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Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by vooks: 4:25am On Nov 18, 2014 |
When you corner pro-tithers with their glaring inconsistencies as far as their tithing is concerned when contrasted with Mosaic Law, they sheepishly claim that they tithe 'under faith' as Abraham and not 'under Law' as Moses. In other words, they appeal to the pre-Mosaic instances of tithing. Can you imagine somebody offering animal sacrifices to God 'under faith' just as Abraham and not 'under Law' like Moses? Why do they stop at Abrahamic tithing? Why not circumcise 'under faith' just as Abraham? They may as well marry their step-sisters,keep concubines and claim they are following Abraham and not Moses! chysam: 2 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Nobody: 6:16am On Nov 18, 2014 |
chysam:Another fanatick on the loose. All i see in your post is an argument that borders on zeal and legalism, kindly go through the post of vooks and understand my response to him, i am never an advocate of what you erroneously accuse me of here. You are placing yourself as a judge over matters involving christian liberty to tithe which is as far as am concerned a form of giving. Your arguments borders on extremism and i will show you from scriptures. When the Corinthians wrote to Paul they asked, "What about these Christians who are eating meat offered to idols?" A group of them were upset about this and they wrote to the apostle, saying, "We don't think that is right; to us that is demon worship." But Paul wrote back and said, "Now be careful!" He said, in effect, "It would be the easiest thing in the world for me, as an apostle, simply to say, 'Yes, you are right, don't eat meat offered to idols,' but I am not going to say that. What I am going to say is that here is an area where each man must be fully persuaded in his own mind. You can't make rules for each other, and you have to honor a weaker brother's conscience. If he is troubled by a certain action then don't flaunt your liberty in his presence, but be careful of one another and love each other. This is a graphical illustration of what your argument is plainly saying to us here. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by vooks: 6:39am On Nov 18, 2014 |
Go easy my brother. The biggest argument I have against tithing is IMPOSING the same and pronouncing curses on non-compliance. See you can't possibly give without compulsion and as you purpose while am dictating how much you MUST give Thank you for using the words in blue...Christian liberty A believer who gives 10% out of discipline and habit is blessed. Another who gives 20% is blessed. Equally blessed is the other who gives arbitrally without regard to percentages Bidam: 3 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Nobody: 6:47am On Nov 18, 2014 |
vooks:I agree, i do not agree tithers on this forum advocate such, most topics on tithes on this forum are opened by anti tithers and very few by tithers.No one is FORCING a christian to give. If he doesn't want to give that's between him and his God. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by vooks: 6:53am On Nov 18, 2014 |
My brother, On another thread, somebody claimed that they caught HIV out of not giving Firstfruits. Can you say that anyone is forced to give Firstfruits? I specifically asked anyone who believes failure to offer Firstfruits can lead to a believer contracting HIV and none came up. Why is this? These teachings are rife in CHURCHES but everybody is embarrassed about them so much that they don't talk about it. Likewise,nobody will admit to their MoG threatening curses on non-tithers but we both know these things are there. So nobody is FORCED say at gunpoint to tithe but the tithing message presented in churches leave little to imagination; either you tithe or devourers finish you off and you end up in hell. So I'd say there is alot of spiritual blackmail practiced in giving/prosperity messages. Bidam: 3 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Nobody: 7:06am On Nov 18, 2014 |
vooks:And i have not seen any so far, if they are threatened then it's wrong. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by trustman: 7:24am On Nov 18, 2014 |
Bidam: Now, Bidam, are you really being truthful on this? Will you say you've heard or read no person or church advocating tithe payment today 'threatening' believers with 'robbing God' and the eventual possibility of ending up in hell? Or losing blessings or health, etc? 3 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by shdemidemi(m): 7:36am On Nov 18, 2014 |
Bidam: Hmm.. Akiika! 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by MarkMiwerds(m): 7:38am On Nov 18, 2014 |
Bidam:i have posted this more than once on this forum, so not sure why you haven't seen it? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmh_IF-eJQc Also, google Angelica Zumbranos, she tells people that she saw people in hell for not tithing. If I remember correctly, Richard Sigmund also preached non-tithers would go to hell because they are robbing God. Practically every tithe-teaching preacher I have ever known tells their congregations their health, jobs, families, homes, vehicles, etc., will be cursed for not tithing. 2 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by vooks: 7:51am On Nov 18, 2014 |
I recall this question came up in that moderated debate. Image123 categorically denied threats and curses too. Their defense was they never threatened nobody on NL. But neither did they condemn them. This is hypocrisy. How do we have regular folks terrified of catching HIV because of not offering Firstfruits? Who taught them thus? Did they imagine these things? The point is there is massive spiritual abuse practiced to make believers part with their money. Paul's formula of giving 'without compulsion' and 'as you purpose' is clearly inadequate to feed their greed. Why would a minister go to such ridiculous extents to collect money? Is it in the interest of the believers or themselves? Your guess is as good as mine Bidam: trustman: MarkMiwerds: 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by PastorKun(m): 8:45am On Nov 18, 2014 |
Bidam: I am not surprised by the bolded statement coming from you, like your partner in crime image123 you are obviously a pathological liar. 6 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by MarkMiwerds(m): 9:24am On Nov 18, 2014 |
Listening to a Pastor Mike Hilson of New Life Church teaching that not tithing to God first, puts one in exile and under a curse. If Bidam has never heard pastors preach curses for those who don't tithe, then the only conclusion I can arrive at is 1. He is deaf or 2. He has never been to Church or 3. He is secretly listening to mp3's while the pastor is preaching and therefore does not hear him. 6 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Kingdompartaker: 9:52am On Nov 18, 2014 |
John 8 vs 32: And ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you FREE. 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by chysam: 2:24pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
Bidam: Yet again,you could not give us a very simple and clear explanation regarding the subject matter. I am not bothered about whatever you may call me as it certainly look good on me. My dear brother,Tithe is not just a form of giving,it is a form of "MANDATORY" given which christians were and are still never subjected to.Please do away with such erroneus misinterpretation.it is simply dogmatism.Now let me help you with a simplier question since the first always look very hard for pro-tithers. How did early christians raise funds for their ministry?.This is a much easier question that has all the answers in the bible except if otherwise proven by you.in any case,please let us hear sincerely from you again.Please take nothing personal ok?. We are listening. 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by PastorKun(m): 3:25pm On Nov 18, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: or 4. He is a bare faced liar who would go to any extent to cover up the tithe fraud preached in churches today. 5 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by christemmbassey(m): 2:38pm On Nov 19, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds:or HE IS A BIG LIAR! 3 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Nobody: 6:54am On Nov 20, 2014 |
christemmbassey: trustman: shdemidemi: PastorKun: MarkMiwerds: PastorKun:The gospel truth is i have not SEEN any so far. You folks can go chase the wind or shadow for all i care. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by trustman: 7:00am On Nov 20, 2014 |
Bidam: In that case, we may have to conclude that Mark, pastorkun and others have rightly labelled you. 4 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by vooks: 7:07am On Nov 20, 2014 |
My brother, you may not have SEEN but have you HEARD or READ it anywhere? Bidam: 2 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Nobody: 7:08am On Nov 20, 2014 |
vooks:Yes, from you and your cohorts. I came from a muslim background. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Nobody: 7:09am On Nov 20, 2014 |
trustman:Ok, keep accusing the guiltless. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by vooks: 7:11am On Nov 20, 2014 |
Have you ever heard tithing taught from Malachi outside NL in a church? Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Nobody: 7:13am On Nov 20, 2014 |
vooks:Nope, should i be hopping from church to church to hear it? |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by vooks: 7:17am On Nov 20, 2014 |
Have you ever heard tithing taught in church? Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Nobody: 8:09am On Nov 20, 2014 |
vooks:In the church i worship, tithing is taught as a voluntary form of giving. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by vooks: 8:27am On Nov 20, 2014 |
And in teaching tithing in your church Malachi is never used? Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Nobody: 8:39am On Nov 20, 2014 |
vooks:My thoughts on Mlachi is on this thread if you care to read them. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by MarkMiwerds(m): 8:39am On Nov 20, 2014 |
vooks:Isn't it funny that Bidam says tithing is voluntary in his Church, yet he teaches if you don't tithe you are robbing God? LoL https://www.nairaland.com/1540233/inviting-tithers-theological-discuss-miwerds/17#20153067 3 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by Nobody: 8:43am On Nov 20, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds:So where did i place a curse on the fellow? The issue is on cursing not on robbing. |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by PastorKun(m): 8:51am On Nov 20, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: Don't mind the useless hypocrite. 1 Like |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by trustman: 8:55am On Nov 20, 2014 |
Bidam: Look at the question you were asked: vooks: Then look at your answer. What do you make of that? I say again that we may have to conclude that Mark, pastorkun and others have rightly labelled you. 2 Likes |
Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by vooks: 8:56am On Nov 20, 2014 |
Does your church ever use Malachi in teaching the voluntary practice of tithing? A simple Yes/No will do Bidam: |
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