Gombs:


Dear Lord!

So, God chastises with sicknesses? hmmmm... noted

lol... Anything my brother.. anything.

Some discover God in their sickness, some in prison, anywhere really.

Are you a son or a bastard?

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1 Timothy 4:8 AMP

For physical training is of some value (useful for a little), but godliness (spiritual training) is useful and of value in everything and in every way, for it holds promise for the present life and also for the life which is to come.

Jesus said the Pharisees on that day of Judgement will try to use Moses as their excuse. They would claim that if Moses indeed pointed them out to Jesus they would have believed in him. But Jesus said, Moses will be the one to deny them. He will tell them I told you many times but you didn't listen.

Now Paul is going to say the same things too. From the above verse he has told us how that the gospel will benefit us not only in this present world but in the one to come. Yet some people who claim to be following Paul have claimed that it is greed and love for the world that makes us believe so. Thank God Paul is not saying the same things with them.

How does the gospel benefit anyone in this present world? I thought it was suffer on earth and enjoy in heaven? I thought it was ONLY in heaven that the gospel will benefit us? I thought God was for the past and future while the present was for us to suffer poverty, ill health etc till we enter heaven?

Some gospel this is. I reject it in the name of the lord Jesus. Amen and amen.

mbaemeka:
1 Timothy 4:8 AMP

For physical training is of some value (useful for a little), but godliness (spiritual training) is useful and of value in everything and in every way, for it holds promise for the present life and also for the life which is to come.

Jesus said the Pharisees on that day of Judgement will try to use Moses as their excuse. They would claim that if Moses indeed pointed them out to Jesus they would have believed in him. But Jesus said, Moses will be the one to deny them. He will tell them I told you many times but you didn't listen.

Now Paul is going to say the same things too. From the above verse he has told us how that the gospel will benefit us not only in this present world but in the one to come. Yet some people who claim to be following Paul have claimed that it is greed and love for the world that makes us believe so. Thank God Paul is not saying the same things with them.

How does the gospel benefit anyone in this present world? I thought it was suffer on earth and enjoy in heaven? I thought it was ONLY in heaven that the gospel will benefit us? I thought God was for the past and future while the present was for us to suffer poverty, ill health etc till we enter heaven?

Some gospel this is. I reject it in the name of the lord Jesus. Amen and amen.

Mr Mba, you will need a lot of bible twisting to prove that that bible passage is saying Timothy will have money,perfect health and material wealth as a believer.

Paul was in no way telling Timothy he would have any of such things, in fact Timothy was martyred around AD 97, about thirty years after Paul. Paul got Timothy's mind ready for the service and the afflictions that it attracts.
2 Tim 1
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: [size=26pt]but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel[/size] according to the power of God;

Stop sharing false hopes oooo

^^^^

For Hope to be termed as false, it means the information that was passed to give anyone that hope was false. I quoted scriptures, and I can quote a lot more. Are you saying the scriptures are false?

What benefits will anyone gain in this PRESENT LIFE from the Gospel?

mbaemeka:
^^^^

For Hope to be termed as false, it means the information that was passed to give anyone that hope was false. I quoted scriptures, and I can quote a lot more. Are you saying the scriptures are false?

What benefits will anyone gain in this PRESENT LIFE from the Gospel?

A quoted scripture may be misinterpreted and obviously subsequently misapplied.

A misapplied scripture can give false hope.

mbaemeka:
1 Timothy 4:8 AMP

For physical training is of some value (useful for a little), but godliness (spiritual training) is useful and of value in everything and in every way, for it holds promise for the present life and also for the life which is to come.

Jesus said the Pharisees on that day of Judgement will try to use Moses as their excuse. They would claim that if Moses indeed pointed them out to Jesus they would have believed in him. But Jesus said, Moses will be the one to deny them. He will tell them I told you many times but you didn't listen.

Now Paul is going to say the same things too. From the above verse he has told us how that the gospel will benefit us not only in this present world but in the one to come. Yet some people who claim to be following Paul have claimed that it is greed and love for the world that makes us believe so. Thank God Paul is not saying the same things with them.

How does the gospel benefit anyone in this present world? I thought it was suffer on earth and enjoy in heaven? I thought it was ONLY in heaven that the gospel will benefit us? I thought God was for the past and future while the present was for us to suffer poverty, ill health etc till we enter heaven?

Some gospel this is. I reject it in the name of the lord Jesus. Amen and amen.

God has given to us all things freely to enjoy, ......,.thrnugh his divine power, hath given to us all things that pertaineth to life and Godliness''. My question then is, why should i sow seeds or key into any man's anointing to recieve anything from God?

trustman:

A quoted scripture may be misinterpreted and obviously subsequently misapplied.
A misapplied scripture can give false hope.

I agree. Now the question is, from that verse above, what are the benefits to be gained from this present world? I believe all of us agree that there are benefits in the life to come. But Paul also spoke about the benefits in this present world. That's what I am referring to.

christemmbassey:
God has given to us all things freely to enjoy, ......,.thrnugh his divine power, hath given to us all things that pertaineth to life and Godliness''. My question then is, why should i sow seeds or key into any man's anointing to recieve anything from God?

You don't need to sow into any man's anointing to receive anything from God but the bible still said if you sow you will reap, so one is not amiss to still sow.

mbaemeka:


I agree. Now the question is, from that verse above, what are the benefits to be gained from this present world? I believe all of us agree that there are benefits in the life to come. But Paul also spoke about the benefits in this present world. That's what I am referring to.

The benefit we get when we are spiritually fit is a balanced mind in the midst of nothing or plenty. We seize to see life from the world view but from God's stand point. Everything gradually seize being about self but about God and His service.

Image123:


Lol, I won't even engage you on the meaning of the verse, the spiritual man himself.

Better.

shdemidemi:

The benefit we get when we are spiritually fit is a balanced mind in the midst of nothing or plenty. We seize to see life from the world view but from God's stand point. Everything gradually seize being about self but about God and His service.

Dangote's mind is balanced. Oprah Winfrey's mind is balanced

Gombs:


So, you re the spiritual man?



Should i quote your judgement on Mba? Even hell's damnation?

Be my guest...

I can even help you with it.

WinsomeX:


Thank God I also know this Holy Spirit you are purporting messages from. In prayers this morning I came to this conclusion in my communion with God.

1. That there are two great facts today: truth and lies.

2. Two Spirits: The Holy Spirit and other spirits.

3. Two gospels: the Gospel and Another Gospel.

4. Two ways: the narrow way and the broad way.

5. Two eternal destinations: heaven and hell.

6. Two "gods": The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and other gods.

7. Two sons: sons of righteousness and sons of perdition.

8. Two Christians: true and false.

ETC.

You, mbaemeka, occupy the latter in all these statements. You are not a Christian, you are a liar. You are not hearing the Holy Spirit, you are hearing demons. Your eternal destination is not heaven but hell. You are a son of perdition. Those who listen to you do so at great peril to their souls.

Even bolded, in case you missed it at first.

mbaemeka:


Dangote's mind is balanced. Oprah Winfrey's mind is balanced

You think! Only the one who wears the shoes knows where it hurts. The bible says there is a false confidence that comes with money. Take money from an unbeliever you will realise how unbalanced their mind is in the midst of nothing.

Moreover, I am not deceived by glitters, I believe the word of God that says-
Romans 8
18 For I reckon that the sufferings(the entire world is suffering if we must compare it to the glory to come after the world) of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Their mind definitely react to haps and mishaps unlike a transformed believer who understand that all the world offers is but for a minute in God's eyes. A true believer maintain the same balance at all times regardless of plenty or nothing. Our confidence isn't in what the world offers but in God Himself.

I want to invite all who care for such an information to the STRANGE FIRE Conference organized by John MacArthur on the dangers of the Charismatic movement. This page below offer the transcribed, audio and video of all the messages on that conference.

http://www.gty.org/resources/sermon-series/325/strange-fire-conference?Term=strange%20fire

I will be opening a thread in the near future to discuss it.

shdemidemi:


You think! Only the one who wears the shoes knows where it hurts. The bible says there is a false confidence that comes with money. Take money from an unbeliever you will realise how unbalanced their mind is in the midst of nothing.

Moreover, I am not deceived by glitters, I believe the word of God that says-
Romans 8
18 For I reckon that the sufferings(the entire world is suffering if we must compare it to the glory to come after the world) of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Their mind definitely react to haps and mishaps unlike a transformed believer who understand that all the world offers is but for a minute in God's eyes. A true believer maintain the same balance at all times regardless of plenty or nothing. Our confidence isn't in what the world offers but in God Himself.

The entire world is suffering, but in the midst of it all God's word says there is a benefit to be gained from it in this present world.

I have asked you for such benefits and you have claimed having a balanced mind. I haven't even asked for the scriptures that said so but I mentioned 2 Non-christians that claimed they too have balanced minds. I can also mention Tibetan Monks, the Dalai Lama etc. All non-Christians who are not pertubed by the love or lack of money. So how can this be what Paul was referring to? Remember, it is God through his word that said there are benefits to be enjoyed in this present life. So it is not even a question of what the world has to offer but what God himself said.

WinsomeX:
I want to invite all who care for such an information to the STRANGE FIRE Conference organized by John MacArthur on the dangers of the Charismatic movement. This page below offer the transcribed, audio and video of all the messages on that conference.
http://www.gty.org/resources/sermon-series/325/strange-fire-conference?Term=strange%20fire
I will be opening a thread in the near future to discuss it.

^^^
Conrad Mbewe spit fire on "MoG"
- nothing better than telling it as it is, with no holds barred.

Justin Peters not mincing words
- heavenly encounters/Jesus visitations (i.e. application for apostles are closed) functions of some gifts have ceased, Paul's rhetorical questions about tongues, teaching, etc

BabaGnoni:

^^^
Conrad Mbewe spit fire on "MoG"
- nothing better than telling it as it is, with no holds barred.

Justin Peters not mincing words
- heavenly encounters/Jesus visitations - application for apostles are closed, functions of some gifts have ceased, Paul's rhetorical questions about tongues, teaching, etc

Conrad has a lecture there on African Charismatics. So much religion along with so much corruption and backwardness.

mbaemeka:


The entire world is suffering, but in the midst of it all God's word says there is a benefit to be gained from it in this present world.

I have asked you for such benefits and you have claimed having a balanced mind. I haven't even asked for the scriptures that said so but I mentioned 2 Non-christians that claimed they too have balanced minds. I can also mention Tibetan Monks, the Dalai Lama etc. All non-Christians who are not pertubed by the love or lack of money. So how can this be what Paul was referring to? Remember, it is God through his word that said there are benefits to be enjoyed in this present life. So it is not even a question of what the world has to offer but what God himself said.

I think its only natural for men to always want to know what they can gain. Peter was no exception-
matthew 19:27
Then Peter said to him, "We've given up everything to follow you. [size=24pt]What will we get[/size]?"

Jesus never said your bank account will increase, or you will build a house or you will live forever. He said-

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

I believe true peace and joy is in Christ alone.

WinsomeX:
Conrad has a lecture there on African Charismatics.
So much religion along with so much corruption and backwardness.

Yup, that is correct, there are just too many in which these two guys are in, hitting the nail on the head.
By the way was referring to:

Are We Preachers or Witch Doctors? (Conrad Mbewe)
Spiritual Shipwreck of the Word-Faith Movement (Justin Peters)

BabaGnoni:


Yup, that is correct, there are just too many in which these two guys are in, hitting the nail on the head.
By the way was referring to:

Are We Preachers or Witch Doctors? (Conrad Mbewe)
Spiritual Shipwreck of the Word-Faith Movement (Justin Peters)

"Now you cannot have spiritual life when the book is closed... you can't..." - Conrad Mbewe

www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/TM13-5

^^^ wow... That was heavy.

Whatever benefits we get in this present world, they don't make a Christian ANY better than the next Satanist. If it were not so, this reductio ad absurdum by Paul would not make sense

1 Cor 15:19 (KJV)
If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

Here is Paul comparing a Christian's present life to a non believer. Anything Christians claim, you find it in abundance among heathens be it your long-life, health, wealth....with perhaps exception of spiritual warfare

mbaemeka:


I agree. Now the question is, from that verse above, what are the benefits to be gained from this present world? I believe all of us agree that there are benefits in the life to come. But Paul also spoke about the benefits in this present world. That's what I am referring to.

Very michievious, later you are the guys to attack WOF saying they missaply scriptures. Read the verse your quoted in context, Paul was arguing with his audience from the point of view that Christ has indeed been raise from the dead.

vooks:
Whatever benefits we get in this present world, they don't make a Christian ANY better than the next Satanist. If it were not so, this reductio ad absurdum by Paul would not make sense

1 Cor 15:19 (KJV)
If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

Here is Paul comparing a Christian's present life to a non believer. Anything Christians claim, you find it in abundance among heathens be it your long-life, health, wealth....with perhaps exception of spiritual warfare

So follow the sound advice of your buddy who said this below.

trustman:


A quoted scripture may be misinterpreted and obviously subsequently misapplied.

A misapplied scripture can give false hope.

My brother,
Paul is raising a hypothetical question to show the Corinthians the folly of their NOT believing in resurrection.
This is Paul's argument starting with these three premises;
1. There is no resurrection
2. ALL the benefits of being a Christian are realized in this life
3. Christians do not fare ANY better than non-Christians in this life

CONCLUSION
There is no point of being a Christian.

The first premise is wrong. This is reality;
1. There is resurrection
2. NOT ALL the benefits of being a Christian are realized in this life
3. Christians do not fare ANY better than non-Christians in this life

CONCLUSION
Despite 3, there is hope for Christians; resurrection where full benefits of resurrection will be realized so you have every reason to remain in CHrist

What the wealth,health and long-life advocates are telling you is that even if there was no eternity/resurrection, there are enough reasons to be a Christian. Paul is saying the opposite. Who is right?

Bidam:
Very michievious, later you are the guys to attack WOF saying they missaply scriptures. Read the verse your quoted in context, Paul was arguing with his audience from the point of view that Christ has indeed been raise from the dead. So follow the sound advice of your buddy who said this below.

vooks:
My brother,
Paul is raising a hypothetical question to show the Corinthians the folly of their NOT believing in resurrection.
This is Paul's argument starting with these three premises;
1. There is no resurrection
2. ALL the benefits of being a Christian are realized in this life
3. Christians do not fare ANY better than non-Christians in this life

CONCLUSION
There is no point of being a Christian.

The first premise is wrong. This is reality;
1. There is resurrection
2. NOT ALL the benefits of being a Christian are realized in this life
3. Christians do not fare ANY better than non-Christians in this life
4. Despite 3, there is hope for Christians- resurrection where full benefits of resurrection will be realized

What the wealth,health and long-life advocates are telling you is that even if there was no eternity/resurrection, there are enough reasons to be a Christian. Paul is saying the opposite. Who is right?

Can you quote where they said the bold or are you acting in mischief?

What does the health,wealth and long life brigade teach?

Bidam:
Can you quote where they said the bold or are you acting in mischief?

vooks:
What does the health,wealth and long life brigade teach?

I actually do not have time for your frivolous question this morning if you cannot answer my question based on your erroneous statements.

Makes two of us . What question?

Bidam:
I actually do not have time for your frivolous question this morning if you cannot answer my question based on your erroneous statements.

Bidam:
I actually do not have time for your frivolous question this morning if you cannot answer my question based on your erroneous statements.

You were the first to ask a question. When you did it was not frivolous in your eyes. Then when a response came to your question it became frivolous and you suddenly don't have time for such.
What do we make of that?

You are the one actually detracting from the focus of the original issue. By moving away from whether the Christian's benefits are in the here and now to asking proof about those who teach whatever you're engaging in your usual roller coaster game.

shdemidemi:

I think its only natural for men to always want to know what they can gain. Peter was no exception-
matthew 19:27
Then Peter said to him, "We've given up everything to follow you. [size=24pt]What will we get[/size]?"
Jesus never said your bank account will increase, or you will build a house or you will live forever. He said-
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
I believe true peace and joy is in Christ alone.

I also believe that true peace and joy is in christ alone. But not just true peace and joy: true wealth, true prosperity, true health, true wisdom, true security etc. They can only be found in Christ. So when you tell people that they can get all but the first two from the world, you are teaching a false message because Christ also gives the rest and a plethora of scriptures say so.