StarBoard:

There are lots of simpletons out there. And these greedy men of themselves or gods of men are just wreaking havoc on their gullibility and force-feeding them with all kinds of doctrines regardless of whether they make any sense.
I do not believe God gave us brains to make us zombies or to be readily subservient to another man just because he is on the podium and makes claims to some kind of calling.
This clown called asalimpo is just a zombie. The same bible we read tells us to try every spirit. Yet he comes here and downloads so much baloney on an issue that is clwarly non-existent.
Abraham can never be the template of the Christian today. Christ Jesus is. Paul asked us to imitaye him just as he imitates Christ. Yet this one is asking us to fo things that Abraham did. Isn't thay being silly?

god never used perfect men. What of David, who committed adultery and murder?
Yet the lineage of the Christ is traced thru David.
Stop being an empty head judging wen u urself are terribly inadequate.
Abraham is called the father of Faith.
The Blessing of God to Humanity is thru Him.
Abraham gave tithe in faith and is a model of faith used as an examplar in the pauline epistles.
Do ur bible study prayerfully.

davidylan:

According to Acts 4, the offerings were used to benefit EVERYONE in the church according to his need. Today our offerings go to one man and one man only... the pastor... according to his greed.

Acts 4:34-35
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Is that the offering you are referring to? The 100% offering laid at the apostles feet? Is that the offering you talking about?

So have you sold your house and lands now and taken it to your church while supervising the distribution to other people who have need or will you call this another brainwashing scam? Or call those who come to benefit from it lazy people who dont want to work. Lol...and the cycle continues.

asalimpo:

as u wish, you may call God a fool for calling Christians children of Abraham. Get your theology right.
The blessing was to ABRAHAM and his Seed.

Gal 3:29 (If you belong to Christ then are you Abraham's seed ... )

You have no understanding of the scriptures. I think Hebrews put it in better perspective... that Abraham was a foreshadow of Christ. Now that we are under the dispensation, we are no longer under the law (which Abraham represented). Its just that simple.

Read that verse AGAIN. The reason there was not a needy person is BECAUSE they had just sold everything and gave the apostles the proceeds. The same church in Jerusalem suffered poverty and Paul had to collect offerings from far off places such as Macedonia for them. This tells you the 'not a needy person among them' was temporal.

If this dude had sold everything and given the proceeds to church, he would be entitled to charity. He just gave offerings like everybody else. He is a ruthless attention seeker. M0ron at most

davidylan:


Acts 4: 34 For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales 35 and lay them at the apostles' feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need.

What is nonsensical is your own brand of unbiblical drivel. The book of acts clearly recorded that there was not a single needy person among them... that presupposes including both those who had to give (in various dimensions/levels) and those who could not even give at all. But keep up the man-made charade that are your churches today.

The church ought to have helped, however suing the church is a very wrong move.....

StarBoard:

You just come here and display whatever it is that is worrying you.
Abraham gave a tenth part of SPOILS OF WAR which negates both your vacuous claim of paying from your income and what the Law you are here chirruping about prescribes .The Law requires you to give a tithe from your produce. How does that tally with Abraham's tithe obtained from a war in which he most likely killed people to get the spoils?
Please tell us where Isaac tithed and the kind of tithe he gave.
Because the only other person who is mentioned in line with a 10th is Jacob who promised to give God a 10th of everything he had but we have no evidence that he fulfilled such promise given that it was not recorded in scripture.
Furthermore, sinve you claim we are Abraham's seed then we should do things he did, e.g. He fought wars, he had sex with his maid and fathered an illegitimate son (who as you know by now is the ancestor of the faith that has tormented us till date), he lied that Sarah was his sister. Why restrict it only to tithe?
Who told you you were a jew in the first place?
You are as a child of God supposed to look unto Jesus the author and finisher of your faith:instead you expose your gullibility by making claims that have no basis just to suppory an erroneous point.
You just mouth of scriptures that are convenient for you even though you cannot understand their implications.

you are evidently not knwledgable on these things, neither do you exhibit any intent, beside spewg unresearched counter arguments, to check out what the bible says on a topic.

The jews, an agrarian society tithed of their increase - in this case their produce - in d case of Abraham , His increase @ that moment were the spoils of war and he tithed to God thru a High Priest of God,Melchizedeck,
today, Jesus Christ is our High Priest in Heaven who receives the tithe we Christians give in Church
(Heb 7: 8 ) This is a present-day thing Jesus does.


simply infer from the behaviour of the patriarch's tht tithing was a custom to them. Jacob tithed.
Obviously Isaac the child of promise wouldve walked in his father's footsteps.

Gal 3:29 - read this verse to expell ur ignorance on who d seed of Abraham are.
(like many posters you brim with ignorance and wud rather type ur sentiments. )

the bible upholds Abraham as an iconic examplar in certain virtues e.g faith and obedience.
And points christians to emulate him in these areas. Stop misinterpreting scriptures and injunctions foolishly.

Read Romans 4:16
therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be gauranteed to all Abraham's offspring (are u an offspring?)-not only those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham.
He is the father of us all (does your bible hav this? Or you wanna argue with the word?)

asalimpo:


god never used perfect men. What of David, who committed adultery and murder?
Yet the lineage of the Christ is traced thru David.
Stop being an empty head judging wen u urself are terribly inadequate.
Abraham is called the father of Faith.
The Blessing of God to Humanity is thru Him.
Abraham gave tithe in faith and is a model of faith used as an examplar in the pauline epistles.
Do ur bible study prayerfully.

see why I call you a zombie?
Why dont you go commit adultery and murder and give your so-called tithe, since apparently holiness does not matter to you.
Why dont you tell me that we should avoid imitating Christ, since there is always an excuse of not being perfect?

it is nonsense like the above that you have posted above that makes today's church an abberation and gives it an identity crisis. You and your men of themselves sin wilfully and say we shouldnt judge when Paul tells Timothy that we should strive to remain blameless yet it is permissible to take Abraham's examples and explain it away all in the name of him not being perfect when we have a perfect living example in Christ Jesus himself who we should follow.

Your faith in Christ only makes you a joint heir with Christ via his redemption.
it does not make you a Jew.

You are a dull simpleton and a fraud

I repeat for clarification purposes that Abraham's "tithe" is not according to the Law God handed down to Moses for Israel. So your lame excuse for tithing simply because you fraudulently want to claim that tithing predated the law holds no water
If you cannot get that then you dont deserve the benefit of internet.

asalimpo:


you are evidently not knwledgable on these things, neither do you exhibit any intent, beside spewg unresearched counter arguments, to check out what the bible says on a topic.

The jews, an agrarian society tithed of their increase - in this case their produce - in d case of Abraham , His increase @ that moment were the spoils of war and he tithed to God thru a High Priest of God,Melchizedeck,
today, Jesus Christ is our High Priest in Heaven who receives the tithe we Christians give in Church
(Heb 7: 8 ) This is a present-day thing Jesus does.


simply infer from the behaviour of the patriarch's tht tithing was a custom to them. Jacob tithed.
Obviously Isaac the child of promise wouldve walked in his father's footsteps.

Gal 3:29 - read this verse to expell ur ignorance on who d seed of Abraham are.
(like many posters you brim with ignorance and wud rather type ur sentiments. )

the bible upholds Abraham as an iconic examplar in certain virtues e.g faith and obedience.
And points christians to emulate him in these areas. Stop misinterpreting scriptures and injunctions foolishly.

Read Romans 4:16
therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be gauranteed to all Abraham's offspring (are u an offspring?)-not only those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham.
He is the father of us all (does your bible hav this? Or you wanna argue with the word?)

Story.
The issue at hand here is the nature of Abraham's tithe.

So im going to ask a simple question since you ate adept in the art of shifting goalposts.

Does the tithe Abraham gave to Melchizedek fall in line with God's requirements?

Answer in a postcatd (if your dull self knows what that means)

davidylan:


You have no understanding of the scriptures. I think Hebrews put it in better perspective... that Abraham was a foreshadow of Christ. Now that we are under the dispensation, we are no longer under the law (which Abraham represented). Its just that simple.

Foreshadow means wat? Abraham is never used as a type of Christ. Never.
He is the conduit thru which God's promise was going to come on humanity.
Abraham is the father of faith and the spiritual father of all Christians because all christians are offsprings of Abraham.
Why are u arguing with scriptures by d way, isnt Galatians 3:29 NT?
Abraham offered up isaac (in faith. Read Hebrews 11)
that act of Obedience gave God legal right to offer Jesus-the promised Seed. If anybody is a type of Christ,it is Isaac not Abraham.
Jesus, ancestry is traced right back to Abraham , that's y , Abraham is d father of many nations.

See also Romans 4:16.


Bros, which kinda theological junk are u spewg? Abraham representg the law?
Smh.
Abraham received no law. The law came by moses.
Abraham is the father of faith. His interactions with God were all faith moves.
Offering his child for sacrifice wen there was no hope of having another
believing God for a child wen he was past age
leaving his father's house to a land he knew nothing of

Abraham = faith

StarBoard:

Story.
The issue at hand here is the nature of Abraham's tithe.

So im going to ask a simple question since you ate adept in the art of shifting goalposts.

Does the tithe Abraham gave to Melchizedek fall in line with God's requirements?

Answer in a postcatd (if your dull self knows what that means)

is there a distinction on tithes based on d substance and source (legit assumed) of the substance tithed?
Give scriptural basis for your answer.

Hebrews uses Abraham's example to make a point on tithing- but retards like you are nitpickng talkg crap about spoils of war.
Stop advertsng your stupidity here.
Abraham, tithed to a HIGH PRIEST OF THE MOST HIGH GOD,
that's d point.
Isreal would later tithe thru human priests who die.
Abraham, tithed in faith.
Talkg spoils of war is foolishness.
Mumu.

If you hav nothng sensible to say,dont comment since you cant reason logically nor talk without cussng.

StarBoard:

see why I call you a zombie?
Why dont you go commit adultery and murder and give your so-called tithe, since apparently holiness does not matter to you.
Why dont you tell me that we should avoid imitating Christ, since there is always an excuse of not being perfect?

it is nonsense like the above that you have posted above that makes today's church an abberation and gives it an identity crisis. You and your men of themselves sin wilfully and say we shouldnt judge when Paul tells Timothy that we should strive to remain blameless yet it is permissible to take Abraham's examples and explain it away all in the name of him not being perfect when we have a perfect living example in Christ Jesus himself who we should follow.

Your faith in Christ only makes you a joint heir with Christ via his redemption.
it does not make you a Jew.

You are a dull simpleton and a fraud

I repeat for clarification purposes that Abraham's "tithe" is not according to the Law God handed down to Moses for Israel. So your lame excuse for tithing simply because you fraudulently want to claim that tithing predated the law holds no water
If you cannot get that then you dont deserve the benefit of internet.

the problem with you is tht ur retarded.
Saying emulate abraham,to a supposedly christian, assumes the christian knows Abraham's background and salient points.
Even the bible says you shud emulate Abraham (his principles of faith and obedience). Dyu need it spelled out and specified or u cant think.

I know this is above u,but without Abraham,they would b no Jesus and Christianity.
Go ponder that.

Abraham's obedience in offering up Isaac, created repercussion effects culminating in the God offering up His Son , Jesus , for us.

Mumu. Go and learn.

Jesus receives tithe today,in case you didnt know.

asalimpo:


is there a distinction on tithes based on d substance and source (legit assumed) of the substance tithed?
Give scriptural basis for your answer.

Hebrews uses Abraham's example to make a point on tithing- but retards like you are nitpickng talkg crap about spoils of war.
Stop advertsng your stupidity here.
Abraham, tithed to a HIGH PRIEST OF THE MOST HIGH GOD,
that's d point.
Isreal would later tithe thru human priests who die.
Abraham, tithed in faith.
Talkg spoils of war is foolishness.
Mumu.

If you hav nothng sensible to say,dont comment since you cant reason logically nor talk without cussng.

Im tempted to call you a fool but I wont.
Are you not the one cussing here?

It is you who is being stupid by not knowing what is which.
If you cannot see that God prohibited tithing via spoils of war then you should have remained a heathen.

Abraham returned the other parts of the booty he collected. But again your blind,ignorant, deluded and megalomaniac self will not see that. Or do you, self-righteous zealot?


You are yet to answer the question above. All you are doing is just blowing hot air and increasing the stupidity quotient of cyberspace because you have absolutely nothing to offer.

You also need to grow up. You cannot tell me not to comment on anything because you have no right to. I dont know you from anywhere and I pray not to since you obviously cannot have any positive effect on me so just zip your loud lazy mouth up.

asalimpo:


the problem with you is tht ur retarded.
Saying emulate abraham,to a supposedly christian, assumes the christian knows Abraham's background and salient points.
Even the bible says you shud emulate Abraham (his principles of faith and obedience). Dyu need it spelled out and specified or u cant think.

I know this is above u,but without Abraham,they would b no Jesus and Christianity.
Go ponder that.

Abraham's obedience in offering up Isaac, created repercussion effects culminating in the God offering up His Son , Jesus , for us.

Mumu. Go and learn.

Jesus receives tithe today,in case you didnt know.

Hehehehe

You should consider a career in buffoonery since I know you dont expect anyone to take you seriously.

oh so Christ never existed before Abraham abi?

I dont even know why I bothered to make any kind of an argument with a nonentity whose IQ is too low to be measured by the planck counter.

Go and sleep with your maid or lie sbout your wife because Abraham did so.

All this tomfoolery just to justify tithing.
Na wa o.

Apparently Hebrews 7 neans nothing to you either but yoir bible knowledge stops at Noah and the ark.

Abeg save your show of madness for the market. Your attempt at sounding intelligent isn't going any better thsn that of stray dogs.

I have better things to do than argue with heretics and new age believers who relegate and reduce the importance of Christ.

A person thinks that without Abraham there woukd have been no Christ and therefore no Christianity.

If ever there was a more irresponsible and blasphemous statement than the above then I am yet to see it.

As if God's plan would not have taken place without Abraham.

It's not shocking given the kind of nonsense being peddled these days. Then when they csnnot convince you they resort to belittling you and calling you names. Typical of the modern day "Christian".

asalimpo,
Who was John 1:1-4 refering to?
Abraham?

You should go and ask God for forgiveness for the sin of blasphemy. For claiming that Abraham was before Jesus.

I only wish I never wasted my precious little time arguing with a reprobate like you.

It only goes to show you are vain, empty, vacuous, fraudulent, indignant and irreverent and I shall have no parts of your ilk.

StarBoard:

Hehehehe

You should consider a career in buffoonery since I know you dont expect anyone to take you seriously.

oh so Christ never existed before Abraham abi?

I dont even know why I bothered to make any kind of an argument with a nonentity whose IQ is too low to be measured by the planck counter.

Go and sleep with your maid or lie sbout your wife because Abraham did so.

All this tomfoolery just to justify tithing.
Na wa o.

Apparently Hebrews 7 neans nothing to you either but yoir bible knowledge stops at Noah and the ark.

Abeg save your show of madness for the market. Your attempt at sounding intelligent isn't going any better thsn that of stray dogs.

I have better things to do than argue with heretics and new age believers who relegate and reduce the importance of Christ.

i dont expect any dolt to take me seriously, of whom you're chief.
To tell me you honestly misunderstood d meaning of an injunction to emulate Abraham, an iconic examplar without having d specifcs spelled out, shows you brain dead. Go meet your misguided pastor who defrauds you with false hood to pray for you.
You cant make counter argument without degenerating like a rabid dog tells a lotta about ur origins.

As for points you'd probably earn d foolscap in a class room for injecting elemnts scriptures never assumed like discountng Abraham's act of tithing on d grounds tht it was war spoils.

"Wisdom is too high for a fool "
humble ur self and learn.
E-mumu.

StarBoard:


Im tempted to call you a fool but I wont.
Are you not the one cussing here?

It is you who is being stupid by not knowing what is which.
If you cannot see that God prohibited tithing via spoils of war then you should have remained a heathen.

Abraham returned the other parts of the booty he collected. But again your blind,ignorant, deluded and megalomaniac self will not see that. Or do you, self-righteous zealot?


You are yet to answer the question above. All you are doing is just blowing hot air and increasing the stupidity quotient of cyberspace because you have absolutely nothing to offer.

You also need to grow up. You cannot tell me not to comment on anything because you have no right to. I dont know you from anywhere and I pray not to since you obviously cannot have any positive effect on me so just zip your loud lazy mouth up.

ode.
If the contents of ur heart and mind were brought out and auctioned they'd b nothing other than crude anti-personell weapons.
Thats wat religious retards stockup in their heart. Wen they try to think it's to erupt heresies like tithe is substance based.

You should b tied to a pole and ur mind pulled out and stretched.

asalimpo:

i dont expect any dolt to take me seriously, of whom you're chief.
To tell me you honestly misunderstood d meaning of an injunction to emulate Abraham, an iconic examplar without having d specifcs spelled out, shows you brain dead. Go meet your misguided pastor who defrauds you with false hood to pray for you.
You cant make counter argument without degenerating like a rabid dog tells a lotta about ur origins.

As for points you'd probably earn d foolscap in a class room for injecting elemnts scriptures never assumed like discountng Abraham's act of tithing on d grounds tht it was war spoils.

"Wisdom is too high for a fool "
humble ur self and learn.
E-mumu.

I lost you when you said there would be no Christianity without Abraham
You just certified yourself not only as a dullard but as a fool.
Nice day.
Keep talking and wallowing in your ignorance.

I dont deal with heretics like you.

You are nothing but a big opaque megalomaniac.

John 1:1-4.

asalimpo:


ode.
If the contents of ur heart and mind were brought out and auctioned they'd b nothing other than crude anti-personell weapons.
Thats wat religious retards stockup in their heart. Wen they try to think it's to erupt heresies like tithe is substance based.

You should b tied to a pole and ur mind pulled out and stretched.

If you can't prove your point please be quiet and let sensible folks talk.

I cant believe I tried to make a zombie see reason.
Heretics like you should be crucified upside down or sawed in half.

John 1:1-4.

StarBoard:


Im tempted to call you a fool but I wont.
Are you not the one cussing here?

It is you who is being stupid by not knowing what is which.
If you cannot see that God prohibited tithing via spoils of war then you should have remained a heathen.

Abraham returned the other parts of the booty he collected. But again your blind,ignorant, deluded and megalomaniac self will not see that. Or do you, self-righteous zealot?


You are yet to answer the question above. All you are doing is just blowing hot air and increasing the stupidity quotient of cyberspace because you have absolutely nothing to offer.

You also need to grow up. You cannot tell me not to comment on anything because you have no right to. I dont know you from anywhere and I pray not to since you obviously cannot have any positive effect on me so just zip your loud lazy mouth up.

this was a debate where both sides cudve presented their views intelligently and civilly but imps like u
with corrugated minds come here foaming in d mouth like escaped asylum inmates.
Wat does an some1 in a strait jacket hav to say tht makes sense?

Especially in these ebola days?

asalimpo:


this was a debate where both sides cudve presented their views intelligently but imps like u,
with corrugated minds come here foaming in d mouth like escaped asylum inmates.
Wat does an some1 in a strait jacket hav to say tht makes sense?

Especially in these ebola days?

Yawn.
You bore me with your childishness.

Prove how Abraham was before Christ first then maybe your credibility will be restored.

Till then you remain a shortsighted midget

John1:1-4
Doesnt invalidate any point I made.
I cud elaborate,but since you brought it up, explain wat u understand about God's plan for salvation of the human race.

My statemnt about No Abraham No Christianity is Tied to dat.

StarBoard:

Yawn.
You bore me with your childishness.

Prove how Abraham was before Christ first then maybe your credibility will be restored.

Till then you remain a shortsighted midget

double Yawn. You bore me with with your advanced senility.

*back to d ish ... *

Guys take it easy na! I am sure we can express ourselves and put our points across without resorting to personal attacks.

holatin:
Sensible man spotted.
you can't help MD despite my offering, tithe and donation to your church.
if you can't give to your member, stop collecting from them

10000 likes. Your head too correct.

Even as I'm born2fuck, a sinner who could eventually rebirth in future wouldn't support the man action. Firstly, tithe is seen as a gifts and no agreement on returns was done between him and the church;tithe is voluntary and not mandatory, I never pay any dime as tithes and even as offering, I know how I manage dey drop my #50 or #100 jejeli as I wasn't force to to pay any amount, if he goes to court, he will eventually lose

we catholics dont do such

lanre316:
The man forgot one basic fact: The money you give away no longer belongs to you. You can't demand for it as if it's yours. So he got no case. Not that I'm supporting the tithe fraudsters, though.

Only on this earth will you see a beggar paying tithe to a wealthy Pastor , in Mars where I came from, We Say No To Tithe

Breach of contract . The church must have made lots of promises about prosperity. They breached the 'contract', they need to give him back his money .

Church don turn bank ba?

olashas:
Breach of contract . The church must have made lots of promises about prosperity. They breached the 'contract', they need to give him back his money .

you better need to spark your brain true true as quoted by your profile, I saw beauty but no Brain

Just as the man cannot demand what he has given out, churches should not neglect people in need. That is one area churches are not getting it right.