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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:07pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
ActivateKruger: Use your brain like an adult. Nobody knows means people in public dont know their numbers, the few top level defense officials know, and they are not here on Nairaland joking forum to waste their time with your type. Fool ![]() ![]() . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Centrifude(m): 2:11pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
*I need help* I can see that I've been Mentioned on other peoples posts, but I can't open them or reply, I can only comment on the ones I wasn't mention on. Is there something I can do to fix this? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:21pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
agaugust: The British army that the missile was produced for, says officially and authoritatively that the maximum Starstreak I missile ceiling is only 1km, your private website is referring to starstreak II which even the British are still trying to get into full service as at now 2014. SANDF is fvcking around with version I at 1km max ceiling, worst expensive missile in Africa. Nope, that website I quoted specifically says Starstreak 1 furthermore, Starstreak is VSHORAD The Uhmkonto GBAD's will be in service shortly. So, we have better VSHORAD (its so good it competes with your GBADS) And we will have better GBADS Game. Over. DENEL built dual purpose gun at home, show me source that you bought the CRAM ammunition made in Sweden or Germany, I need SIPRI source that proves you imported the CRAM ammo, show me now !!! Dont have to, the source has allready shown that it uses AHEAD ammo. And SIPRI does not list ammunition transfers. Finally, Rheinmettal has a factory in South Africa - we build the ammunition ourselves ![]() Okay, then because Bofors guns use 60km range artillery shells, then Nigeria also has it as ammunition for our 73 Bofors FH-77B, right ? Nope, max range ammunition for the FH-77B is only 30km Ammunition in the Swedish Army order included the locally developed HEER projectile, developed to meet the requirements of the Indian Army which, when used with charge 9, has a range of 30,000 m. HEER-BB (High Explosive Extended-Range - Base Bleed) was included in the order and the FH-77B could also use ammunition already stockpiled by the Swedish Army. http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html And you dont have the FH-77B The equation does not balance because your 3rd world 1970's army cannot rival the SANDF in any way, shape or form. Case closed |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:21pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
agaugust: You dont have an argument any more. If there are no known numbers. Then you cannot say you have something, because if we dont know you dont know. Only say you have what you can prove you have. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:25pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
[size=15pt]The tri-nation naval exercise Ibsamar is now in full swing following a week’s preparation and briefings in Simon’s Town. With the exception of the South African Navy’s Type 209 submarine SAS Manthatisi, all vessels taking part in the exercise departed harbour yesterday with flying exercises by a 22 Squadron Super Lynx and boat launching and Officer of the Watch manoeuvres done while participating ships were steaming to a designated point ahead of a night steam. Today the Brazilian, Indian and South African surface ships taking part will exercise defence against air attacks. 2 Squadron and its Gripens have been tasked to “attack” the Indian frigate INS Teg, the SA Navy fleet headquarters in Simon’s town confirmed. It did not indicate how many of the Swedish-built fast jets would take part in the exercise. Live firing, search and rescue and vertical replenishment exercises are also planned for today with a dry run of a replenishment at sea (RAS) set for tomorrow along with a boarding operation. This will see aircraft locate a vessel of interest (one of either the Brazilian, Indian or South African warships), feed the necessary intelligence back to boarding parties, followed by an actual boarding exercise. While steaming to Saldanha, the Ibsamar flotilla will be put under co-ordinated aircraft attacks and the rotary-winged component of the exercise will conduct flying operations and various maritime specific drills.[/size] Dont mind us, just the SAN doing things that the Nigerian Navy could only dream of doing. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:27pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
[size=15pt]"Mighty" Nigerian Navy still unable to secure their Waters!! No wonder the SAN has had to put plans in place to police their waters for them!![/size] Pirates have launched a spate of attacks in the creeks of Nigeria's oil-producing Niger Delta region since last Thursday, killing three policemen and abducting at least nine people, security officials said. Most of those kidnapped were local workers in Africa's biggest oil industry, where piracy in the surrounding waterways and seas is on the rise again after a brief lull, bucking a global trend that has seen pirate attacks fall elsewhere. In the most recent attack, gunmen on a boat opened fire on police escorting a barge operated by Italian oil company ENI along the Santa Barbara River, killing three policeman. "Sea pirates attacked and killed three of our men. They were escorting an Agip (ENI) barge when they were attacked. We have recovered their bodies and the gunboat," police commissioner for Bayelsa state Valentine Ntomchukwu said by telephone. Piracy and kidnapping are expected to increase further as Nigeria prepares for an election next February, intelligence experts say. This is because elections increase the demand for funding, which some politicians obtain through their links with criminal networks. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 4:03pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
agaugust: According to your adult brain, no one means someone. #Alodo |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 4:06pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
ActivateKruger: They put up the same Nigerian customs ads in South Africa |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 4:07pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
Msauza: Because the fall of Nigerian cities to BH is not even newsworthy anymore. No longer a shock. But when the NA kills terrorists...now there's a shock worthy of headlines! ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 4:39pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
DieVluit:how foolish can you get?,so in your mind mubi is a city?*scoffs*,let me educate you,moment before the attack,the NA troops withrew from mubi{it was most likely due to covert intelligence},hours later boko haram fighters came into mubi,with minimal resistance.then,in a few hours later the airforce base at yola begins operation and dispersed figher jets that are enroute adamawa state.what does that sound like to you?,these terrorists are been drawn out into the open so as to maximize the impact of their firepower against them and minimize civilian casualties,do your shallow memory remember that last week the DHQ ordered all army personnel to stand down,and cease-fire?,a faction of boko haram didnt honour the cease-fire and they are causing havoc,duh?.unlike dumb SANDF,NA do strategize. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by SWATIRSA(m): 4:55pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
nigerians will always try to compete with South Africa sadly you are not in our league
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 5:17pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
EVarn: You have zero respect for gramma, I simply loose appetite to even answer you. City or no city, it's another human settlement that now belongs to Boko Haram courtesy of the Nigerian Armed Forces. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 5:20pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
DieVluit: Opportunity to post junk mail while Naija burns in the hands of the mighty Boko Haram. Boko Haram = 10 Nigerian Armed Forces = 0 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 6:11pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
Just to clear things up, India doesn't operate the FH-77 B05 L52 howitzer. The contract to supply India with the artillery pieces was canceled. The FH-77 B05 L52 was proposed alongside many other pieces like Denel's T6-52. It was a response to India's RFP(request for proposal). No country operates it!!!!
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 6:17pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
MikeCZAR: SAVED!!! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 7:20pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
ActivateKruger:why cant your brain{however tiny it is} process common sense at all,no part of nigeria belongs to terrorists.yes they may temporarily occupy a tiny part now,but they will eventually be put to rout.as for the typing errors,i was in a rush while typing this morning because i was very busy today,some of us have a life outside NL y'know. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 10:41pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
EVarn: buhahahahah..... Mubi Town belongs to Boko Haram I love it when the article says "Nigerian troops fleed". I give Boko Haram 10/10 for attack strategy execution. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:44am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Patchesagain: LOL, Game On ![]() ![]() Deagel website is known for posting wrong data, it says Nigeria has 12 MBB 339 CD the 4th generation jet upgrade... "In July 2006, Alenia Aermacchi and the Nigerian Ministry of Defense signed a maintenance and avionics upgrade contract on behalf of 12 MB-339A aircraft. The contract was valued at $84 million and will see the Nigerian airplanes upgraded in two six-aircraft batches." http://www.deagel.com/Trainers-and-Light-Attack-Aircraft/MB-339A_a000696001.aspx The final authority is the British army that uses the missile, Deagel is not the army that uses them and has none of the missiles, the missile owners, the British that sold it to you say Starstreak I has max ceiling 1km.... http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/23273.aspx Do you see the photo below from my source? The copyright says 2014 Crown Copyright, means the Queen of England, British government final authority, the Royal crown, approves the content of the website of the British National army as authentic and factual. So your British masters are telling the whole world that the Starstreak I missile they built and sold to South Africa has maximum ceiling of 1,000 meters = 1km only. Worst missile in Africa ![]() ![]() SANDF has the worst air defense in Africa, Togo republic will mass R.ape soweto army with Alpha jets ![]() ![]() .
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:52am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Patchesagain: Case open ![]() ![]() Until you show me SIPRI database of AHEAD ammo or a source that says SANDF ordered and paid for AHEAD ammo, you don't have it and you will never have it until you buy, it is European made. SANDF has ZERO CRAM capability today. FACT ! [size=14pt] Nigeria has Bofors FH-77B.....that has ruined the whole long story you posted above, completely ruined your argument.[/size] ![]() ![]() Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1980 to 2013 Note: The ‘No. delivered/produced’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available. Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database Information generated: 31 October 2014 Supplier/ Year Year(s) No. recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/ or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments Sweden R: Nigeria (48) FH-77 155mm Towed gun 1982 1983-1985 (48) FH-77B version http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php Now you see how you post falsehood and garbage on this forum ? Nigeria has FH-77B version of Bofors artillery, and were delivered up to 1985, not the 1978 you quoted. Fool ![]() ![]() India followed Nigeria with the same Bofors FH-77B in 1986, same artillery gun Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database Information generated: 31 October 2014 Supplier/ Year Year(s) No. recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/ or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments Sweden L: India 114 FH-77 155mm Towed gun (2013) FH-77B version; selected but contract not yet signed R: India 410 FH-77 155mm Towed gun 1986 1986-1991 (410) $1.6 b deal; planned production of more in India cancelled http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php The Indian army says and proves in the video below, that Bofors FH-77B artillery has 42km range.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaK1jFg8JBE [size=14pt] Nigeria and India both have Bofors FH-77B artillery with 42km range.... Confirmed in the above video Now case closed ![]() ![]() .[/size] 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by postmann: 2:19am On Oct 31, 2014 |
ActivateKruger:And you my friend is a military glory-thief. Don't push out words your intelligence cannot support, my boy. I'll tell you what I always tell blacksouthafricans : you went to school a little too old and too late. China even at this minute is still "relatively" a paper tiger. What'd they teach you in Zululand? Southafricans are as alien to facts as life is to Jupiter. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by postmann: 2:29am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Patchesagain:shut up, Lousy. We all know you're an official liar. You manipulate figures and facts 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by postmann: 2:33am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Patchesagain:Thief, Southafrica is a frigging 3rd world country. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by postmann: 2:43am On Oct 31, 2014 |
DieVluit:my best bet is still that your purpose in coming to Nigeria was to visit the synagogue to get rid of your demons of loss of shame, lies, lack of logic and stupidity. I know you're just passing time out here on Nairaland until the coast is cleared, then your demonds can be exorcised. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:51am On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust: First, no one gives a sh1t about TRAINERS Second, the British use an older version of the Starstreak Third, we have the most complex air defence network in Africa Fourth, no african countries have munitions they can drop from above 1km altitude\ Fith, we have Gripen Sixth, Starstreak 1 can hit any target below 5000m for a range of 6km http://www.deagel.com/Surface-to-Air-Missiles/Starstreak_a001059001.aspx Show us where it says that we got the same missiles as the United Kingdom |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by postmann: 2:51am On Oct 31, 2014 |
DieVluit:"down and out" , those where the words of the source, not mine. So you can learn to live with it. Henry120 is your e-murderer. He murderd you here. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:56am On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust: [size=15pt]First, you said Nigeria has the FH-77 B05 L52 - now you confirm you were telling lies to us? Second, maximum range for the Fh-77B is 30km So now two of your lies have been exposed!!! [/size] Ammunition in the Swedish Army order included the locally developed HEER projectile, developed to meet the requirements of the Indian Army which, when used with charge 9, has a range of 30,000 m. HEER-BB (High Explosive Extended-Range - Base Bleed) was included in the order and the FH-77B could also use ammunition already stockpiled by the Swedish Army. http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:08am On Oct 31, 2014 |
agaugust: HAHAHAH!?! Is that your source? an unknown man in a video? Ok, ,here are my sources: 30km max range http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html 30km max range http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/fh-77.htm 30km range http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/fh-77.htm 30km range (even wiki is correct for once) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haubits_FH77 And this 30km range is only achieved by advanced Swedeish base-bleed ammunition, which Nigeria does not use. So its actual operational range in the Nigerian army is around 20-25km Take your lame duck, short range artillery elsewhere. The big boys are playing
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:00am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Patchesagain: All your sources above are crap written by civilians. The best source of any weapons data is the army that uses it, the video is official from Indian army, both India and Nigeria are proved by SIPRI to have Bofors FH-77B and the Indian army says it's range is 42km with base bleed, and Nigeria has it, SIPRI does not record ammunition sales or shells sales. Same way South African army official website says you have G-5 and G-6 artillery with max range 39km, so Nigeria CLEARLY out-ranges South Africa, your SANDF is the small boy that makes photos of short range artillery with over-rated pedigree. Same way British army source on Starstreak missile says SANDF has the 1km max ceiling foolish missile, worst in Africa. No military source ever said SANDF ordered AHEAD ammo for CRAM, so you don't have it. All your claims are just another Mokopa ATGM scandal ![]() ![]() ![]() . . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:04am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Patchesagain: Show us a source that the British built older version for the Queen's royal army, champions of NATO, and built a newer version for Zuma's army, victims of Seleka. You want to be greater than your master the Englanders that ruled you with iron fist and Nigeria + OAU had to rescue you and Mandela ? Starstreak I is Starstreak I and it does not have two types under version I, I is I. The British army and government is final authority. Live with it, your new 'Mokopa' lie is hereby demolished ![]() ![]() ![]() . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:06am On Oct 31, 2014 |
Patchesagain: Army guide said it, not me, I posted the website source here over 20 times. However, I take the Indian army official evidence as final, and SIPRI backs it up. Nigeria has FH-77B, the extra B05 L52 is irrelevant, all I care about is the range of 42km that beats SANDF flat to the canvas with a punch in the right eye....TECHNICAL KNOCKOUT ![]() ![]() ![]() . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 5:07am On Oct 31, 2014 |
SA soldiers ambushed in Sudan Published: Today, 5:00 AM Source: SAPA Big image Johannesburg - Two SA National Defence Force soldiers deployed as part of a UN/African Union peacekeeping force in Sudan have been wounded in an ambush near their base, the SANDF said on Thursday. "The injured soldiers were airlifted by helicopter to the hospital in El Fashir shortly after the ambush. The two members are in a critical but stable condition in the UN hospital," said Captain Jaco Theunissen. He said two other soldiers sustained minor injuries during the ambush. The ambush took place at approximately 12:35 on Wednesday when a section of 4 SA Infantry Battalion, who had to fetch water from a nearby waterhole in Kutum, came under fire from a suspected rebel group. "Had it not been for the swift reaction, high standard of alertness and vigilance of the SANDF members, it could have been a different story," said the battalion commander, Lieutenant Colonel Andries Matlaila. Matlaila said the training his troops received in South Africa prior to the deployment, coupled with the equipment they used, played a pivotal role in repelling the attack. The rebel group, whose intentions were unknown, were forced to withdraw due to the outstanding retaliation by the South Africans, he said. This attack followed similar attacks earlier on Ethiopian and Tanzanian forces, in the vicinity of Korma, about 20km away from the South African deployments near Kutum base, in the Northern Darfur region of Sudan. The incident happened at a time when the Sudanese people were preparing for their national elections scheduled for April or May next year, which the SANDF as part of the peacekeeping force would be required to support. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:12am On Oct 31, 2014 |
DieVluit: You want me to post how Sudan's armed robbers robbed South African army and stripped SANDF of weapons and body armour? SANDF army officers crawled like terrified cockroaches back to base in boxer shorts ![]() ![]() . 1 Like
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