vooks:

Ok sir, let's wait.

Allow me to ask you, do you believe tha Holy Spirit manifests in ways different from what is recorded in the scriptures?

My answer to your question is Yes. The Holy Spirit can manifest in any way He chooses so long as it does not contradict the written Word of God. Let me give an example. A woman shared a testimony. She and her husband did not have a child for the first 15 years of marriage. Then, she asked her husband to let her go to their annual church program alone, although the husband had been there with her in previous years. She wanted to pray uninhibited by what anybody thought about her. While at the meeting, she rolled on the floor over and over again. She was asking God to remove her reproach. Now, let's say it's the Holy Spirit that told her to roll on the dirty floor. Let's also assume that her problem had been self-righteousness and she had to come to a point where she realized that God would be doing the miracle, not because she was a good girl who had been a committed christian, but because God is good. Rolling on the floor may help her catch the point of humility. She got her miracle and not only did she have a child shortly after, but last time I saw her (this year), she was pregnant with a second. Some of you'd ridicule her experience and claim that God could not have told her to do so because God never told anybody to do so in the NT. That's your cup of tea, but you cannot post ONE scripture that supports your position.

Regarding the accuser-of-the-brethren wannabe, you may have to wait for a while for him to respond to his allegation that Hagin claimed to be an Apostle. It appears the guy has a low Integrity Quotient. Not only did his silence on the Eve story demonstrate it, but he also showed his true character during the deleted WOF thread. There, he accused Hagin of writing something. I told him that was not possible since Hagin was dead AFTER the date he calimed he wrote it. He kept quiet on that. When I saw him making other posts on that same thread, I reminded him of the falsehood he passed across.

What was his response? That he did not correct his erreneous statement because he had chosen earlier not to be responding to my posts. Can you imagine such nonsense? I told him he did not need to respond to me to correct it, as he can do so in a fresh post, not quoting or addressing me. I excoriated him for placing his personal feelings or decisions above the TRUTH and his obligation to ensure that his readers were not fed the wrong information.

You can see why I hardly take some of you critics seriously. The people you criticize have more integrity in their pinky finger than some of you have in your whole body!

WinsomeX:


No I don't. I don't owe you an answer. I saw your earlier post asking the same thing and I was beginning to wonder if you have comprehension troubles or something. I have explained to you why it is personal to me and non of your business. What's there in it you don't understand? Pls come to whatever conclusion you wish, it doesn't bother me. I am not WoF and I don't flaunt experiences around. The scriptures are sufficient.

If there's any comprehension problem, it's from your side, not mine. You said you're following Paul's example. I understood that and showed you how you were NOT following Paul's example. You're free not to respond, but to claim there's a comprehension issue here is laughable.

Indeed, I have come to my conclusion: you guys attack spiritual experiences because you hardly have any. The cure as recommended earlier is to get closer to the Holy Spirit and you'll see the difference. Claiming that you read the Bible is not sufficient. Even non-christians do. What makes the difference is how the Holy Spirit provides illumination as we read the Word.

shdemidemi:


Yes, I have always said it was God the father for the Old Testament administration(This entire programme pointed Israel to the son), the Son for the four gospels (He came to His own but they rejected Him) and now the Spirit for the mystical body of Christ(He also points us to the son).

Sorry, can't elaborate at the minute...

Thank you for making your position clear. Coming from you that's neither WOF nor Pentecostal, that is significant. Because some people would claim that it is a WOF invention. Which is what they prefer to do instead of discussing the substance.

nlMediator:


My answer to your question is Yes. The Holy Spirit can manifest in any way He chooses so long as it does not contradict the written Word of God. Let me give an example. A woman shared a testimony. She and her husband did not have a child for the first 15 years of marriage. Then, she asked her husband to let her go to their annual church program alone, although the husband had been there with her in previous years. She wanted to pray uninhibited by what anybody thought about her. While at the meeting, she rolled on the floor over and over again. She was asking God to remove her reproach. Now, let's say it's the Holy Spirit that told her to roll on the dirty floor. Let's also assume that her problem had been self-righteousness and she had to come to a point where she realized that God would be doing the miracle, not because she was a good girl who had been a committed christian, but because God is good. Rolling on the floor may help her catch the point of humility. She got her miracle and not only did she have a child shortly after, but last time I saw her (this year), she was pregnant with a second. Some of you'd ridicule her experience and claim that God could not have told her to do so because God never told anybody to do so in the NT. That's your cup of tea, but you cannot post ONE scripture that supports your position.

So many assumptions up there, I call assumptions the lowest and weakest form of obtaining information. If the lady got what God gave her because He is good, what has rolling on the floor and her words got to do with what she got?

Should we start teaching a doctrine of rolling on the floor and other works you 'assumed' this woman did to get her baby?

Even if you assume what she did worked for her, would the same formula work for another christian with a similar challenge?

shdemidemi:



The Holy Spirit intercedes on our behalf and the Son intercedes on our behalf to the Father, that is all tat matter. Why you think the Holy Spirit needs me to act uncanny or unearthly for God to pray is beyond me.

My question which none of you have answered so far is how does the Holy Spirit groan, you heard vooks aka shdemidemi use the word intercession there because it appeals to logic. I may agree on intercession, but How does the Holy Spirit do it since He is not outside but in believers. While i am sleeping the the Holy Spirit is groaning, while i am walking ,eating, and doing other things the Holy Spirit keeps groaning, come off it, you can do better.

Bidam:
My question which none of you have answered so far is how does the Holy Spirit groan, you heard vooks aka shdemidemi use the word intercession there because it appeals to logic. I may agree on intercession,[size=16pt] but How does the Holy Spirit do it since He is not outside but in believers[/size].

Are you sure?

Bidam:

While i am sleeping the the Holy Spirit is groaning, while i am walking ,eating, and doing other things the Holy Spirit keeps groaning

Yes, that is what the Spirit does.

[quote author=shdemidemi post=27782621]

Are you sure?

Yes, can you answer the question?

Yes, that is what the Spirit do

Do you have ONE scripture to back up this error?

nlMediator:

Indeed, I have come to my conclusion: you guys attack spiritual experiences because you hardly have any. The cure as recommended earlier is to get closer to the Holy Spirit and you'll see the difference. Claiming that you read the Bible is not sufficient. Even non-christians do. What makes the difference is how the Holy Spirit provides illumination as we read the Word.

And when the Holy Spirit provides illumination, such illumination will come through experiences? That's the root of deception of the Word of Faith. You won't admit it but WoF considers experiences and the supernatural more authoritative than the bible. If this is not so, why this preoccupation with experiences? Or whether someone has had an experience or not?

It's difficult for you to accept it but there remains nothing like an experience of laughing in the Spirit. Those who have such experience were not found in scripture but in the occult world.

WinsomeX:

And when the Holy Spirit provides illumination, such illumination will come through experiences? That's the root of deception of the Word of Faith. You won't admit it but WoF considers experiences and the supernatural more authoritative than the bible. If this is not so, why this preoccupation with experiences? Or whether someone has had an experience or not?
It's difficult for you to accept it but there remains nothing like an experience of laughing in the Spirit. Those who have such experience were not found in scripture but in the occult world.

There is nothing to admit. WOF does NOT place experiences above the Word of God. What you seem to mistake is the fact that something present cannot be hidden for long. If you have Jesus or the Holy Spirit, it will manifest one way or another. If somebody keeps on talking about how rich he is, but nothing in their life suggests wealth - bank accounts, charity, dressing, residence, etc - won't you be suspicious of the claim?

Bidam:
Yes, can you answer the question?

Is the spirit omnipresent?

Bidam:

Do you have ONE scripture to back up this error? shocked

King James Bible phil 2:13a
For it is God which worketh in you

Who does the work in us through the influence of the Spirit?

It is not a joint work like some may allude, The Spirit of God is at work 24 hours of everyday in us.

shdemidemi:

So many assumptions up there, I call assumptions the lowest and weakest form of obtaining information. If the lady got what God gave her because He is good, what has rolling on the floor and her words got to do with what she got?

Should we start teaching a doctrine of rolling on the floor and other works you 'assumed' this woman did to get her baby?

Even if you assume what she did worked for her, would the same formula work for another christian with a similar challenge?

I suggest you read the post again. ALl your questions were answered there. But to make it easier, let me answer again:

1. She got it AFTER rolling on the floor. So, your question is irrelevant. It's not like God gave her a baby, but she said "No, God, I must roll on the floor first to obtain it."

2. There's no doctrine there to teach. She had a spiritual experience that is contradicted nowhere in the Bible.

3. It may or may not work for another christian. Every christian should stay close to the Holy Spirit to hear His instructions about what to do in a given situation. That's what Jesus did, which showed the diversity of His approaches. A major reason the NT is different from the OT is that OT folks had everything written for them, because they did not have the kind of heart that can receive God's instructions. But God said in the NT, He will give His children a new heart, a heart of flesh, so He can lead them more personally. Then, He said the Holy Spirit to accomplish that.

That's why those that despise experiences with the Holy Spirit are likely christians living far below their privileges in Christ. They're living at OT level.

nlMediator:

If somebody keeps on talking about how rich he is, but nothing in their life suggests wealth - bank accounts, charity, dressing, residence, etc - won't you be suspicious of the claim?

[size=20pt]REALLY!!![/size]

The yardstick to measure who speaks the truth of God's word has been reduced to bank accounts,residence et al.

Isn't this the same thing Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar thought about Job? Since you are in so much 'problems', God can't be with you, in fact you must have offended God.

shdemidemi:


[size=20pt]REALLY!!![/size]

The yardstick to measure who speaks the truth of God's word has been reduced to bank accounts,residence et al.

Isn't this the same thing Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar thought about Job? Since you are in so much 'problems', God can't be with you, in fact you must have offended God.

Brother, you're off your game today. Is everything Ok?

Where did I say that the bank account, etc analogy is about the truth of God's Word? I was using a natural phenomenon to illustrate my point. Lord!

[quote author=shdemidemi post=27783387]

Is the spirit omnipresent?

Yes, inside 2.1 billion Christians world wide means that.

King James Bible phil 2:13a
For it is God which worketh in you

Who does the work in us through the influence of the Spirit?

It is not a joint work like some may allude, The Spirit of God is at work 24 hours of everyday in us

Stop quoting half verses in your half hearted attempt to justify error. You mean the Spirit is at work in a believer who steals, lies and fornicates 24hrs everyday?

nlMediator:


I suggest you read the post again.

Just did

nlMediator:

1. She got it AFTER rolling on the floor. So, your question is irrelevant. It's not like God gave her a baby, but she said "No, God, I must roll on the floor first to obtain it."

How did you come to the conclusion that 'rolling on the floor' is connected to what God did for her?

nlMediator:

2. There's no doctrine there to teach. She had a spiritual experience that is contradicted nowhere in the Bible.

Isn't that what we are saying! If this is not a doctrine, it means it can be wrong. It cannot be completely trusted. It cannot be used generically by christians like the Word. It might fail the next time she tries the same trick.

nlMediator:

3. It may or may not work for another christian.

If I light up a piece of paper with fire ten times, it burns ten times. What is the point sharing a testimony of what I did to get something if it will not benefit the entire body and if it cannot be tested by God's word.

Men have the propensity and tendencies to tell others what they did to attract God's mercy. The next man or woman that listens to this woman will most likely try to adopt the 'rolling on the floor' stunt to also attract God. Guess what, if by coincidence it works for another person, they might turn 'rolling on the floor' their dogma regardless of what scripture says about God's providence.

nlMediator:

That's why those that despise experiences with the Holy Spirit are likely christians living far below their privileges in Christ. They're living at OT level.

Experiences are personal, unique to every individual. It is not worth sharing by teachers of the Word or within the church as testimony cos its a subtle way of introducing what man can do or what a man did to get something from God.

The Word of God is complete and full, personal experiences outside the book should stay personal.

nlMediator:


Brother, you're off your game today. Is everything Ok?

Where did I say that the bank account, etc analogy is about the truth of God's Word? I was using a natural phenomenon to illustrate my point. Lord!

I feared the worse when I saw that, thank God it was an analogy. Though, I still don't think visible proofs or experiences are are yardsticks for measuring spirituality.

I am really sorry for misquoting you.

shdemidemi:


You tend to think of yourself more highly than you ought to. [s]One will almost think Mba gives relevance to the body of Christ and not the other way round. Don't be overtly wise in your conceit my friend, you are a learner of the Word, regardless of the depth of God's knowledge you think you have acquired, He reveals Himself in deeper dimensions to every man which makes it impossible to exhaust God's word[/s].

No I don't think of myself more highly than I ought to. It is not also my fault if anyone does not have the same understanding of the word of God that I do.

he word used in greek is 'sunantilambano' meaning 'to take a share in, help in bearing, to help in general'. Where did you get your joint-help rendition from?

Don't be desperate to win an argument, it adds nothing to you or the Church. This is what that part of scripture says-

Rom 8a
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities- 'helpeth' here does not mean a joint-help like you tried to make it.

'infirmity' here means our inability to produce results.

You know what happened the last time you claimed I didn't translate a word well. Let me go slower again.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/8-26.htm

http://biblehub.com/greek/sunantilambanetai_4878.htm

http://biblehub.com/thayers/4878.htm

Hope these links are clear enough? Now please study properly.

nlMediator:


There is nothing to admit. WOF does NOT place experiences above the Word of God. What you seem to mistake is the fact that something present cannot be hidden for long. If you have Jesus or the Holy Spirit, it will manifest one way or another. If somebody keeps on talking about how rich he is, but nothing in their life suggests wealth - bank accounts, charity, dressing, residence, etc - won't you be suspicious of the claim?

And the way it manifests itself is through experiences? Sign and wonders; miracles; breakthroughs; etc. My friend: the Just shall live by faith and not experiences.

There are many sincere Christian people who will live and die not having experienced a thing and they are soundly God's people who will have greater rewards than some who seem to glory in demons they cast out, miracles they did; alas the Master saith I knew you not, you workers of iniquity.

Why did Paul in all epistles extol the faith, hope and love of the saints; why did he not extol their experiences? It was bc experiences are not what have value before God. You want experiences? Satan will give you plenty.

I am grateful to God for revealing his Son to me, the one I follow daily by faith. Dying to myself and living to him. Endeavoring to walk in holiness and a way worthy of the gospel.

I have had pleasant experiences in my walk with Jesus. Saved at the height of sin; to serve the living God. Blessed with the best family on earth. Called to ministry to serve the living God. Endured great suffering for my testimony in Christ both in the church and in the world. Daily looking unto Jesus the author and the finisher of my faith. Pleasant experiences I tell you.

But all of that I count as dung, only that I may know him, partaking in the fellowship of his sufferings that somehow I might attain to a glorious resurrection to receive the only commendation worth it all: well done good and faithful servant.

That's all the experience I have and all the experience I need. Faith is enough; I am complete in Christ!

shdemidemi:


My friend, you asked for a verse to back what I said about the Spirit's role as an advocate/intercessor. I gave you a verse that the Holy Spirit is not alone in this, The Son also act as an advocate for believers with God. I expected you to admit they both work as advocates for believers at least.

Hope you remember the thread where I mentioned 7 of the Holy Spirit's role in the life of the believer. I am asking again so you would know that I may not learn anything new on his roles, as I know all of them like the back of my palm. Now you said the verse in 1John was similar to that in Romans 8:26 and I said they are not because I knew where you were heading to. You tried to insinuate that the Holy Spirit is acting on his own in doing the intercession like Jesus is but that is not what the scriptures said. In 1 John, the bible said Jesus is advocating for the WHOLE world WITH God but in Romans 8 the bible says the Holy Spirit is in BELIEVERS ALONE advocating for us TO GOD. Hope you can spot the very clear disparities.

As for the argument of Jesus is with God, I said the Holy Spirit is in us just like God is in us and the son is in us. We have got these three persons working constantly on our behalf. These three constantly take counsel within the godhead, we don't need to know how these spirit beings go about these things in their realm. All we can do is believe because the book say so.

Let me rattle your theology again: Jesus and the Father are not in the Christian, they are SEATED in Heaven. The ONLY person scripture told us will be in us is the HOLY SPIRIT. Part of his roles is to make the presence of the son and father to be real to us. He is the one who takes from their presence and situates it in the spirit of believers. When people learn to understand the role of the Holy spirit and his person, some of these confusions would be put to rest. A little hint would be when Jesus said ". . .I go to my father. . ." and then later he said "My father in me, he doeth the works". Certainly, Jesus cannot be ascending to his father in him. The one whom he described as the father in him is the HOLY SPIRIT- the one who proceeds from the father.

The Holy Spirit intercedes on our behalf and the Son intercedes on our behalf to the Father, that is all tat matter. Why you think the Holy Spirit needs me to act uncanny or unearthly for God to pray is beyond me

Alas the confusion. The son is not interceding to God, God is in the son. The presence of the son is the proof of intercession for the WHOLE OF MANKIND. But the Holy spirit intercedes for the church through the church. He does not stand on his own to do so. It is an insult to his person to suggest that he is working without us- that would mean he is doing a terrible job. The reason for many of the things going on in the church today is because of people's neglect of the person of the Holy Spirit.


Acts 4:29-31Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

29 `And now, Lord, look upon their threatenings, and grant to Thy servants with all freedom to speak Thy word,
30 in the stretching forth of Thy hand, for healing, and signs, and wonders, to come to pass through the name of Thy holy child Jesus.'
31 And they having prayed, the place was shaken in which they were gathered together, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and were speaking the word of God with freedom,

The disciples prayed to God to stretch his OWN hands to heal, show signs and perform wonders. The bible says suddenly they were filled with the HOLY SPIRIT. So how did he [the holy spirit] perform the miracles? On his own? Let us see the scriptures:

Acts 5:12Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
12 And through the hands of the apostles came many signs and wonders among the people, and they were with one accord all in the porch of Solomon;

The Holy spirit does not act on his own. He uses believers to act. That's why he came to dwell in us to amongst other things, help us. Please take your time to study properly and know him.

mbaemeka:


No I don't think of myself more highly than I ought to. It is not also my fault if anyone does not have the same understanding of the word of God that I do.

Even this statement is one of an inflated self evaluation.

mbaemeka:

You know what happened the last time you claimed I didn't translate a word well. Let me go slower again.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/8-26.htm

http://biblehub.com/greek/sunantilambanetai_4878.htm

http://biblehub.com/thayers/4878.htm

Hope these links are clear enough? Now please study properly.

ok.. I just checked the links-

The first link used a greek word- synantilambanetai. The word used in Rom 8:26 isn't that but sunantilambano or sunantilambanomai


The second link gave the 'INT version' interpretation of the word.

The third one seem the most valid and it supports what I have told you earlier.-

STRONGS NT 4878: συναντιλαμβάνομαι

συναντιλαμβάνομαι; 2 aorist middle subjunctive 3 person singular συναντιλάβηται; to lay hold along with, to strife to obtain with others, help in obtaining (τῆς ἐλευθερίας, Diodorus 14, ; to take hold with another (who is laboring), hence, universally, to help: τίνι, one, Luke 10:40; Romans 8:26 (Psalm 88:22 (); Exodus 18:22; Josephus, anti. 4, 8, 4).

mbaemeka:


Hope you remember the thread where I mentioned 7 of the Holy Spirit's role in the life of the believer. I am asking again so you would know that I may not learn anything new on his roles, as I know all of them like the back of my palm. Now you said the verse in 1John was similar to that in Romans 8:26 and I said they are not because I knew where you were heading to. You tried to insinuate that the Holy Spirit is acting on his own in doing the intercession like Jesus is but that is not what the scriptures said. In 1 John, the bible said Jesus is advocating for the WHOLE world WITH God but in Romans 8 the bible says the Holy Spirit is in BELIEVERS ALONE advocating for us TO GOD. Hope you can spot the very clear disparities.

How can you say Jesus is advocating for an unsaved world? An unbeliever can only be a part of Jesus when he accept and believe the gospel of Christ. Before that is done, they are condemned.

mbaemeka:

Let me rattle your theology again: .

Bro, get off your high horse, even the disciples and Apostles that walked with Jesus were not this vain.

mbaemeka:

Jesus and the Father are not in the Christian, they are SEATED in Heaven. The ONLY person scripture told us will be in us is the HOLY SPIRIT. Part of his roles is to make the presence of the son and father to be real to us. He is the one who takes from their presence and situates it in the spirit of believers. When people learn to understand the role of the Holy spirit and his person, some of these confusions would be put to rest. A little hint would be when Jesus said ". . .I go to my father. . ." and then later he said "My father in me, he doeth the works". Certainly, Jesus cannot be ascending to his father in him. The one whom he described as the father in him is the HOLY SPIRIT- the one who proceeds from the father.

Well, I won't employ your condescending approach to reply this post in as much as I am tempted to. God is in me, He lives in me, just like Christ is in me in the person of the Holy Spirit.

mbaemeka:

Alas the confusion. The son is not interceding to God, God is in the son. The presence of the son is the proof of intercession for the WHOLE OF MANKIND. But the Holy spirit intercedes for the church through the church. He does not stand on his own to do so. It is an insult to his person to suggest that he is working without us- that would mean he is doing a terrible job.

Are you confused?

What does it mean to intercede?

shdemidemi:


1) He doesn't call the unbelieving world his children. It's the believing element that is being addressed

2)We're going to sin! You might as well admit it rather than the 'adult christian mentality' you would like to depict.

1 John 2 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
2 My little children, these things I write to you, that ye may not sin: and if any one may sin, an advocate we have with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one,
2 and he -- he is a propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world,

Read your bible well.

12 I write to you, little children, because the sins have been forgiven you through his name;
13 I write to you, fathers, because ye have known him who [is] from the beginning; I write to you, young men, because ye have overcome the evil.

3 groups of people he addressed and these are not physical demarcations but spiritual as one can see what is expected of them all.

1 John 3 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
9 every one who hath been begotten of God, sin he doth not, because his seed in him doth remain, and he is not able to sin, because of God he hath been begotten.

Tell John that everybody must sin.

He was not speaking to babes but all believers Mba. He made mention of the world to make it clear that the salvation story isn't just limited to a specific group but for the entire world if they believe.
1 john 2

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours(believers) only, but also for the sins of the whole world(caveat: belief).

Please read up. No need belaboring clear scriptures.

Have you visited the heavens to see what and how things work there? Please stay within what we have been told rather than try explain mysteries that are beyond us.

The joke is on you. I am quoting scriptures. If every christian will do that without pushing all behind or to the future

shdemidemi:


Even this statement is one of an inflated self evaluation.

OK.

STRONGS NT 4878: συναντιλαμβάνομαι

συναντιλαμβάνομαι; 2 aorist middle subjunctive 3 person singular συναντιλάβηται; to lay hold along with, to strife to obtain with others, help in obtaining (τῆς ἐλευθερίας, Diodorus 14, cool; to take hold with another (who is laboring), hence, universally, to help: τίνι, one, Luke 10:40; Romans 8:26 (Psalm 88:22 (); Exodus 18:22; Josephus, anti. 4, 8, 4).

Hope you can see that there is an ALONG WITH, WITH OTHERS, WITH ANOTHER and not ONE PERSON DOING EVERYTHING? Let me spare you of not knowing that it depicts a joint help.

Bidam:
Yes, inside 2.1 billion Christians world wide means that.

He is every where Bidam, He is God's Spirit sir.

Bidam:

Stop quoting half verses in your half hearted attempt to justify error. You mean the Spirit is at work in a believer who steals, lies and fornicates 24hrs everyday? angry

Bro, it is very possible that a spirit filled christian lie, steal, or fornicate. You and I will do the same or more if we stay away from God's Word. Guess what Paul told a carnal Corinthian church-
1 cor 1
5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;

6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

God is faithful, it is man that constantly fail God by the choices we make.

Apostle Paul warned and beseeched the church to become transformed. That call is a major call for all believers because if we do not get transformed by God's word, we will definitely conform (copy the world/ think the same way they think).

It must be said that we are all a work in progress, we all need a transformation in relative areas of our lives. I might not steal, I might not lie, my own weakness or the part where I conform with the world might be jealousy. No one can see that sort of sin but it is a sin all the same and I will definitely need a transformation in that area.

shdemidemi:


How can you say Jesus is advocating for an unsaved world? An unbeliever can only be a part of Jesus when he accept and believe the gospel of Christ. Before that is done, they are condemned.

The same way he Mediates for MANKIND.

1 Timothy 2 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
5 for one [is] God, one also [is] mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus

I explained how Jesus advocates for the whole world (after quoting the scriptures). He is not in heaven begging God for sinners. His presence in heaven is his duty as an advocate and a mediator. He is there to prove that all men are already forgiven. But this truth will not be actualized until they believe in the Gospel.

shdemidemi:


Bro, get off your high horse, even the disciples and Apostles that walked with Jesus were not this vain.



Well, I won't employ your condescending approach to reply this post in as much as I am tempted to. God is in me, He lives in me, just like Christ is in me in the person of the Holy Spirit.

OK

shdemidemi:


Are you confused?

What does it mean to intercede?

One of the roles of the Holy spirit is that he is a standby. How will he do that? Hint: like a standby Generator- he switches on when we switch off in weakness etc.
One of the roles of the Holy spirit is that he is a teacher. How will he teach us? Externally or from within?

That's the same way he intercedes.

mbaemeka:


1 John 2 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
2 My little children, these things I write to you, that ye may not sin: and if any one may sin, an advocate we have with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one,
2 and he -- he is a propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world,

Read your bible well.

12 I write to you, little children, because the sins have been forgiven you through his name;
13 I write to you, fathers, because ye have known him who [is] from the beginning; I write to you, young men, because ye have overcome the evil.

3 groups of people he addressed and these are not physical demarcations but spiritual as one can see what is expected of them all.

1 John 3 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
9 every one who hath been begotten of God, sin he doth not, because his seed in him doth remain, and he is not able to sin, because of God he hath been begotten.

Why do you just jumble everything together?

'Children' as used in verse 1 and verse 13 of 1 john 2 is a term of affection teachers use when addressing their disciples. Peter and the rest of the disciples were not literally kids when Jesus called them children. Paul call believers children as well, regardless of the size of their spirituality.

mbaemeka:

Tell John that everybody must sin.

Do you sin?

John knew a bit of how impossible this is hence he made this conditional statement- 'And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous':

mbaemeka:


One of the roles of the Holy spirit is that he is a standby. How will he do that? Hint: like a standby Generator- he switches on when we switch off in weakness etc.
One of the roles of the Holy spirit is that he is a teacher. How will he teach us? Externally or from within?

That's the same way he intercedes.

Forget the role of the Spirit for a second. What does it mean to intercede?

mbaemeka:


The same way he Mediates for MANKIND.

1 Timothy 2 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
5 for one [is] God, one also [is] mediator of God and of men, the man Christ Jesus

I explained how Jesus advocates for the whole world (after quoting the scriptures). He is not in heaven begging God for sinners. His presence in heaven is his duty as an advocate and a mediator. He is there to prove that all men are already forgiven. But this truth will not be actualized until they believe in the Gospel.

Don't confuse yourself sir.

If it is yet to be actualised, then they can't partake in what Jesus did or what He is doing or what He will yet do. The privilege is for those under the blood of the lamb and not those under the authority of the devil.