Picture attached below.

for the news story, please read on the other thread from yesterday:

Suicide Bomber Targets Shia Ashura Procession In Potiskum

https://www.nairaland.com/1980207/suicide-bomber-targets-shia-ashura

Another gruesome pic attached below.

For more than 1400 yrs the arabs have been killing each other over the sunnis (led by saudi arabia) and shia (led by Iran) unending fight on who will lead the Islamic world. If this fight is confined to the middle east I dont hav prob with that. It is unfortunate that this madness have been gradually exported to the black world. When will we Africans learn not to interfere in Arab-related fight for religios supremacy?

Both the sunnis and the shia has no bizness imported their madness to sub-sahara africa. This ashura (stupid ) processions should be banned. We have had enough of bloodshed in Nigeria.

true2god:
For more than 1400 yrs the arabs have been killing each other over the sunnis (led by saudi arabia) and shia (led by Iran) unending fight on who will lead the Islamic world. If this fight is confined to the middle east I dont hav prob with that. It is unfortunate that this madness have been gradually exported to the black world. When will we Africans learn not to interfere in Arab-related fight for religios supremacy?
Both the sunnis and the shia has no bizness imported their madness to sub-sahara africa. This ashura (stupid ) processions should be banned. We have had enough of bloodshed in Nigeria.

you are the only silly one here. Iran (Persia) is not Arab. Saudi Arabia was created in 1926. Iran was Sunni up till the 16th century, while the opposite was the case for Egypt. these acts have nothing to do with Sunni and Shia. they have to do with the enemies of Islam as a whole, and their agents and tool (the Wahhabi Takfiri ideology). and for your info, we are Muslims. and whether we like it or not, we are either Sunni or Shia. these are the two branches of Islam. you can either eliminate Islam altogether out of your hatred/Islamophobia, or you can choose to join the fight and empower one over the other. in either case it is a loss for you, and failure. we only should learn how to co-exist and tolerate our differences, and preaching should be done as the Quran stipulate-"through wisdom and kind exhortation, and discuss with them in a way that is best, for your Lord knows he who is rightly guided, and he who has gone astray". anyways, this isn't for you to interfere. mind your business. you are not a Muslim, or are you?

LagosShia:


you are the only silly one here. Iran (Persia) is not Arab. Saudi Arabia was created in 1926. Iran was Sunni up till the 16th century, while the opposite was the case for Egypt. these acts have nothing to do with Sunni and Shia. they have to do with the enemies of Islam as a whole, and their agents and tool (the Wahhabi Takfiri ideology). and for your info, we are Muslims. and whether we like it or not, we are either Sunni or Shia. these are the two branches of Islam. you can either eliminate Islam altogether out of your hatred/Islamophobia, or you can choose to join the fight and empower one over the other. in either case it is a loss for you, and failure. we only should learn how to co-exist and tolerate our differences, and preaching should be done as the Quran stipulate-"through wisdom and kind exhortation, and discuss with them in a way that is best, for your Lord knows he who is rightly guided, and he who has gone astray". anyways, this isn't for you to interfere. mind your business. you are not a Muslim, or are you?

Well, it is an utopian dream that the sunni and the shia will ever tolerate each other. The sunni\shia crisis led to the massacre of mohammed grandsons, hussien and hassan. It led to a bloody civil war immediately after the death of mohammed on who will rule the arab\muslim world.

Whether Iran is arab, or not, is immaterial, they are in the middle-east and equally has the violent trait of their neighbour. Until you learnt the foundational problem inherent in Islam, vis-a-vis the unwanton bloodshet in the name of Allah, there will be no peace in the muslim\arab world.

My only concern is their exporting their 'fight' to poor African countries in their quest for geo-political domination. Until we Africans see the stupidity in the sunni\shia religio-political struggles, we will continue wallowing in this religiosly-induced poverty plaquing the African continent.

true2god:
Well, it is an utopian dream that the sunni and the shia will ever tolerate each other. The sunni\shia crisis led to the massacre of mohammed grandsons, hussien and hassan. It led to a bloody civil war immediately after the death of mohammed on who will rule the arab\muslim world.
Whether Iran is arab, or not, is immaterial, they are in the middle-east and equally has the violent trait of their neighbour. Until you learnt the foundational problem inherent in Islam, vis-a-vis the unwanton bloodshet in the name of Allah, there will be no peace in the muslim\arab world.
My only concern is their exporting their 'fight' to poor African countries in their quest for geo-political domination. Until we Africans see the stupidity in the sunni\shia religio-political struggles, we will continue wallowing in this religiosly-induced poverty plaquing the African continent.

Sunnis and Shias have lived side by side in middle east countries, and even intermarried. the governments have issues, and also do extremist groups; but that hasn't stopped people from living in peace.

regardless, what are the solutions you would proffer?

LagosShia:


Sunnis and Shias have lived side by side in middle east countries, and even intermarried. the governments have issues, and also do extremist groups; but that hasn't stopped people from living in peace.

regardless, what are the solutions you would proffer?

African countries, just like Japan, korea, singapore, as some other few countries, should do away with Islam, and their madrasas, and concentrate more in science and technology, research and development (R&).

Islamic studies will only increase poverty, war and chaos wherever it take root. Aside from oil-rich gulf countries such as saudi, qatar, uae and kuwait, virtually all muslim-dominated countries are very poor and chaotic. You may not agree with me, but if you take a statistics of countries with highest illiteracy and poverty index, you will have a better understanding of what I'm talking about.

true2god:
African countries, just like Japan, korea, singapore, as some other few countries, should do away with Islam, and their madrasas, and concentrate more in science and technology, research and development (R&).

those countries you cited are not christian countries, and christianity is alien to them.

amongst the bottom 10 countries in terms of illiteracy are burkina faso, benin republic, south sudan and ethiopia. three of them are all majority christian countries. the bottom ten countries in the illiteracy index are all in africa. so implicitly, you sound as ignorant as a white racist who would view blacks as nothing but savages, and would want to do away with anything black. you sound both ignorant and foolish.

Islamic studies will only increase poverty, war and chaos wherever it take root. Aside from oil-rich gulf countries such as saudi, qatar, uae and kuwait, virtually all muslim-dominated countries are very poor and chaotic. You may not agree with me, but if you take a statistics of countries with highest illiteracy and poverty index, you will have a better understanding of what I'm talking about.

they are volatile because you are referring to the middle east where a host of factors contributed to the status-quo, including foreign interference.

the 10 cities with highest records of violent crimes and murder are all christian cities in south america. that is fact.

the 10 poorest countries in the world in 2013 are:

DRC, Zimbabwe, Burundi, Liberia, Eritrea, CAR, Niger, Malawi, Madagascar, and Afghanistan.

out of these 10 poorest countries, only two are Muslim. out of these 10 countries, only one is not in africa. 8 of them are christian countries.

you are really not worthy of a reply.

LagosShia:


those countries you cited are not christian countries, and christianity is alien to them.

amongst the bottom 10 countries in terms of illiteracy are burkina faso, benin republic, south sudan and ethiopia. three of them are all majority christian countries. the bottom ten countries in the illiteracy index are all in africa. so implicitly, you sound as ignorant as a white racist who would view blacks as nothing but savages, and would want to do away with anything black. you sound both ignorant and foolish.



they are volatile because you are referring to the middle east where a host of factors contributed to the status-quo, including foreign interference.

the 10 cities with highest records of violent crimes and murder are all christian cities in south america. that is fact.

the 10 poorest countries in the world in 2013 are:

DRC, Zimbabwe, Burundi, Liberia, Eritrea, CAR, Niger, Malawi, Madagascar, and Afghanistan.

out of these 10 poorest countries, only two are Muslim. out of these 10 countries, only one is not in africa. 8 of them are christian countries.

you are really not worthy of a reply.

Christianity is never alien to saudi arabi, Iran, qater, kuwait, egypt or any middle eastern country. As a matter of fact christianity, prior to mohammed era, was a major religion in the middle east. The hostility of Islam and the anti-christian instructions of mohammed (quran 5:51) forced a lot of Jews and christians away fom the region.

Presently a lot of massacre, on a biblical scale, is going on against the christians in the region while muslims are free to build mosque and Islamic centres in europe and there is no report that a SINGLE muslim has been killed in europe and american just because they are muslims.

Millions of muslims are migrating to america and europe to escape tyrany and poverty in their home country. Your using poor sub-sahara african countries to bench-mark against an old arabian civilization just confirm how things have gone bad in the muslim\arab nations.

true2god:
Christianity is never alien to saudi arabi, Iran, qater, kuwait, egypt or any middle eastern country. As a matter of fact christianity, prior to mohammed era, was a major religion in the middle east. The hostility of Islam and the anti-christian instructions of mohammed (quran 5:51) forced a lot of Jews and christians away fom the region.

you do not even comprehend what you read. i was referring to the countries you were boasting with-japan,singapore etc. their progress technologically isnt borne out of their adherence to christianity. that is the point. and also pointed are the poor, illiterate christian countries with high crime rates.

in iran and egypt, you would find the oldest churches on earth still standing. as for the wahhabi states (saudi, qatar, kuwait) in the persian gulf area, those states are US allies. the US should break ties with them, but, yet, the US says nothing. these countries also abuse Muslims.

Presently a lot of massacre, on a biblical scale, is going on against the christians in the region while muslims are free to build mosque and Islamic centres in europe and there is no report that a SINGLE muslim has been killed in europe and american just because they are muslims.

how many million Shias have been killed in Iraq since 2003? how many thousands killed in pakistan and afghanistan? they are killed, alongside christians and peace-loving Sunnis, by wahhabi groups supported directly or indirectly by the christian west, and US allies in the middle east like turkey and saudi arabia. the criminals do not represent islam, and muslims too suffer from their criminality on biblical scale. after supporting these groups (in syria particularly of recent), the west and westerners still want to hold islam responsible. a US senator, John McCain, has photos taken with ISIS leader when the former violated syria's sovereignty and crossed the border into syria illegally from turkey to support armed fighters- against the syrian government of bashar al-assad, and to stir sectarian tension unknown in syria previously- who would later form the terrorist group called ISIS. dont hold Islam and Muslims responsible. there is even a conspiracy going on that abu bakr al-baghdadi, the leader of isis, is in fact a Jew!!!

Millions of muslims are migrating to america and europe to escape tyrany and poverty in their home country. Your using poor sub-sahara african countries to bench-mark against an old arabian civilization just confirm how things have gone bad in the muslim\arab nations.

arabia never had a civilization until after the spread of islam. so your comparison is as usual inaccurate. it isnt muslims that migrate to the west to escape tyranny and poverty. it is Nigerians, Indians, Pakistanis, etc. who may happen to be either muslims,hindus, buddhists or christians. you do not notice the millions of hindus from india who migrate to the west because your prejudiced and ignorant mind is fixated on Muslims and Islam. my advice to you: go and die!

@ Lagosia I am not white, I am Igbo-Nigerian and I have a fair knowledge of Islamic oppressions and tyranny that has run over 1400 years. Muslims are very hostile to minorities where they are the majority and even among the muslim community the sunnis are very hostile to shia if sunni are majority and vice-versa.

The bombimg of shia (and their holy sites) by the sunnis are a daily occurence, which confirms that, even among the muslims themselves, there is no peace (as long as there are doctrinal differences).

Islamic violence is never bound by geography, it is not a matter of the volatility of the middle eastern region or foreign interference. There was no foreign interference when the sunni\shia crisis started. There was no foreign occupation when mohammed vowed to forcefully expel the christians and the Jews from the arabian penisula (quran 9:5, 29 & 30).

Please not that the egypt is owned by native copts, sudan by black africans, algeria by berbers but are currently and permanently ruled by arabs after a systematic genocide of the local population.

Please read Islamic history, hadith and the sunna of the prophet on how muslims should and\or conqured countries that are presently under Islamic\arab control.

LagosShia:


you do not even comprehend what you read. i was referring to the countries your were boasting with-japan,singapore etc. their progress technologically isnt borne out of their adherence to christianity. that is the point. and also pointed are the poor, illiterate christian countries with high crime rate.

in iran and egypt, you would find the oldest churches on earth still standing. as for the wahhabi states (saudi, qatar, kuwait) in the persian gulf area, those states are US allies. the US should break ties with them, but the US says nothing. these countries also abuse Muslims too.



how many million Shias have been killed in Iraq since 2003? how many thousands killed in pakistan and afghanistan? they are killed, alongside christians, by wahhabi groups supported directly or indirectly by the christian west, and US allies in the middle east like turkey and saudi arabia. the criminals do not represent islam and muslims too suffer from their criminality on biblical scale. after supporting these groups (in syria particularly of recent), the west and westerners still want to hold islam responsible. a US senator, John McCain, has photos taken with ISIS leader when the former violated syria's sovereignty and crossed the border into syria illegally from turkey to support armed fighters who would later form the terrorist group called ISIS. dont hold Islam and Muslim responsible. there is even a conspiracy going on that abu bakar al-baghdadi, the leader of isis, is in fact a Jew!!!



arabia never had a civilization until after the spread of islam. so your comparison is as usual inaccurate. it isnt muslims that migrate to the west to escape tyranny and poverty. it is Nigerians, Indians, Pakistanis, etc. who may happen to be either muslims or christians. you do not notice the millions of hindus from india who migrate because your prejudiced and ignorant mind is fixated on Muslims and Islam. my advice to you: go and die!

Stop revising history and read current affairs. 90% of foreign immigrants in holland and the scavanedians are tunisians and moroccans.

The arab population in europe and america is over 60milliom. This wholesale migration is less than 20 years. If arab\muslim territory is conducive, there is no way human migration can happen in that scale.

true2god:
@ Lagosia I am not white, I am Igbo-Nigerian and I have a fair knowledge of Islamic oppressions and tyranny that has run over 1400 years. Muslims are very hostile to minorities where they are the majority and even among the muslim community the sunnis are very hostile to shia if sunni are majority and vice-versa.

so stop generalizing and using stereotypes. seek knowledge, and identify the tiny minority among Muslims who cause the trouble, and who are in fact backed, used and dumped by the western countries-the same western countries who then want to blame it on islam. they are Wahhabi/Salafist Takfiris whether in Iraq, Pakistan or boko haram in Nigeria. using blanket generalizations would only portray you as an ignorant igbo man who is very parochial and a christian fanatic who is more christian than the british who dashed you christianity; the same british turning atheists and embracing Islam today. using blanket generalizations cannot make you win sympathy or anything against 1.5 billion Muslims, the overwhelming majority of whom are peace loving. you are fighting a lost battle. igbos are not more than 30 million in Nigeria, and your states are 5 our of 36. you cannot use ignorance mixed with hatred to deliberately misrepresent others and hate on them. stop it! whatever oppression you are talking about, the Shias have suffered way more since 1400 years. read history about persecution of Shia Muslims. yet still generalization is wrong.

The bombimg of shia (and their holy sites) by the sunnis are a daily occurence, which confirms that, even among the muslims themselves, there is no peace (as long as there are doctrinal differences).

stop saying "Sunnis". i am not fond of Sunnis, nor the differences they hold against us. but you cannot lump about a billion people and hold them responsible for what Wahhabi/Salafist groups (who claim to be Sunnis) commit even against Sunnis. the word "Sunni" when used should strictly be used in the sense of pointing to the wahhabis/salafists who commit the crimes,and their wahhabi/salafist ideology is violent. i cannot even hold Sunnis responsible for the persecution of Shi'ites and the Prophet Muhammad's (sa) household (we Shias especially revere) for over 1400 years. i can only view each person as responsible for his own deeds, and try to spread knowledge about the past and of our religion to them; because if they do not know their past they wont know their future, or even the present.

there is no Sunni who blow up churches or Shia, and even, Sunni mosques, who doesn't associate with the Wahhabi/Salafist ideology of death and hatred. you are only portraying yourself as a "Christian Wahhabi" so to speak with all this hatred and blind ignorance.

Islamic violence is never bound by geography, it is not a matter of the volatility of the middle eastern region or foreign interference. There was no foreign interference when the sunni\shia crisis started. There was no foreign occupation when mohammed vowed to forcefully expel the christians and the Jews from the arabian penisula (quran 9:5, 29 & 30).

do you know how the "Sunni/Shia crisis" started? was it a crisis? it wasnt a crisis. it was simply injustice to which the Ahlul-Bayt (as) maintain peace and sanity, and never reacted to fight back in order to avoid bloodshed. that was the wisdom of our Imams, and in particular, Imam Ali (as) who after the usurpation of the caliphate and the land of Fadak belonging to the Prophet's (sa) daughter by the first Sunni caliph.

those verses you referred to above have nothing to do with your claim. the Prophet (sa) had no problem with Christians. there was no battle fought against christians. the battle with christians known as MUBAHILA was a bloodless and peaceful one. he had problems with groups of treacherous Jews who back-stabbed him. our the Quran refers in condemnation to "unbelievers", "christians", "jews", to those people that existed and fought the Prophet (sa) and not to every non-Muslim. fighting/jihad is only for self-defense, and not for conquests or to spread Islam. "there is no compulsion in religion" according to the Holy Quran.

Please not that the egypt is owned by native copts, sudan by black africans, algeria by berbers but are currently and permanently ruled by arabs after a systematic genocide of the local population.

egyptian muslims are also "copts". majority of (egyptian) christian copts embraced Islam. the word "copt" means "egyptian". black africans in sudan became arabized and embraced islam. the berbers too are muslims. the Sunni caliphate conquests and the use of the sword to spread Islam was wrong, but that wasn't the case everywhere. do not generalize.

Please read Islamic history, hadith and the sunna of the prophet on how muslims should and\or conqured countries that are presently under Islamic\arab control.

look at your blatant ignorance. you are silly. very silly.

at the time of the Prophet's (sa) death, Islam was confined to the arabian peninsula, and the hadith wasnt written. so how then can i refer to the hadith to find out about what came about later? the hadith was written to document what happened during the lifetime of the prophet (sa). you do not even know what you are talking about or the terms you are using. you use the word "sunnah". what is "sunnah"? do you know "sunnah" is found in the hadith? you need to read history, not islamophobic websites that want to take advantage of the wahhabis and their mess to spread hate for Islam and tarnish the image of Muslims as a way to evangelize and spread christianity. can't you spread christianity through your beliefs instead of thinking you can spread it by blackmailing muslims?

true2god:
Stop revising history and read current affairs. 90% of foreign immigrants in holland and the scavanedians are tunisians and moroccans.

The arab population in europe and america is over 60milliom. This wholesale migration is less than 20 years. If arab\muslim territory is conducive, there is no way human migration can happen in that scale.

shut-up! you do not know history. how many million igbos are spread across the world? oh wait! you will surely blame it on the northerners. ok, how many igbos are spread across Nigeria? even the northerners who happen to be the poorest and most educated have not sought to flee their own states like the Igbos have. what is making you leave your 5 states? if your states are so conducive, and you think you can build a viable "biafran state", why not stay in it and have other Nigerians attracted to them? your states happen to be the most hostile to outsiders (both Nigerians and foreigners). look at foreigners who come to Nigeria to open businesses or reside (mainly chinese, indians and lebanese). do you find them in the east? they are mostly in the south-west and in the north. armed robbery, ritual killings, baby factories, thuggery, fraud, and racism have driven outsiders away. is that what christianity taught you? is that how you treat strangers?

LagosShia:


Sunnis and Shias have lived side by side in middle east countries, and even intermarried. the governments have issues, and also do extremist groups; but that hasn't stopped people from living in peace.

regardless, what are the solutions you would proffer?

They have to realize religious pluralism. This mentality of, "i am the saved sect and every other sect are innovations and must be suppressed", must stop. In short, Secularism will come in handy.

That was how the Christians dealt with their sectarian feuds for good. It was severe for them, throughout the middle age, smaller Christian sects like Jacolbite or Nestorian Christians preferred to live as 2nd class citizens in Islamic caliphate than live in the Roman/Byzantine Empire under the reign of the Catholics.

@underlined, while the commoners had tolerated each other, the issue of extremists or authorities expressing intolerance isn't news. You know better than i do, that persecution of shiites lasted throughout the Ummayad and Abbasid dynasties. They never got over their differences even at an inter-state level, between the Ottoman and Persian empire.

@ Lagosia, the 'tiny' minority muslims that are causing chaos are the ones that are obeying the teachings\commands of the prophets as instructed in the hadith and the quran. Their deeds and actioms perfectly fit into the life of the prophet. We have heard enough of this '1.5billion muslim' mantra.

Note that whether sunni or shia or wahabi, they are all muslims and work for the same interest, despite their obvios differences. The wahabi are rulling saudi arabia and are the greatest financier of terrorism world wide. Saudi arabia is the custodian of Islam and home to the grand-mufti of Islam and once said and I quote, 'there there be no any single church in the arabia peninsula as commanded by the prophet'.

Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4366: “It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.”

Ibn Ishaq, Life of Muhammad (Karachi) p.553: …the Apostle of Allah said, “Kill any Jew that falls into your power.”

Bukhari Vol.4 Bk.52 No.176 Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar: Allah’s Apostle said,“You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)!There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.”

Quran-5.60 “…[the Jews] whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and who served the Shaitan…”

Quran-5:72 “Surely, they have disbelieved who say: “Allah is the Messiah … and the Fire will be his abode and for the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers.” [Not only does this verse say Christians burn in hell, it also equates them to “polytheists”, thus negating their “special status” as “people of the book”.]

Quran-9.29 “Fight against those who … acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and know themselves subdued.”

Does the grand-mufti of saudi arabia also represent the 'tiny' minority of muslim terrorist?

Fya, I know how the sunni\shia crisis started, the summary of which is the successor struggle after the death of Islamic prophet, mohammed.

Christian copts were in egypt b\4 Islam and most of them are currently being persecuted for being christians. It is not easy to be a christian in egypt.

Yes, the activities of mohammed was confined to the arabia perninsula at his time but the caliph after his demise embarked on a global conquest for allah as commanded by mohammed

LagosShia:


shut-up! you do not know history. how many million igbos are spread across the world? oh wait! you will surely blame it on the northerners. ok, how many igbos are spread across Nigeria? even the northerners who happen to be the poorest and most educated have not sought to flee their own states like the Igbos have. what is making you leave your 5 states? if your states are so conducive, and you think you can build a viable "biafran state", why not stay in it and have other Nigerians attracted to them? your states happen to be the most hostile to outsiders (both Nigerians and foreigners). look at foreigners who come to Nigeria to open businesses or reside (mainly chinese, indians and lebanese). do you find them in the east? they are mostly in the south-west and in the north. armed robbery, ritual killings, baby factories, thuggery, fraud, and racism have driven outsiders away. is that what christianity taught you? is that how you treat strangers?

Yes, Igbos are spread in Nigeria and around the world, but it is never on record that the Igbos ever beheaded anyone, bomb church\mosque, fight in the name of God, but muslims do worldwide. Can you see the difference?

For sake of local geography, the Igbos are geo-politically located in 5 states but are geographically located in 7 states as natural indignes and not settlers, eg delta and river state. I know you would have heard of asaba-igbos or delta Igbos.

We are not talking politics here, we are discussing the bombing of shia muslims and, to an an extend, the genesis of the crisis. You can create a thread against the Igbos on the political section, do not divert the topic.

true2god:
@ Lagosia, the 'tiny' minority muslims that are causing chaos are the ones that are obeying the teachings\commands of the prophets as instructed in the hadith and the quran. Their deeds and actioms perfectly fit into the life of the prophet. We have heard enough of this '1.5billion muslim' mantra.

so the rest are all "fake Muslims", and only less than 5% of Muslims are following the real teachings, and not that they are distorting and misinterpreting the teachings of Islam. you are helping the extremists in your case because your ignorance isnt going to make me less of a muslim or make me love my religion and Prophet (sa) any less. the actions of the extremists wont either make me renounce my Islam faith.

Note that whether sunni or shia or wahabi, they are all muslims and work for the same interest, despite their obvios differences. The wahabi are rulling saudi arabia and are the greatest financier of terrorism world wide. Saudi arabia is the custodian of Islam and home to the grand-mufti of Islam and once said and I quote,

please what is the name of this "grand mufti of islam" of yours? i have never heard of him in my entire lifetime as a Muslim (both when i was Sunni, and now that i am Shia). what is his name?

'there there be no any single church in the arabia peninsula as commanded by the prophet'.
Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4366: “It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.”
Ibn Ishaq, Life of Muhammad (Karachi) p.553: …the Apostle of Allah said, “Kill any Jew that falls into your power.”
Bukhari Vol.4 Bk.52 No.176 Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar: Allah’s Apostle said,“You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)!There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.”
Quran-5.60 “…[the Jews] whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and who served the Shaitan…”

i do not believe in those hadiths. non-muslims are not allowed within the islamic holy cities of makkah and medinah. not the entire arabian peninsula. non-muslims are still living and working in the arabian peninsula. it seems even Sunnis do not believe in those hadiths. you cant just go into any hadith book and pick up a saying. hadith books, like your bible, contain the truth and falsehood. there is a science of hadiths to grade each narration. that isnt your work.

2 Chronicles 15:13
"That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman".

Quran-5:72 “Surely, they have disbelieved who say: “Allah is the Messiah … and the Fire will be his abode and for the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers.” [Not only does this verse say Christians burn in hell, it also equates them to “polytheists”, thus negating their “special status” as “people of the book”.]

yes, just as each religion views the other as the road to eternal damnation, Islam also teaches us that to worship a human being is polytheism. however, Islam doesnt say we should kill those who worship Jesus just because they are exercising their faith. christianity does promote the concept of hell fire, and eternal punishment. judgment would be administered by God. so let Him judge.

Quran-9.29 “Fight against those who … acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and know themselves subdued.”

this verse was referring to a group of Jews who back-stabbed the agreement they had with the Muslims. it isnt referring to christians. "people of the scripture" or "people of the book" could refer to both christians and jews. so you got to understand the context of the verse. when and where was it revealed and about which group or persons among the jews is it talking.

Does the grand-mufti of saudi arabia also represent the 'tiny' minority of muslim terrorist?

he is a wahhabi. the direct descendant of Ibn Abdul-Wahab, the founder of Wahhabism.

Fya, I know how the sunni\shia crisis started, the summary of which is the successor struggle after the death of Islamic prophet, mohammed.

that is a pregnant statement.

Christian copts were in egypt b\4 Islam and most of them are currently being persecuted for being christians. It is not easy to be a christian in egypt.

yes it wasnt easy because the government of mubarak used the salafists to intimidate christians, and make himself look angelic. mubarak's government didnt spare Shias either.

Yes, the activities of mohammed was confined to the arabia perninsula at his time but the caliph after his demise embarked on a global conquest for allah as commanded by mohammed

so how did those conquests find their way into the hadith? please learn. its never too late. hatred would only blind you further.

true2god:
Yes, Igbos are spread in Nigeria and around the world, but it is never on record that the Igbos ever beheaded anyone, bomb church\mosque, fight in the name of God, but muslims do worldwide. Can you see the difference?

if Muslims do worldwide, you wont be here typing and posting trash. you'd be in the great beyond. imagine every muslim blows himself up or kill others. do you think you'd even be lucky to survive? we do not owe you any explanation to prove we are peace loving people. your people, many of them, are always beating the drums of war, spreading hatred, and seeking division in satanic ways. you do not fight because you are too small and cowardly to fight. you only try to ignite flames of hatred that would end up consuming you. there is nothing good that would come from hatred and war. seek peace.

For sake of local geography, the Igbos are geo-politically located in 5 states but are geographically located in 7 states as natural indignes and not settlers, eg delta and river state. I know you would have heard of asaba-igbos or delta Igbos.

try to claim delta and rivers, and see what the indigenes of those states would do or say. 5 or 7 states make no difference. i can even dash you 3 more, and make the total 10.

We are not talking politics here, we are discussing the bombing of shia muslims and, to an an extend, the genesis of the crisis. You can create a thread against the Igbos on the political section, do not divert the topic.

do not discuss. you are not Shia. stay out of it. i have nothing against Igbos. many are good people who even do not like to associate themselves with what the majority do or how they behave. i am not a bigot. you can't bring me down to your level of bigotry, hatred, ignorance and blindness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyxSVC0f7zI

@ Lagosia, I'm not asking you to renounce your religion because it is possible that it's religion at birth. I will nevertheless points some evil in the religion which you, like most of you, fail to admit or choose to ignore.

The grand mufti's name is sheik abdul aziz bin abdullah that asked for the destruction of all churches in the arabian peninsula. www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/03/countries/saudi-arabia/destroy-all-churches-in-the-arabian-peninsula-saudi-grand-mufti-not-islam

On the hadith where the prophet asked for expelling the Jews and christians from the peninsula, I know you will say it is not authentic. Between you and the grand mufti, who a higher knowledge and authority in Islam?

As for surah 9:29-30, it is an open-ended instruction to all muslim and a religios duty to perform as evident in all arab countries.

true2god:
@ Lagosia, I'm not asking you to renounce your religion because it is possible that it's religion at birth. I will nevertheless points some evil in the religion which you, like most of you, fail to admit or choose to ignore.
The grand mufti's name is sheik abdul aziz bin abdullah that asked for the destruction of all churches in the arabian peninsula. www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/03/countries/saudi-arabia/destroy-all-churches-in-the-arabian-peninsula-saudi-grand-musfti-not-islam

and is he the "grand mufti of islam" or the "grand mufti of saudi arabia"? please make up your mind.

On the hadith where the prophet asked for expelling the Jews and christians from the peninsula, I know you will say it is not authentic. Between you and the grand mufti, who a higher knowledge and authority in Islam?
As for surah 9:29-30, it is an open-ended instruction to all muslim and a religios duty to perform as evident in all arab countries.

that guy is Wahhabi. so what do you expect.

LagosShia:


and is he the "grand mufti of islam" or the "grand mufti of saudi arabia"? please make up your mind.



that guy is Wahhabi. so what do you expect.

The grand mufti is a great authority in Islam, who must have a very vast knowledge in Islamic theology and tradition, whether he is a wahabi or not. Besides, he speaks arabic as a first language, so you cant question his authority is Islam.

He has issued many fatwa in line with islamic injunction. He operates in the same level with the catholic pope (im not a catholic) in terms of power an authority. No Nigerian sheik or imam can lead prayer where he is present.

So dont tell me you are more islamic than him.

true2god:
The grand mufti is a great authority in Islam, who must have a very vast knowledge in Islamic theology and tradition, whether he is a wahabi or not. Besides, he speaks arabic as a first language, so you cant question his authority is Islam.
He has issued many fatwa in line with islamic injunction. He operates in the same level with the catholic pope (im not a catholic) in terms of power an authority. No Nigerian sheik or imam can lead prayer where he is present.
So dont tell me you are more islamic than him.

you have not answered my question. is he the "grand mufti of Islam" or the "grand mufti of saudi arabia"? the point is there is nothing as "grand mufti of islam".

secondly, the grand mufti of saudi arabia considers Yazeed (la) to be a "legitimate ruler". to me such a "mufti" has no weight and is as good as satan himself. so please do not teach me my religion. and you cannot say "wahhabi or not". he does not represent me and the vast majority of muslims. your hatred for Islam wants to make you project the extremists as "true representatives of islam".you think you can evangelize your christianity and defame muslims by using the extremists as the pioneers of Islam. they are only important in your own eyes. you can suit yourself.

you should read the relationship between the royal family in saudi arabia (the al saud family) and their relationship with ibn abdul-wahab (the founder of wahhabism), whose descendants are the ones appointed by the king of saudi arabia as "grand mufti" regardless if they merit the position or not. ibn abdul-wahab and his descendants of pseudo-scholars give the royal family religious cover, while the royal family gives them political cover and material rewards in return. it is, in other words, trade by barter. such are not representative of Islam. you cannot even compare the "grand mufti of saudi arabia" to the pope who is representative of catholics. i even used the word "catholics", and not "christians", because you cannot judge Jehovah's witnesses or Anglicans by what the pope does or say. likewise, you cannot judge a Shi'ite by what wahhabi says.

for your info, each Sunni Muslim country has a "grand mufti" of its own. so the grand mufti of one Sunni country is only in charge of the religious affairs of his country alone. on the other hand in Shia Islam, there are a certain number of recognized Ayatollahs. these Ayatollahs have their rulings binding upon Shias irrespective of national boundaries. for example, an ayatollah in Spain can issue fatwas that his Shia Muslim followers in Japan would adhere to. this system in Shia Islam is known as the MARJA'IYYAH. it is believed by Shias that the ayatollahs function in the place of the awaited 12th Imam, al-Mahdi (as), who is the legitimate successor of the Prophet (sa) and divinely chosen Imam of the ummah who would return alongside Prophet Jesus (as). in Sunni Islam such system does not exist as Sunnis believe in the caliphate which was abolished, and the rulings of Sunni sheikhs are not binding (at least not binding on all Sunnis).

LagosShia:


you have not answered my question. is he the "grand mufti of Islam" or the "grand mufti of saudi arabia"? the point is there is nothing as "grand mufti of islam".

secondly, the grand mufti of saudi arabia considers Yazeed (la) to be a "legitimate ruler". to me such a "mufti" has no weight and is as good as satan himself. so please do not teach me my religion. and you cannot say "wahhabi or not". he does not represent me and the vast majority of muslims. your hatred for Islam wants to make you project the extremists as "true representatives of islam".you think you can evangelize your christianity and defame muslims by using the extremists as the pioneers of Islam. they are only important in your own eyes. you can suit yourself.

you should read the relationship between the royal family in saudi arabia (the al saud family) and their relationship with ibn abdul-wahab (the founder of wahhabism), whose descendants are the ones appointed by the king of saudi arabia as "grand mufti" regardless if they merit the position or not. ibn abdul-wahab and his descendants of pseudo-scholars give the royal family religious cover, while the royal family gives them political cover and material rewards in return. it is, in other words, trade by barter. such are not representative of Islam. you cannot even compare the "grand mufti of saudi arabia" to the pope who is representative of catholics. i even used the word "catholics", and not "christians", because you cannot judge Jehovah's witnesses or Anglicans by what the pope does or say. likewise, you cannot judge a Shi'ite by what wahhabi says.

for your info, each Sunni Muslim country has a "grand mufti" of its own. so the grand mufti of one Sunni country is only in charge of the religious affairs of his country alone. on the other hand in Shia Islam, there are a certain number of recognized Ayatollahs. these Ayatollahs have their rulings binding upon Shias irrespective of national boundaries. for example, an ayatollah in Spain can issue fatwas that his Shia Muslim followers in Japan would adhere to. this system in Shia Islam is known as the MARJA'IYYAH. it is believed by Shias that the ayatollahs function in the place of the awaited 12th Imam, al-Mahdi (as), who is the legitimate successor of the Prophet (sa) and divinely chosen Imam of the ummah who would return alongside Prophet Jesus (as). in Sunni Islam such system does not exist as Sunnis believe in the caliphate which was abolished, and the rulings of Sunni sheikhs are not binding (at least not binding on all Sunnis).

Ok. Thanks.

true2god:
Ok. Thanks.

you are welcome.