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Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by Nobody: 3:00pm On Oct 30, 2014
OAM4J:


whose duty is it to make that pronouncement?

PDP or Jonathan or IG or the Court?
Which court declared Tambuwal speaker? Should we also wait for the courts before police arrests armed robbers?

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Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by blym4real: 3:00pm On Oct 30, 2014
EbolaParasite:


The position of SPEAKER of the house is different from being a GOVERNOR. A GOVERNOR IS ELECTED by the people.
A member of the house is also elected by the people BUT the position of SPEAKER is elected by members of the house through a MAJORITY VOTE. The majority house decides the SPEAKER BECAUSE OF THEIR MAJORITY. Is this shait really that hard to comprehend.
I swear if anybody tries to compare a decamping Governor or other party members again, i go VEX OO
PDP asks court to remove defecting
governors
DECEMBER 12, 2013 BY IHUOMA CHIEDOZIE,
ABUJA
The Peoples Democratic Party has asked an
Abuja Federal High Court to sack the five
governors who defected to the All Progressives
Congress.
The governors are Alhaji Murtala Nyako
(Adamawa), Rotimi Amaechi (Rivers), Aliyu
Wamakko (Sokoto), Rabiu Kwankwaso (Kano)
and Abdulfatai Ahmed (Kwara).
The Independent National Electoral
Commission was listed as a defendant
alongside the governors in the suit filed on
behalf of the PDP by Alex Izinyon, SAN.
PDP argued that the governors should be
sacked from office on the ground that, because
of their defection, they have forfeited their
offices, which, as a result, have reverted to the
party.
In the event that the five governors are sacked
from office, PDP wants the court to order the
deputy governor or speaker of the state Houses
of Assembly of the affected states, or any
officer next in rank, who is still its member, to
assume the office of governor.
PDP is asking the court for several reliefs,
among which is a declaration that by the
combined provisions of sections 177 (c), 221
and 222 (c) of the 1999 Constitution, the five
governors, who were elected under its platform,
cannot continue to enjoy the mandate given to
it (PDP) by the people/electorate of the
concerned states as they (governors) have
defected to another political party.
The court was equally asked to make a
declaration that in the absence of any division
in the PDP, the five governors have vacated or
forfeited their seats upon their defection to the
APC.
Also, the Abuja FHC was asked to make a
declaration that, by the combined provisions of
sections 87 of the Electoral Act 2011 (as
amended), and sections 177 (c), 221 and 222 (c)
of the 1999 Constitution, the offices of the
defected governors have reverted to the PDP.
In the same vein, the court was asked to make
a declaration that, by the combined provisions
of sections 177 (c), 221 and 222 (c) of the 1999
Constitution, upon the defection of the five
governors, the mandate reverts to the deputy
governor or speaker of the state houses of
assembly of the respective states or any officer
next in rank who is still a member of the PDP.

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Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by gateleo(m): 3:01pm On Oct 30, 2014
Who gave Tambuwal the speakership mandate? PDP or the opposition members of the House. Tambuwal was never the candidate of the PDP. The PDP wanted Mulikat Akande, while the opposition and majority of the PDP members voted for Tambuwal. We should go back and check this fact before coming here again.
The procedure of electing principal members at the Legislature is NOT based on party affiliation. The "standing order" only says that members "shall elect among themselves". No mention was made about which party to elect from.

This is impunity in the highest order. Is the police the court to interprets the constitution? Is the IG lackey of the pdp?. Tambuwal is still the speaker of the house of rep. Read the provisions of the constitution on the removal of speaker. This matter is still in court. Jonathan should be very very careful

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Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by Nobody: 3:02pm On Oct 30, 2014
BOAR:


It says

'' In the case of the House of Representatives, the Speaker of that House shall preside, and in his absence the Deputy Speaker shall preside''

The intent of those that drafted the constitution in their wisdom is not that the Deputy Speaker takes over the Speaker seat by reason of vacation of office, but by absence of the Speaker

Who are you? A mind reader?how did you know their intents
Tambuwal is no longer a member of the HOR. Section 53 subsection 2 is very clear on what should be done under the circumstances

Until a substantive speaker is appointed by the House, Tambuwal to all intent and purpose remains the Speaker.
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by blym4real: 3:03pm On Oct 30, 2014
EbolaParasite:


Were they SPEAKERS?
Learn to read.
Your ignorance is alarming
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by Montaque(m): 3:04pm On Oct 30, 2014
blym4real:

PDP asks court to remove defecting
governors
DECEMBER 12, 2013 BY IHUOMA CHIEDOZIE,
ABUJA
The Peoples Democratic Party has asked an
Abuja Federal High Court to sack the five
governors who defected to the All Progressives
Congress.
The governors are Alhaji Murtala Nyako
(Adamawa), Rotimi Amaechi (Rivers), Aliyu
Wamakko (Sokoto), Rabiu Kwankwaso (Kano)
and Abdulfatai Ahmed (Kwara).
The Independent National Electoral
Commission was listed as a defendant
alongside the governors in the suit filed on
behalf of the PDP by Alex Izinyon, SAN.
PDP argued that the governors should be
sacked from office on the ground that, because
of their defection, they have forfeited their
offices, which, as a result, have reverted to the
party.
In the event that the five governors are sacked
from office, PDP wants the court to order the
deputy governor or speaker of the state Houses
of Assembly of the affected states, or any
officer next in rank, who is still its member, to
assume the office of governor.
PDP is asking the court for several reliefs,
among which is a declaration that by the
combined provisions of sections 177 (c), 221
and 222 (c) of the 1999 Constitution, the five
governors, who were elected under its platform,
cannot continue to enjoy the mandate given to
it (PDP) by the people/electorate of the
concerned states as they (governors) have
defected to another political party.
The court was equally asked to make a
declaration that in the absence of any division
in the PDP, the five governors have vacated or
forfeited their seats upon their defection to the
APC.
Also, the Abuja FHC was asked to make a
declaration that, by the combined provisions of
sections 87 of the Electoral Act 2011 (as
amended), and sections 177 (c), 221 and 222 (c)
of the 1999 Constitution, the offices of the
defected governors have reverted to the PDP.
In the same vein, the court was asked to make
a declaration that, by the combined provisions
of sections 177 (c), 221 and 222 (c) of the 1999
Constitution, upon the defection of the five
governors, the mandate reverts to the deputy
governor or speaker of the state houses of
assembly of the respective states or any officer
next in rank who is still a member of the PDP.
yes the case was instituted,but what was the decision on it? The sections they relied upon is nebulous. That cannot be compared to the clear provisions that a member of parliament stand disqualified as as such if he defects without just cause.there is no similar provision for the Governors in the CFRN. Its a lacuna and Its still to be decided by the court. Please dont make the comparism, TAmbuwal as far as the constitution is concerned is no longer a member of the house,irrespective of the case in court for the Governors that defected.

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Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by amobii: 3:05pm On Oct 30, 2014
publisher:


Why are people like u so silly?
The constitution is silent on defection by Governors but very specific on defections by federal legislators.

where is that constitutions you are talking about, what about state house of assembly, does that still apply to them.

your father is silly, useless PDP warriors.
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by Deapexboy(m): 3:06pm On Oct 30, 2014
This is why PDP can not progress,Police in nigeria wil never be respected.

Which of constitution give's d president and d IG d Impetus to deploy d speaker security men?

Av GEJ and IG turn to court or lawmakers?

Did section 68(g) of d consitution state dat IG should depoly his(speaker) securite men?

IG and GEJ dey are high,jealous is taking over dem....

Let follow dis law

Under Section 50(2)(c) of the 1999 Constitution (as amended), a presiding officer of the National Assembly can only be impeached if two-thirds of the members approve it.

Wen did PDP cover upto two-third of the hux, wen dey av less dan 200 members?

Beside his fomer party(PDP) av divisions in dia part.even in his state....so his defect to APC is legaly right

Wen dem dy do GDI..dem dn forget?

Quote me to say rubbish and face forever madness

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Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by BOAR: 3:06pm On Oct 30, 2014
chukwudi44:
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You are not a competent person to interpret the law.

There are instances a member can switch party and still retains his membership, such as the presence of factions in the party, in which instance the Speaker is hinging his decision to leave PDP.

PDP should prove that PDP in Sokoto is not factionalized.
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by hardywaltz(m): 3:09pm On Oct 30, 2014
sukpehi:
Which part of the constitution can I find this 3/4
It's called House Rules as empowered by section 60 if the CFR as amended.

The house rules governs the rules of the house an fills voids by the constitution.
The house rules is used by the likes of David Mark to retain his position as Senate President coz the House Rule states that eligibility to contest for Senate Presidency or Speakership shall be for the most senior returning senator or legislator. So in the next parliament if Mark and Chukwumerije return they only will be eligible to contest the Senate Presidency.
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by Montaque(m): 3:10pm On Oct 30, 2014
Toktee:
Is because of people like you that we are where we ar as a nation,do u mean to said mimiko do nt come to power under a political party?
its rather because GEJ is not strict on the rule of law that we are arguing. If you have ought against mimiko's defection,ask the PDP to go to court. This one of tambuwal doesnt need court action,its a law that needs no activation. Hon. Tambuwal defects without lawful excuse,he is ceases to be a MP.Simple,it is as if an MP died on seat,the membership seat becomes vacant,thats the law.
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by ElDeeVee(m): 3:10pm On Oct 30, 2014
yorke1:
Thats good to know that his security details has been withdrawn. He is no longer the speaker!!!
Naija politricks
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by blym4real: 3:13pm On Oct 30, 2014
Montaque:
yes the case was instituted,but what was the decision on it? The sections they relied upon is nebulous. That cannot be compared to the clear provisions that a member of parliament stand disqualified as as such if he defects without just cause.there is no similar provision for the Governors in the CFRN. Its a lacuna and Its still to be decided by the court. Please dont make the comparism, TAmbuwal as far as the constitution is concerned is no longer a member of the house,irrespective of the case in court for the Governors that defected.
If you will interpret the constitution correctly sir all the members that have decamped must also vacate their sit.
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by Montaque(m): 3:14pm On Oct 30, 2014
BOAR:


You are not a competent person to interpret the law.

There are instances a member can switch party and still retains his membership, such as the presence of factions in the party, in which instance the Speaker is hinging his decision to leave PDP.

PDP should prove that PDP in Sokoto is not factionalized.
please stop this PDP sokoto crisis. The constitution envisaged a political party not a state branch. Moreso,the defecting member must defect to a break-away faction of the original party or a new party formed through a merger of the original party and another one. What is happening in Sokoto has no political consequence.
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by CrinkumCrankum: 3:14pm On Oct 30, 2014
Iamdagreatguy:
Nonsense!!! Arrant Nonsense,
This IGP is just taking laws into his hand,,has the house impeached himhas the court declared his seat vacant,,,why can't the same thing be done to Olusegun Mimiko of Ondo who recently decamped to PDP.
One of the reason I don't like this PDP's government.
GEJ was my candidate in 2011,,time to correct my mistake.
Btw,wat does the constitution quoted says,,,the second paragraph gives room to decamp bt only on the ground that there is conflict or faction in d party.
Presently in sokoto there is faction in PDP,,,so why is the IGP taking laws into his own hands?

Dumby...Governors have Immunity and the law only apply to HoA.....
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by gabicon: 3:15pm On Oct 30, 2014
This is the genesis of our problems when public servants who ought to act as professionals tow the line of politics. When did the police begin to interprete our laws for us? Has our judiciary gotten so useless? I think GEJ needs be careful about all these escapades cos it will definately come around back. I personally believe he will win the 2015 election but these same PDP cronies will have nothing to prove to him again or need anything from him and that will be were his problems will start, these same people pushing tooth and nail for him. We can see how the ministers used him as a platform to launch themselves into main stream gubernatorial candidates people who have acquired experience in office and are surpose to stay on to make him succeed now he has to get people to start from scratch.
PDP needs to learn to not waste resources fighting fruitless battles, the speaker and house can do little or nothing productive with the time left. 3 months to election which will be used for campaigns and so on. why not save the ace for something better?

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Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by okzcorp: 3:15pm On Oct 30, 2014
When I read posts and try to analyse the comments, all I see is that our POLITICiANS have succeeded in pitting us against each other.

Their fights are now our fights and their quarrels are now ours.

We borrowed the practice of democracy but forgot to collect a detailed manual of how it should be effectively implemented.
We practice politics of Propangadacrazy, defamation, witchhunt,do or die etc.

I look forward to comments based on pure reasoning without bias. Posts purely based on facts and sound evidence. We can do it and we are going to do so.
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by EbolaParasite: 3:16pm On Oct 30, 2014
BOAR:


You are not a competent person to interpret the law.

There are instances a member can switch party and still retains his membership, such as the presence of factions in the party, in which instance the Speaker is hinging his decision to leave PDP.

PDP should prove that PDP in Sokoto is not factionalized.

You can not leave a party and retain position as SPEAKER. The only way you can do that is if the party you are defecting to is now the Majority. Until then, you lose your position as Speaker
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by BOAR: 3:17pm On Oct 30, 2014
Montaque:
please stop this PDP sokoto crisis. The constitution envisaged a political party not a state branch. Moreso,the defecting member must defect to a break-away faction of the original party or a new party formed through a merger of the original party and another one. What is happening in Sokoto has no political consequence.

That is purely your interpretation.

The Speaker has interpreted it in a different manner, the court should be final arbiter.

The problem is that the Military messed up the country laws, these are issues that should have been tested long time ago in Nigeria and proper interpretation gotten from the Courts.
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by EbolaParasite: 3:18pm On Oct 30, 2014
blym4real:
If you will interpret the constitution correctly sir all the members that have decamped must also vacate their sit.

Are you ok? Can't you read.
This is about position as speaker. If you defect, you do not lose your position. What he is losing in this case is his position as SPEAKER and not as a member of the house. Is it so hard for you to comprehend. How did you pass WAEC?
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by CrinkumCrankum: 3:18pm On Oct 30, 2014
arsetalks:
[b]So the IG has the power to determine he is no longer the speaker? [/b]Since when did he cease to be the speaker of the house? It is a shame that we have a president in this nation but people like the IG and Fayose are allowed to get away with things they should ordinarily not get away with if we have a sane man as president.

Pls Tell me which Agency or force has the power to enforce the constitution again undecided undecided undecided

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Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by BOAR: 3:19pm On Oct 30, 2014
EbolaParasite:


You can not leave a party and retain position as SPEAKER. The only way you can do that is if the party you are defecting to is now the Majority. Until then, you lose your position as Speaker

That is left for the members to decide, they make their own rules.
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by Nobody: 3:19pm On Oct 30, 2014
hardywaltz:
The function of the Police is not to interpret the provisions of the Constitution, that is the exclusive preserve of the Judiciary.
That said the section which the Forces Public Relations officer quoted has to do with Tambuwal's eligibility as a legislator which is a matter currently before the courts.

In the eyes of the law Tambuwal is the substantive speaker of the house until he has been removed in accordance with the provisions of the CFR as amended.

However if PDP is confident that they control the votes of the house, let the Deputy Speaker Emeka Ihedioha reconvene the house; (3/4) members need to sign the notice of extra - ordinary meeting and 2/3 majority is needed to form a qurom. And formally commence impeachment proceedings against the Speaker.

PDP knows it can't muster the needed votes so they have resorted to self help which is equivalent to Jungle justice.

You forget you are in Nigeria. Wait until $1 billion is shared amongst them; each person $2million and ranking members 2.5$million and see how they will impeach Tambuwal within 24 hrs with the 3/4 needed; not even 24 hrs, in 1 hr. No be Naija we dey. My emphasis in dollar...this people don't play with dollar!

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Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by Montaque(m): 3:19pm On Oct 30, 2014
blym4real:
If you will interpret the constitution correctly sir all the members that have decamped must also vacate their sit.
yes,thats the law,tho heavens fall. There are exceptions though,so it may not apply to all of them.
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by BOAR: 3:19pm On Oct 30, 2014
EbolaParasite:


Are you ok? Can't you read.
This is about position as speaker. If you defect, you do not lose your position. What he is losing in this case is his position as SPEAKER and not as a member of the house. Is it so hard for you to comprehend. How did you pass WAEC?

You are very wrong.
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by hardywaltz(m): 3:21pm On Oct 30, 2014
new2020:


You forget you are in Nigeria. Wait until $1 billion is shared amongst them; each person $2million and ranking members 2.5$million and see how they will impeaach Tambuwal within 24 hrs; not even 24 hrs, in 1 hr. No be Naija we dey. My emphasis in dollar...this is people don't play with dollar!
Ok we don hear...
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by EbolaParasite: 3:21pm On Oct 30, 2014
BOAR:


That is left for the members to decided, they make their own rules.

The majority party you mean? Which in this case is the PDP.
You have a Speaker (majority party) and a minority leader. If he wants he can become minority leader in his new party but to say he will retain his position as Speaker is ridiculous
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by Temptee101(m): 3:21pm On Oct 30, 2014
okazuu:
let me ask a question why will a minority still be a speaker when their are still majority in the house he should just do the needful and save all this news about him.
I vowed not to comment on this again because i was getting fed up with the recent shameful happenings in nigeria untill i came across your post. I needed to enlighten you where probably you lost it. There is nowhere in the constitution where it was stipulated that the speaker house of reps must/should come from the majority, though the speaker if he was a man of integrity ought to have resigned honourably but as usual this is Naija and we are talking about our ever greedy power drunk corrupt politicians, i'm not surprised. Removing the speaker would only be possible if and only if 2/3 of the majority of the house vote in favour of that. Its true the PDP is of the majority but they dont make up to 2/3 of the majority. At it stands PDP is handicapped here, they need to lobby other members who are of the opposition to get their votes. You can agree with me that it will be easier for the head of a camel to pass through the mouth of needle than for the opposition members to be in support of it. Let me stop here. Am just tried of the set of visionless leaders that we parade.
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by EbolaParasite: 3:21pm On Oct 30, 2014
BOAR:


You are very wrong.

Kindly explain
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by CrinkumCrankum: 3:21pm On Oct 30, 2014
amobii:
wonder why Gov. Mimiko, does not vacate his seat or IG withdrawing the security, and some state assembly in the state. The constitution is only meant for opposition parties not for PDP, well it's getting closer and people are getting wiser with their game, time will tell for revolution.

You should ASK amaechi of Rivers state is still there...let me help you, Governors have immunity, the reason HoA want to remove it
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by Bcole: 3:22pm On Oct 30, 2014
Read both sections and read word for word mr chukwudi if there were no special provisions for the speaker his deputy and senate president and deputy as well it won't be stated there...section 52 for leaders of the house while 68 is for 'members'

chukwudi44:


Ode go and read section 68 and come back here and tell me what you found
Re: Why Tambuwal's Security Was Withdrawn: He's No Longer The Speaker by BOAR: 3:23pm On Oct 30, 2014
EbolaParasite:


The majority party you mean? Which in this case is the PDP.
You have a Speaker (majority party) and a minority leader. If he wants he can become minority leader in his new party but to say he will retain his position as Speaker is ridiculous

We had a precedent in the past.

Besides, only an election can determine which party is majority or not. If PDP thinks it control the house, why not go for outright impeachment, why doing a back door maneuver?

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