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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:38am On Nov 26, 2014 |
vooks:No one in Christ is diseased.Get that and you are home free. I keep wondering why folks like you keep propagating a diseased false demonic gospel. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:44am On Nov 26, 2014 |
Matters Arising On the issue of circumcision I want to believe we're now in agreement that it is NOT a precondition for anything today for the Christian. That was what Romans 4 clearly explained. "9 Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. 10 How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised. 11 He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well," This agrees with the position at the Jerusalem Council. At that council this was said about some of them: "But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses." (Acts 15:9). At the end of the council the Apostles and others agreed through the Holy Spirit to this: "28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell." That decision through the Holy Spirit cancelled any necessity for physical circumcision as a precondition for anything in the spiritual life of the Christian. That decision also cancelled the necessity for any other observance, such as TITHING, as a requirement under the spiritual life of the Christian. In addition, there is NOWHERE in scripture that talks about nor recommend the so-called 'tithing by faith'. Not one. So, trying to justify the necessity for tithing by such a name is a fallacy. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 8:46am On Nov 26, 2014 |
Gombs: vooks: Gombs: ![]() I know you didnt drive down to the IPPC CONFERENCE but still believe you are familiar with and/or understand the above Highway Code signs - one is a prohibition/order sign the other is a warning sign As far as I know, no one as in, not WinsomeX, Candour, Shdemidemi, trustman and the rest of the crew have given the first sign but rather it has been a case of waving or flagging the second sign (i.e. the Warning sign) So now Gombs, should one encourage a Christian to WARN about tithing If Yes, why discourage a Christian to WARN on tithing then?. Why STOPPING a Christian to give WARNING(s) on tithing? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:46am On Nov 26, 2014 |
Why then should you curse a fellow believer with schizophrenia? Don't do that again. Polish your jokes Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 9:02am On Nov 26, 2014 |
vooks: You acted like you were na! ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 9:03am On Nov 26, 2014 |
vooks:Ok, my apologies then, but don't forget you are also guilty of the same thing you accuse me of, you once mentioned curing my disease in your post. ![]() |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 9:05am On Nov 26, 2014 |
Gombs: ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 9:07am On Nov 26, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: You can warn a Christian to stop tithing iF AND ONLY IF you have a scripture condeming tithing in its entirety. Until then, you have no right or set of rights, jurisdiction either comically, morally, theologically or arbitrarily to try and manipulate, conjure, coerce and/or lie to anyone to STOP or WARN them about paying their tithes. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 9:09am On Nov 26, 2014 |
Gombs:^^^ I give up. Facepalm. SMH 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 9:11am On Nov 26, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: Wise choice buddy! You cannot blockbthe sun with one finger. Go and sin no more, your sins are forgiven you. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 9:14am On Nov 26, 2014 |
There is something sick about mocking diseased and the physically handicapped. Gombs: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 9:15am On Nov 26, 2014 |
AM guilty, profuse apologies my broda. I can't recall doing it but apologies nevertheless Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 9:20am On Nov 26, 2014 |
It is insensitivity to the diseased that is sickening not vooks falling ill Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 9:23am On Nov 26, 2014 |
Gombs still insist that physical circumcision is a means of identifying with the promise. Circumcision has ZERO spiritual value to no Christian. Can he confirm that he stands by this? Gombs: What is 'identifying with the promise'? Are the uncircumcised Christians disadvantaged in ANY way for not 'identifying with the promise'? trustman: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 10:21am On Nov 26, 2014 |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 10:29am On Nov 26, 2014 |
Bidam: vooks: Don't be mischievous by quoting half-truths to make us equal. I made it clear what your problem with. Whenever you do that, 1. You disrupt a debate that had nothing to do with you 2. Waste my time in bringing you to speed to the subject 3.Waste other participants' time as they patiently wait for you to be brought to speed Compare that with calling me schizophrenic out of blues and prescribing drugs. And worse is REPEATING the same after apologizing. It means your apology was mere lip service. You have even infected Gombs with the disease 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 10:36am On Nov 26, 2014 |
vooks:Quit the utter nonsense, you said you never called me such, i highlighted where you did, so what's all this misleading misinformation you have against me which are nothing but your mere preconceived opinions BTW? I also made it clear what your problem was when i asked you a question and you started quoting irrelevancies. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 10:49am On Nov 26, 2014 |
Take time and UNDERSTAND the flow of a debate before jumping in. Is that too hard for you? I called your disease BUTTING INTO DEBATES IN IGNORANCE. You said I had schizophrenia severally and prescribed drugs. That is super sick. Those are people like you my brother. Pick intelligent insults that have nothing to do with the lame,maimed or sick. Rain on me 247, I can handle that. Am immune ![]() Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 11:08am On Nov 26, 2014 |
vooks:Was the debate not on tithe where you brought in animal sacrifice and circumcision and reducdito nonsense. Is that to hard for you? I called your disease BUTTING INTO DEBATES IN IGNORANCE.Your preconceived opinion my broda which has no legs to stand. You said I had schizophrenia severally and prescribed drugs. That is super sick. Those are people like you my brother. Pick intelligent insults that have nothing to do with the lame,maimed or sick. Rain on me 247, I can handle that. Am immuneGo back and understand my posts, i asked you a question, you started quoting coveting scripture that has nothing to do with God but humans. God is not a man. You don't use such scripture and automatically say it applies to God when God never made it such.Such notions is a schizophrenic idea. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 11:10am On Nov 26, 2014 |
Gombs: is any Christian permitted to tell the following lies to manipulate, conjure, coerce, force, push or confuse Christians to pay tithes or give? Oyakhilome https://www.nairaland.com/393253/rhapsody-realities-daily-devotional/9#8071513 WHY WE GIVE OUR FIRST FRUITS? (THE BENEFITS) Adeboye In Malachi 3:8-11, God said all His children who are robbing Him in tithes and offerings have violated His covenant, and therefore are under a divine curse. However, He says if they will restitute their ways, He will personally rebuke the devourer for their sakes and open the windows of Heaven to them and give them a blessing they will be unable to contain. There are two type of devourers – the ones sent by the devil (John 10:10) and the ones sent by God. To deal with the devourers sent by the devil, simply resist him and he will flee from you as long as you are in right standing before God. But to deal with the devourers sent by God, it is through restitution. You will have to cry to God for forgiveness and thereafter undo what made Him to send the devourers in the first place. Do you owe God in tithes, offerings, thanksgiving or vows? Ask for forgiveness and go ahead and pay what you owe. If it is in tithes, also add 20% as interest being the penalty or eating your tithes (Leviticus 27:31). Pat Robertson Quoting Malachi, Robertson responded, “Your husband has all these medical problems because the ‘devourer’ has not been rebuked. You need to rebuke him. You give your tithes faithfully and God said, ‘I will rebuke the devourer,’ the person that is eating up your money and eating up your health. So you want to be healthy? That’s a promise in the Word.” Among others too numerous to mention. do you think its a christian thing to do? 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 11:17am On Nov 26, 2014 |
Gombs: i have told u plenty times i'm not interested in stopping you from tithing. you are free to pay 90% of your income as tithe (as some claim to do).see what transpired between you and i some days ago Gombs: Candour: https://www.nairaland.com/1957135/midas-touch-balanced-approach-biblical/80#28245401 Infact i must have stated the below as my motivation for engaging in these arguments a lot of times (trust you and others wont claim you've not read it in my posts before). my motivation is against the lies below 1. If you don't pay tithe, you're a robber and of course hell bound 2. If you don't pay tithe , you're cursed 3. IF you don't pay tithe, you'll be attacked by devourers like sickness, marital problems, car problems, accidents, business losses etc 4. if you don't pay tithe, you'll not be blessed by God etc As long as you don't threaten Christians with the above, go ahead and pay everything you have as tithe. They're yours to do with as you like 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 11:17am On Nov 26, 2014 |
How do you claim that Reductio ad Absurdum is not found in the Bible? Please tell me it was a joke. You were unwinding after a long day right? ![]() EDUCATE yourself on the progress of a debate and then contribute your two mites. Should this prove impossible, stay on the sidelines and watch brains at work ![]() PS: it is REDUCTIO not reducdito. Of course it is nonsense, how can it make sense to you? ![]() ![]() Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 12:03pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
vooks:It was a typo error which i knew you guessed but wanted to play pranks, i am not interested in a logic which doesn't agree with bible sense. Pls refer to the beginning of the the debate i recommended the risperidone. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 12:28pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
of course it was a typo. Those are the kind of jokes I can make do. Not mocking sick folk. I have labored so hard in your life, I am entitled to your tithe this month. I will give you my paypal account shortly. Aight? Bidam: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 12:33pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: This is even more Gibberisher than the previous post. Let me pace myself a bit with you since you are not as quick-witted as I had overestimated you to be. If I was to tell you instances of Tetraplegics and Palsy sufferers who got healed instantly by the anointing of God, you would have disbelieved them even if I provided videos for you. Secondly, your incredulity is not limited to the Pastor I would have referred you to: it encompasses even many others abroad and ahome (on earth and in heaven for e.g Kenneth Hagin). So it made absolutely no sense for me to honor your questions with the sort of reply you were craving for. Lastly, you made a fallacy of Generalizing Hastily by making it seem like 'ALL' Healing school ministers avoided patients with the conditions above when you have NEVER attended any of the healing schools to corroborate such a statement. The same way you asserted that Christopher Columbus helped prove Galileos discoveries right even when Columbus had died before Galileo was born. I am sure you realise you are a tad too whimsical in your responses and they have always come back to bite you where the sun doesn't shine. Now, let it be that none of the WOF or WOF related ministers I know have healed anyone suffering from the 2 conditions you mentioned. Let it be that the testimonies they have were all stage-managed. You who believes in Yahweh that heals, can you provide any evidences to back that claim or is it just hot-air (again) ? I.e are you just throwing the I-believe-Yahweh-can-heal-those-things line, even when you don't really believe? PS: I ignored all your nonsense about verbatim quotes and the likes. You were dishonest enough to refuse to admit your Eve-serpent-sex, Kenneth Hagin-Apostle, Tower of Babel was mythical goof (s) so I don't expect you to take the humble route and keep mum now. And you have the temerity to call someone incorrigible and wallowing in ignorance? Hahahahahahaha! 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 12:42pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
Candour: My man, your stand is noted, but are you saying you never discoraged giving of tithes oustide the above numbered? In plain terms, are you saying you never condemned paying of tithes in its entirety? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 12:44pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
vooks: Bro, you're off your game today. Hope all is well. I explained to you why mentioning the numbers was necessary SOMETIMES and you admitted to it, so the only case you should be making is that the numbers were thrown about inappositely and you are yet to do so. What I mean is: Someone claimed to be making impact with his own thread and Gombs proved that he was not. When the issue was posed back at Gombs, he proved why he was making the said impact by providing his own numbers. That's in order. If someone says your church isn't making any impact, what bible passage should he use to debate it? None man. All he has to do is to throw his numbers to buttress his claims while to rebutting the zero-impact claim tossed at him. Period. I am sure you understand. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 12:47pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Amazing the nerves that bloke has, huh? ![]() ![]() His fellow board member who sold his honesty and integrity for a morsel of pounded yam has the moral thought to tread same line he is, calling another ignorant and in denial, one wonders whether they discuss these in the board room! |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 12:52pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
vooks: This is a stand you have to take to make your stance on tithing worth its salt. There is TITHING and there is FREEWILL GIVING. There is no fixed % on the latter but the former means 10% or one-tenth. It basically defines itself. If anyone wants to tithe he MUST not give less than 10% otherwise it is not a tithe. Whereas if anyone wants to give anything freewillingly then he is free to do so underzero compulsion. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 12:52pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
Gombs: Ha ha ha bro. I tire for the matter. I have encountered him before. He can switch positions like a contortionist and yet maintain that that had been his position all along. For example, can you see how circumcision was for ISRAEL AND ONLY ISRAEL yet Ismael was circumcised? Or how Abraham- a Gentile, was circumcised too? Maybe Abraham didn't get the memo. True gospelers! 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 12:55pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
vooks: I wasn't joking, don't assume vaguely. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 12:56pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
My broda, That was sarcasm but it is well. It is dangerous to appeal to numbers to stall doctrinal examination. It is two-edged, it really motivates the good guys just as it does the deluded guys. use them for anything else like vanity cat fights but not to gauge the truth. Don't just hope am well, buy me a 128GB iPhone 6+ and it shall be well with my soul for the day ![]() PS: make it space gray mbaemeka: 1 Like |
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