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Re: You Must Keep The Law! by shdemidemi(m): 1:32pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
MostHigh: Christ flouted the institutionalised Sabbath day, what do you say to that? |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by Kingdompartaker: 1:40pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
@ MOSTHIGH BY THEIR FRUITS WE SHALL KNOW THEM, TRUTH IS BITTER, TALK IS CHEAP, YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU LIKE. (YOU CANNOT CHANGE JUST LIKE YOUR FOREFATHER, (MODERN DAY JUDAIZER) THE LAW IS ACTUALLY MADE FOR UNGODLY PEOPLE LIKE (UNHOLY, PROFANE, MURDERER,LIARS, MANSLAYERS E.T.C) MY PRAYER FOR YOU, IS GOD WILL DELIVER YOU 1 Like |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by Kingdompartaker: 1:43pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
@ MOSTHIGH (MR JUDAIZER) LAW KEEPER ANSWER that Question |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by Goshen360(m): 3:19pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
^ ^ ^ These guys fight for keeping the laws but they don't know nothing hidden in the law. . They resort to insult rather than discussing the subject, with nothing to say. They quote irrelevant scriptures, out of context and all of that crap. |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by MostHigh: 3:39pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
shdemidemi: See your choice of words, flouted ke? Thats why you are so so rebelious. But you think the father is one like you. no way he shall rebuke thee well well. Lawless son of the lawless man. |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by MostHigh: 3:41pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
Kingdompartaker: Law made for ungodly ke? So it is no longer good for reproof and instructions on rightousness? You are all Jokers. going round and round like rats in a maze, but the koboko you cannot escape. Lawless children. |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by shdemidemi(m): 3:43pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
MostHigh: Where is the answer to the question? Good man. Christ flouted the institutionalised Sabbath day, what do you say to that? |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by MostHigh: 3:43pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
Goshen360: You think calling you a Lawless man is an insult but it is not it is scriptural. Goshen is Lawless and proudly so. Koboko for you well well. |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by shdemidemi(m): 3:46pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
MostHigh:1 Tim 1:9 We also know that the law is made [size=28pt]not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels[/size], the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by MostHigh: 3:47pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
shdemidemi: So if your child should fall into the well on the sabath and you save him is that flouting. Choose your words carefully. to flout is to openly diregard. When david eat the shewbread, did he openly disregard. The Law was made for man and not man for the Law. I hope that answers your queshun.. lawless son of the lawless man. |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by MostHigh: 3:49pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
shdemidemi: So what guides the rightous.. oooo i remember you and goshen preach the heart as the guide But the master instructs us to worship in sprit and in truth, it should not be a one sided affair like you and your oga are preaching. The whole of the bible is the truth. Stop fighting the truth. |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by shdemidemi(m): 3:49pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
MostHigh: So, we can break the law when it isn't convenient? You see the hypocrisy in you beaming out. |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by MostHigh: 3:50pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
shdemidemi: To flout is to openly disregard. why would the son openly disregard his fathers instructions You are a liar just like your father the lawless man. |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by MostHigh: 3:52pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Because of his forgiving nature thats why we find comfort in him go read your psalms. but dont go breaking the law intentionally and repeatedly because of that mercy your cup will get full eventually. like goshen pushing for all sorts of liberal ideas rewriting the torah, real sharp guy. Your father loves to tell lies and decive. |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by shdemidemi(m): 3:59pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
MostHigh: He knows people like you are only paying mouth service, when the challenge come you will quickly stowaway and do that which is convenient. Yet you put others under a yoke that you yourself will always fail when the challenge presents itself. Mark 7 10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. Jesus pushed hypocrites like you to the limit. Will you kill your son according to the Moses if he curse you? Or would you bend the law like David did? |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by Kingdompartaker: 3:59pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
Don't mind, sir,They are Hypocrites: MAT 23 VS 1-39 "But woe to you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites!, For you shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men; for you neither go in yourself, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. (NKJV) They continue to run from pillar to pillar, stressing on irrelevant Scriptural verses to back their HERESIES, which lead to APOSTASY. The LAW of Moses they always claim to keep (That is NOT) is after them, pursuing them day and night. Clearly, it is plain that this LAW KEEPER are possessed by ANTI-GOSPEL, ANTI-CHRISTIAN spirit. PRIDE is always the reigning SIN that mostly easily beset them, and which Our LORD JESUS takes all occasions to speak and rebuke them for. GOD BLESS |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by shdemidemi(m): 4:05pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
MostHigh: Now you need forgiving nature of Christ. I thought you had so much confidence in your flesh to match God toe-to-toe in His test. |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by MostHigh: 4:53pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Obedience does not imply arrogance. Lawlessness is death. |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by MostHigh: 4:59pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
Kingdompartaker: Any that teach you that the law has been put away, he also is the least in the kingdom. Math 5:17 But Goshen360 and his disciples don't preach the kingdom they preach death to Christ. They can't see themselves in the kingdom because the kingdom is governed by the laws of the most high. Note ezk 44 and 45. Lawless children of the son of perdition. |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by MostHigh: 5:03pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
shdemidemi: For you it is a yoke hence your bondage. For me it is a joy note Psalm 119. 1 John 2 says walk exactly as the master walks, not as the master thinks in his heart. Children of lawlesness |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by shdemidemi(m): 5:06pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
MostHigh: In this case it does.... Jesus have declared Himself through the gospel, will you obey or disobey Christ? Romans 10 King James Version (KJV) 10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a (what? does this not describe you perfectly?)zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5[size=20pt] For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law[/size], That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from ......... 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Do you see the disparity between what Christ presented to Moses'? |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by shdemidemi(m): 5:13pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
MostHigh: Will you kill your child as the law stipulate if he curse you or bend the rule like a typical hypocritical defender of legalism? |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by MostHigh: 6:18pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
shdemidemi: You must always try to apply the literal and allegorical to Scripture to get at the true meaning. Classic example from the master himself, he says if your hand should cause you to sin cut it off. translation of idiomatic expression is if whatever is making you to sin stop it. But then what would you care for aramaic idiomatic expressions and translations. All you know is Paul this and Paul that.never will we hear you say Christ this and Christ that Koboko to Goshen360 and all of.his desciples |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by MostHigh: 6:27pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
shdemidemi: 1st John 2. Will you walk as he walked or are you going to continue denying that he walked the earth? This is the devils work. To deny Christ in the flesh. Yeah.... just have a good heart so Goshen360 says. But we of the way know he walk etc on this earth daily and continually. The wages of sin is death O ye children of lawlessness. |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by shdemidemi(m): 6:44pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
And all these things you wrote somehow make scriptural sense to you. EOD |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by MostHigh: 7:16pm On Dec 12, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Painful? believe me I can imagine how you feel. But you must continue to receive the Koboko I tell you. Child of lawlesness |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by Kingdompartaker: 12:04pm On Dec 15, 2014 |
@ MRPRESIDENT1 @MOSTHIGH VS APOSTLES OF JESUS CHRIST ACT 15 VS 1-24 (NKJV) 1: And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2: Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question. 3: So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, describing the conversion of the Gentiles; and they caused great joy to all the brethren. 4: And when they had come to Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders; and they reported all things that God had done with them. 5: But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Law of Moses.” 6: Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7: And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8: So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9: and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10: Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11: But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, we shall be saved in the same manner as they.” 12: Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. 13: And after they had become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14: Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written: 16 ‘After this I will return And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down; I will rebuild its ruins, And I will set it up; 17: So that the rest of mankind may seek the LORD, Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, Says the LORD who does all these things.’ 18: “Known to God from eternity are all His works. 19: Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20: but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21: For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.” 22: Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren. 23: They wrote this letter by them: The apostles, the elders, and the brethren, To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia: Greetings. 24: Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “YOU MUST BE CIRCUMCISED AND KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES —TO WHOM WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT @MRPRESIDENT1 : MOSEE MIMO, SEE WHAT, APOSTLES OF JESUS CHRIST are saying: @MOSTHIGH : DON’T MIND THE STUPID APOSTLES (THEY ARE ALL SENT FROM THE PIT OF HELL, and ALL OF THEM ARE CHILDREN OF LAWLESSNESS) |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by MostHigh: 12:43pm On Dec 15, 2014 |
Kingdompartaker: On the contrary. 19: Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20: but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21: For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.” You must have missed out the judgment part passed by James regarding things the Heathen should abstain from which is all pointing back to (The Law) because of your lazyness, Lawlessness and blindness. |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by Kingdompartaker: 5:26pm On Dec 15, 2014 |
(Act 15 vs 19) judgment of James After Barnabas and Paul told “about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles” (Acts 15:12), James spoke. As leader of the Jerusalem church, he had a lot of influence. Some of the Judaizers even claimed him as their authority (Gal. 2:12), But Luke tells us that James was in complete agreement with Peter and Paul. “Listen to me. Simon [Peter] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles” (Acts 15:13-14). The fact that God has already acted was powerful evidence. James then quoted from the (Book of Amos) to show that Scripture agreed with what was happening (vs. 15-18). He could have used other Old Testament prophecies, too, about Gentiles being included among God’s people. Experience and Scripture pointed to the same conclusion. “This make James to conclude, therefore, they should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God”, There is no need to require the Yoke of Moses, for that would make things unnecessarily difficult for the Gentile believers. (Act 15 vs 20) James then suggested four rules: “Instead we should write to them (THIS DOES NOT IMPLIES THAT THEY ARE TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES), telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood”, Instead of making things difficult for the Gentiles, these four rules would be enough. Obviously, Gentile believers should not lie, steal and murder. They already knew that, so they did not need a special reminder about it. The Question now is why then these four rules? These laws dated back to the time of Noah, and therefore applied to all Nations. However, it is clear that Gentiles do not have to be circumcised, nor do they have to obey the Laws of Moses. They are circumcised spiritually, not physically. God never gave those commands to the Gentiles. (Act 15 vs 21) Moses is preached We should not make it difficult for the Gentiles, James said. Instead, it will be enough to give them four rules, which they will find easy to comply with. Why give them these rules? Notice the reason that James gives: “For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath” (Act 15 vs. 21). James was not encouraging Gentile Christians to attend the synagogues. He was not saying they should listen to the Laws of Moses. No, but because those Laws were commonly preached, the apostles should tell the Gentiles four rules. Then they would not think that Christianity is more difficult than it is. |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by MostHigh: 10:05pm On Dec 15, 2014 |
Kingdompartaker: 4 rules would be enough. Your joking right? So humor me how many rules are enough for you seeing you are a pfofessed Gentile. . don't forget that Gentile simply means non Isrealitie. What an imagination you have. More Koboko 4 you |
Re: You Must Keep The Law! by Kingdompartaker: 11:05am On Dec 16, 2014 |
@MOSTHIGH (ISA 6 VS 9) 9: And He said, “Go, and tell this people: ‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand; Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’ 10: “Make the heart of this people dull, And their ears heavy, And shut their eyes; Lest they see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart, And return and be healed.” Obviously, it is crystal clear that you have EYES, YOU CANNOT SEE, YOU HAVE EARS YOU CANNOT HEAR. Let me remind you, that before now, it is stated that; "GOD DEALT WITH THE GENTILES UNDER THE OLD PROGRAM, IMPUTING SIN TO THEM THROUGH ADAM (see: Gen 2 vs 17: Romans 5 vs 12-21). GENTILES WERE UNDER THE "NOAHIC COVENANT" (Gen 9), "ABRAHAMIC COVENANT" (Gen 12 vs 1-3; Romans 4). Again let me also remind you at this junction that the "SET OF FOUR RULES AS SUGGESTED BY JAMES FOR CHRISTIANS TO ABSTAIN FROM [EXISTED AS A FORM OF SIN] EVEN BEFORE THE GIVEN OF THE LAW OF MOSES, (Romans 5 vs 13, said, FOR UNTIL THE LAW, SIN WAS IN THE WORLD: read the following Scriptural verses for proof: IDOLATRY: (Gen 12 vs 1-3, Josh 24 vs 2): SEXUAL IMMORALITY: (Gen 18 vs 20; 19 vs 9): BLOOD: (Gen 4 vs 15; 9 vs 6 and FROM THINGS STRANGLED (Gen 9 vs 4). (No Scripture in the Bible teaches that Gentiles nations had the LAW OF MOSES and were "UNDER OBLIGATION TO OBEY THE LAW OF MOSES). QUESTION? ON WHOSE AUTHORITY ARE YOU ACTING, OBVIOUSLY; NOT THE APOSTLES OF JESUS, FOR THEY SAID, "NO ONE WAS GIVEN THE AUTHORITY OR COMMAND TO OBEY THE LAW OF MOSES). (Act 15 vs 24) |
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