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Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by ddooskie(m): 3:14pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Just like the movie: Suing the Devil. This one is: Suing The Pastor Pt 1. Suing The Church Pt 2 Pastor!, Where is My Money? |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by fruityjojo(f): 3:15pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Eyaaa. Buh why can't some churches assist members financially in their time of need!? It's not like the money is not there! |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by chrisviral(m): 3:15pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
ifeness: May his mercy locate you! |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nobody: 3:16pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
holatin:The church is not entitled to help anybody. although I think they should when possible but the fact still remains that tithes and offerings are paid to God and not the church. Regardless of what the church decides to do with the money, it still belongs to God so, asking for it back is asking God to give it back which is utter foolishness. If he needed financial aid, he should have asked God and not the church. What is a christian if he can't pray to God. This is another example of why people need to read their bibles before acting. The bible says "my people perish for lack of knowledge". A word is enough for the wise |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by olashas(f): 3:17pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
born2fuck:Your opinion . Thanks 2 Likes |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Vicotex(m): 3:18pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
This is super story! |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nobody: 3:19pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
PastorKun: Legit concern Why take his money if they couldn't even show him love when he was going through a rough patch? |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by ZUBY77(m): 3:19pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
vooks: You are the idiooot here. Just that you don't know yet. 1 Like |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nobody: 3:20pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
These businesses with their GOs do not exist to help the down trodden , poor or oppressed people , they are profit oriented companies parading as churches. Their damnation does not slumber. Stealing from the poor and not helping the poor has to be the no 1 of all sins. I have encountered this behaviour many times. This is my advice to gullible church follow follow people. USE YOUR MONEY FOR YOUR IMMEDIATE NEEDS AND THAT OF YOUR FAMILY. IF THERE IS JARA GIVE TO THE NEEDY AROUND YOU. STOP PAYING 3 Likes |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by cozy7(m): 3:21pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
PastorKun:THIS IS A STUNT TO CREATE POPULARITY 4D CHURCH, LATER WE GO HEAR SAY HOLY SPIRIT APPEARED 2D MAN N WARNED HIM TO LEAVE GOD'S ANNOINTED. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nobody: 3:22pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Buuuhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. ROTFL. Lmfaom Lwkmdfh hahahehehehohoho. My belle o hahahaha
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Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by born2boink(m): 3:22pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
olashas:you are welcome my sweetheart |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by JVector: 3:24pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
PastorKun: Does it mean the bible is written for the jews sir |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by kunlexz42(m): 3:24pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
this man his baby spiriturally, because how can u except the church to refund all your money... That means he is just a church go waa. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by LajaLaba: 3:25pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Boss13:How is he gonna win the case?did they collected the money on gun point? |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nobody: 3:31pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
If collects money you i know if u want ur money back he will return it after the money isnt enough to pay for ur life so, if the pastors received the money on God's behalf it is advisable they return back to him on His behalf after all humans do return fellows property in their care. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by vibrat: 3:31pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
yes let them refund him |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by kepal99(m): 3:32pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Lmao!!! *plugs earpiece* listening to DAVIDO- Gobe --- nxt WIZKID-show me the money |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by obowunmi(m): 3:33pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
born2fuck: Well said. Or he can argue that he was manipulated or coerced into giving. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Wendy80(f): 3:37pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
PastorKun: If dat's what ur church tells U, that's not what mine says. Whc church promises that? Make una sofry de lie on top churches oh |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by holatin(m): 3:37pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
MissGdope:did you just spew all this rubbish. No compassion in this world again so pastor get rich while church member get poor. am very disgusted with your word. if people like you exist, d world will never be a better place. am sorry to say this. I despise you. one and last word and rhetorical question. are you a pastor wife ?? 2 Likes |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nobody: 3:38pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
born2fuck: 100% Wrong. Tithe is not a voluntary payment in the truest sense of that word. Tithe is made a compulsory payment by church institutions with the penalty of either loss of goods , health and money or the damnation to hell fire. Therefore, we can infer that the enforcers of this man made compulsory payment use fear as a tactic to cajole their members to pay up. Furthermore, it gets worse. They normally sell false promises to the tithers of a bountiful 20/40/60 or 100 fold harvest , which even the most daft among us know never happens. This guy is in order and with a good lawyer he will win the case against these crooks. 4 Likes |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Project400: 3:39pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Interesting |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by gbadexy(m): 3:39pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
The comments here remind me of a guy that used to come to my freind's bar some years ago, the guy comes to the bar mostly on mondays with his friends to drink. My friend pointed him to me that he was a pastor's son and he brings his friends to drink with re arranged, rumpled tithe money. His friends and everyone in the bar knows him as a pastor's son. That was where part of the offerings of those ignorant church people was going to, buying beer. 4 Likes |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nobody: 3:43pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
holatin: Read my bio and u'll see what I think about people that "hate" or dislike me. What I just said is the plain truth. The truth is bitter and pple will try to run from it but i'll keep saying it cos idgaf how u feel bout me. I don't even know you! Back to the topic, there's nothing wrong in the pastor or the church helping the guy and it's their choice if they want to. If they don't then it's between him and God because as far as I know, your tithes and offerings belong to God. Now quote me with you silly rant |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nobody: 3:45pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Pentecostal churches cannot survive without tithes and donations. God will richly bless you as you give unto him. there is no financial crisis in heaven just that pastors are not remitting to God. making sure his flock do not go hungry. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by KingAdeOluomo1(m): 3:46pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
PastorKun:Madness in the house of God |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by darlenese(f): 3:47pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
I won't blame him! Dats wht frustration can cause, but why can't the church help him, These days pastors are just enriching their pockets and can't help the poor members SMH 1 Like |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by djinny4rea(m): 3:48pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
PastorKun: The law is clear on such matters, the man signed no agreement with the church mandating them to help him in times of need, hence no action can arise from his claims (ex turpi causa non oritio actio). He should just cut his loses and move elsewhere. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by oloworulz(m): 3:51pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
No difference in xtianity and comedy since 12AD. Buhahahaha. Pastor dey cruise jet , followers dey trek. |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Herrmes: 3:52pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
holatin:Why are you everywhere? |
Re: Man Asks Church To Return His Tithes Or Face Court Action by Nobody: 3:52pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
The verse most often cited in support of the tithe is from the Old Testament, found in Malachi 3:8-10 : 8. ""Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, `How do we rob you?' "In tithes and offerings. 9. You are under a curse--the whole nation of you--because you are robbing me. 10. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it. Many preachers shorten Malachi 3:8-10 to just "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse" , and almost always with the inference that their church is the "storehouse". For purposes of this paper, the Lord had me concentrate on the passage: "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house" . From that passage, the Lord had me research several questions: 1) What is the tithe? 2) What was the tithe for? 3) What is the storehouse? 1) What is the tithe? The tithe is 10% of the increase, established in Leviticus 27:30-33 as an offering Holy to the Lord. The scripture identifies the tithe as grain and fruit, herd and flock. The tithe is food! An example of the tithe can be seen in a shepherd with a flock of 100 sheep who is blessed with the birth of 50 lambs in the spring. Five of the lambs must be offered to the Lord as a tithe. The tithe was brought to the temple in Jerusalem in acknowledgement and appreciation of God’s provision for His people. 2) What was the tithe for? God doesn’t need the food – God doesn’t eat. God doesn’t desire sacrifices or offerings ( Psalm 40:6 and Hosea 6:6 ) – He desires mercy. God doesn’t need us to give Him a 10th of everything – when He already owns everything ( Psalm 24:1 and Job 41:11b ). The tithe was used to feed the Levite priests (and their families) who were required to work in the temple day and night ministering to God on behalf of God’s people ( 1 Chronicles 9:33 ). Without the tithe, the Levite priests would have needed to raise their own food, thereby taking them away from ministering before God. Hence the reference in Malachi 3:10 "…that there may be food in my house" . Nehemiah 13:10-13 records a time when the Levite priests were not receiving the tithe wherein they abandoned their daily temple responsibilities to work the farms to feed their families. The reference to ‘robbing God’ in Malachi 3:8 is in fact robbing God of ministry and worship by failing to take care of God’s priests through the tithe of food items. Unlike the other tribes of Israel who were given land as their inheritance, the Levites were not given any land – only a few cities in which to live. God was their inheritance ( Numbers 18:20-21 ). Thus, the remaining tribes were obligated to provide the Levites with food since they had no land on which to grow their own. 3) What is the storehouse? 2 Chronicles 31 teaches that the storehouse is the Temple in Jerusalem. When the tithe was re-instituted under King Hezekiah, the king gave orders to prepare storerooms in the temple to hold the tithe. Apparently the grain "tithe" was heaped up in the streets, which caused a traffic jam of sorts. King Hezekiah had the storehouse built to relieve a bad case of urban congestion in ancient Jerusalem. Having established the original purpose of the tithe, the Lord prompted me with several more questions. Q: "What happened to the temple (storehouse)?" A: It was destroyed in 70AD and has not been rebuilt. Q: "Why?" A: The old covenant system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin is finished. The new covenant is in the blood of Christ who is the final and everlasting sin sacrifice. Q: "Where is the temple now?" A: 1 Corinthians 6:19 says WE are the temple of the Holy Spirit. God no longer resides in a stone temple, but in the hearts of his children through the Holy Spirit. Q: "What happened to the Levite priests?" A: The Levite priesthood is no longer necessary as the old covenant system of animal sacrifice in the temple was superceded by the everlasting covenant of Christ’s blood. Q: "Who is the priesthood now?" A: 1 Peter 2:5 and 9 says those who have received Jesus as Lord and Savior are the priesthood. Come On Laity, Let’s Do The Twist Burdening the Body of Christ with the Tithe requires several twists and reinterpretations of scripture. 1) The tithe must be imported from the OT law of Moses to the new covenant of grace by Christ’s blood. 2) The tithe must be redefined from "flocks, herds, fruit and grain" to "money" and often "time". 3) The storehouse must be redefined from the temple in Jerusalem to the local church building. 4) The Body of Christ must buy into the ordained clergy as the new priesthood, thereby replacing the Levite priesthood as the rightful recipient of the tithe. 5) The Body of Christ must forfeit their own priesthood and buy into the notion that they are the "laity". The tithe has been introduced to the Body of Christ using 2 tactics of the enemy. 1) Sowing guilt and shame into the Body of Christ by quoting Malachi 3:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. But you ask, `How do we rob you?' In tithes and offerings." What devoted Christian wants to rob God? The net effect of sowing guilt has been to extort money from the Body of Christ, thereby robbing the Body of the joy and blessing of giving as God leads. The practice ignores Paul’s instructions to the church at Corinth: "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver ( 2 Corinthians 9:7 )." 2) Blaming the "laity" for the financial troubles in the Body of Christ , by telling the Body they are not blessed by God because they do not tithe. Often Malachi 3:10 is emphasized "Test me in this, says the LORD Almighty, and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it." In so doing, believers are challenged to tithe, with the promise that God will bless them if they do. Such giving is not out of love for God, but out of selfishness. It implies a reward for works, which contradicts Ephesians 2:8-9 , and completely ignores our status as sons of God by faith in Christ ( Galatians 3:26 ) and joint heirs of God with Christ ( Romans 8:17 ). The practice also ignores Christ’s words in Matthew 4:7 "Do not put the Lord your God to the test" . The Apostles Did Not Teach Gentiles To Tithe Acts 15:1-31 records a dispute over circumcision that arose in the Gentile church at Antioch. Several false brothers had attempted to require Gentile (non-Jewish) Christians to be circumcised. Paul and Barnabas sharply opposed the false brothers and traveled to Jerusalem to discuss the issue of circumcision with the other apostles. In Jerusalem, they reported the miracles and conversions among the Gentiles. The apostles were filled with joy over God’s work there, and they agreed that circumcision was not a requirement for salvation. Following the meeting, the apostles and elders in the church at Jerusalem sent Paul and Barnabas back to Antioch with a letter of welcome to the Gentile Christians. The essential text of the letter is found in Acts 15:28-29 . It reads: "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell." The apostles did not want to burden the Gentiles with Old Testament practices! The proof is in their letter to the Gentiles and the fact that the apostles did not impose the tithe on them. Come, Let Us Reason Together ( Isaiah 1:18 ) Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that Jesus had commanded us to continue tithing. It would be appropriate then to use the tithe to feed the priesthood as originally purposed. Who then is the priesthood? The apostle Peter writes in 1 Peter 2:5 and 9 that every believer is a priest ! Hebrews 5-8 also teaches us that Jesus is the only priest that we need . However the institutional church has borrowed from the Old Testament model of the Levitical Priesthood, thereby establishing a new priesthood (ordained clergy) that is separate from the rest of the Body of Christ. The division between the clergy, and the so-called "laity" is not Biblical (Is this the doctrine of the Nicolaitan’s that Jesus says He hates in Revelation 2:6 ) ?In fact, Jesus did not establish the ordained clergy – He chose fishermen and tax collectors to preach His gospel. Neither did He establish division in His church, He desires unity ( John 17:20-23 ). The apostles did not set up an ordained clergy – they chose men full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom to serve the Body ( Acts 6:3 , 1 Timothy 3 ). This man- made division between "clergy" and "laity" has effectively served to divert the offerings of the Body of Christ away from the people it is intended to bless and the offerings are most often used in ways contrary to the will of God. The net result has been starvation and financial bondage for many believers, and the real priesthood – the whole Body of Christ – has not been prepared to carry out Christ’s command to preach the gospel to all nations! Jesus is the Word of God in the flesh ( John 1:14 ). He knew that Malachi 3:10 says "bring the whole tithe into the storehouse" when He instructed the rich man to sell everything and give the proceeds to the poor ( Matthew 19:21 ). I imagine the Scribes and Pharisees about choked on what Jesus said as they were in the habit of devouring widow’s houses for profit ( Luke 20:47 ) and the rich man’s possessions would have been a real feast for them. In Matthew 25:31-46 , Jesus reiterated His desire to help the poor in the parable of separating the sheep from goats, wherein at judgement Jesus will reward those who feed the hungry and clothe the poor. Since Jesus judges us for our care of the poor and hungry, and since He commands us to preach the gospel throughout the world, why is most of our giving used for church buildings and salaries with only a small percentage devoted to the poor, missions and evangelism? Is the church making goats out of us by not feeding the hungry and clothing the poor with our offerings? Let’s not wait until the Judgement of Christ to find out! 5 Likes |
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