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Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by Hiswordxray(m): 6:48pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
plaetton: What concern Santa Clause with what we are saying. This is totally off point. I can't believe you don't know what else to say. haayer... sorry that problem must be really serious. Instead of suffering why not ask for help? God can cure any problem you have. |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by plaetton: 6:53pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Hiswordxray:The fact that you turned what supposed to be a discussion on historicity of Jesus into personal attacks show just how hollow and low IQ level you are coming from. I always wonder why Jesus/god would choose absolute m.o.rons to spread his universal truths. 4 Likes |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by Hiswordxray(m): 6:58pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
plaetton: And just don't get upset when we remind you that you are only lying to yourself and you have a lot of problem and suffering only God could solve. Why not end your suffering and problem, and just come to God, let him cure you. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by plaetton: 7:19pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Hiswordxray: Liberia and Sierra Leone should be more than enough problems for god to solve right now. Don't you think? Children of a retired god. Lol. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by Hiswordxray(m): 7:43pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
plaetton: Nothing is too much for God to solve and he has just enough to for you too. Just allow him. |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by wiegraf: 8:19pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Hiswordxray: What exactly do you think you just achieved? 2 Likes
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Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by Hiswordxray(m): 9:45pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
wiegraf: And why are you calling for my attention? Do you also need help? Do you have some problem which you need God to help you with? Ok then, what your problem? |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by Hiswordxray(m): 9:45pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
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Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by wiegraf: 2:48am On Nov 22, 2014 |
^^^^ Hiswordxray: Is your brain so diseased you forget you quoted me first? What was that, less than 24 hours ago? Were you not the one accusing me of telling the 'biggest' lie ever, making fo.olish contradictions, having a troubled conscience blah blah?? Hope you aren't trying some subterfuge with some superb mumu-ism? I hope you genuinely aren't this mo.ronic (though it clearly seems that way, given your responses so far...) Anyhoo, I'll try one last time, because I'm a good guy. As I noticed a distinct lack of an answer, once again, please answer; what exactly do you think you achieved with that your post? 1 Like
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Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by Hiswordxray(m): 8:23am On Nov 22, 2014 |
wiegraf: Oh! am sorry, I forgot but you don't need to use all those abusive words. Any to answer your question: " 12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account." (Heb 4:12-13). "For the weapons of our warfare are not physical [weapons of flesh and blood], but they are mighty before God for the overthrow and destruction of strongholds, [Inasmuch as we] refute arguments and theories and reasonings and every proud and lofty thing that sets itself up against the [true] knowledge of God; and we lead every thought and purpose away captive into the obedience of Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One)," (2Cor 10:4-5). You can't denial that these words penetrate your heart and you can lie to yourself all you want to but deep down you know this is the truth. |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by honourhim: 9:45am On Nov 22, 2014 |
Hiswordxray: Young man, since you started claiming that you have God's wisdom while I am using the wisdom of man to preach, I ve not seen any positive impact you are making in the lives of the unbelievers. Now kindly get rid of the pride in you and cool down. Stop claiming what you are not. |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by sinequanon: 12:19pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
You can easily do the same for science. [size=16pt]The fundamental axioms of science are infallible -- (The whole universe is govern by repeatable, reproducible, unchanging law and logic).[/size] But how can you be so sure that the axioms are infallible? [size=16pt]Because we have evidence and proof that tell us they are.[/size] But what do you mean by evidence? [size=16pt]Anything that obeys the laws and logic of science.[/size] But how do you know that applies to everything? [size=16pt]The fundamental axioms of science are infallible -- (The whole universe is govern by repeatable, reproducible, unchanging law and logic).[/size] So, you just filter out what you don't want to like, and bingo! you have truth. www.nairaland.com/attachments/1883472_780pxbiblecycle_jpeg6eb8159e577f1d414c012eaa35feeb37 1 Like |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by wiegraf: 8:30pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
sinequanon: ![]() sinequanon: Didn't you just answer yourself?? sinequanon: No, ser clown. Let's start with simple wiki (frankly, not going to waste too much time on your likes looking up sources etc, so this would have to do) wiki: Or you know what, mayhaps your definition just above is near as good. Refreshing your memory..... sinequanon: Hope that clears that up, yes? Evidence, proof, as opposed to, you know, faith (especially the blind sort y'all peddle) sinequanon: We don't, to everything. We do know they apply to everything that relates to us. Ie, they apply to everything in this universe. Or do you have any evidence that suggests otherwise? Heck, even mathematical. Please share. For instance, I, or the scientific community, can point out that if stuff were moving about faster than light in this universe, why aren't we seeing the inevitable effects of such, eg, time travelers from the future? If entropy were void, why haven't we encountered any system, even a logical theoretical model, that does not violate the principles? You also do know that these finely tuned constants that govern the universe, constants you guys usually use to justify Creationism, eg the power of the main forces, deviated even extremely slightly than this universe would be radically different, yes? Here, let me help die hard creatards wiki: Yet everywhere we look around, we see all these phenoma. Eg, that slight change in Epilson and there'd be no stars anywhere. Look through a microscope and explain all those lights away please. Hmm, how did stars form in these regions with different laws to ours please? Your evidence, even logical, abeg. sinequanon: Once again, good ser clown, we filter out what cannot be proven or what is illogical, shown to be false, etc. Like you intimidated above before you enter bush. Can you back up your claim, yes or no? If it's wishy washy nonsense, which you obviously, clearly, definitely cannot backup, it isn't science. This is not nuclear science, it is not hard to understand. I hope you get it? Next time please quote me directly if you expect a reply else I might miss it. Though I don't really enjoy wasting time with people who should know better (ie, assuming you qualify as one). It infuriates one when he has to point out the obvious to someone who should know better. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by sinequanon: 8:42pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
wiegraf: Sorry, you are too thick for me to deal with, which is why my post didn't mention you. Only stupid laypeople think the way you do. Scientists generally understand that there is an element of faith in science, and there are branches of philosophy questioning that faith -- dumbo. |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by wiegraf: 6:04am On Nov 23, 2014 |
sinequanon: Nah, you were weary of being schooled. And you were, as this is no response. Rather, a pathetic retreat. Now, please do run along and report me to your imaginary friends or whatever. And find fellow professional armchair philosophers (that so love to circlejerk about how awesome they are) like yourself, who you can confuse by equating the fact that scientific truths are provisional into meaning science relies on faith, ignoring the whole evidence part. EDITED 4 Likes |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by sinequanon: 1:24pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
wiegraf: Ignoring your hopeless retreat back into your circular "evidence" argument (can't you read?), this is the first attempt at something sensible that I have seen you post. But it is wrong. You can call "nothing travels faster than the speed of light" a "provisional truth" in the sense that it is a "working assumption" that is so far deemed consistent with scientific thinking. But, "the whole universe is govern by repeatable, reproducible, unchanging law and logic" is not a "provisional truth" in science. It is an absolute truth in science. It is not falsifiable from within science, because science allows no way for that to happen. As I mentioned earlier, you are too thick to see the difference. So perhaps someone with intelligence could take up your point on your behalf. |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by plaetton: 3:57pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
sinequanon: The truth is that you make little sense to anyone. You pretend to be living an alternate universe where the universe bends according to your word definitions. You are like a food critic who relishes in criticizing meals he has never and could never prepare. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by Hiswordxray(m): 4:32pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
wiegraf: If you love science so much and you are so passionate about science why will you have time to argue with religious fools like us? Why aren't you somewhere enjoying and being amaze by the awesome knowledge of science? Why exactly are you in religion section? Are you getting bored of science? Or do you have an vacuum in your heart that science can fill? Are you suffering from a heartache that science can't cure? Is your heart crying desperately for help? Then ask for help and you will find help. |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by Hiswordxray(m): 4:37pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
plaetton: And you when will you stop fighting it? Why do you keep telling yourself that you are better than those religious people? Does telling yourself lies really make you feel better? When will you come out to the light and be true to yourself? 1 Like |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by wiegraf: 4:41pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
sinequanon: Mr intelligence, I addressed this nonsense in my first post. you're so clear sighted you missed it it seems oya, again, tell me how stars formed under different conditions. in fact, do tell how a universe without universal, unchanging natural laws does not equate to chaos I await, oh 'sophisticated' armchair oga 1 Like |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by wiegraf: 4:56pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
plaetton: trying different flavors of invisible pink unicorn meat 1 Like |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by plaetton: 4:59pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Hiswordxray:Let me tell you, I never ever judge anyone on the basis of religious belief. In a perfect society , people that believe in 72 heavenly virgins, people that believe in talking snakes, people that believe in a flying spaghetti monster, as well as that have no beliefs can get along and not inconvience or be s nuisance to one another. The problem with you folks is that you go on TV, newspapers and other public media to make claims that go against the grains of common sense and rational thoughts, then when we rebuke, repudiate and mock you, you take offence. The very fact that you spend time attacking Christian and other religious beliefs that go against yours ought to make you realize that your own beliefs shall always fall under strutiny as well. The ongoing TB Joshua Tragi-Comedy clearly demonstrate the dangers of large members of society subscribing to worldviews founded on delusions and perpetuated by fraud,...and led by an illiterate. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by sinequanon: 5:07pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
plaetton: See, another empty post that addresses nothing. Nobody reading this would have the slightest clue what the thread title may be. You just waffle and think you are talking for everyone. I am telling you to avoid the problem of definitions. If you mean "conforms to the fundamental ASSUMPTIONS of science", be explicit -- say so, and stop hiding your circularity behind words like "evidence" and "proof". |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by plaetton: 5:17pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
sinequanon:What have you ever addressed in this forum? You want us to indulge in word- chasing with you? I wish I could honestly convince you that I actually read and reread your posts because I really want understand where you are coming from. Honestly. But I see are just waffle waffle babbles. No substance whatsoever. So maybe you should come down, stop hiding behind obtuse words and definitions, and allow us to really hear you... 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by sinequanon: 5:55pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
plaetton: You are dishonest, so stop pretending you are not. It is quite simple. All you have to do is tell me the first statement you disagree with of the following three. 1. Science makes the ASSUMPTION that we live in a universe entirely governed by fixed, unchanging, repeatable, reproducible laws. 2. Science only accepts as "evidence", "proof", "rational observation" explanations that conform to this ASSUMPTION. 3. Therefore this ASSUMPTION is not falsifiable using science, and hence is not scientific. There is nothing "obtuse" there, so stop being dishonest and fooling yourself. Your problem is with your ideas not holding up. |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by plaetton: 6:13pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
sinequanon:I have nothing to be dishonest about. I have nothing to peddle and nothing worth protecting with dishonesty. I pay serious attention to viewpoints different from mine, so I may learn something that I may not know. You seem to have your own secret definition of what rationality means. If the laws of the mechanistic universe, the laws upon which we have built our knowledge base, our technologies, our material comforts, our manipulation of nature to survive, are all just convenient assumptions, then KINDLY tell is what is real. We are eager to learn , if you have an insight to offer. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by sinequanon: 6:20pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
plaetton: You are dishonest! Even with yourself. You have simply evaded the question. Which is the first of the three points do you disagree with? Why not answer first before trying to move to another question. 1. Science makes the ASSUMPTION that we live in a universe entirely governed by fixed, unchanging, repeatable, reproducible laws. 2. Science only accepts as "evidence", "proof", "rational observation" explanations that conform to this ASSUMPTION. 3. Therefore this ASSUMPTION is not falsifiable using science, and hence is not scientific. What is your answer, 1, 2 or 3. Is that so difficult? |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by plaetton: 6:36pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
sinequanon: When I ignore your questions, it's my hint that your questions are silly, for want of a better word. I feel it's a condescension for me to attempt to answer questions framed on convoluted logic. If I start , we will end up running in circles. If you cannot see the contradictions in your own questions, then your questions are useless. Besides, had we not addressed those issues on another thread ? Let me help you. What is assumotion, what is observation, what is evidence? Give me your definitions of the above, and we might actually get somewhere. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by sinequanon: 6:51pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
plaetton: Stop lying to yourself. You are doing what every other religion does. You are stumped and trying to obfuscate, spin and divert the debate. Q.E.D No need for any further back and forth. |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by plaetton: 6:59pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
sinequanon:You are just obsessed with labeling atheism, the non-belief in god, religion. Go ahead , knock yourself out. Does it give you a hard on? It's funny that you delude yourself that you are actually having a debate. What are we debating, and what points have advanced to support your position? This is the common trait with pretenders. They run around in circles so much so that they forget what they were arguing about. |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by Hiswordxray(m): 7:00pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
plaetton:First l am not religious, I don't belong to any denomination and I am not really into all those many doctrines. All I am is someone who has found a God who loves me with an everlasting love. And I am not offering you a religion but I am offering you love, for my God is love. I am intoxicated with the love of God and I have seen the heart of a loving Father who only desire to show you how much he loves you. It brakes his heart to see you pass by everyday and not able to experience his love. All he ask is that you allow him express his love for you. He doesn't what to give you the burden of religion and confusing doctrine. All he wants is that you be an outlet for his all consuming love and his restless passion. Is that too much to ask? |
Re: Atheists More Likely To Self-destruct And Commit Suicide! by sinequanon: 7:20pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
plaetton: That you are a liar. Simple as. You can't fact the question, so you lie. |
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