Good Evening.

Brief intro. In my mid 20's, I only decided to take time to study the word of god for the first time. I prayed for the spirit to give understanding. 1 Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned". In this period, I have noticed that there are some things we do/say in the church that don't line up with the word. I will address them (and have already addressed some in other posts). But today I want to focus on a common doctrine; that because we are "under grace", this means we no longer have to observe the Law of Moses. I am not yet decided, but I am leaning towards the idea that we must still obey the Law. After all, Matthew 5:18 says:"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled"

Acts 15 is often used to argue that we do not need to obey the Law of Moses. But I have read an explanation that suggests otherwise. Please read, and share your thoughts:

Understanding Acts 15 is very important, and many people have misunderstood the decision of the Jerusalem council. Lets take a closer look at what actually happened and why.


"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath." (Acts 15:19-21)

This decision was for the Gentiles who are "turning to God". These are new converts, who are just starting to learn about God. So, instead of overwhelming them with too many things at first, they decided to just give them the things that are required for entry into the Synagogue. Forsake Idols, eat clean, and be sexually pure. These are the most important things for pagan Gentiles to learn first, because these things are so deeply associated with pagan worship practices.

People overlook Acts 15:21, but it is ver important:
"Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."

Why does this matter? Because these new Gentile converts were expected to attend Synagogue on the Sabbath and learn what Moses taught. You see, the apostles concluded that the Gentiles will learn Torah as they attend Synagogue every Sabbath.

It is obvious that there are more than four commandments that apply to Gentile converts. We obviously expect them to not murder, not steal, and not blaspheme. What about the two greatest commandments to love God and our Neighbour? Those obviously apply too, but they are not mentioned by the Jerusalem council. The only reason that these things are mentioned is because of their urgent application. These new Gentile converts (former pagans) were expected to immediately forsake and reject their paganism.

You see, even the early Gentile converts were expected to UNLEARN their pagan ways.

am not sure i reaaly grasped the whole of what you said but, the sumation of the laws of moses is what Jesus came to preach 1)LOVE (GOD WITH YOUR ALL YOUR MIGHT, MIND ETC AND THY NEIGBOUR AS THY SELF, BEACUSE IN LOVING THY NEIGBOUR, UR LOVING GOD, BECAUSE HE IS AN IMAGE AND DWELLING PLACE OF THE ALMIGHTY also a close obeservation of the laws of moses is simply laws that teach on displaying love in different ways
2)THE LAW OF FAITH

in other words the LAW OF LOVE AND THE LAW OF FAITH IS WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR OBEDIENCE(LIFE SPIRITUALLY) UNDER GRACE.

Great post.I love discuss law of moses n christianity because I hv been a teacher of d law all my christian life.thank God for freedom in Christ.there are judaizer christians everywhere n as u start topic now,thy angry.I was discussing with one of them on another thread but she knows nothing about d law of moses she teaching.these judaizers who say christians to obey Moses law n same keep Christ law are enemies of d cross n dats y I fight them mercilessly.christians don't hv to obey Moses law but Christ law.

flourishG: Great post.I love discuss law of moses n christianity because I hv been a teacher of d law all my christian life.thank God for freedom in Christ.there are judaizer christians everywhere n as u start topic now,thy angry.I was discussing with one of them on another thread but she knows nothing about d law of moses she teaching.these judaizers who say christians to obey Moses law n same keep Christ law are enemies of d cross n dats y I fight them mercilessly.christians don't hv to obey Moses law but Christ law.

May I ask what exactly is the law of Christ? Because, as I understand it, everything Jesus and Paul taught was from he old testament. NT was not written then. This is one topic I find difficult to crack. But shall get there by God's grace.

@JesusisLord85,
Your topic is quite revealing. What are these laws of Moses you mentioned? @Cescky made some valid points though. The laws of Moses did show some ways to display the law of God.
Also did you take time to study the 10 commandments God gave the Israelites directly on Mount Sinai in Exodus 20:1-17 and Deuteronomy 4:12. One thing I personally noticed there is that God did not go through Moses to give those commandments to the Israelites....He gave it to them with His own voice directly. This was what Jesus Christ said was all encapsulated in two commands which are love God and your neighbour.
Could you let us discuss this.

JesusisLord85:

May I ask what exactly is the law of Christ? Because, as I understand it, everything Jesus and Paul taught was from he old testament. NT was not written then. This is one topic I find difficult to crack. But shall get there by God's grace.

good question. Christ have only one law for his body which he is d head,the church.it is called the law of the spirit of life.I will tell u how it works n what it is as we progress.what Christ summarized into love is d ten commandment.we going to hv great time on this thread I promise u.

Alwaystrue: @JesusisLord85,
Your topic is quite revealing. What are these laws of Moses you mentioned? @Cescky made some valid points though. The laws of Moses did show some ways to display the law of God.
Also did you take time to study the 10 commandments God gave the Israelites directly on Mount Sinai in Exodus 20:1-17 and Deuteronomy 4:12. One thing I personally noticed there is that God did not go through Moses to give those commandments to the Israelites....He gave it to them with His own voice directly. This was what Jesus Christ said was all encapsulated in two commands which are love God and your neighbour.
Could you let us discuss this.

thank God u here.u gonna hear great things here.maybe that will help u leave Judaism behind.first u need to tell us as I hv clearly stated Christians are not n must not obey d laws of Moses.tell us your stand,must christians obey d laws of moses or not so we can clearly understand u.thank u.I will b gentle with u here n u b my frd at d end.

flourishG: good question. Christ have only one law for his body which he is d head,the church.it is called the law of the spirit of life.I will tell u how it works n what it is as we progress.what Christ summarized into love is d ten commandment.we going to hv great time on this thread I promise u.

I will admit there are things Paul says sometimes that confuse me. 2 Peter 3:16 "16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."

There are two particular encounters that makes me wonder if the majority (myself included) have misunderstood some things.

1: In Acts 15 when Paul goes to Jerusalem. It seems that the council only gave advice on what those just turning to salvation should do. Not that they should totally ignore the law. But the most interesting thing I noticed in this passage, even if you reject the latter statement, is that Peter and the early Christians of Jerusalem are quite obviously following the law themselves. So why would the Jews continually follow the law, and we judge that the gentile-christians should not? After all, we are all one in Christ.
A fascinating statement is verse 21 " 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.” In other words, these new christians will pick up the other laws as they fellowship with you. Side point, it also suggests the Sabbath was dutifully observed (also see Isaiah 66:23 "From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord.


2: Another passage that I want to address is Acts 21 when Paul enters Jerusalem. I will give an excerp, but I urge the reader to read the whole passage. Acts 21:20-25 "20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law.
21 They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22 What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. 25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”

So basically they heard reports he was teaching to the Jews who lived among the gentiles that they need not observe the law. The wanted to show the people that is NOT what he was doing. These two passages strongly suggest that we are to keep the law. The Jews kept the law, that needs no debate from what I have read. But for the gentile converts not to need to keep the law, while the Jews did, seems unthinkable. Hence my questions.

Any thoughts?

^I love your thought n reasoning of d word.we will have much fun teaching n enjoying fellowship here.I will address yr 2 concerns but b4 I do, a question for u.don't take my question personal but is just hypothesis.the question is, do you commit adultery if u married?do you kill or murder or hate pple?do u not honour yr parents?etc.that's do u do anything d ten commandments says u shld not do?when u answer I will then followup n talk about the two issues of concerns.bless u.

flourishG: ^I love your thought n reasoning of d word.we will have much fun teaching n enjoying fellowship here.I will address yr 2 concerns but b4 I do, a question for u.don't take my question personal but is just hypothesis.the question is, do you commit adultery if u married?do you kill or murder or hate pple?do u not honour yr parents?etc.that's do u do anything d ten commandments says u shld not do?when u answer I will then followup n talk about the two issues of concerns.bless u.

Ok, I don't do those things any longer. Not to say I am perfect and do not sin. So I observe the ten commandments.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and strength, the word says. As a teenager, I wondered how one could know they are doing this. But Jesus made that clear. John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Isaiah 66:17 "They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord."

Seems to me God still regards clean, to be clean, and unclean, to be unclean. No more bacon for me, pending further investigation.

flourishG: ^I love your thought n reasoning of d word.we will have much fun teaching n enjoying fellowship here.I will address yr 2 concerns but b4 I do, a question for u.don't take my question personal but is just hypothesis.the question is, do you commit adultery if u married?do you kill or murder or hate pple?do u not honour yr parents?etc.that's do u do anything d ten commandments says u shld not do?when u answer I will then followup n talk about the two issues of concerns.bless u.

Sorry Flou,

I don't mean to be rude but you have been on about having fun and addressing some ish on this thread but you haven't said anything.

JesusisLord85:

Ok, I don't do those things any longer. Not to say I am perfect and do not sin. So I observe the ten commandments.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and strength, the word says. As a teenager, I wondered how one could know they are doing this. But Jesus made that clear. John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

okay.you don't do all of those.then d word of God say the law of thou shall not is not meant for u but for those who do those things.1timothy1:3-11.let's see if u agree with this first n we continue.

striktlymi:

Sorry Flou,

I don't mean to be rude but you have been on about having fun and addressing some ish on this thread but you haven't said anything.

sorry sir,I will say good things.take it slow n easy.I will say d gospel.

flourishG: okay.you don't do all of those.then d word of God say the law of thou shall not is not meant for u but for those who do those things.1timothy1:3-11.let's see if u agree with this first n we continue.

So let me get this right. "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man". You are saying I am righteous, because I do not do those things by which the law spoke against. By that line of reasoning, I am being justified by the law itself. I won't say I understand fully what he meant by that, but I don't believe he is saying that the law is for those who sin only. But rather, sinners will suffer the judgement of the law, i.e. death.
Verse 7-8: "Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully"

Romans 2:13 says "For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified"
So those who follow the law are just before God".

flourishG: sorry sir,I will say good things.take it slow n easy.I will say d gospel.

Okay!

@JesusisLord85,
What do you understand by keeping God's commandments? Do you know there are works of the flesh and fruits of the spirit that seperate those under the law from those free from the law? Romans 7:23-25. I will like to hear more from you on this.

JesusisLord85:

So let me get this right. "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man". You are saying I am righteous, because I do not do those things by which the law spoke against.

i like to show u systematically the revelation of the kingdom.there was a man who came to Jesus and said master who shall i do to inherit the kingdom of God?the Lord said you know the law (y?because he was still under the law,Galatians4:4 and not died to fulfill the law n set us free from d bondage of the law so that we can be united n function in Spirit to the life giving man,christ the risen lord romans7:1-10) go n keep the law, thou shall not commit adultery, etc Jesus telling the man to keep d ten commandments and this man said 'all' he had kept from his childhood,Mark 10:17-22.If the law,the keeping of the 10 commandments can justify or give eternal life, this man kept 'all' from his childhood and the Lord said he still lack one thing meaning he thought he kept all but he broke all since he broke one,making money his god.what is paul saying?the man who is righteous is not a righteos man by keeping the law or the ten commandments but the man who is rightoes by christ and faith in the cross of christ.Romans 3:22.when one obtain a righteousness of Christ by believe like Abraham but believing in christ and what he had done for us, God calls that man a rigteous man, not by the works of d law but by simple faith in Christ n d cross of christ.that is d righteous man that the law is not meant for because that man in righteous in christ by believing not by doing d law.

JesusisLord85:
By that line of reasoning, I am being justified by the law itself. I won't say I understand fully what he meant by that, but I don't believe he is saying that the law is for those who sin only. But rather, sinners will suffer the judgement of the law, i.e. death.
Verse 7-8: "Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully"

truly you don't understand what he saying.its either white or black.it cannot be both n cannot mean both.123 is numneric n abc is alaphetc abc123 is then alphanumeric.yes, the law is good n holy paul says but these law brings the knowledge of sin.Romans 3:20.it tells u u are a sinner and condemns u to death but christ gives u life n grace to sin no more.u said u don't believe d law is for those who sin alone but its clearly stated there.it says:9We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine.when u don't do those things, it is not the law u are obeying but the spirit of god in u that tells u it is not good because u have gain d knowledge that those things are sin by the law so now, when u don;t do it,u obey the d holy spirit,to u, the law had come to an end because u are in christ and being led by the spirit of god.you can't be led by the spirit of god n be led by the law,you only get the know dat adultery is sin because d law says so.thats what it means that those who hv come to in christ, the law is null n void n had ended but the spirit is alive.galatians3:24-25 & Galatians5:18 pls read galatians5:18 n galatians3:24-25 from many translations.u will understand.before the spirit of god was given to u,d law leads u n guides u telling u what is good n wrong but when christ diesd n d life giving spirit was given u,it replaced d law n leading u,galatians5:18.so u gain d knowldege of adultery by d law but u don;t commit adultery by the leading n guidance of the spirit of life in u.

JesusisLord85:
But rather, sinners will suffer the judgement of the law, i.e. death.
Verse 7-8: "Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully"

only d jews will be judged by d law cos they are d ones that are given d law.romans2:12.please study the whole of romans chpt 1-2.both jews n gentiles will be judged by the gospel paul preached by christ.the standard to judge jews will b d law n d standard to judge gentiles will be d gos[epl.

JesusisLord85:
Romans 2:13 says "For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified"
So those who follow the law are just before God".

the apostle wrote the book of romans ot both jews n gentiles.the verse u recite is talking to the jews who hold dearly to d law n was saying the law is what makes them special than others but they don't do what d law says and don't follow d law just pridin g in d law so d apostle tell them 'not the hearer of the law are just before god but doers of the law.the law at that time is the word of god that was given to them to lead n guide then but after god chnaged from leading by the law to leading by the spirit,this is d way of faith.

Alwaystrue: @JesusisLord85,
What do you understand by keeping God's commandments? Do you know there are works of the flesh and fruits of the spirit that seperate those under the law from those free from the law? Romans 7:23-25. I will like to hear more from you on this.

Good evening, thanks for joining the discussion.
I will keep this brief, as I accidentally closed the tab when I was typing my last response.

Ok, so I read Romans 7. The first thing to note is who Paul is addressing.
verse 1: " Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

He then goes on to talk about what the Law says regarding marriage. So let me give you Jeremiah 31 to bring this into context:
Jeremiah 31:31-33 "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."

Interestingly, Paul is talking about this same thing. The issue is, if you divorce your wife, you cannot remarry her. Only if the husband dies is the wife free to marry another man. This is why the Messiah had to die, so that he could resurrect and become a new creation, and enter into this new covenant the prophets mentioned.
Remember, Jesus said, Matthew 15:24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".

So when did God divorce Israel, and why did he do it.
You will remember that Israel committed adultery by worshipping other gods. God punished them and scattered them to the four corners of the earth. The lost tribes can now be gathered together and enter into this new covenant with God. The terms of the marriage do not change, i.e. the Law which Moses gave them. Just that, this time, he will write it into their hearts and minds (as per Jeremiah).

So it is easy to think the law is done away with when you pick out verses. But the way I see it, Acts 21 proves that Paul followed the Law and taught it. And Paul taught the same message everywhere, so how can we then believe that the gentile converts were NOT required to observe the same laws? Were the foreigners among the people in the old testament not subject to the Laws as the Israelites?

Acts 21:20-24 " And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law."

With this in mind, we ought to know that anywhere in scripture where we interpret Paul to teach against the Law, means we have probably misunderstood. The teaching that, because God gave us grave, the law is no more, a teaching I have received since Sunday school, confused me. It is taught that the law is not for the righteous. But that is not what is meant in the literal sense, as I have shown with scripture, from the prophets, to Paul. Funny enough, the people I often met in church were nothing close to holy/righteous. I thank them. For through their hyprocrisy, I was moved to go and study the word for myself.

Leviticus 11:44 "For I am the LORD your God: you shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and you shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall you defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."

Romans 7:12 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good"

1 Peter 1:16 "Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy."

So, it is clear the Israelites were still to observe the law. What was unclear is whether the gentile converts should observe the Law of Moses. But given my message, I am thinking they must. Surely, to know him, you must enter into this same covenant. After all, we are adopted into the family of father Abraham.

But as you know from some of my other posts/threads, I believe the tribe of Judah that fled from the Babylonians, and also those that entered Africa after 70ad, are actually today's black africans (largely). I read the book 'the Call to the Hebrews'. I would strongly encourage you to read this book.

Shalom

JesusisLord85: The terms of the marriage do not change, i.e. the Law which Moses gave them. Just that, this time, he will write it into their hearts and minds (as per Jeremiah).

JesusisLord85: So it is easy to think the law is done away with when you pick out verses. But the way I see it, Acts 21 proves that Paul followed the Law and taught it.

You made quite a remarkable number of points and the two you stated above struck me. Jesus Himself preached the law in TRUTH. He always brought about the truth of scripture from the heart source. Remember He said His words are LIFE and He does not speak of Himself.
He spoke about honouring parents, sexual sin, sabbath and tithes. He also talked about tradition of the elders which were often upheld over the commandments of God. I am glad you were able to note the difference between the law and the convenant.
One thing for sure is that as Paul said, many of the written laws were a shadow and pointed to the true meaning God intended. Circumcision of the flesh was a pointer to the main reason for the law which is the removal of the foreskin of the heart, sabbath pointed to the true rest in Jesus (Hebrew 4) that is why Jesus said He is the Lord of the Sabbath.

For me, one thing I have noted is that the fruits of the Spirit are manifest in the TRUTH of walking in Christ and he that walks in the Spirit fulfills the law because the flesh is deadened and most of the dictates of the law were due to the works of the flesh. Also the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in those who walk after the Spirit. (Heb. 8:4)

Take time to also study II Corinthians 3:14-15 and then you will realise that the veil that covers the truth of the law is only removed in Jesus Christ. That is why the bible said the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life....the Spirit behind the veil can only be seen through Jesus just as He showed us some while He walked on the earth.
Thanks for taking out the time to respond to this.

Sir,

What does Roms 13: 8-10 and John 13:34-35 and Matt 22: 37-40 mean to you?

Tgirl4real: Sir,

What does Roms 13: 8-10 and John 13:34-35 and Matt 22: 37-40 mean to you?

Matthew 22:37-40
"37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

That is what Paul means in Romans 13. If you do those two, you are fulfilling all the commandments.
What does it mean to love God? Well, John 14:21 says "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
If you love your brother, you will do to him as you will do to yourself.

JesusisLord85:

Matthew 22:37-40
"37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

That is what Paul means in Romans 13. If you do those two, you are fulfilling all the commandments.
What does it mean to love God? Well, John 14:21 says "He that [b]hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
If you love your brother, you will do to him as you will do to yourself.
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Thanks for making me see what Paul was saying in a new light.That is to say he agrees with the teachings of the other apostles as some would have us believe otherwise.On the issue of tithing we need to discuss it on another thread bro..

Bidam: Thanks for making me see what Paul was saying in a new light.That is to say he agrees with the teachings of the other apostles as some would have us believe otherwise.On the issue of tithing we need to discuss it on another thread bro..

you will never let go this ya tithe fraud?let my people go saith da Lord

Bidam: Thanks for making me see what Paul was saying in a new light.That is to say he agrees with the teachings of the other apostles as some would have us believe otherwise.On the issue of tithing we need to discuss it on another thread bro..

You are seeing what you feel you want to see. The one eyed guy explaining to you cannot decipher between the law of God and the law of Moses, yet you want to depend on his path.smh

I don't think anyone have said all the other apostles said was wrong in the place they belong, all I am saying is that Paul's message is a step above what the others had. His gospel was totally separated from tradition, rituals, legalism and Jewish order. His message of Christ was more of indicative than imperative in the sense that he made it known that the propelling force that controls every Christian is the Spirit of God that lives in them. Above all, his gospel was primarily for the Gentiles.

shdemidemi:

You are seeing what you feel you want to see. The one eyed guy explaining to you cannot decipher between the law of God and the law of Moses, yet you want to depend on his path.smh

I don't think anyone have said all the other apostles said was wrong in the place they belong, all I am saying is that Paul's message is a step above what the others had. His gospel was totally separated from tradition, rituals, legalism and Jewish order. His message of Christ was more of indicative than imperative in the sense that he made it known that the propelling force that controls every Christian is the Spirit of God that lives in them. Above all, his gospel was primarily for the Gentiles.

Although the Christian is not under the Mosaic Law as a rule of life, some of the Law of Moses is restated in the New Testament—nine of the Ten Commandments are included. The Mosaic Law still constitutes a revelation of the righteousness of God and remains as a part of Scripture which “is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.I FULLY concur with you on the Spirit guiding the conducts of a believer's lifestyle.

Bidam: Although the Christian is not under the Mosaic Law as a rule of life, some of the Law of Moses is restated in the New Testament—nine of the Ten Commandments are included. [b]The Mosaic Law still constitutes a revelation of the righteousness of God [/b]and remains as a part of Scripture which “is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.I FULLY concur with you on the Spirit guiding the conducts of a believer's lifestyle.

The intention of the law was not to make anyone a better person, the law was there to condemn when you break it. If i don't break the law, it does not mean I am a good person, I have only succeeded in avoiding the snare of the law. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ apart from any mosaic law does not only make me fulfil the righteous requirement of the law, it also makes me a better person.

shdemidemi:

The intention of the law was not to make anyone a better person, the law was there to condemn when you break it. If i don't break the law, it does not mean I am a good person, I have only succeeded in avoiding the snare of the law. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ apart from any mosaic law does not only make me fulfil the righteous requirement of the law, it also makes me a better person.

But you also fail to see from new testament scriptures that the Mosaic Law in its moral aspects has lost none of its commanding authority. Concerning the feast,If a Christian congregation occasionally reenacts aspects of an Old Testament feast day for the sake of better understanding their old covenant heritage, it would be within the bounds of Christian liberty.

Bidam: But you also fail to see from new testament scriptures that the Mosaic Law in its moral aspects has lost none of its commanding authority. Concerning the feast,If a Christian congregation occasionally reenacts aspects of an Old Testament feast day for the sake of better understanding their old covenant heritage, it would be within the bounds of Christian liberty.

The bible makes it clear that you can't mix it. We have to totally take out the veil and see Christ in his fullness, we can't go back to reenact any feast days as an addition or part of our salvation. We are in a new covenant, we do not need to look back.

That is not to say we can't read the Old Testament, we must make sure every thing we read in the old points us to the redeemer. If we don't do that, we are definitely doing things outside the confines of our faith.

Bidam: But you also fail to see from new testament scriptures that the Mosaic Law in its moral aspects has lost none of its commanding authority. Concerning the feast,If a Christian congregation occasionally reenacts aspects of an Old Testament feast day for the sake of better understanding their old covenant heritage, it would be within the bounds of Christian liberty.

da shortcomings of da law is huge.take one and do all!if gonna keep da sabbath,u gat to stone your rebellious kids also.your got to make animal sacrifices n them da rest.u remember da man that boast to Jesus he had kept the WHOLE law from his youth?what Christ said to him?you lack one thing.you will always be guilty of one thing in keeping da law of moses.christ died to break u loosed from da super glue to da law,now u married to da ressurected Christ.

shdemidemi:

The bible makes it clear that you can't mix it. We have to totally take out the veil and see Christ in his fullness, we can't go back to reenact any feast days as an addition or part of our salvation. We are in a new covenant, we do not need to look back.

That is not to say we can't read the Old Testament, we must make sure every thing we read in the old points us to the redeemer. If we don't do that, we are definitely doing things outside the confines of our faith.

It's the job of the Holy Spirit to remove the veil not you.I agree that the feast are not required of Christians, and convey no special spiritual benefits.

Bidam: It's the job of the Holy Spirit to remove the veil not you.I agree that the feast are not required of Christians, and convey no special spiritual benefits.

that's not true brother.the feast all have spiritual meaning to christians.look at it dis way,if all dem feast are fulfilled in christ and christ gave birth to christians,what makes u think d substances fulfilled in christ is not fulfilled in us too?dem feast are not required because dem all been fulfilled in d LORD himself and we are his fruit.