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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:49pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Patchesagain: Yes Next... The numbers you call fraud include your South African trusted source DefenceWeb SAAF chief did not say foreign armies, he said ARMIES are not comfortable with Mokopa useless range that is not practicable, and ARMIES include SANDF. Boko Haram lives surrounded in any city they invade, Nigeria surrounds them, that's why they keep getting uprooted and flee from town to town, Damboa, Konduga, Mubi....Boko keeps running and abandoning their proclaimed Islamic caliphate, they leave their 'kingdom' when Nigerian army begins slaughter by fire. Base Bleed Bofors range is 41km, ownership of base bleed is common and arms sales logs don't care record it. Extended range Excalibur for Bofors has range 60km. South African army like Nigerian army have base bleed, but both armies have no rocket assist shells in service. SANDF G-6 and G-5 base bleed range is 38km, while Nigeria is 41km. We beat you on shell range and numbers of guns. You have to live with these facts even though they hurt and haunt you daily CASE CLOSED . 1 Like
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 2:50pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
agaugust: Nigeria's reserve forces are non existent. They are not a regular reserve force with salaries and independent military bases. Ever since reserve forces in the world held competition, Nigeria has never took part at all. Your link, read The Nigerian Army (NA) is the largest component of Nigerian Armed Forces , with 130,000 active frontline personal and 32,000 NAF = Army+ Navy+AirForce. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:51pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
NighttWalker: They ran over an FOB. They've been actively operating in the sinai and the rest of Egypt for a good number of years. They only stepped up their attacks after the islamist president morsi was deposed. Of course, Egypt would eventually overrun them, but at the moment a pose a pretty significant threat. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 2:53pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
lezz: This very SAAF Hercules C130 flew from Pretoria to Lagos and back. You Fail 3 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:55pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Henry120: Henry120: Yes, because we did a complete overhaul of our submarine by ourselves - you cannot even overhaul the aradu Because that is what we planned with the vessels, if you knew anything about naval vessels you would know the 1/3 rule of thumb (for every one at sea, two are in maintenance). We have one operational, one being "run up" or used for training, one undergoing maintenance and one undergoing re-fit. And every year, all 4 put to sea for the fleet reveiw - how do we sail ships without crew? The fact that nigeria has ZERO operational frigates is what is pathetic. 14 Gripen fully operational, means a minimum of 18 Pilots. Air-force budgeted for 20 000 hours of fly time. 18 000 used. Meaning we have a fuel excess. Augusta squadrons are fully operational. They were briefly grounded pending the outcome of a crash investigation (standard procedure). The man who said they were mothballed sayed they were mothballed in a Cape Town hanger, yet the squadron that operates them is in Pretoria (pic related -"mothballed" Augusta) We didnt deploy soldiers, MRAP's or Navy seals. I have no idea where you get this nonsense from. Yet again, you can stick to your imaginary machinations all you want. But facts are facts. And factually speaking, you are wrong. PS: you are the one who allways demands pictures, so here you go, Augusta operational, all 4 frigates at sea. 3 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:57pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
agaugust: Hey chucklefuck Your own source says that you have a max range of 38km 1km short of your 39km. And, until you show us Nigerian base-bleed. You have none. Hence, max range of only 24km. Thats it, the matter is closed. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 2:59pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Patchesagain:Eat that : The Liberia mission was predominantly funded and executed by Nigeria “on a conflict that did not directly affect its own security, at a time when its 1995 foreign debt stood at $35 billion,” hence the conclusion that, “No Western nation, especially following the Somalia intervention, could match such commitment.”[xlvii] Nigeria accounted for over 70% of the force and 80% of the funding expending about $11 billion in the process.[xlviii] |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:00pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
agaugust: Blah blah blah Nigeria has no base-bleed FH77B 40Km+ range is only achievable at high altitude with VLAP South Africa makes VLAP ammunition, so if we want it we have it. Your max range is 24km. Ours is 39km. Finished en klaar And no, our SAAF chief was not talking about the SANDF. Repost the quote. 2 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:02pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
lezz: So not only was it a fuckup It was an expensive fuckup Nice 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:03pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Patchesagain: [size=14pt] Lies ! Lies !! Lies !!! No where in modern war has 4,000 men fought against 150,000 men and survived in heavy ratio 1:35 300 SANDF ran away from 1,500 Seleka rebels in C.A.R. in only ratio 1:5 Angolan bush war was 4,000 SADF frontline, 18,000 SADF rear-guard near home lines, and 120,000 UNITA army frontline beside the 4,000 SADF, shows that the war was actually the work of 120,000 UNITA rebels of Angola, SADF was NOT able to fight the war alone. South African army NEVER fights war alone, always needs help from another better army .[/size] 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by NighttWalker(m): 3:05pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Henry120:Egypt should have wiped this guys out of existence with the military hardware they get from the US worth $1 billion every year, wanna sleep its 1pm here and I have class tomorrow and BTW as much as I hate the SANDF and NA argument I'm actually enjoying it, just don't take this outside the thread or begin to develop hate amongst yourselves or the Country, we are all brothers....Goodnight guys 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:07pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
agaugust: [size=15pt]More lies Exposed[/size] [size=15pt]UNITA had a maximum number of only 65 000 in 1990 (we had left by then)[/size] http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yNemVdadVxcC&pg=PA562&lpg=PA562&dq=UNITA+forces+65,000&source=bl&ots=7HjtLpBMfz&sig=HJiARq5j3QPKDYBLhGdvd8pj7po&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tog7UbaUG4uS7AbtroBQ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=UNITA%20forces%2065%2C000&f=false And 4000 men face 150 000 and survived for 25 years... winning every single battle We only deployed 4 000 men as that is all we needed to whoop the MPLA and Cubans. We send more when what is there is winning? Ps: I love it how the number of SANDF in CAR grows every time you mention it... in a few years you will be saying there was a whole Division of SANDF in the CAR 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 3:08pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
ActivateKruger:The development of mechanisms for Africa’s peace and security, informed by increasing security interdependence and vulnerabilities, is largely driven by key African states. Egypt, Nigeria, and South Africa are considered states with prospects for regional leadership.[xxiv] While Egypt’s influence is more notable in the Arab world, South Africa and Nigeria are more central to cotemporary African diplomacy. Both nations’ sub-regional activities led to their categorization as regional hegemons. But their clear lack of overriding economic, political and military capacity to influence their regions’ relations invalidate such conclusions. Rather both are ‘pivotal states’ in view of their disproportionate capacity relative to their sub-regional neighbours. [xxv] However, South Africa is a latecomer in the African struggle for peaceful order and sustainable development, considering its apartheid history. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 3:09pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
[size=14pt]In the meantime......[/size] 4 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 3:11pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
ActivateKruger:a fool and a thief. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:13pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
[size=15pt]A round up of the weeks lies as told by Augubgugug 1. China developed a new wire-guided ATGM in the 2000's 2. Biafran civil war involved 500 000 men 3. Nigeria has 660 feild guns 4. UNITA had 120 000 men 5. 300 SANDF fought in CAR 6. Nigeria has Base-Bleed 155mm shells Isnt this the same guy who left the thread after accusing us South Africans of telling lies? [/size] 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 3:14pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Nigerian Armed Forces = Navy +Air force+ Army has a strength of 130 000. The Nigerian Army (NA) is the largest component of Nigerian Armed Forces , with 130,000 active frontline personal and 32,000 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 3:28pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Patchesagain:your opinion which don't count. That was a war that enshrined Nigeria's military capabilities and legacy. Next. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:33pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Patchesagain: The post is from South Africa, so you quote it here as a repeat. Show me where VLAP for Bofors FH-77B is said to be 41km. The Indian army made NO mention of any shell apart from standard and base bleed in the official video. VLAP for Bofors is Excalibur and range is 60km . "The range of the gun is extended to 60 km with the precision-guided Raytheon/Bofors XM982 Excalibur round. The Excalibur shell is corrected in flight towards a pre-programmed trajectory by a GPS guidance system." Wikipedia. At altitude means what? Gun is towed to mountain top? Last time you posted helicopter airlifting artillery, is that a tow? Helicopter is air force, show us a modern army towing artillery to mountain top to deploy there. You lost again, as you always do, bobo loser . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:54pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Patchesagain: [size=14pt]Try prove me wrong if you can [/size] . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:56pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
agaugust: So you are saying you have Excalibur now? [size=15pt]And, again, you are telling lies. The 60km range is acheived with the Archer FH77 BW L52. Not the FH77B gun!! YET ANOTHER LIE TO ADD TO THE LIST!![/size] And why do you specifically want pictures of a gun towed up a mountain top? I have already shown you guns can be moved up there. But if you insist, here you go, pic related, Indian Bofors FH77B in the Himalaya's - a.k.a HIGH ALTITUDE Argument Status: [ ] Intact [ ] Damaged [ ] Destroyed [X] Obliterated 2 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:57pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
agaugust: Proved them all wrong already. Hence I can say that they are lies. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:59pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
[size=15pt]A [updated] round up of the weeks lies as told by Augubgugug 1. China developed a new wire-guided ATGM in the 2000's 2. Biafran civil war involved 500 000 men 3. Nigeria has 660 feild guns 4. UNITA had 120 000 men 5. 300 SANDF fought in CAR 6. Nigeria has Base-Bleed 155mm shells 7. Bofors FH77B with Excalibur munitions can acheive a range of 60km Isnt this the same guy who left the thread after accusing us South Africans of telling lies?[/size] 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 4:08pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
lezz: Buhahahahah.... 2 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:11pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Patchesagain: [size=14pt]UNITA joined forces with FNLA that had over 20,000 soldiers to add to UNITA SADF was counted at 20,000 men, total with UNITA and FNLA is over 100,000 already. You were the one telling lies that 4,000 SADF defeated 150,000 MPLA and Cubans Go read history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_Civil_War [/size] 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:14pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
agaugust: Still quoting wikipedia? Brah, UNITA numbers were 60 000 - from a real citation http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yNemVdadVxcC&pg=PA562&lpg=PA562&dq=UNITA+forces+65,000&source=bl&ots=7HjtLpBMfz&sig=HJiARq5j3QPKDYBLhGdvd8pj7po&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tog7UbaUG4uS7AbtroBQ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=UNITA%20forces%2065%2C000&f=false And 60 000 + 20 000 =/= 120 000 Remember, you said 120 000 UNITA forces? Must I quote where you said that again to remind you? And you were the one who said 4000 SADF, not me. Your argument is collapsing in on itself. Twist and turn all you want, your lies are on record for all to see 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 4:16pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Patchesagain: you're still the one who peddles lies and twisted stats like hot patotatoes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:16pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
lezz: Feel free to debunk them. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:21pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Patchesagain: Show me Indian artillery on Himalayas mountain top, fired from there, yet the guns tyres did not roll down mountain steep slope Bofors FH-77B fires same series of shells as Bofors Archer including Excalibur 60km range. The 60km is not the gun, but the shell that carries rocket assistance, the extra rocket is not on the gun, its on the shell....fool All videos of Indian army shows the Bofors on flat ground, not on steep slippery sliding snow covered mountain slope....fool They were on ground and fired into mountains to dislodge Pakistani army that occupied disputed mountains....fool [img]http://www.bcmtouring.com/forum/attachments/p1080147.jpg-174494d1310496880[/img] |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:31pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
agaugust: This is beyond desperate on your part. The gun is clearly seen in the Himalayas mountain range. The Himalayas have an average elevation of 6,100m. This is known as high altitude. Just for reference, the highest point in Africa is 5,895 meters. Why you are talking about slopes and such is beyond me. No, the FH77B and Archer do not fire the same ammunition. I know exactly what VLAP is and I never said it had anything to do with the gun. The Archer has the L52 designation meaning that it has a 52 liter chamber. This is significantly bigger than the chamber of the FH77B. The bigger chamber allows the firing of bigger shells. The shells need to be bigger so that you can attach the VLAP system. Yet again, you are having a big fat argument with someone, and yet you have no idea what you are saying. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:31pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Patchesagain: I didnt care about exact numbers, because its an old old argument I have posted before, there are many different sources and I dont care to waste my time on it after 2 years os repeating the same old story. UNITA had FNLA joined together with them, UNITA was not alone, I just didnt care to list names of all those in the war. I dont have time for trivial issues and repeating old stories like a stammerer. All I proved is SANDF 4,000 men did not fight 150,000 MPLA and Cubans, or else the Cubans will capture Cape Town in 7 days You posted a big and unrealistic lie and I crushed it with one blow, now you are butt hurt. . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:35pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Patchesagain: #Show me photo of Indian Bofors artillery gun on Himalayas mountain TOP . |
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