Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 9:35pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
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Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by iceberylin(m): 9:35pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
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Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by cap28: 9:43pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Nigerian Pastors Fleece Believers USA-Style: Bishop David Oyedepo Owns a Gulfstream Jet and Several BMWs
October 16, 2014 by Terry Firma
Nigeria has long been known as the home country of countless Internet scammers, but Reuters reminds us that some of the country’s megachurch pastors have devised their own get-rich-quick schemes modeled after shining U.S. examples like Benny Hinn, Paul Crouch, and Jim Bakker.
Some of the churches can hold more than 200,000 worshippers and, with their attendant business empires, they constitute a significant section of the economy, employing tens of thousands of people and raking in tourist dollars, as well as exporting Christianity globally. …
[TB] Joshua draws miracle-seekers from all over the world with claims that the holy water he has blessed cures otherwise incurable ailments such as HIV/AIDS.
And Ebola!
We see giving as the only way to be blessed. Blessing other people is a way of keeping the blessings flowing,” said [David] Oyedepo (pictured), whose blessings include a Gulfstream V jet and several BMWs.
The untaxed prosperity and typical lack of accountability are ruffling some feathers.
“They don’t submit accounts to anybody,” says Bismarck Rewane, economist and CEO of Lagos consultancy Financial Derivatives. “At least six church leaders have private jets, so they have money. How much? No one really knows.” … As the churches have charity status, they have no obligation to open their books, and certainly don’t have to fill in tax returns — an exemption that is increasingly controversial in Nigeria, where poverty remains pervasive despite the oil riches.
The pastors argue their charity work should exempt them. “We use the income of the church to build schools, we use the income of the church to serve the needs of the poor,” David Oyedepo, bishop of the popular Winners Chapel, told Reuters in an interview. “These are non-profit organizations.”
In a country where the average worker pulls in about ten dollars a day, Nigeria’s megachurch pastors are financially fortunate indeed.
In 2011, Forbes magazine estimated the fortunes of Nigeria’s five richest pastors. Oyedepo topped the list, with an estimated net worth of $150 million. He was followed by “Pastor Chris” Oyakhilome of Believers’ LoveWorld Incorporated, also known as the Christ Embassy and popular with executives and politicians, [who has] $30 million to $50 million.
A former banker at Nigeria’s United Bank for Africa, who declined to be named, recalled being approached five years ago by a church that was bringing in $5 million a week [$260 million a year] from contributions at home or abroad. “They wanted to make some pretty big investments: real estate, shares,” he said. “They wanted to issue a bond to borrow, and then use the weekly flows to pay the coupon.” In the end, he said, the bank turned down the proposal on ethical grounds.
Nothing about this obscene wealth-generating machine will change anytime soon.
A national conference to debate Nigeria’s constitution this year proposed that the megachurches should be taxed. But with an election coming up in February, it is debatable whether President Goodluck Jonathan, who is close to several megapastors, would risk upsetting these influential men and their hefty congregations with a fat tax bill.
Neighboring Cameroon, at least, isn’t quite so reluctant. As I wrote a half a year ago, Cameroon’s government has been closing prosperity-gospel churches that “rip off vulnerable people” and are therefore deemed “harmful to society.”
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/10/16/nigerian-pastors-fleece-believers-usa-style-bishop-david-oyedepo-owns-a-gulfstream-jet-and-several-bmws/
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Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Reference(m): 9:50pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
SirShymex:
Lmao...you actually think you're more "Christian" than a country that started Protestantism, which Pentecostalism branched out from. The same country that wrote the King James Version of the Bible, no?
Keep fooling yourself...these folks just see African pulpit pimps for the frauds they're. They know most of them, including the sheeple like you, don't understand the origins and the purpose of the religion. However, they will never let you flip it, and use it as a tool to steal from, or abuse folks out here. That is an unacceptable behaviour. Keep ya religion and chasing witchcraft (medieval tripe) in Africa.
They have already given you lot enough space to keep lying to yourselves in the naija community. What else do you want? Want to spread ya tentacles to schools no one asked for, or start competing with the Church of England? The truth will always emerge. After all the rigmarole the last line says what its really all about. Fear of competition. Period. The Communist Party will do it in China, even the orthodox church in Russia. They attack the individual but what they really fear and target is the ideology, dynamic pentecostalism. It is a real and emerging threat globally to atheism and old order religious establishments. |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 9:51pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
iamord:
What. I am saying is that.. You look at the homosexuals as evil..well nigerians are more evil at heart .. A lot of same se people even contribute more to the economy than the people accusing them and being straight. Land of hyprocrities WHO SAYS NIGERIANS ARE SAINT, HOW DOES THIS ADD TO THE DEBATE. THE DEBATE IS THE WESTERN COUNTRIES SHOULD ALLOW EVERY OTHER COUNTRY PRACTICE THEIR LAWS AND RESPECT THEIR CULTURES ... THATS HUMAN RIGHT , NOT FORCING THEIR LAWS ON SOME OTHER ONES. THEY SEE NOTHING WRONG IN THEIR LAWS BUT ARE QUICK TO PUT SANCTIONS ON ANY COUNTRY THAT REFUSES THEIR LAWS ... IS THAT NOT WORST THAN SLAPPING A " SELF CLAIMED WITCH" . BRO , MAJORITY EMBRACE THESE LAWS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES AND HAVE SEEN THEMSELVES AS A LESSER BEING. |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by adedayourt(m): 9:57pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
LORDI: Black black sheep,have you any wool?
Yes sir Yes sir Three bags full |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 9:59pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
ChokolateBoss:
This is the most sensible comment I've seen so far. No one is even saying anything about d girl that was abused in front of thousands, instead they are all throwing verbal missiles and baring their ignorance. Smh for we blacks.
Even d topic of d thread is very misleading and d gullible brain-washed ones are here defending d pastor and raining abuses on BBC. The OP just used a catchy headline (purposely or out of ignorance) to attract readers and those who cannot read btw d lines are exposing their level of dumbfuckery.
U gullible nigerians need to understand that d mentality of d average westerner is far different from that of a nigerian. U don't just physically abuse a vulnerable girl in front of thousands. They don't take that kinda bullshittt. Westerners are far more intellectually enlightened than many mentally enslaved brainless nigerians who cannot think for themselves. The UK frowns on a church that espouses belief in witchcraft as one of its basic tenets; not just mere belief but carrying out actions that are contrary to reason, human conscience and d legal system.
A lot of d inhumane treatment we mete out to people all in d name of "witchcraft suspicion" can only happen here because of our low mentality.
Here in Nigeria (and other low-mentality african countries), people can be brutalized, beaten to death or even burnt alive because some imbeciles think they're witches/wizards. Wtf! Here in Nigeria, u'll see some kids being starved or detained in churches, whipped and harassed until they confess to being witches. If a family brings a child (to be used as househelps of course) from d village to town and anything dares go wrong in d family, aha! Na winch oooooo! If an old woman looks at u in funny way, she's a witch. Here in naija, people will construct kiosks and call them churches. In one street alone u can see up to 20 churches all blaring unbearable noise from their giant speakers and when u complain of d noise, u're a witch or agent of satan. In a compound where u're not d only tenant, u'll host noisy casting n binding prayer sessions and if another tenant dares complain, na winch. Naija is a lawless entity with little regards for d social/physical/psychological welfare of its citizens and that's why all these nonsense can happen with no one giving a fuqq.
A western pastor/priest/man of God cannot try that nonsense that Oyedepo did. He did that because he has d mentality of a typical Nigerian. Some of u who support anything done by anyone who brands himself as a man of God need to realize that its d westerners that brought this same Christianity to us and they are not all immoral/irreligious atheists. SINCE YOU BELIEVE SO MUCH IN THE WESTERNER AND THE BLACKS ARER MENTALLY ENSLAVED LIKE YOU SAID .... HAVE YOU BOTHERED TO ASK YOURSELF WHY THESE COUNTRIES YOU PRAISE ARE VERY QUICK TO SANCTION ANY COUNTRY THAT OPPOSED THEIR LAWS. IF THEY WERE MENTALLY SOUND AS YOU CLAIM , WOULD THEY HAVE TAKEN A BLACK MAN AS SLAVE BEFORE NOW. IF THEY SO MUCH LOVE THE HUMAN RACE , WOULD RACISM STILL EXIST. WAKE UP ... YOU ARE AFRICAN , YOU ARE AFRICAN ..... YOUR THINKING IS WHAT MAKES YOU DIFFERENT , STOP TRYING TO UPGRADE YOUR THINKING TO THAT OF A WHITE MAN . MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF YOUR THINKING LIKE THEY MADE SOMETHING OUT OF THEIRS 1 Like |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by troy20(m): 10:00pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
majekdom2: ONLY IF MAJORITY OF AFRICANS CAN UNDERSTAND THIS ... AFRICA WOULD CHANGE ITS STATE. but you have to be a christian first.sadly you arnt even one. |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 10:04pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
troy20:
but you have to be a christian first.sadly you arnt even one. what makes you think , am not one , because I said I will shoot the guy . peter cut the ears of one of those guys that came to take jesus .... even as jesus performed a miracle by putting the ears back , he was still taken . am human just like peter. |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Reference(m): 10:06pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
ChokolateBoss:
This is the most sensible comment I've seen so far. No one is even saying anything about d girl that was abused in front of thousands, instead they are all throwing verbal missiles and baring their ignorance. Smh for we blacks.
Even d topic of d thread is very misleading and d gullible brain-washed ones are here defending d pastor and raining abuses on BBC. The OP just used a catchy headline (purposely or out of ignorance) to attract readers and those who cannot read btw d lines are exposing their level of dumbfuckery.
U gullible nigerians need to understand that d mentality of d average westerner is far different from that of a nigerian. U don't just physically abuse a vulnerable girl in front of thousands. They don't take that kinda bullshittt. Westerners are far more intellectually enlightened than many mentally enslaved brainless nigerians who cannot think for themselves. The UK frowns on a church that espouses belief in witchcraft as one of its basic tenets; not just mere belief but carrying out actions that are contrary to reason, human conscience and d legal system.
A lot of d inhumane treatment we mete out to people all in d name of "witchcraft suspicion" can only happen here because of our low mentality.
Here in Nigeria (and other low-mentality african countries), people can be brutalized, beaten to death or even burnt alive because some imbeciles think they're witches/wizards. Wtf! Here in Nigeria, u'll see some kids being starved or detained in churches, whipped and harassed until they confess to being witches. If a family brings a child (to be used as househelps of course) from d village to town and anything dares go wrong in d family, aha! Na winch oooooo! If an old woman looks at u in funny way, she's a witch. Here in naija, people will construct kiosks and call them churches. In one street alone u can see up to 20 churches all blaring unbearable noise from their giant speakers and when u complain of d noise, u're a witch or agent of satan. In a compound where u're not d only tenant, u'll host noisy casting n binding prayer sessions and if another tenant dares complain, na winch. Naija is a lawless entity with little regards for d social/physical/psychological welfare of its citizens and that's why all these nonsense can happen with no one giving a fuqq.
A western pastor/priest/man of God cannot try that nonsense that Oyedepo did. He did that because he has d mentality of a typical Nigerian. Some of u who support anything done by anyone who brands himself as a man of God need to realize that its d westerners that brought this same Christianity to us and they are not all immoral/irreligious atheists. And what has happened to the church where HUNDREDS of sexual abuse cases involving minors lasting decades and only being revealed lately globally including by British based priests. Who is serving time. Which church has been penalised, barred or has its permit to run schools revoked. None. Why. Because it is the establishment church. This on the other hand is a foreign invader. Full gospel pentecostalism does not sit with the topic of witchcraft. Certainly it is out there but what is being referred to here is scriptural. Disobedience 'is as' grave as the practice of witchcraft. Oyedepo did not write that. King James did. |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 10:06pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
nora544: I feel more that he want the school for his son because the UK govermand had also the hand over his church money in UK.
With this school he could help his rich friend to bring money every month legaly to UK this rich pastors or so called God of man are also the problem that corruption is at this high level in nigeria.
He is a business man and not more and no one of this rich pastors is a real man of God they are all man made God of man and one is better to keep his business than the other.
This little girl she is still a child need no slap from him but his love but love is a word that nigerian pastors didnot know. she aint no child , she had fully developed breast ... if you meet a woman who claims she is a thief for jesus what would you do ? |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 10:07pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
How does building Schools in Nigeria, and UK, relate to spreading the gospel? |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 10:07pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
donmalcolm21: . I don't think we are on same page here, I'm talking about the way the Brits treats Nigerians and u are taking it to my person. I'm sorry I've got nothing to tell you again, I thought we are arguing objectively. I'm sorry once again I won't reply your post. this dude argues off point..... I wonder how he thinks. |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by shamson: 10:08pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
enimcnite: i will not use my mouth to criticize or judge a man of God....i just dey observe! ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) Please has God sent a revelation on that.Anyone is free to name himself/herself whatever.man of God indeed |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 10:09pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
fireforfire:
He may not hv forced dem, but he may have manipulated dem . the same way the west wants to manipulate countries into gay marriages in the name of human right and when this is not working they put sanctions ... which is worst ? slapping someone and punishing someone because he wished to hold his law. |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 10:16pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
majekdom2: the same way the west wants to manipulate countries into gay marriages in the name of human right and when this is not working they put sanctions ... which is worst ? slapping someone and punishing someone because he wished to hold his law. Can't u think on your own? If u understand why he shouldn't slap a young lady, then u would understand why 2 grown men sleeping wit each other is non of ur biz. Read the concepts of Rights. Witout it u ar bt a slave. 1 Like |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Wisedata(m): 10:17pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Eighty percent of all dis coments realy knows d negative impacts of bishop david oyedepo. Dat shows dat he isn't a good fellow. Naso God go dey expose dos pastors dat uses metaphysical juju or mammiwater power to operate lying to Nigerians under d umbrella of christianity nd Jesus christ. Nigeria wake up. |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 10:19pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Reference:
The truth will always emerge. After all the rigmarole the last line says what its really all about. Fear of competition. Period. The Communist Party will do it in China, even the orthodox church in Russia. They attack the individual but what they really fear and target is the ideology, dynamic pentecostalism. It is a real and emerging threat globally to atheism and old order religious establishments. Pentecostalism isn't a threat to the traditional Churches cos no matter their reach, they're not part of the state. So basically they have no power apart from the self-anointed Pastors who are just out there to enrich themselves, at the expense of the gullible folks. The witchcraft thing is just so medieval, and most of the traditional Churches stopped it from the mid-century to the like 18th century. So why are Pentecostal Churches so big on it now? Also, the miracle thing is just make-believe. How many times has Derren Brown exposed all these African miracle pastors on channel 4? Folks can see through the fraud. |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 10:19pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
popcykaylah:
see this one ..lesbian or no lesbian them better pass una in everything ..they have less resources as a country but yet we crave to enter the UK ..their country is in peace while out country is in chaos ..our business man pastor thinks he can use his business strategy to catch em baa?ko le work mehn this is simply the mentality of a sick assylum seeker. its people like you that crave to enter uk ... not every nigerian . it is people like you that sees a white man as better than him , thats why you can do dishes for him . when you are deligent in your business you will stand tall . when the same westerner you are praising sees you got something upstairs , he will leanr from you .... change ur mentality. |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by troy20(m): 10:20pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
majekdom2: what makes you think , am not one , because I said I will shoot the guy . peter cut the ears of one of those guys that came to take jesus .... even as jesus performed a miracle by putting the ears back , he was still taken . am human just like peter. really? so you are human afterall.while then he-who-must-not-be-mentioned is a god.you are not a christian. |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 10:22pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
iamord:
Your head dey there
Spot on bro
exactly what am saying
They are fighting against that influence
Cos they don't want to bring up brainwashed and inferior minded kids. Like what we have manufactured here inferior kids you say go chec out the products of his institutions . |
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Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 10:27pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Pyrrho: Can't u think on your own? If u understand why he shouldn't slap a young lady, then u would understand why 2 grown men sleeping wit each other is non of ur biz. Read the concepts of Rights. Witout it u ar bt a slave. oh come on , you are so dumb to get my point ... my point is dont try to judge a man when you can also be judged . you should watch fareed zakari gps program of last week on CNN page where a young american made it clear , they are a problem to the world . |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Reference(m): 10:29pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
chamboy: Can Anyone please Tell me The Reward of A Born again Christian Is it to be wealthy on Earth or To Make Heaven...... Both. The full gospel makes it clear. 'brethren, I wish.... that thou prosper and be in health even as thy soul prospers'. Practically speaking Abraham was acknowledged to be in the bosom of God. Before he died Abraham was exceedingly rich materially. Read Genesis 12 forward. The key here is not to let material stuff master and rule you. God tested Abraham and found he was willing to let go. That is the right attitude. Our wealth is meant to serve the needs, to bless others. But take this from me today. If you 'walk' with God you will become extremely rich whether you like it or not. The problem is always us, our mentality, our reliability, our objectivity. God gives abundantly. I am a witness. I hardly preach, I am not a pastor. I just do what he says and he blesses me. So its not a matter of one person scamming the other. Most of what I have I never ask for and I don't buy much but I just get a lot of stuff....and I'm not that friendly either. God is real. 2 Likes |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 10:31pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
cap28: MASTER SCAMMER OYEDEPO THINKS HE IS DEALING WITH POVERTY STRICKEN, IGNORANT NIGERIANS, MY ADVICE TO HIM AND HIS FELLOW CRIMINALS IS COME TO THE UK AND WATCH HOW FAST THAT YOUR £93M FORTUNE WILL MELT AWAY IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES ON COURT CASES THAT WILL BE BROUGHT AGAINST YOU:
has your presence in UK made you the richest man that makes you call his memebrs poverty stricken ... wake up . these members are the ones your type are working for. |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 10:33pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
ikeugbo: and wise guy like you decide to say that its stupidity well one i have seen is that knowledge aint wisdom its what you do with knowledge that shows wisdom. 130k people aint stupid that i know for sure if you dont have money or work you would not pay tithe its only working people that pay tithe. I dont like dragging such issues and only stated my opinions take it or leave it lets get our heads out of the sand and we would see clearly infact working people that have it in abundance and excess ... majority of the critics are still finding way out of poverty . some of his books should be reconmended n 1 Like |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 10:34pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Bobbystanley: They aren't Far from the truth.
A church where the general Overseer is the richest Pastor in the world with the poor man's offering and have done nothing tangible to give back to the Poor.
The schools he established with the common man's sweat isn't affordable for the poor.
What else do u call Witchcraft? Gbam!! You nailed it once! What happened to the bible verse that says 'Freely ye have received and freely ye shall also give" Oyedepo is the richest Pastor because Nigerians are the most gullible people on earth. Government is not doing anything for the poor, even the church is conning them! Ah o ma she o. The UK has been very objective about our Pastorpreneurs. I shake my head 2 Likes |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Duchaello(f): 10:36pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
enimcnite: i will not use my mouth to criticize or judge a man of God....i just dey observe! ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) Well said! |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by troy20(m): 10:37pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
majekdom2: has your presence in UK made you the richest man that makes you call his memebrs poverty stricken ... wake up . these members are the ones your type are working for. you are not a christian.you dont even radiate it from your comments.how much more your actions.but i know you will think you are. |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 10:39pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
majekdom2: oh come on , you are so dumb to get my point ... my point is dont try to judge a man when you can also be judged . you should watch fareed zakari gps program of last week on BBC page where a young american made it clear , they are a problem to the world . I'm not concerned abt BBC, they wld say anytin to sell news. I'm more concerned abt people who take advantage of others, trample on their rights, take the little they have, in the name of Christ who washed his disciples feet, pray for his killers, gave to the poor, went abt teaching, healing, loving. Yes, he talked of treasures in heaven. According to the bible they preach, he told people to take up their cross (not jets), he didn't amass wealth, neither did Paul, Peter, or John. These Hypocrites are worse than BBC doing bizness as usual. This is my judgement. BBC didn't slap the young girl. Before u quote me again, I am not judging u. 2 Likes |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by Nobody: 10:39pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
troy20:
you are not a christian.you dont even radiate it from your comments.how much more your actions.but i know you will think you are. thank you sir , Mr jesus. I hope to see you in heaven. |
Re: BBC Calls Winners Chapel "Witchcraft Church" by okeke00(m): 10:40pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
iamord:
Hehehe! I came across a pastor like that when I was traveling . He stood in front to preach. Right in front of me. He was just showering me spit .by the time he got of around maza maza I was almost soaked..He spoilt the journey for me so if such person should own a church, what do you think will be his target? |