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Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Maamin(m): 7:39pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
davien: Really..tell me more And as a result of this,the so called phenomena does not exist or is not real? |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Kay17: 8:02pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
sinequanon: Not just a matter of disagreement, but there are areas even in objectivity you don't seem to accede to. 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by davien(m): 9:10pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
Maamin:It is a label describing the consequence of mass present in space which creates a force of pull(or push)....that is termed gravity. You can demonstrate it by allowing any object with mass to free-fall. Gravity is as much as a descriptive term the same way the label(or term) given to the act of rapid acceleration of your feet is called "running".... So do you want to question "running" too? or ask how one can prove "running"? Now....ditch the tap dancing...and for the third time....have you any evidence/justification for your belief in a "god"? 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Nobody: 9:32pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
After reading some comments Lawd!!! But man,this forum is filled with really intelligent people.It reinforces my hope for Nigeria.Great Thread. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by italo: 10:20pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
Kay17: In a sense, they can. I thought you would show why Atheism cannot be considered a religion. But you didn't. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by italo: 10:25pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
datopdlink:You seem to be equating the use of big words with intelligence. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Kay17: 11:10pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
italo: What a magnanimous duty you place in my hands! That duty is best achieved by showing how overgeneralized your standard for religion is. 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Nobody: 11:43pm On Nov 26, 2014 |
italo:Well!I don't know what you're implying,but I'm not.I wonder how you arrived at your assertions.Anyway,just for the record,I know the intelligence I see on this forum very well,and it has nothing to do with "big" words,or its use.Thank you. 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Maamin(m): 7:43am On Nov 27, 2014 |
davien: Trash..gravity push or pull? ..did you create any force of gravity?..even the words you are typing here you didn't create. Why is the gravitational force of the earth pulling things to it centre why not away? Why is the universe so in order for thousands of years and will still be like that for as long as you can think..with the planet revolving in a specific pattern in their orbit? Which one of ur scientist gimmick put this in place ? |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by italo: 8:47am On Nov 27, 2014 |
Kay17: The English dictionaries overgeneralized, then. Not me. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by italo: 8:47am On Nov 27, 2014 |
datopdlink:The keyword in my post is "seem." |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by davien(m): 8:56am On Nov 27, 2014 |
Maamin:And the point you are making is what?.. Actually the earth's gravity can push objects away....its rotation creates a fly-by anomaly that can give an additional velocity. And the planets revolve the way they do because they keep to the law of conservation of momentum....they'll keep that initial velocity(u) they had at the time of their accretion.....including the heat(which is now situated at the core).. The solar system is filled with rogue planets(planets without a sun) so counting 9 planets out of billions that keep a conservation of momentum in the solar system as a sort of aha "it's designed" is quite redundant. No one claimed a scientist made anything natural....people do claim it being magically spoken into existence and that claim is what you've been avoiding ever since.. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Maamin(m): 10:15am On Nov 27, 2014 |
davien: And what are your evidence they were not magically spoken..for science to define a phenomena doesn't mean they created or found answers to it origin. Initial velocity must have been induced by something or force capable of doing that and keeping it constant for thousands of years..how many other billions of universe has life been discovered on?..not even Andromeda the closest to Milky Way has life on it. And you are here talking about no |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Nobody: 11:11am On Nov 27, 2014 |
italo:Seem=appear to be,have a semblance.You see it that way,and I don't know why.But your assumptions are yours,anyway. 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by davien(m): 11:16am On Nov 27, 2014 |
Maamin:Lol.... what evidence do I have that anything wasn't magically poofed into existence?....well for one....magic has never been established to be in existence nor demonstrated to poof objects into reality. And you are still running in circles with yourself here....no one stated he/she created any natural phenomena....we merely manipulate them to derive results that provide an understanding to them. Take for example this analogy.... If matter can curve space to create a force of pull/push(gravity),then the light approaching objects with tremendous mass would appear curved.. do we observe lensing of light? Yes. What happens to a spinning coke can if left spinning in a frictionless environment that has a lack of an atmosphere? ...does it conserve its momentum? If you are indeed a "science student" you'd know the answer to that... so the primordial earth as it accreted kept to its rotation... how many other billions of universe has life been discovered on?..not even Andromeda the closest to Milky Way has life on it.I think you mean galaxy not universe... And "life" as we know it has not been established to be lacking or in abundance in any galaxy..... The only place known to harbour life is the earth... Whether life is lacking or in abundance is a non sequitor. I wouldn't call the earth a precious tranquility when 2/3 of it is uninhabitable and its managed to kill 9/10 of all species... more like a plant that managed to grow within the cracks of a concrete pavement. And at best if we are ignorant of "life"....anyone postulating "magic" would just be making an argument from ignorance fallacy. 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by italo: 11:17am On Nov 27, 2014 |
datopdlink: It only seemed that way to me. You have corrected me. That is enough. Sorry for telling you how it seemed to me. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by italo: 11:19am On Nov 27, 2014 |
Maamin: No evidence! He just believes what some other Atheist must have said. Blind FAITH! |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Nobody: 11:21am On Nov 27, 2014 |
italo:No problem. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by sinequanon: 12:07pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
datopdlink: Thanks. Read up on it and clarified a few terms in my mind. Maybe the topic will come up in another thread sometime. 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Maamin(m): 12:45pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
italo: The same thing he accuses religious people for..smh! |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 1:08pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
italo: Are you seriously asking someone if he has evidence against the world being magically spoken into existence? It is things like this that make people see us Christians as gullible. Why not also ask if he has evidence against witches flying in the night. God didn't use magic. Science brings man closer to God. God uses science 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Maamin(m): 1:26pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
davien: And you know that the only planet known to harbour life is earth ..so how much of science break through was there to kick start the tiniest living organism on earth? Why is there no other intelligent life outside earth..why must earth orbital be soooo favourable? Which of you so called atheist scientists is responsible for it? |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by sinequanon: 1:32pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
Maamin: Here is a small thought experiment. Imagine there were no plants on Earth -- no grass, flowers or trees etc., just animals, insects and so forth, able to sustain themselves without plants. Now, imagine that we discovered a tree on another planet. Would we recognize it as life, or just some curious statue-like protrusion? |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by davien(m): 1:49pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
Maamin:please structure your posts well.... to all your questions about "who created this and that"... You have yet to prove them being "created"...hence your question does not follow.. And asking me why earths orbit is "so favourable" out of 100's of billions that aren't is like telling me I can't roll a die and get a 3 out of a trillion tries. Asking why scientists haven't found life is irrelevant to claims of "magic"... Even if the solar system had an abundance of life...it wouldn't still mean a "magic fairy" did it. Not being able to account for every single detail does not lead one to postulate "magic" |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by italo: 2:33pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
AllNaijaBlogger: It is Atheists who often ask people for proof of their claims. If such Atheist then says "God didn't use magic..." he can be asked to prove it. If he can't, we take it as his hypothesis, not fact. 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Maamin(m): 4:59pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
davien: No is not irrelevant is either you and your scientist dont know what you believe and defend vehemently or you are shying away from the truth. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Maamin(m): 5:06pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
sinequanon: Have you found any curious statue anywhere in the universe other than earth? Now why is earth so special whereby other billions of galaxies are dormant in respect to living organisms? That is my point Probability fall short of that here..you and Davien better dont come back with such statistic here |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by sinequanon: 5:45pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
Maamin: Another one who thinks it is about "who's side you are on". Theists think I am an atheist. Atheists think I am a theist. It is neither. It's called freedom of thought, and ability to think critically. You missed the point of my THOUGHT experiment. It is not about what has been discovered, but poses the question of how we would recognize lifeforms which take on a completely different form to the ones we are familiar with -- or even have no form in the conventional sense -- like a field. 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Weah96: 6:39pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
sinequanon: LOL, you're on that Joe Rogan weed. The answer is no. We wouldn't. That's why nature keeps us separated by sheer distance. Maybe there are even galaxies where planets are individuals, but how can a species like us ever understand those kinds of things without the psychedelics? 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Maamin(m): 7:03pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
sinequanon: Freedom of thought?..O dear! Am sorry to say this With all the above then you must be thoughtless..smh! 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by sinequanon: 7:05pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
Weah96: Well... I think it is impoverished culture (like materialism) that leads to reliance on magic mushrooms just to think outside the box. Why do people choose to confine themselves to the box, through fear, politics, hypocrisy, denial etc., only to have block-bust out from time to time, using brain poison? We are naturally well able to ask and contemplate these questions if we don't live day in day out philosophical dogma like religion (including science). |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by davien(m): 7:07pm On Nov 27, 2014 |
sinequanon:I believe the criteria for anything to be said to be living should encompass all these: If it is metabolic. If it is composed of individual substituents(cells) or exist as such. If it grows. If it responds to stimuli. If it reproduces. If it changes over time(evolves). And if it can maintain a stable internal environment(homeostasis).. |
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