Kingdompartaker:
Sir, sorry to ask you this question? ARE YOU A JUDAIZER OR A CHRISTIAN

A christopagan is a gentile and an Irealite is an Isrealite.

Show me christians in the kingdom age in your bible.

MostHigh:

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Can you not see the spirit of life in christ is obedient to the law.

Can you not follow in his footsteps?


you have a point regarding the the works from the heart but that is just one side of the coin. one must also be obedient as the master is obedient.

And stop preaching death to christ.

What spirit of life in Christ is obedient to the law? A Christian is not called to obedience to the law but to the faith in Christ's finished works. Christ broke the Law, yet he didn't sin. Have you ever wonder how and why? Why do I have to follow steps of what the Jewish people cannot keep? I think you need to take a journey on how the law was given in the first place and why?

Goshen360:


Why do you put on clothing materials that is made up more than one fabrics? You keep the whole commandments in deed....

You are a big foooooool. You have not been reading.

The law is not in the thou shalts nots;

The Law is in the circumcision of the heart;

Deuteronomy 10:16
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Goshen360:


Which Law are you talking about? Mosaic Law? Yes, abolished!!! Law of Spirit of Life in Christ, NO!!!

So if you go and steal now, you are telling us you will be free from the law since it was abolished?

Goshen360:


What spirit of life in Christ is obedient to the law? A Christian is not called to obedience to the law but to the faith in Christ's finished works. Christ broke the Law, yet he didn't sin. Have you ever wonder how and why? Why do I have to follow steps of what the Jewish people cannot keep? I think you need to take a journey on how the law was given in the first place and why?

You are a mad man.

Israel did not lose it because the laws were difficult to keep, Israel lost it because they chose wickedness, disobedience and idolatry over the commandments of God;

Jeremiah 32:23
23 And they came in, and possessed it; but they obeyed not thy voice, neither walked in thy law; they have done nothing of all that thou commandedst them to do: therefore thou hast caused all this evil to come upon them:


Israel lost it BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO OBEY AND NOT BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT KEEP IT. STOP SPREADING LIES, DEMONIC LIAR

Bidam:
So if you go and steal now, you are telling us you will be free from the law since it was abolished?

I can't steal because the Holy Spirit doesn't produce the fruit of stealing in me.....this is what you are not getting. So I don't steal by the Spirit and the LAW also say, don't steal. So in your mind, you are still saying when I don't steal, it is the law I'm following....I laugh you in 3D. What is the role of the Holy Spirit in your life as a Christian? To help you keep the law?. BTW, I work with my hands to feed myself and my families. So, why will I steal if I can provide for myself and my family?

MrPresident1:


Shdemidemi, mongrel dog.

Do I deserve this from you, my dear friend?

MrPresident1:


You are a mad man.

Israel did not lose it because the laws were difficult to keep, Israel lost it because they chose wickedness, disobedience and idolatry over the commandments of God;

Jeremiah 32:23
23 And they came in, and possessed it; but they obeyed not thy voice, neither walked in thy law; they have done nothing of all that thou commandedst them to do: therefore thou hast caused all this evil to come upon them:


Israel lost it BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO OBEY AND NOT BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT KEEP IT. STOP SPREADING LIES, DEMONIC LIAR

The next time you insult me again, I will send you to your entire family. Talk like an adult and a mature person if you want to discuss.

Okay, that verse you quoted is the whole purpose of the law. THAT IS, DO GOOD AND GET GOOD, DO BAD AND GET EVIL. Israel could not keep the Law and the Law INCLUDING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ARE ALL ABOLISHED. What a Christian live by is the law of Spirit in Christ.

Goshen360:


I can't steal because the Holy Spirit doesn't produce the fruit of stealing in me.....this is what you are not getting. So I don't steal by the Spirit and the LAW also say, don't steal. So in your mind, you are still saying when I don't steal, it is the law I'm following....I laugh you in 3D. What is the role of the Holy Spirit in your life as a Christian? To help you keep the law?

The Word of God is the spirit of God. The Word of God is the Law.

The Word of God is the Holy Spirit.

John 3:34
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him

Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Goshen360:


I can't steal because the Holy Spirit doesn't produce the fruit of stealing in me.....this is what you are not getting. So I don't steal by the Spirit and the LAW also say, don't steal. So in your mind, you are still saying when I don't steal, it is the law I'm following....I laugh you in 3D. What is the role of the Holy Spirit in your life as a Christian? To help you keep the law?

I also laff in 3D when folks like you "claim" it is the holy spirit that allows premarital sex, i laff more when folks claims masturbation and gay marriage is allowed since it is the Holy Spirit that tells them. There was a pastor that claim this same Holy Spirit tells him that his church members should eat grass, what you don't get it the bible as the word of God is the only standard yard of measurement whether the Holy Spirit is saying to you the truth or not. You are the guy that is blind because you still don't get it that the Holy Spirit does not function outside the word of God. The word of God is the standard for all christians not the mosaic law.

Goshen360:


The next time you insult me again, I will send you to your entire family. Talk like an adult and a mature person if you want to discuss.

Okay, that verse you quoted is the whole purpose of the law. THAT IS, DO GOOD AND GET GOOD, DO BAD AND GET EVIL. Israel could not keep the Law and the Law INCLUDING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ARE ALL ABOLISHED. What a Christian live by is the law of Spirit in Christ.

You are mad.

Come at me, I will tear you to pieces. Dolt.

Liar.

Bidam:
I also laff in 3D when folks like you "claim" it is the holy spirit that allows premarital sex, i laff more when folks claims masturbation and gay marriage is allowed since it is the Holy Spirit that tells them. There was a pastor that claim this same Holy Spirit tells him that his church members should eat grass, what you don't get it the bible as the word of God is the only standard yard of measurement whether the Holy Spirit is saying to you the truth or not. You are the guy that is blind because you still don't get it that the Holy Spirit does not function outside the word of God. The word of God is the standard for all christians not the mosaic law.

Bidam is now a Mosaic proponent...

#confuse.com

Scared of the truth?

MostHigh:


Sounds like an anime movie.

can you just tell me whats its about, or are you not eloquent enough to push what is written therin on thier website.

Bidam:
I also laff in 3D when folks like you "claim" it is the holy spirit that allows premarital sex, i laff more when folks claims masturbation and gay marriage is allowed since it is the Holy Spirit that tells them. There was a pastor that claim this same Holy Spirit tells him that his church members should eat grass, what you don't get it the bible as the word of God is the only standard yard of measurement whether the Holy Spirit is saying to you the truth or not. You are the guy that is blind because you still don't get it that the Holy Spirit does not function outside the word of God. The word of God is the standard for all christians not the mosaic law.

I agree that the word of God is the measuring standard for the functionality of the Spirit. But does the Holy Spirit tell you to keep the Mosaic Laws already abolished or keep some and leave some?

2. You're also right when you said: The word of God is the standard for all christians not the mosaic law. Then leave it at that and stop promoting keeping the law or some parts etc.

3. I have told you many times, pre-marital sex is never part of the sin of fornication. You're yet to understand this simple thing. Even you partner, Ola agree to that but just can't do away with traditional man-made doctrines. Even in the Law you promote, pre-marital sex wasn't condemned and mentioned as sin of fornication. It's always some kind of crazy sex outside when you're already married. All through the epistles, acts in the sin of fornication are all mentioned, never pre-marital sex. Well, I'm not talking about whor.ing and prostitu.ting o, private or public. Go and do more study on it and get over this issue.

4. Those you mentioned that said the Holy Spirit told them this or that, I have never said they are right - the word has to be a measuring standard but not in the Mosaic Law because the MOSAIC LAWS WAS NEVER GIVEN OR WRITTEN TO CHRISTIANS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

shdemidemi:


Bidam is now a Mosaic proponent...

#confuse.com

Don't mind Bidam, never seen a person as confused as he is....on one hand, he talks like against keeping the whole law by trying to make some distinctions and on another hand, he talks like the OP, you must keep the law....whether whole or some, he doesn't know.

MrPresident1:


You are mad.

Come at me, I will tear you to pieces. Dolt.

Liar.

Again, that's why I don't come to your thread and MostHigh.....you guys can't discuss without insult. What has insult got to do with this discussion. Respect is reciprocal. Discuss maturely and don't insult.

vooks:
Scared of the truth?

The truth speaks for itself.

Speak and stop pasting link's.

You are not speaking but typing.
Go and read that thread, it will set you free.
Once you are done, come and critique it

MostHigh:


The truth speaks for itself.

Speak and stop pasting link's.

vooks:
You are not speaking but typing.
Go and read that thread, it will set you free.
Once you are done, come and critique it

Thread set you free just as you are free.

Hilarious I tell ya.

shdemidemi:


Bidam is now a Mosaic proponent...

#confuse.com

On the contrary..you are the confused fellows not reading your bible properly. Once you commit sin you fall under the power of the law being a christian is not the issue here. There is no scripture that says the law(whether na moses or na holy spirit law o) was abolished to start with. Quote the scripture let me expose more of your ignorance once and for all you antinomian. The christian has never been free from the moral law, i will keep saying this till it sinks into you and goshen skulls.

Goshen360:


I agree that the word of God is the measuring standard for the functionality of the Spirit. But does the Holy Spirit tell you to keep the Mosaic Laws already abolished or keep some and leave some?

Just quote me a scripture that says the law was abolished.simples.

2. You're also right when you said: The word of God is the standard for all christians not the mosaic law. Then leave it at that and stop promoting keeping the law or some parts etc.

Confused fellow, who gave the law to Moses, na different God give am? Because a christian is under grace doesn't mean he should exhibit lawless behaviours that some of you are promoting on this forum.

3. I have told you many times, pre-marital sex is never part of the sin of fornication. You're yet to understand this simple thing. Even you partner, Ola agree to that but just can't do away with traditional man-made doctrines. Even in the Law you promote, pre-marital sex wasn't condemned and mentioned as sin of fornication. It's always some kind of crazy sex outside when you're already married. All through the epistles, acts in the sin of fornication are all mentioned, never pre-marital sex. Well, I'm not talking about whor.ing and prostitu.ting o, private or public. Go and do more study on it and get over this issue.

You still don't get it do you? Is premarital sex a sin? Yes or no will do..Thanks.

4. Those you mentioned that said the Holy Spirit told them this or that, I have never said they are right - the word has to be a measuring standard but not in the Mosaic Law because the MOSAIC LAWS WAS NEVER GIVEN OR WRITTEN TO CHRISTIANS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

There are alot of things you don't know. All scripture (both OT and NT) is profitable for doctrine, reproof and correction, no one should be discarded by the christian. You understand true doctrine like the issue of premarital sex you are advocating on this forum when you study both the OT and NT. And to make matters worse for you, the OT was the only bible for the NT church for atleast 20 years after the death of Jesus, So this attitude of discarding principles that a christian can glean from the OT is nothing short of idiocy. No scripture is discarded as "being out of date"; even where its literal meaning still applies in a natural sense. There is always a spiritual truth for us on every inspired word of God whether mosaic or non mosaic.

Bidam:
On the contrary..you are the confused fellows not reading your bible properly. Once you commit sin you fall under the power of the law being a christian is not the issue here. There is no scripture that says the law(whether na moses or na holy spirit law o) was abolished to start with. Quote the scripture let me expose more of your ignorance once and for all you antinomian. The christian has never been free from the moral law, i will keep saying this till it sinks into you and goshen skulls.

Mr Bidam where in the bible did you find moral law or other sub divisions of the law given to moses ratified after the death of Christ?

I won't go through the more obvious routes to show you where the bible says we are no longer under the law but under grace, rather I will go through administration change.

Apostle Paul with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit says - Ephesians 3:2

"If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward."

What is dispensation?

it’s a word from which we get the word stewardship or dispensing. If we go to a pharmacy and give him our prescription, he then dispenses what the doctor has ordered, but along with dispensing the product he also gives you explicit instructions. You don’t just take that medicine haphazardly, but rather you follow the instructions that came with the dispensing.

Now bringing it back into the Scriptures, a dispensation was a period of time during which God laid particular dispensational instructions to the human race.

When God called Moses and the Nation of Israel out of Egypt, he brought them around Mt. Sinai. He called Moses to the mount and gave him the law. The law is a dispensation. God's demand was dispensed to the nation of israel- the Law prescribed how they were to worship and how they were to live.

In similitude, Apostle Paul became a steward or a dispenser of a separate administration which prescribe how we should live and worship.

I Corinthians 4:1

"Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and (what’s the next word?) [size=32pt]stewards[/size] of the mysteries of God."

He isn't dispensing the law of Moses(prescribed to the nation of Israel) but he became the steward of the mysteries(secrets) that had been hid in God to the church.

Spare me your kindergaten sermons and answer my question oga.

shdemidemi:


Mr Bidam where in the bible did you find moral law or other sub divisions of the law given to moses ratified after the death of Christ?

I won't go through the more obvious routes to show you where the bible says we are no longer under the law but under grace, rather I will go through administration change.

Apostle Paul with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit says - Ephesians 3:2

"If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward."

What is dispensation?

it’s a word from which we get the word stewardship or dispensing. If we go to a pharmacy and give him our prescription, he then dispenses what the doctor has ordered, but along with dispensing the product he also gives you explicit instructions. You don’t just take that medicine haphazardly, but rather you follow the instructions that came with the dispensing.

Now bringing it back into the Scriptures, a dispensation was a period of time during which God laid particular dispensational instructions to the human race.

When God called Moses and the Nation of Israel out of Egypt, he brought them around Mt. Sinai. He called Moses to the mount and gave him the law. The law is a dispensation. God's demand was dispensed to the nation of israel- the Law prescribed how they were to worship and how they were to live.

In similitude, Apostle Paul became a steward or a dispenser of a separate administration which prescribe how we should live and worship.

I Corinthians 4:1

"Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and (what’s the next word?) [size=32pt]stewards[/size] of the mysteries of God."

He isn't dispensing the law of Moses(prescribed to the nation of Israel) but he became the steward of the mysteries(secrets) that had been hid in God to the church.

Bidam:
Spare me your kindergaten sermons and answer my question oga.

Did you read and understand my 'kindergaten sermons'?

Do you think its right?

We will proceed from your sincere answer.

Peace of the LORD be with us ALL:

Sir, it is True that (Both OT AND NT) is profitable for doctrine, reproof, and correction.for instruction in Righteousness, prepared for good works.

But most sincerely, they both point to one (1) Person, which is JESUS CHRIST. In the Old Testament, JESUS CHRIST is (CONCEALED: Exo 17 vs 6; NUm 20 vs 11; Ps 78 vs 15 and I Cor 10 vs 4), But in the New Testament, JESUS CHRIST is (REVEALED: John 1 vs 1 - 18). Thanks sir.

Kingdompartaker:
Peace of the LORD be with us ALL:

Sir, it is True that (Both OT AND NT) is profitable for doctrine, reproof, and correction.for instruction in Righteousness, prepared for good works.

But most sincerely, they both point to one (1) Person, which is JESUS CHRIST. In the Old Testament, JESUS CHRIST is (CONCEALED: Exo 17 vs 6; NUm 20 vs 11; Ps 78 vs 15 and I Cor 10 vs 4), But in the New Testament, JESUS CHRIST is (REVEALED: John 1 vs 1 - 18). Thanks sir.

God bless you my brother. Thank you for saying the truth as it is. No one can keep the law and that is why grace came, infact grace teaches us to say no to ungodliness and wordly passions and to live self controlled upright and godly lives. but for folks to advocate lawless behaviours like sex before marriages, abortions,masturbations and the likes is what i am kicking against. These antinomians are fond of distorting the pauline epistles. These are the error of lawless men peter warned us to guard against.

shdemidemi:


Mr Bidam where in the bible did you find moral law or other sub divisions of the law given to moses ratified after the death of Christ?

I won't go through the more obvious routes to show you where the bible says we are no longer under the law but under grace, rather I will go through administration change.

Apostle Paul with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit says - Ephesians 3:2

"If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward."

What is dispensation?

it’s a word from which we get the word stewardship or dispensing. If we go to a pharmacy and give him our prescription, he then dispenses what the doctor has ordered, but along with dispensing the product he also gives you explicit instructions. You don’t just take that medicine haphazardly, but rather you follow the instructions that came with the dispensing.

Now bringing it back into the Scriptures, a dispensation was a period of time during which God laid particular dispensational instructions to the human race.

When God called Moses and the Nation of Israel out of Egypt, he brought them around Mt. Sinai. He called Moses to the mount and gave him the law. The law is a dispensation. God's demand was dispensed to the nation of israel- the Law prescribed how they were to worship and how they were to live.

In similitude, Apostle Paul became a steward or a dispenser of a separate administration which prescribe how we should live and worship.

I Corinthians 4:1

"Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and (what’s the next word?) [size=32pt]stewards[/size] of the mysteries of God."

He isn't dispensing the law of Moses(prescribed to the nation of Israel) but he became the steward of the mysteries(secrets) that had been hid in God to the church.

Lokk at this desciple of paul.

Christ hater, why do you find it so hard to do as your master does

He is obedient to the end and all the true desciples after him.

You are a christ hater, a hater of the Laws of God.

Bidam:
God bless you my brother. Thank you for saying the truth as it is. No one can keep the law and that is why grace came, infact grace teaches us to say no to ungodliness and wordly passions and to live self controlled upright and godly lives. but for folks to advocate lawless behaviours like sex before marriages, abortions,masturbations and the likes is what i am kicking against. These antinomians are fond of distorting the pauline epistles. These are the error of lawless men peter warned us to guard against.

antinomians.

MostHigh:


Lokk at this desciple of paul.

Christ hater, why do you find it so hard to do as your master does

He is obedient to the end and all the true desciples after him.

You are a christ hater, a hater of the Laws of God.

Seem you just copy and paste this same thing all through the years.

Well, I am not a Christ hater neither is Apostle Paul. It is unfortunate that you have eyes yet will not see, ears that can't hear. I pray your eyes of understanding becomes illuminated that you may understand the dimension of God revealed by the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Bidam:
God bless you my brother. Thank you for saying the truth as it is. No one can keep the law and that is why grace came, infact grace teaches us to say no to ungodliness and wordly passions and to live self controlled upright and godly lives. but for folks to advocate lawless behaviours like sex before marriages, abortions,masturbations and the likes is what i am kicking against. These antinomians are fond of distorting the pauline epistles. These are the error of lawless men peter warned us to guard against.

Grace came to help you keep the law indeed.

Now that grace is here, have you successfully kept the laws?

shdemidemi:


Grace came to help you keep the law indeed.

Now that grace is here, have you successfully kept the laws?

Shameful.
You are hard headed.
The Law is not in the 'thou shalt nots'
The entire Law is in 'Obey my voice'
What is the voice saying?
Thou shall love the Lord thy God, with all thy heart, with all thy soul with all thy mind.
Circumcise you heart and be no more stiffnecked
This is the summary of the Law, there is no greater law.
He who loves his brother has fulfilled the Law.

Why is this so hard to understand?

shdemidemi:


Seem you just copy and paste this same thing all through the years.

Well, I am not a Christ hater neither is Apostle Paul. It is unfortunate that you have eyes yet will not see, ears that can't hear. I pray your eyes of understanding becomes illuminated that you may understand the dimension of God revealed by the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Who called apostle paul a christ hater

I only mentioned you as a christ hater.

Paul obeyed the law to the very end

christ hater.

Lawless man.