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Dude I think it's cos of all the moi moi men out there. When women see a really good man, nobody needs to tell them to change their mindset.

@Bolded, I just broke that in pieces.
More educated, widely traveled, great family etc.
Ofcourse, why would submission be difficult?

Evina:


Not at all. You stated what you interpreted from what I attempted to communicate. And I repeat, your interpretation is wrong.

Your words below:

Evina:


[B] If you can submit to your boss, why can't you submit to your man?[/b]

If you claim submission is not for you, then don't submit to anyone.

What you have unwittingly told me about yourself is that there are men that you can submit to and if that "kind" of man is in a relationship with you, you would submit.

chibwike:
Lol...the argument have been heated up...i dnt even knw where to start from.

Just say submission is wrong LOL

CoachDX:

@Bolded, I just broke that in pieces.
More educated, widely traveled, great family etc.
Ofcourse, why would submission be difficult?

The thing is that educated and widely travelled men don't clamour for submission.

Only primitive men does.
If you survey on pro-feminist(men that support feminism), 90% of them are atheist who are not beclouded by biblical sentiments.

To further prove how much you DieeDiee and Vicky have twisted and deliberately misinterpreted my views.

I never stated that to be a subordinate at work means you have to be a subordinate at home That is simply nonsensical.

What I stated was if a woman can submit to a class of men e.g their male superior, then why is it hard to submit to their man.

You gals have taken submission to be the same as subordinate.

I hope you know that not all subordinates are submissive to their superiors in the work place? I hope you also know that many bosses are sometimes submissive to their subordinates?

Please don't be overly concerned with shoving your opinion down peoples throats, so much so that you choose to not understand their perspective.

CoachDX:

@Bolded, I just broke that in pieces.
More educated, widely traveled, great family etc.
Ofcourse, why would submission be difficult?

I pity the man who is too weak to handle himself in the presence of a woman who can handle her own

DieeDiee:


Your words below:

exactly what I thought.

So to be a subordinate means you are submissive right?

Okay, I rest my case. Hahahahaa.

VickyyB:


The thing is that educated and widely travelled men don't clamour for submission.

Only primitive men does.
If you survey on pro-feminist(men that support feminism), 90% of them are atheist who are not beclouded by biblical sentiments.

There are men who are believers and don't have primitive minds. Eg, the Arab I mentioned I dated. He is a devout muslim wakes up @ 5am prays, our relationship didn't have any intimacy because he believed it's a sin. Off the top of my head I can think of 3 more muslim men like him. I have friends who are married to men that encourage them to be strong, fierce and go-gethers and they are not atheists.

Small men use the bible and tradition to advance their mission to deal with their low self-esteem by oppressing women.

Evina:


exactly what I thought.

So to be a subordinate means you are submissive right?

Okay, I rest my case. Hahahahaa.

No babe, please reread I even made bold I kept saying ACCORDING TO YOU

Evina:
To further prove how much you DieeDiee and Vicky have twisted and deliberately misinterpreted my views.

I never stated that to be a subordinate at work means you have to be a subordinate at home That is simply nonsensical.

What I stated was if a woman can submit to a class of men e.g their male superior, then why is it hard to submit to their man.

You gals have taken submission to be the same as subordinate.

I hope you know that not all subordinates are submissive to their superiors in the work place? I hope you also know that many bosses are sometimes submissive to their subordinates?

Please don't be overly concerned with shoving your opinion down peoples throats, so much so that you choose to not understand their perspective.

You are starting to contradict yourself...

DieeDiee:


There are men who are believers and don't have primitive minds. Eg, the Arab I mentioned I dated. He is a devout muslim wakes up @ 5am prays, our relationship didn't have any intimacy because he believed it's a sin. Off the top of my head I can think of 3 more muslim men like him. I have friends who are married to men that encourage them to be strong, fierce and go-gethers and they are not atheists.

Small men use the bible and tradition to advance their mission to deal with their low self-esteem by oppressing women.

Christians are the worst hypocrite.

Don't be surprised, if the guy that called you a pagan by quoting a biblical verse, CHYKE WOMEN, LUST AFTER WOMEN AND SLEEP AROUND.

He's committing a hellish sin btw. Smh

DieeDiee:


No babe, please reread I even made bold I kept saying ACCORDING TO YOU

Reread what?

You are the one that needs to re read.
OR
Refer to my last post before this one you quoted. That post is my final attempt at clarifying all misconceptions and if you still don't get it, then...

DieeDiee:


You are starting to contradict yourself...

Okay, I am known to never give up, but this is where I say au revoir

One last word, you really need to learn the art of seeking to understand

Evina:


Reread what?

You are the one that needs to re read.
OR
Refer to my last post before this one you quoted. That post is my final attempt at clarifying all misconceptions and if you still don't get it, then...

Reread the post where I was explaining what Vickky is saying. I kept on saying ACCORDING TO YOU @ no point did I compare being subordinate at work to being submissive at home YOU DID

Girl, you have confused yourself and you can't defend your assertions you keep running around in circles now you are saying

"I hope you know that not all
subordinates are submissive to their
superiors in the work place?"

Yet you started off with the ABSOLUTE claim that women are submissive to their superiors at work. YOU made the statement absolute now you are making it fluid

VickyyB:


The thing is that educated and widely travelled men don't clamour for submission.

Only primitive men does.
If you survey on pro-feminist(men that support feminism), 90% of them are atheist who are not beclouded by biblical sentiments.

Infact, if I'm to burst your bubble, what makes most women submissive are frivolous in nature. Best believe, the former is wrong, being educated and widely traveled comes with loads of ego and status you must acknowledge.

DieeDiee:


I pity the man who is too weak to handle himself in the presence of a woman who can handle her own

Let me help you rephrase better
I pity a woman who's too strong to be submissive to her man.
...because I might be receiving her wedding invite every new year.

VickyyB:


Christians are the worst hypocrite.

Don't be surprised, if the guy that called you a pagan by quoting a biblical verse, CHYKE WOMEN, LUST AFTER WOMEN AND SLEEP AROUND.

He's committing a hellish sin btw. Smh

LMAO!!! Oh I know my dear. They love standing on street corners spewing verses yet in the very same bible G himself says he cares not for those who stand on street corners professing their love for him or those who say long prayers. Yet you find holy holy Christians spewing prayer until they sweat and faint LOL. Those who pray a lot do so because they have a lot of sin and their guilt is eating away at them.

CoachDX:
Let me help you rephrase better
I pity a woman who's too strong to be submissive to her man.
...because I might be receiving her wedding invite every new year.

Strong, influential women still married to strong men who can handle their power:

Hillary Clinton
Pumzile Ngcuka - UN secretary general and director of UN Women development
Queen Rania of Jordan - advocate for women empowerment

There are more but I don't feel like typing but I can if you require me...

DieeDiee:
DISCLAIMER: I'm not a feminist, I love men

This is my anthem:

I am a feminist and damn proud of it !! I think there's a misunderstanding on what a feminist means. Please listen to Bey's "flawless"- and that Nigerian (?) lady's definition.

I love love men. Well, in theory. Practically, there's some shades of grey there to my likes.

I love being a woman. I love dressing as such, acting as such (grace, elegance and strength, resilience, intelligence).

Yea, I get emotional and sensitive at times, but I also can display strength, get aggressive when it calls for it.

I also have no problem being submissive- man or woman, younger, older, different culture etc. I see that as a strength not weakness.

I am physician and a business woman and conduct myself professionally. I am also very playful, silly, get dirty, cook/clean etc.

The key is in knowing when to stand your ground and when to take a sit; speak or silence; stand out or blend in etc.

For me, I straddle the middle ground in most things life. Only rarely does situations call for extremes.

Acquire the personality of flexibility/compromise, teachable, humility. It goes a long ways in any relationship.


PS: Lean in by sheryl sandberg is a great book for this topic specifically in the work place.

I feel that the whole bf/gf thingy is just miles apart from marriage... if you ask me to submit to a bf... ehm... lol! no thanks!

But to a husband sure... so that the Word wouldn't be blasphemed.

That said, I'm an equal rights activist... every guy or man in my life knows this. So! I get to decide what submission means to me and it's definitely not the dictionary meaning... i'm not gon be in a master-slave type relationship/marriage.

At the end of the day, all that matters to me is mutual love and respect... Emphasis on the mutual coz if you don't respect my person, you ain't worth my respect.

CoachDX:
Let me help you rephrase better
I pity a woman who's too strong to be submissive to her man.
...because I might be receiving her wedding invite every new year.

Not all women are fanatic about marriage.

DieeDiee:


Strong, influential women still married to strong men who can handle their power:

Hillary Clinton
Pumzile Ngcuka - UN secretary general and director of UN Women development
Queen Rania of Jordan - advocate for women empowerment

There are more but I don't feel like typing but I can if you require me...

It seems you are not a Nigerian.

Nigerian most powerful feminist is happily married.

Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie. She refused to bear her husband surname. She didn't hyphenate it sef.

VickyyB:


Not all women are fanatic about marriage.

Hahaha! Now I agree, and because of them we've got a global boom in sex doll sales

DieeDiee:


Just say submission is wrong LOL

Nah...submissing is right...oya where is vickkyB...lets argue it up.

CoachDX:
Hahaha! Now I agree, and because of them we've got a global boom in sex doll sales

Good for you!
Enjoy your advanced masturbatìon.

VickyyB:


It seems you are not a Nigerian.

Nigerian most powerful feminist is happily married.

Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie. She refused to bear her husband surname. She didn't hyphenate it sef.

No I'm not babe. And right now I'm thankful for my tribe because women have power and say - they are not expected to be submissive. In fact no man wants to marry a "yes girl" even his mother would be against the marriage.

DieeDiee:


Strong, influential women still married to strong men who can handle their power:

Hillary Clinton
Pumzile Ngcuka - UN secretary general and director of UN Women development
Queen Rania of Jordan - advocate for women empowerment

There are more but I don't feel like typing but I can if you require me...

Wife me that kind of a woman, men shouldn't be 'affected' or scared of that. My humble self will push her into more successes. But, don't forget, they've been submissive. I think we shouldn't go far, let's stay in Nigeria where you ladies seem to have this misunderstanding that being submissive does make you a slave. I know of Dora of blessed memories, I know of the newly wedded colleague: Toyosi Akerele. You see, no matter your status, you must find a man worthy to handle you and your power.

VickyyB:

Good for you!
Enjoy your advanced masturbatìon.

Who on earth masturbate when he's got a woman that's ever ready?

Adaeze003:
I feel that the whole bf/gf thingy is just miles apart from marriage... if you ask me to submit to a bf... ehm... lol! no thanks!

But to a husband sure... so that the Word wouldn't be blasphemed.

That said, I'm an equal rights activist... every guy or man in my life knows this. So! I get to decide what submission means to me and it's definitely not the dictionary meaning... i'm not gon be in a master-slave type relationship/marriage.

At the end of the day, all that matters to me is mutual love and respect... Emphasis on the mutual coz if you don't respect my person, you ain't worth my respect.

Submission means what it means it has no levels of justification or degrees. What I think you are talking about is compromise of which there is nothing wrong. Submission is about power. The submissive is slave to the master or inferior to the master. The unfortunate thing is some people think submission is compromise and vice versa when it's not. With compromise you still retain power.

Its so obvious many of the men on this thread are unmarried.......and probably never even been in relationships before


You honestly think you can live under the same roof with another adult who isn't mentally retarded and not have to compromise your will for her once in a while?
Submission in the true sense of the word is not even possible, I don't want to write walls of text on this topic. For peaceful coexistence you bend to each other's will from time to time. Sometimes she has the final say and sometimes you have the final say, it can't be you, you, you all the time unless you want to end up with a very frustrated and vengeful wife/girlfriend.

Many Nairalanders really need to go out more because I read so much ridiculous and unrealistic bullshit on this site sometimes that makes me wonder if the men typing have ever even interacted with a female outside their families before.

Chiadanin:


This is my anthem:

I am a feminist and damn proud of it !! I think there's a misunderstanding on what a feminist means. Please listen to Bey's "flawless"- and that Nigerian (?) lady's definition.

I love love men. Well, in theory. Practically, there's some shades of grey there to my likes.

I love being a woman. I love dressing as such, acting as such (grace, elegance and strength, resilience, intelligence).

Yea, I get emotional and sensitive at times, but I also can display strength, get aggressive when it calls for it.

I also have no problem being submissive- man or woman, younger, older, different culture etc. I see that as a strength not weakness.

I am physician and a business woman and conduct myself professionally. I am also very playful, silly, get dirty, cook/clean etc.

The key is in knowing when to stand your ground and when to take a sit; speak or silence; stand out or blend in etc.

For me, I straddle the middle ground in most things life. Only rarely does situations call for extremes.

Acquire the personality of flexibility/compromise, teachable, humility. It goes a long ways in any relationship.


PS: Lean in by sheryl sandberg is a great book for this topic specifically in the work place.

You go girl! Do you! I'm not a feminist just an advocate of equality and humanity.

VickyyB:

Good for you!
Enjoy your advanced masturbatìon.

LMAO! #BUUUUURN!!!