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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:39am On Dec 11, 2014
patches689:

Well dobe you scared off a supply ship

Nigerias biggest naval acheivement!!

We sent a Naval ship back to the docks........ as usual with the GEJ presidency on Zuma.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:41am On Dec 11, 2014
patches689:


They have sold around 50 Mbombe

Has nigeria ever sold anything to anyone?

They have sold nothing. The mbombo is a piece of junk, military failure. Just like the Marauder and that toy plane Ahrlac.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 1:42am On Dec 11, 2014
jln115:

I have, cant find anything except for the patrol boats you brought from us and the patrol boats gifted to you by the NPA(Nigerian Ports Authority) and your own navy website states nothing of the sort.

https://www.nairaland.com/358286/tribute-nigerian-military-pictures/2


RIVERLINE WARFARE COMBATANTS GALORE!!!

A few years ago, Nigeria made a requisition for 200 river gunboats from the USA. This, according to information put out in the public domain at that time, was to enable the Nigerian military stay on top of the daunting security challenges in the vast, oil-bearing region that is the Niger Delta.

The eventual acquisition of a little over that number of boats from elsewhere was necessitated by the fact that the US were somewhat reluctant to assist in fulfilling this pressing requirement.

With the raging conflict in the creeks of the Niger delta, oil theft by organised syndicates,kidnapping,pirate attacks and petro-terrorism thriving regardless, the Nigerian Federal Government was thus constrained to look elsewhere for answers to pressing security challenges, in the process kickstarting what is easily the second-largest wholesale procurement and delivery of river patrol and landing craft anywhere in the world. The said procurement is exceeded in its scale, only by the delivery of 15-meter Swiftboats PCF and 9-meter PCR river gunboats to the US Forces who saw action in the Mekong Delta during the Vietnam War.

Alongside a pair of 38 metre Sea Eagle Offshore Patrol Craft, the entire haul of about 215 river gunboats and landing craft which came through the Suncraft-Strategic Marine partnership are believed to have been paid for in a Direct Intervention Funding deal worth hundreds of millions of dollars which was bankrolled by the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation.


Suncraft Stingray gunboat : Standard issue for the Army Amphibious Forces

CONFIRMED DELIVERIES OF OVER 200 RIVER GUNBOATS LANDING CRAFT TO THE NIGERIAN ARMED FORCES

PREAMBLE: This report focuses ONLY on the CONTRACT won by SINGAPORE’s SUNCRAFT GROUP for which the actual construction was outsourced to the AUSTRALIA’s STRATEGIC MARINE GROUP’s SHIPYARDS with shipyards in Australia, Vietnam and Mexico.

PROOF: WEBLINK TO BE VIEWED
http://www.strategicmarine.com/media/19 … ements.pdf
*PROJECT DATE: 2008-9
YARD BUILT: VIETNAM
QUANTITY: 4 (FOUR) UNITS
DESCRIPTION: 20-METRE LANDING CRAFT
VESSEL NAME:
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA

*PROJECT DATE: 2008-9
YARD BUILT: AUSTRALIA
QUANTITY: 15 (FIFTEEN) UNITS
DESCRIPTION: 16-METRE PATROL VESSELS
VESSEL NAME:
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
*PROJECT DATE: 2008-9
YARD BUILT: VIETNAM
QUANTITY: 40 (FORTY UNITS)
DESCRIPTION: 12-METRE PATROL VESSELS
VESSEL NAME:
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
*PROJECT DATE: 2008
YARD BUILT: AUSTRALIA
QUANTITY: 4 (FOUR) UNITS
DESCRIPTION: 17-METRE PATROL VESSELS
VESSEL NAME: MANTA
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
Note that with the delivery of THREE more MANTA boats to the Nigerian Navy in May 2011, the Nigerian Navy are now estimated to field about 15 units of Manta ASD Littoral Interceptor.

*PROJECT DATE: 2005-8
YARD BUILT: AUSTRALIA
QUANTITY: 150 (ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY)
DESCRIPTION: 10-METRE LANDING/PATROL CRAFT
VESSEL NAME: SCORPION MK.II
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA


SUNCRAFT Manta ASD Littoral Patrol Interceptors of the Nigerian Navy - May 2011 deliveries

FURTHER READING:TECHNICAL DATA

*STINGRAY 20 SPD
20 metre Landing Craft
CUSTOMER : Suncraft International
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
Specifications
Length 20 metres
Beam 5.6 metres
Draft 0.8 metres
Maximum Speed
20 knots
Number of Engines 2
Power (MCR) 890 HP
Total Constructed=4

*STINGRAY 17 SPD
17 metre Patrol Vessel
Specifications
Length 17 metres
Beam 3.6 metres
Draft 0.95 metres
Max Speed 45 knots
Number of Engines 2
Power(MCR) 2400 HP
Total Constructed=4

*STINGRAY 16 SPD
16 metre Patrol Vessel
CUSTOMER: Suncraft International
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
Specifications
Length 16.0 metres
Beam 4.1 metres
Draft 0.7 metres
Max Speed 30 knots
Number of Engines 2
Power (MCR) 1200 HP
Total Constructed=15

*STINGRAY 12 SPD
12 metre Patrol Boat
CUSTOMER: Suncraft International
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
Specifications
Length 12.0 metres
Beam 3.6 metres
Draft 0.6 metres
Max Speed 30 knots
Number of Engines 2
Power (MCR) 700 HP
Total Constructed=40

*STINGRAY 10 OBM
10 metre Landing Craft
CUSTOMER: Suncraft International
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
Specifications
Length 10.00 metres
Beam 3.05 metres
Draft 0.35 metres
Max Speed 35 knots
Number of Engines 2
Power (MCR) 600 HP
Total Constructed=150

The foregoing immense haul of platforms eventually came to the amphibious and special forces of the NA and to regular seamen of the Nigerian Navy and sheds light on the sheer size of the Area of Responsibilty to be manned in the vast wetlands region that is the Niger Delta, an area equal in size to Scotland and Belgium combined and encompassing a maze of 3,014 creeks and waterways.

The delivery of the said river gunboats and landing craft ensured that at the time of the commencement of the amnesty programme, the Nigerian military had made very significant gains in the task of providing security in the Niger Delta and consigned the insurgent action to the realm of sabotage of isolated pipelines in far-flung villages.

The more lucrative militant pastimes of kidnapping, pirate attacks and hijackings of shipping and oil tankers had been drastically curtailed. The supply and logistics chains of insurgent groups had also been severely disrupted.

Indeed, Ateke Tom, one of the four principal militia commanders affiliated to the umbrella MEND group was quoted as saying at the time that he acceded to the precepts of the amnesty programme, that the Joint Task Force had effectively blockaded the creeks and made movement of militants and supplies for his Niger Delta Vigilante, next to impossible. He thus chose the path to peace.

Again and following the delivery of these riverline warfare combatants, the Joint Task Force frequently went on the offensive, attacking militant camps and destroying hundreds of improvised and illegal oil refineries across the Niger Delta.

Renegade commanders such as the self-styled ‘General’ John Togo of the Niger Delta Liberation Force, who remained outside of the amnesty process, were attacked and pursued reentlessly until he was eventually killed in battle sometime in May 2011.

Moving on, the NAUTICA NOVA shipyards of Malaysia, Singapore Technologies Marine and a myriad of Nigerian boatyards are believed to have also constructed a range of numerous other river gunboats,military houseboats and landing craft for the Nigerian Navy’s regular seamen and SBS commandos. Those have not been listed here.

From the Western orbit, the haul of the RBS(Defender) boats from the USA consisted of 35 boats. Rigid Hull Inflatable Boats(RHIBs) and NC 27 Tactical Insertion/Deployment craft for the Navy’s Special Boat Service Command,an elite unit trained with Pakistani and Israeli assistance, were acquired from the USA.

Also intended for the benefit of naval SBS commandos and according to the website ‘stopwapenhandel’ , “the relationship between the Nigerian Navy and TP Marine(Holland) started in 2009 with the sale of 20 high-speed troop-carrying catamarans for 4.8 million euros. These K38 vessels “can providence covert striking power against critical targets, as well as protecting offshore resources and assets.” And accordion thing to TP Marine th ey are “Ideally suited for rapid response, Amphibious deployment or commands or regular patrol work.” The ultramodern 11.8-meter combat catamarans reportedly went into commercial production in 2009.

The Navy also reportedly received JEDI boats which are thought to have been in the dozens.


Spend your own time to google stuff, I wont repeat old posts for every new South African, I dont get paid for my time on nairaland

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:45am On Dec 11, 2014
MikeCZAR:
Where's Nigeria's modern supply ship?

NO, Aradu and Thunder are much older then her.

NNS Ambe, NNS Lana, NNS ologbo.

Aradu is a modern 1983 vessel. With NNS thunder the Nigerian Navy can circumnavigate the Continent of Africa. Plus, the ship is designed to carry out specific roles, roles she's damn good at.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:50am On Dec 11, 2014
MduZA:


if you do not know anything....you will miss everything

You should actually be telling this to yourself. Nissan SA only supports Nissan Nigeria, Nissan Nigeria is part of the Stallion group which has at-least 8 different vehicle manufactures under it.

Dummy learn.


PAN, volkswagen, steyr,leyland, Ammanco et al have always operated since the 80's and 70's in Nigeria.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AugustineAgain: 1:52am On Dec 11, 2014
SEPTEMEBER 2009

The Nigerian Navy sought the Federal Government’s approval to upgrade and expand the Navy considerably, including adding 49 warships and 42 helicopters.

The goal of the naval expansion would be to safeguard national maritime security interests, both in Nigerian territorial waters and in the Gulf of Guinea.

SHORT TERM(0-2 YEARS)

Under the immediate plan which is expected to span a period of two years, the Federal Government should add to the inventory of the Nigerian Navy;

• two light frigates

• two 85 metre OPVs

• six Manta-class IPCs

• six Shaldag MK II patrol craft

• two 38 metre FPBs

• two Agusta A109 helicopters

• one LPD

• two logistics ships.

MEDIUM TERM(2-5 YEARS)

In the medium term, the CNS said the Nigerian Navy would require;

• ten OPVs

• 20 helicopters

• one hydrographic ship

• two training ships

• two logistics ships

• two MCMVs

LONG TERM(5-10 YEARS)

Requires that the Federal Government procure;

• three submarines

• two corvettes

• two LPDs

• 20 long-range maritime patrol helicopters

• two training ships

• two MCMVs

Source Defenceweb
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:55am On Dec 11, 2014
jln115:
2 heroine class subs and a T-craft class IPV:

A total waste of money as usual. One of those subs only returned to service after 7 years at the Docks.

Like your Gripen, Like your Subs, same as your Frigates with an inferior combat suite.

Buy, what you can afford. It's just common sense.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:01am On Dec 11, 2014
jln115:


Nigeria does not have t-72,also no 3rd gen jf-17
BTW Nigeria buys cheap Chinese and Russian build equipment not expensive equipment

Nigeria always operated T-72's. They aren't new in N.A service.

Like the scrap metal Gripens have shown, Price doesn't equal quality.

The only Nation to have comprehensively defeated terrorists is Sri-Lanka, they performed this military blitz streak using mainly Chinese gear.

The chinese have displaced the french to number 4, in the military export list. The Russians are the 2nd largest.

You buy what works, not what is more expensive.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:02am On Dec 11, 2014
EVarn:
eh..mr patchypatchy,didnt you call the scorpion jet a "worthless piece of junk" just last week?

You see that fraudster?

He's as confused as, "what part of the bed is actually the right part".
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:05am On Dec 11, 2014
patches689:


Nigeria does not have any operational missile armed ships.

You have a chronic warship shortage

And again, you are moving the goalposts

Nigeria has 1 Frigate
5 corvettes
And many more missile armed boats.

These vessels saw action, as recently as Nigeria's second intervention in liberia's civil war, the battle for free-town, and Nigeria's Gun-boat wars.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:13am On Dec 11, 2014
patches689:


The tenders are out.

Its meerly a matter of selecting what we want.

7 Frigates

Deal with it cool

Also: The irony of this guy, non-existant JF-17 deal and he has been bragging like they are sitting in a runway in Abuja.

It merely a matter of first "actually" approving the Project Biro, it's the end of the year, and you're still talking an imaginary project biro.

Same project that has been on since 1997.

I won't stay up if I were you, it's just another fallacy.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:14am On Dec 11, 2014
Henry120:


They have sold nothing. The mbombo is a piece of junk, military failure. Just like the Marauder and that toy plane Ahrlac.

Lol

Whatever you need to say to sleep at night

Who have you sold your half south african armoured car to?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:15am On Dec 11, 2014
AugustineAgain:


https://www.nairaland.com/358286/tribute-nigerian-military-pictures/2


RIVERLINE WARFARE COMBATANTS GALORE!!!

A few years ago, Nigeria made a requisition for 200 river gunboats from the USA. This, according to information put out in the public domain at that time, was to enable the Nigerian military stay on top of the daunting security challenges in the vast, oil-bearing region that is the Niger Delta.

The eventual acquisition of a little over that number of boats from elsewhere was necessitated by the fact that the US were somewhat reluctant to assist in fulfilling this pressing requirement.

With the raging conflict in the creeks of the Niger delta, oil theft by organised syndicates,kidnapping,pirate attacks and petro-terrorism thriving regardless, the Nigerian Federal Government was thus constrained to look elsewhere for answers to pressing security challenges, in the process kickstarting what is easily the second-largest wholesale procurement and delivery of river patrol and landing craft anywhere in the world. The said procurement is exceeded in its scale, only by the delivery of 15-meter Swiftboats PCF and 9-meter PCR river gunboats to the US Forces who saw action in the Mekong Delta during the Vietnam War.

Alongside a pair of 38 metre Sea Eagle Offshore Patrol Craft, the entire haul of about 215 river gunboats and landing craft which came through the Suncraft-Strategic Marine partnership are believed to have been paid for in a Direct Intervention Funding deal worth hundreds of millions of dollars which was bankrolled by the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation.


Suncraft Stingray gunboat : Standard issue for the Army Amphibious Forces

CONFIRMED DELIVERIES OF OVER 200 RIVER GUNBOATS LANDING CRAFT TO THE NIGERIAN ARMED FORCES

PREAMBLE: This report focuses ONLY on the CONTRACT won by SINGAPORE’s SUNCRAFT GROUP for which the actual construction was outsourced to the AUSTRALIA’s STRATEGIC MARINE GROUP’s SHIPYARDS with shipyards in Australia, Vietnam and Mexico.

PROOF: WEBLINK TO BE VIEWED
http://www.strategicmarine.com/media/19 … ements.pdf
*PROJECT DATE: 2008-9
YARD BUILT: VIETNAM
QUANTITY: 4 (FOUR) UNITS
DESCRIPTION: 20-METRE LANDING CRAFT
VESSEL NAME:
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA

*PROJECT DATE: 2008-9
YARD BUILT: AUSTRALIA
QUANTITY: 15 (FIFTEEN) UNITS
DESCRIPTION: 16-METRE PATROL VESSELS
VESSEL NAME:
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
*PROJECT DATE: 2008-9
YARD BUILT: VIETNAM
QUANTITY: 40 (FORTY UNITS)
DESCRIPTION: 12-METRE PATROL VESSELS
VESSEL NAME:
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
*PROJECT DATE: 2008
YARD BUILT: AUSTRALIA
QUANTITY: 4 (FOUR) UNITS
DESCRIPTION: 17-METRE PATROL VESSELS
VESSEL NAME: MANTA
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
Note that with the delivery of THREE more MANTA boats to the Nigerian Navy in May 2011, the Nigerian Navy are now estimated to field about 15 units of Manta ASD Littoral Interceptor.

*PROJECT DATE: 2005-8
YARD BUILT: AUSTRALIA
QUANTITY: 150 (ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY)
DESCRIPTION: 10-METRE LANDING/PATROL CRAFT
VESSEL NAME: SCORPION MK.II
CLIENT: SUNCRAFT INTERNATIONAL
COUNTRY: NIGERIA


SUNCRAFT Manta ASD Littoral Patrol Interceptors of the Nigerian Navy - May 2011 deliveries

FURTHER READING:TECHNICAL DATA

*STINGRAY 20 SPD
20 metre Landing Craft
CUSTOMER : Suncraft International
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
Specifications
Length 20 metres
Beam 5.6 metres
Draft 0.8 metres
Maximum Speed
20 knots
Number of Engines 2
Power (MCR) 890 HP
Total Constructed=4

*STINGRAY 17 SPD
17 metre Patrol Vessel
Specifications
Length 17 metres
Beam 3.6 metres
Draft 0.95 metres
Max Speed 45 knots
Number of Engines 2
Power(MCR) 2400 HP
Total Constructed=4

*STINGRAY 16 SPD
16 metre Patrol Vessel
CUSTOMER: Suncraft International
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
Specifications
Length 16.0 metres
Beam 4.1 metres
Draft 0.7 metres
Max Speed 30 knots
Number of Engines 2
Power (MCR) 1200 HP
Total Constructed=15

*STINGRAY 12 SPD
12 metre Patrol Boat
CUSTOMER: Suncraft International
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
Specifications
Length 12.0 metres
Beam 3.6 metres
Draft 0.6 metres
Max Speed 30 knots
Number of Engines 2
Power (MCR) 700 HP
Total Constructed=40

*STINGRAY 10 OBM
10 metre Landing Craft
CUSTOMER: Suncraft International
COUNTRY: NIGERIA
Specifications
Length 10.00 metres
Beam 3.05 metres
Draft 0.35 metres
Max Speed 35 knots
Number of Engines 2
Power (MCR) 600 HP
Total Constructed=150

The foregoing immense haul of platforms eventually came to the amphibious and special forces of the NA and to regular seamen of the Nigerian Navy and sheds light on the sheer size of the Area of Responsibilty to be manned in the vast wetlands region that is the Niger Delta, an area equal in size to Scotland and Belgium combined and encompassing a maze of 3,014 creeks and waterways.

The delivery of the said river gunboats and landing craft ensured that at the time of the commencement of the amnesty programme, the Nigerian military had made very significant gains in the task of providing security in the Niger Delta and consigned the insurgent action to the realm of sabotage of isolated pipelines in far-flung villages.

The more lucrative militant pastimes of kidnapping, pirate attacks and hijackings of shipping and oil tankers had been drastically curtailed. The supply and logistics chains of insurgent groups had also been severely disrupted.

Indeed, Ateke Tom, one of the four principal militia commanders affiliated to the umbrella MEND group was quoted as saying at the time that he acceded to the precepts of the amnesty programme, that the Joint Task Force had effectively blockaded the creeks and made movement of militants and supplies for his Niger Delta Vigilante, next to impossible. He thus chose the path to peace.

Again and following the delivery of these riverline warfare combatants, the Joint Task Force frequently went on the offensive, attacking militant camps and destroying hundreds of improvised and illegal oil refineries across the Niger Delta.

Renegade commanders such as the self-styled ‘General’ John Togo of the Niger Delta Liberation Force, who remained outside of the amnesty process, were attacked and pursued reentlessly until he was eventually killed in battle sometime in May 2011.

Moving on, the NAUTICA NOVA shipyards of Malaysia, Singapore Technologies Marine and a myriad of Nigerian boatyards are believed to have also constructed a range of numerous other river gunboats,military houseboats and landing craft for the Nigerian Navy’s regular seamen and SBS commandos. Those have not been listed here.

From the Western orbit, the haul of the RBS(Defender) boats from the USA consisted of 35 boats. Rigid Hull Inflatable Boats(RHIBs) and NC 27 Tactical Insertion/Deployment craft for the Navy’s Special Boat Service Command,an elite unit trained with Pakistani and Israeli assistance, were acquired from the USA.

Also intended for the benefit of naval SBS commandos and according to the website ‘stopwapenhandel’ , “the relationship between the Nigerian Navy and TP Marine(Holland) started in 2009 with the sale of 20 high-speed troop-carrying catamarans for 4.8 million euros. These K38 vessels “can providence covert striking power against critical targets, as well as protecting offshore resources and assets.” And accordion thing to TP Marine th ey are “Ideally suited for rapid response, Amphibious deployment or commands or regular patrol work.” The ultramodern 11.8-meter combat catamarans reportedly went into commercial production in 2009.

The Navy also reportedly received JEDI boats which are thought to have been in the dozens.


Spend your own time to google stuff, I wont repeat old posts for every new South African, I dont get paid for my time on nairaland

.

NN = Brown water navy

Confirmed by augubug

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:16am On Dec 11, 2014
patches689:


NNS Centenary is not a major surface combatant

Without SSM's is barely even a combatant

If the need arises, weapon hatches would be installed in it in the Port-Harcourt ship yard.

We purchase what we actually require, "not what we buy and store in a freezer or buy and ground because we cannot carry out simple bookkeeping.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:16am On Dec 11, 2014
Henry120:


NNS Ambe, NNS Lana, NNS ologbo.

Aradu is a modern 1983 vessel. With NNS thunder the Nigerian Navy can circumnavigate the Continent of Africa. Plus, the ship is designed to carry out specific roles, roles she's damn good at.

Nigeria has no maritime supply vessels

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:17am On Dec 11, 2014
AugustineAgain:
SEPTEMEBER 2009

The Nigerian Navy sought the Federal Government’s approval to upgrade and expand the Navy considerably, including adding 49 warships and 42 helicopters.

The goal of the naval expansion would be to safeguard national maritime security interests, both in Nigerian territorial waters and in the Gulf of Guinea.

SHORT TERM(0-2 YEARS)

Under the immediate plan which is expected to span a period of two years, the Federal Government should add to the inventory of the Nigerian Navy;

• two light frigates

• two 85 metre OPVs

• six Manta-class IPCs

• six Shaldag MK II patrol craft

• two 38 metre FPBs

• two Agusta A109 helicopters

• one LPD

• two logistics ships.

MEDIUM TERM(2-5 YEARS)

In the medium term, the CNS said the Nigerian Navy would require;

• ten OPVs

• 20 helicopters

• one hydrographic ship

• two training ships

• two logistics ships

• two MCMVs

LONG TERM(5-10 YEARS)

Requires that the Federal Government procure;

• three submarines

• two corvettes

• two LPDs

• 20 long-range maritime patrol helicopters

• two training ships

• two MCMVs

Source Defenceweb
.

We are in 2014, you barely have any of those

You are failing goal after goal
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:20am On Dec 11, 2014
Henry120:


A total waste of money as usual. One of those subs only returned to service after 7 years at the Docks.

Like your Gripen, Like your Subs, same as your Frigates with an inferior combat suite.

Buy, what you can afford. It's just common sense.

lol

Conventional warfighting abilities are a waste of money?

Sub took 7 years as we did it outselves, which means we now have the skills to upgrade all of them

Our frigates have the same combat suite as the finest ships in tbe french navy, are they obsolete as well?

Subs combat suite is classified, so you are making stuff up again

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:20am On Dec 11, 2014
agaugust:


What does South Africa need Gripen jets for? Your only threat is Rhino poaching, so all you need in SAAF is ARHLAC toy plane for low intensity engagement
.

Nope, they need it for photos, for that retarrd Thiza. Anyway more than half their fleet are coozing up in a freezer.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:23am On Dec 11, 2014
EVarn:
and you gonna fight a naval battle with most of your warships in repairs or grounded?,not forgetting that you now have only one functioning submarine with an half charged battery.

Box that fraudster. grin grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:30am On Dec 11, 2014
MikeCZAR:
They're operated in rotation.

This means SAN always has a frigate and submarine capability, if all four frigates and three submarines were put to sea at the same time it would mean they'll have to undergo maintains and refit at the same time. Leaving SAN with no frigates and submarines.

Like Nigeria, today you have no war fighting ship, as Aradu is un-operational.

At any given time SAN has 2 or 3 frigates and 2 submarines ready.

I knew "Rotation" would be next word out. It seems to be the word that's currently hot in the streets of pretoria.

Are your 26 grounded A109's also operated in rotation?

We have Aradu ,5 other corvettes, and missile crafts.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:32am On Dec 11, 2014
MikeCZAR:
Do you know who's the SA navy Chief of staff?

I don't think so.

Yeah, we all know that Fat in-experienced man who has no Navigational skill and has never been to sea.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:46am On Dec 11, 2014
patches689:


Lol

Whatever you need to say to sleep at night

Who have you sold your half south african armoured car to?

I actually sleep very well at night.

Thank you.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:50am On Dec 11, 2014
patches689:


NN = Brown water navy

Confirmed by augubug

It simply means NN can get whatever NN wants. Threats determine defence procurements.

You don't waste funds on 4 Frigates and 3 useless Subs, then you turn around and claim, it is actually OPV's I need.

Neither do you buy a bunch of overpriced light weight fighter jets, and store them in a storage because you neither have the resources or men to fly and man them.

You buy what you actually need, not what you want.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:52am On Dec 11, 2014
Henry120:


You should actually be telling this to yourself. Nissan SA only supports Nissan Nigeria, Nissan Nigeria is part of the Stallion group which has at-least 8 different vehicle manufactures under it.

Dummy learn.


PAN, volkswagen, steyr,leyland, Ammanco et al have always operated since the 80's and 70's in Nigeria.
the goat could tell you Nissan SA is a south african brand
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:56am On Dec 11, 2014
patches689:


lol

Conventional warfighting abilities are a waste of money?

Sub took 7 years as we did it outselves, which means we now have the skills to upgrade all of them

Our frigates have the same combat suite as the finest ships in tbe french navy, are they obsolete as well?

Subs combat suite is classified, so you are making stuff up again

Subs took 7years because you were too broke to do anything about them. However, the astonishing part was you kept on telling this facade, all SAN subs were operational, even though you were well aware one had been at the docks for 7 years.

I'd just attribute it to your fraud problem.


I'm only reiterating widely held facts made by your fellow country men.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:02am On Dec 11, 2014
Henry120:


Nigeria always operated T-72's. They aren't new in N.A service.

Like the scrap metal Gripens have shown, Price doesn't equal quality.

The only Nation to have comprehensively defeated terrorists is Sri-Lanka, they performed this military blitz streak using mainly Chinese gear.

The chinese have displaced the french to number 4, in the military export list. The Russians are the 2nd largest.

You buy what works, not what is more expensive.

T72 is a terrible tank proven by every war it has fought in

China is a major exporter because theu sell cheap

Are you seriously trying to equate sales with quality?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:03am On Dec 11, 2014
Henry120:


Nigeria has 1 Frigate
5 corvettes
And many more missile armed boats.

These vessels saw action, as recently as Nigeria's second intervention in liberia's civil war, the battle for free-town, and Nigeria's Gun-boat wars.

Nope, you have no operational missile armed warships

And thanks for confirming your navys status as a gun-boat navy

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:04am On Dec 11, 2014
Henry120:


It merely a matter of first "actually" approving the Project Biro, it's the end of the year, and you're still talking an imaginary project biro.

Same project that has been on since 1997.

I won't stay up if I were you, it's just another fallacy.

I guess you missed the part where the SAN has released the tenders for project Biro
7 Frigates, deal with it

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:07am On Dec 11, 2014
agaugust:


Nigeria has ZERO enemies at sea, the only threat is piracy and we wisely purchased over 300 mixed types of IPV, MPV, and OPV including over 60 Stealth combat Catamarans that no country has in Africa.

Nigerian navy has one of the most modern and largest sized patrol force in the whole world, equal to any NATO country including America, Britain and Russia.

We invested over $2 Billion on those patrol vessels instead of buying 3 submarines and 3 missile frigates with the same amount of money. Wisdom of the giant !

By 2015-2018 Nigerian navy master plan shows purchase of 4 missile warships and submarines. Foresight of the giant !

After realizing that submarines and frigates cannot do OPV workloads, South African navy is dreaming of buying OPVs in 2018. Foolishness of the dwarf !
.

Lol
SANDF has massive conventional warfighting ability at sea

Nigerian navy with "mythical" stealth catermarans still cant curb the massive piracy problem in you coast

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:08am On Dec 11, 2014
agaugust:


Same question @Patches asked when he joined this forum, I answered him. I will NOT repeat it for you, use your own time and find them on pages 150 to 350 of this thread.

You guys talk as if you pay me dollars to be searching through old archives of 1,000 pages just to please you.

You all just over-value yourselves, you are not worth it. Type it on google search engine or go back to old posts on this thread and find it page by page, I am not your servant
.

No never showed me anything

so i am also interested to see these "300 stealth catermarans"

Lol
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:10am On Dec 11, 2014
EVarn:
angola will be more of a threat to SA than nigeria due to its close proximity.i've realized that it positively serves national interest for a country to make a few {powerful} enemies.

Angola and South Africa have a "special relationship" they are our biggest regional supporter in terms of global politics and geo-pol
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 4:07am On Dec 11, 2014
Henry120:


P18N ships are the only stealth ships in Africa.

F-91, NNS Centenary
F-92 NNS Unity

Valour class isnt stealth?

Lol ok

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