UyiIredia:


It's an inference based on the fact of men making codes. And animals to a lesser extent. I really don't need to detail it for it to be true.

The burden of proof is on you my friend....educate me on how biological codes are known to you to be created and by what mind?

Weah96:


That's what I keep telling people. The hands of Allah can be seen in his work. Power to Allah and Mohammed his prophet (pbuh).

May the wrath of Allah descend on the families of those who preach a message contrary to a complete submission to Him.

You are an Islamic time bomb, waiting to detonate.

NoContract:


You are an Islamic time bomb, waiting to detonate.

Only the will of Allah matters to me. Everything else, including your opinion, is secondary.

Embrace your creator, or face the punishment later.

davien:
The burden of proof is on you my friend....educate me on how biological codes are known to you to be created and by what mind?

Codes have never been seen to be made by blind natural processes. Codes require intelligence to be made as seen in humans. Given the fact that living things are coded systems it makes sense to conclude that they were created by an intelligent being. I really don't have to detail HOW they are created. That's speculative.

davien:
True...bear in mind that oxygen was only in minute quantities...
And you don't have to believe the earth had a reducing atmosphere,your DNA reeks of a reducing atmosphere....hence being deoxygenated.

20% of the atmosphere isn't minute.

"However, based on today's volcanic evidence, it is now thought that the early atmosphere would have probably contained 60% hydrogen, 20% oxygen (mostly in the form of water vapour), 10% carbon dioxide, 5 to 7% hydrogen sulfide, and smaller amounts of nitrogen,
carbon monoxide, free hydrogen . . ." - from Wikipedia's abiogenesis page.

UyiIredia:


20% of the atmosphere isn't minute.

"However, based on today's volcanic evidence, it is now thought that the early atmosphere would have probably contained 60% hydrogen, 20% oxygen (mostly in the form of water vapour), 10% carbon dioxide, 5 to 7% hydrogen sulfide, and smaller amounts of nitrogen,
carbon monoxide, free hydrogen . . ." - from Wikipedia's abiogenesis page.

How isn't it minute when the 20% is mostly water vapour?

UyiIredia:


Codes have never been seen to be made by blind natural processes.

We've gone past this...and the answer is yes...why do you keep bringing it up as though anyone objects to this?

Codes require intelligence to be made as seen in humans.

Artificial codes require intelligence to be made(out of pre-existing structures)

Given the fact that living things are coded systems it makes sense to conclude that they were created by an intelligent being.

What makes sense to you have no merit in an argument....
Living things manipulate pre-existing things to create non-biological codes...
Now the fact that living things are analogous of artificial codes tells you nothing about how they originated...unless you can demonstrate your claim to be the case.

I really don't have to detail HOW they are created. That's speculative.

I am not asking for specifics....you claimed a "mind" is required to make biological codes...where is the evidence for such a mind?...and since it isn't a human mind(or any other known animal),then what mind is it?

Weah96:


Only the will of Allah matters to me. Everything else, including your opinion, is secondary.

Embrace your creator, or face the punishment later.

I will embrace the creator, only if you explain how the creator came into existence.

Fool of the 21st century. Religious extremist. Carry your bitter heart to hades.

Weah96:


Only the will of Allah matters to me. Everything else, including your opinion, is secondary.

Embrace your creator, or face the punishment later.

I will embrace the creator, only if you explain how the creator came into existence. Did he/she/what materialized out of thin air?

Fool of the 21st century.

Weah96:


Only the will of Allah matters to me. Everything else, including your opinion, is secondary.

Embrace your creator, or face the punishment later.

Obviously you are a confused boy. An atheist preaching Allah? Shows you don't even know where to stand. The shame of atheism is catching on you fast.

honourhim:


Obviously you are a confused boy. An atheist preaching Allah? Shows you don't even know where to stand. The shame of atheism is catching on you fast.

See this one. Your Caucasian male God has corrupted your intellect to the point where sarcasm flies by your brain like the wind.

Commot for road!

Weah96:


See this one. Your Caucasian male God has corrupted your intellect to the point where sarcasm flies by your brain like the wind.

Commot for road!

Shut up and stop hiding your shame. I was waiting for your silly excuse.

Today you ll talk atheism, next day you talk flying goat, next day you talk flying spaghetti, now its Allah. What a confused boy you are. Keep messing yourself up and be covering it up with sacarsm.

We have always preached Christ to you because we are sure of our stand. We don't have time to engage in useless sacarsm which you hide under to showcase your foolishness and confused state.

Meanwhile how are you dealing with your "supertitious and foolish parents, uncles and aunties"(according to you the wise one)?

honourhim:


Shut up and stop hiding your shame. I was waiting for your silly excuse.

Today you ll talk atheism, next day you talk flying goat, next day you talk flying spaghetti, now its Allah. What a confused boy you are. Keep messing yourself up and be covering it up with sacarsm.

We have always preached Christ to you because we are sure of our stand. We don't have time to engage in useless sacarsm which you hide under to showcase your foolishness and confused state.

Meanwhile how are you dealing with your "supertitious and foolish parents, uncles and aunties"(according to you the wise one)?

Who is we? Speak for yourself. You haven't been able to convince other fellow CHRIST-TARDS here that you follow the correct version of the WHITE man, but it's me you wanna convince?

Oya, keep praying to Jim Caviezel. See how far it gets you. #Pinhead.

Weah96:


Who is we? Speak for yourself. You haven't been able to convince other fellow CHRIST-TARDS here that you follow the correct version of the WHITE man, but it's me you wanna convince?

Oya, keep praying to Jim Caviezel. See how far it gets you. #Pinhead.

Me trying to convince you? See dreamer. That's what your small brain tells you.
I'm just exposing your foolishness since you always like quoting me. I don't usually care about you.

honourhim:


Me trying to convince you? See dreamer. That's what your small brain tells you.
I'm just exposing your foolishness since you always like quoting me. I don't usually care about you.

First expose your brothers right here on NL who worship a different WHITE man than your own white male model.
Leave me out of it. The slave masters have entrapped your weak brain. There's no need for physical chains and manual chores when you're walking around praying to a Caucasian male every 5 seconds.

Weah96:


First expose your brothers right here on NL who worship a different WHITE man than your own white male model.
Leave me out of it. The slave masters have entrapped your weak brain. There's no need for physical chains and manual chores when you're walking around praying to a Caucasian male every 5 seconds.

Foolish brain that says his parents, aunties and uncles are superstitious and foolish. You are truly a pathetic case Thats the madness that comes along with atheism.

honourhim:


Foolish brain that says his parents, aunties and uncles are superstitious and foolish. You are truly a pathetic case Thats the madness that comes along with atheism.

You don't function well without groups. GTFOH.

davien:
We've gone past this...and the answer is yes...why do you keep bringing it up as though anyone objects to this?

B'cos you ignore the implication. It rules out the possibility of life having arising or evolving naturally since living things are systems based on a code.

davien:
Artificial codes require intelligence to be made(out of pre-existing structures)

Okay.

davien:
What makes sense to you have no merit in an argument....
Living things manipulate pre-existing things to create non-biological codes...
Now the fact that living things are analogous of artificial codes tells you nothing about how they originated...unless you can demonstrate your claim to be the case.

It does. In fact, it is an inductive inference. Artificial codes require intelligence, therefore biological codes do, ESPECIALLY since the only other option (biological codes evolving naturally) is ruled out.

davien:
I am not asking for specifics....you claimed a "mind" is required to make biological codes...where is the evidence for such a mind?...and since it isn't a human mind(or any other known animal),then what mind is it?

See above.

UyiIredia:


B'cos you ignore the implication. It rules out the possibility of life having arising or evolving naturally since living things are systems based on a code.

No it doesn't....the evolution of life and beginning of life are two seperate things....the former is a known function of inheritance....the latter is not fully understood..it has not been demonstrated to be impossible....nor possible...so it is left not fully understood..

Okay.

okay

It does. In fact, it is an inductive inference. Artificial codes require intelligence, therefore biological codes do, ESPECIALLY since the only other option (biological codes evolving naturally) is ruled out.

That is special pleading...not an inductive inference...and like I said above,the beginning of life and evolution of life are totally different.....DNA does evolve...that is a fact of life..
So its best you present something evidential about your "codes" being created(without special pleading)

See above.

don't dodge the question...

davien:
you claimed a "mind" is required to
make biological codes...where is the evidence for such a
mind?...and since it isn't a human mind(or any other known
animal),then what mind is it?

davien:
No it doesn't....the evolution of life and beginning of life are two seperate things....the former is a known function of inheritance....the latter is not fully understood..it has not been demonstrated to be impossible....nor possible...so it is left not fully understood..

No. Evolution (of one species into another eg apes to man or fish to reptile) isn't a known function of inheritance. There's no way the theory can be consistent with the fact of living things always reproducing their like. Also, while life's origins and evolution are seperate they are connected. One invariably leads to the other. BTW if life isn't shown to have originated naturally then evolutionary theory goes out the window since the universal common ancestor would be unaccounted for.

davien:
That is special pleading...not an inductive inference...and like I said above,the beginning of life and evolution of life are totally different.....DNA does evolve...that is a fact of life..
So its best you present something evidential about your "codes" being created(without special pleading)

It would be special pleading if I just said God created life. I didn't. I drew similarities between biological and artificial codes and inferred design.

davien:
don't dodge the question...

I didn't. If you disagree with my argument so far your question can't be answered. It will just be a waste of my time.