davien:
honourhim....it's best you know that atheists do not backup a "no god" claim....because "god" has never been established to be factual....so the claims of "god" are only asserted by religious people...

God has actually been established to be factual for millenia now. Deists aren't religious (at least not in the usual sense) so out goes your point that only religious people believe in God.

Hiswordxray:

Let me guess.
You are still trying to find where you belong.
You are just a rational person trying to find answers.
You believe in proves and evidences.

Question: Are you looking for truth or are you looking for fact?

Hilarious

Mynd44:

This is interesting

just tell us what u are and stop fronting i personally want to know

Mynd44:

I will gladly pack yours

tah!!!
who go give u?

AfricanApple:
perhaps he is a humanist

Or an evangelist.

AfricanApple:
just tell us what u are and stop fronting i personally want to know

I will tell you in private after I hold tour bossom

[quote ]tah!!!
who go give u?
[/quote]
You na

musKeeto:

Lol. Na my old id manfrommars u call manfromthemars. Na wa o. Anyways, thanks.

ok. Edited

honourhim:


Bro you spoke within the limit of your knowledge so thats for you and your co-travellers. We ve argued this over and over again but like i said we are two parallel lines that cannot meet on this issue except you begin to see the other side of life- the spiritual. God is very real. I am not saying God may be real, I am saying that God is very real.

If god is very real, then perhaps you can tell us the meaning of the word " faith ", and why faith is necessary for god that is very real.

And while you are that, kindly tell us the meaning of backsliding, and losing faith, and why Christians tend to backslide and lose faith in a god that is very real.

And lest I forget, for a god that is very real, what is the difference between prayers and special prayer? This question is one that every Christian runs away from. I wonder if you would be bold enough to answer it.

UyiIredia:


God has actually been established to be factual for millenia now. Deists aren't religious (at least not in the usual sense) so out goes your point that only religious people believe in God.

Really...can you tell me how "god" has been established as factual?...and being religious in the case I used is to be a theist/believer...

honourhim:


Bro you spoke within the limit of your knowledge so thats for you and your co-travellers. We ve argued this over and over again but like i said we are two parallel lines that cannot meet on this issue except you begin to see the other side of life- the spiritual. God is very real. I am not saying God may be real, I am saying that God is very real.

You keep saying "god is real"....but you can't demonstrate it to be true...is there knowledge that cannot be shown to be factual in any sense?

UyiIredia:


God has actually been established to be factual for millenia now. Deists aren't religious (at least not in the usual sense) so out goes your point that only religious people believe in God.

If god has proven to be factual, can you kindly educate us in which millennia, which year, and which day?
And if so, why did you question and abandon your factual god very recently? He wasn't factually established then ?

And BTW, perhaps you can explain the meaning of the words "faith" in the context of a factually established god.
While you at that, extend your courtesy and help understand backsliding, losing faith, as well as the concept of prayer and special prayer.
Thank you.

davien:
Really...can you tell me how "god" has been established as factual?...and being religious in the case I used is to be a theist/believer...

The existence of the universe and life in it cement the existence of God. Ancients unquestionably believed in God and it is a belief globally-held till present times; the recent climb in atheists notwithstanding.

UyiIredia:


The existence of the universe and life in it cement the existence of God. Ancients unquestionably believed in God and it is a belief globally-held till present times; the recent climb in atheists notwithstanding.

The existence of the universe tells you nothing about "god/gods"..

"god/gods" are merely labelled on the existence of the universe....to provide a supernatural explanation...

And because ancients believed in "god/gods" doesn't mean we should too nor that it's factual...ancients believed in a lot of absurd things...from human sacrifices...to a flat earth...to dragons....to chimera's etc

Rest assured I know where you're coming from...you cannot explain your existence...therefore "god did it" right?..

UyiIredia:


The existence of the universe and life in it cement the existence of God. Ancients unquestionably believed in God and it is a belief globally-held till present times; the recent climb in atheists notwithstanding.

Oh gosh!
I feel so embarrassed when I read stuff like this?
I ask how can someone post nonsense like this?
What type of an educational system produces a mind that cooks up crap like this?

1. If the existence of the universe and life cements the exexistence of god, then nonexistence of a universe would also cement the nonexistence of god. Right?
Now, do you know of any nonexistent universe from which we can compare or test your theory?

2.Ancients unquestionably believed in the existence of god.
Wow!
So modern people should continue?
And what else did ancients believe that modern humans should continue?

3. So the existence of god is cemented because people still hold on to the belief?
Wow! Another Einsteinian statement.

Now, based on statement 3, do you agree that god, nay, gods , Zeus, Apollo, Amen Ra, Yahweh, etc, existed as long as humans continued to believe that they existed?
In other words, god exists in the mind of the believer?

davien:
The existence of the universe tells you nothing about "god/gods"..

"god/gods" are merely labelled on the existence of the universe....to provide a supernatural explanation...

And because ancients believed in "god/gods" doesn't mean we should too nor that it's factual...ancients believed in a lot of absurd things...from human sacrifices...to a flat earth...to dragons....to chimera's etc

Rest assured I know where you're coming from...you cannot explain your existence...therefore "god did it" right?..

Ancients believed in a round earth. You are seriosuly misinformed if you think everyone believed ina a flat earth. In any case, the existence of the universe AND LIFE IN IT certainly evidences the existence of God. The universe can't possibly be infinite, its existence is tentative on laws and such laws and the present of sentient beings cement the fact of God's existence. It ain't my fault you engage in wilful ignorance.

Mynd44:

when did I become an Athesist?

lol

UyiIredia:


Ancients believed in a round earth. You are seriosuly misinformed if you think everyone believed ina a flat earth. In any case, the existence of the universe AND LIFE IN IT certainly evidences the existence of God. The universe can't possibly be infinite, its existence is tentative on laws and such laws and the present of sentient beings cement the fact of God's existence. It ain't my fault you engage in wilful ignorance.

I warned you. Once you fearfully ran back to your invisible skydaddy cocoon, you intellect began a very unfortunate downward spiral.

UyiIredia:


Ancients believed in a round earth. You are seriosuly misinformed if you think everyone believed ina a flat earth. In any case, the existence of the universe AND LIFE IN IT certainly evidences the existence of God. The universe can't possibly be infinite, its existence is tentative on laws and such laws and the present of sentient beings cement the fact of God's existence. It ain't my fault you engage in wilful ignorance.

Then educate that "willful ignorance" with accurate knowledge....not assertions like the bolded.

And ancients did in fact believe in a flat earth....sailors would often fear sailing on the "edge of the earth" and common folk would often fear the sun not "rising"...
Most of our current terminologies were set from those false concepts...
Same with how we refer to years as A.D or B.C,despite no valid evidence of "jesus".

And the laws of the universe are general statements that expresses the properties and/or behaviour of it at certain conditions...

davien:
Then educate that "willful ignorance" with accurate knowledge....not assertions like the bolded.

And ancients did in fact believe in a flat earth....sailors would often fear sailing on the "edge of the earth" and common folk would often fear the sun not "rising"...
Most of our current terminologies were set from those false concepts...
Same with how we refer to years as A.D or B.C,despite no valid evidence of "jesus".

And the laws of the universe are general statements that expresses the properties and/or behaviour of it at certain conditions...

First, I said NOT ALL ancients believed in a flat earth and noted that some actually believed in a round earth. The fear of sailing to the edge of the earth was peculiar to some sailors in Europe. Certainly not Columbus. In fact, the greater fear was on of being lost at sea. And someone had to have set the properties and behaviour of the universe.

Consider life on earth. Living things run on codes embedded in their DNA. Codes are indicative of conscious agents since conscious agents eg humans make them and natural processes (such as the weather, the oceans, land etc) can not make them. The existence of living things therefore is basis to know there is a Creator. Let's start from here.

UyiIredia:


First, I said NOT ALL ancients believed in a flat earth and noted that some actually believed in a round earth. The fear of sailing to the edge of the earth was peculiar to some sailors in Europe. Certainly not Columbus. In fact, the greater fear was on of being lost at sea. And someone had to have set the properties and behaviour of the universe.

Consider life on earth. Living things run on codes embedded in their DNA. Codes are indicative of conscious agents since conscious agents eg humans make them and natural processes (such as the weather, the oceans, land etc) can not make them. The existence of living things therefore is basis to know there is a Creator. Let's start from here.

Can you list those codes embedded in DNA? and are proteins codes?

davien:
Can you list those codes embedded in DNA? and are proteins codes?

Read up the 'genetic code' article in Wikipedia.

UyiIredia:


Read up the 'genetic code' article in Wikipedia.

Ha ha ha.

Jennimma:
Please look for this movie "God's not dead" Ir will change your mindset. God loves you

Try watching:
Prometheus.
Lucy.
Aliens....

UyiIredia:


Read up the 'genetic code' article in Wikipedia.

So because it's been termed a code for biology...you equate it to a computer code?

davien:
So because it's been termed a code for biology...you equate it to a computer code?

Seriously, if you don't understand that your body's DNA has a code I must question your ability to comprehend my argument given your ignorance of a solid fact.

UyiIredia:


Seriously, if you don't understand that your body's DNA has a code I must question your ability to comprehend my argument given your ignorance of a solid fact.

All you have to do is tell me how you deduced deoxyribonucleic acid to contain a code..do acids contain codes?
We only term DNA a code because it acts like one....the same way an eye is termed a biological camera...

plaetton:

If god is very real, then perhaps you can tell us the meaning of the word " faith ", and why faith is necessary for god that is very real.

You said god is not real? You may be right. I cant say anything about god but i can say about God. God is very real. You know the meaning of faith so i dont need to define it again. Without faith it is impossible to please God. If you are talking about god then sorry i'm the wrong person you can discuss that with. I can only discuss God.

plaetton:


And while you are that, kindly tell us the meaning of backsliding, and losing faith, and why Christians tend to backslide and lose faith in a God that is very real.

Backsliding does not necessarily mean denying the existence of God. Backsliding can be used on a christian who goes back to his old sinful life or a zealous christian who gradually stops being zealous in the things of God etc. Peter denied Jesus, thats backsliding, but he didnt go atheist. To lose faith in God is for people like you who left God to join atheism.

Now i ask you, why do people leave atheism to become christians again if atheism is the real thing? Does atheism lack real answers or what? I have quite a good number of them who are now wonderful and zealous christians. Even here in nairaland we have a good example too by name- Banom.

plaetton:


And lest I forget, for a God that is very real, what is the difference between prayers and special prayer? This question is one that every Christian runs away from. I wonder if you would be bold enough to answer it.

Kindly show me where the bible mentioned special prayer and lets take it up from there. I dont mean what pastor or any christian said. I am a bible believing christian so whatever i discuss about God with you must be bible based.

N/B. I edited the other places you wrote god, if you want me to talk about my God then you have to write God. writing god will mean you are refering to another god which i cant provide answers for you about. thanks.

davien:
You keep saying "god is real"....but you can't demonstrate it to be true...is there knowledge that cannot be shown to be factual in any sense?

Sorry i didnt say god is real. I dont know god and whether he is real or not. I only know God and he is real.

honourhim:


You said god is not real? You may be right. I cant say anything about god but i can say about God. God is very real. You know the meaning of faith so i dont need to define it again. Without faith it is impossible to please God. If you are talking about god then sorry i'm the wrong person you can discuss that with. I can only discuss God.



Backsliding does not necessarily mean denying the existence of God. Backsliding can be used on a christian who goes back to his old sinful life or a zealous christian who gradually stops being zealous in the things of God etc. Peter denied Jesus, thats backsliding, but he didnt go atheist. To lose faith in God is for people like you who left God to join atheism.

Now i ask you, why do people leave atheism to become christians again if atheism is the real thing. I have quite a good number of them who are now wonderful and zealous christians? Even here in nairaland we have a good example too by name- Banom.



Kindly show me where the bible mentioned special prayer and lets take it up from there. I dont mean what pastor or any christian said. I am a bible believing christian so whatever i discuss about God with you must be bible based.

N/B. I edited the other places you wrote god, if you want me to talk about my God then you have to write God. writing god will mean you are refering to another god which i cant provide answers for you about. thanks.

Thanks for the copout.

davien:
All you have to do is tell me how you deduced deoxyribonucleic acid to contain a code..do acids contain codes?
We only term DNA a code because it acts like one....the same way an eye is termed a biological camera...

Go and read the article I referred you to earlier.

plaetton:


Thanks for the copout.

cop out ke?

Mynd44:

I will tell you in private after I hold tour bossom


You na

that is what they call ashewo kobo kobo

mynd44 mynd yourself o and stop dreaming

my spiritual self in the underwater realm?

UyiIredia:


The existence of the universe and life in it cement the existence of God.

That's what I keep telling people. The hands of Allah can be seen in his work. Power to Allah and Mohammed his prophet (pbuh).

May the wrath of Allah descend on the families of those who preach a message contrary to a complete submission to Him.