malvisguy212:
One of the most common reasons skeptics reject the existence of God is due to the presence of evil in this universe. They reason that a perfect God would not create a universe in which evil exists. Skeptics claim that since God created everything that God must have also created evil. They even cite Bible verses, such as:

'' I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,
and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
( Isaiah 45:7, KJV)''

'' Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people
not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the
LORD hath not done it? ( Amos 3:6, KJV)''

'' Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not
evil and good? ( Lamentations 3:38)''

However, evil is not really a created thing. You can't
see, touch, feel, smell or hear evil. It is not one of
the fundamental forces of physics, nor does it consist of matter, energy, or the spatial dimensions of the universe. Still, skeptics like to claim that God created evil and cite the Bible to "prove" their point. The Bible is quite clear that God is not the author of evil and insists that He is incapable of. doing so.

Skeptics love the KJV so much, one would think that
they were still back in medieval England. Use of this
translation is problematic these days, since it uses an archaic version of modern English, which doesn't
necessarily mean the same things today as when it
was translated over 400 years ago. In addition, the
KJV was produced using a limited number of
medieval manuscripts that did not represent the
earliest Alexandrian set of manuscripts.

WHAT DO THE MODERN TRANSLATION SAY?

1.Isaiah 45:7.
The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the
LORD who does all these. ( Isaiah 45:7, NASB)
I form the light and create darkness, I bring
prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all
these things. ( Isaiah 45:7, NIV)
Isaiah 45:7 contrasts opposites. Darkness is the
opposite of light. However, evil is not the opposite of peace. The Hebrew word translated "peace" is
shampoo, which has many meanings, mostly related
to the well being of individuals. Râ‛âh, the Hebrew
word translated "evil" in the KJV often refers to
adversity or calamity. There are two forms of the
word. Strong's H7451a most often refers to moral
evil, whereas Strong's H7451b (the form used here)
most often refers to calamity or distress. Obviously,
"calamity" is a better antonym of "peace" than "evil."
2.Amos3:6.
If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people
tremble? If a calamity occurs in a city has not the
LORD done it? ( Amos 3:6, NASB)
When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people
tremble? When disaster comes to a city, has not the
LORD caused it? ( Amos 3:6, NIV)
Likewise, Amos 3:6 uses the same word, râ‛âh,
referring to calamity or disaster. the context (a
disaster happening to a city) does not refer to moral
evil.
3. Lamentations 3:38
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both
calamities and good things come? ( Lamentations
3:38, NIV)
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That both
good and ill go forth? ( Lamentations 3:38, NASB)
The King James Version of Lamentations 3:38 seems
to suggest that God speaks both good and evil.
However, if one reads the verse in context, the
preceding verses indicate that God does not do or
approve of evil. The verse following indicates that
people should not complain in view of their sins.
What the verse really is saying that God decrees
times of good things and times of judgment.
Lamentations was written by Jeremiah during a time
of judgment, when Judah had gone off into exile.
Jeremiah was chosen by God to be the prophet to
tell Judah to reform or be judged. The people did
not believe Jeremiah, and, therefore, fell under
God's judgment. In Lamentations 3:38, the word
translated "good" is ṭôb (Strong's H2896). The word
usually refers to good things as opposed to bad
things. Again, râ‛âh does not refer to moral evil, but
calamities, in this verse. Likewise, the Bible
commentaries indicate that the verse refers to God's
judgment based upon people's sin
Conclusion;
God is not the author of evil. However, God does
reward and punish on the basis of good and bad
behavior. Therefore, God does bring judgment and
calamity (either directly or through human
authorities) on those who rebel. God will ultimately
judge all people, since rebels will not be allowed in
the new, perfect creation.

Unluvable:
Is it in any dimension possible that as humans we can stop the whole bickering on our belief and just view the universe.
Using this very consciousness that is bestowed on us.

in my years of being human all I've seen is that whoever or whatever was responsible for this observable universe destroys all that's created. destruction is an important part of creation and critical in recycling.

it goes on and on with no interference. this is what life is all about. you and I find ourselves in the middle of it all, somewhere in history. your questions, your convictions is not going to change anything! it doesn't change that a baby somewhere is born with a defeat or that beautiful mountain is boiling up magma that will erupt leaving a comatose trail or that breathtaking ocean you are in awe of is making up a cyclone.

and this will go on and on till we complete our degenerative cycle putting an end to our consciousness. we'll all go back to how we were before we became aware.

and finally one day, when the earth finally decide to end the cycle. no one will be left to debate on how we got here and why we are here

malvisguy212:
are you a christian?

Unluvable:
Is it in any dimension possible that as humans we can stop the whole bickering on our belief and just view the universe.
Using this very consciousness that is bestowed on us.

in my years of being human all I've seen is that whoever or whatever was responsible for this observable universe destroys all that's created. destruction is an important part of creation and critical in recycling.

it goes on and on with no interference. this is what life is all about. you and I find ourselves in the middle of it all, somewhere in history. your questions, your convictions is not going to change anything! it doesn't change that a baby somewhere is born with a defeat or that beautiful mountain is boiling up magma that will erupt leaving a comatose trail or that breathtaking ocean you are in awe of is making up a cyclone.

and this will go on and on till we complete our degenerative cycle putting an end to our consciousness. we'll all go back to how we were before we became aware.

and finally one day, when the earth finally decide to end the cycle. no one will be left to debate on how we got here and why we are here

Unluvable:
Is it in any dimension possible that as humans we can stop the whole bickering on our belief and just view the universe.
Using this very consciousness that is bestowed on us.

in my years of being human all I've seen is that whoever or whatever was responsible for this observable universe destroys all that's created. destruction is an important part of creation and critical in recycling.

it goes on and on with no interference. this is what life is all about. you and I find ourselves in the middle of it all, somewhere in history. your questions, your convictions is not going to change anything! it doesn't change that a baby somewhere is born with a defeat or that beautiful mountain is boiling up magma that will erupt leaving a comatose trail or that breathtaking ocean you are in awe of is making up a cyclone.

and this will go on and on till we complete our degenerative cycle putting an end to our consciousness. we'll all go back to how we were before we became aware.

and finally one day, when the earth finally decide to end the cycle. no one will be left to debate on how we got here and why we are here

Unluvable:

of what reason does that matter?
oh sorry I forgot- I have to be one to get some sort of approval and attain eternal bliss

lastmessenger:

Great post. The only thing is that I tell myself is no book has given a vivid explanation as to why evil exist therefore i choose to ignore those thought and move on with my life believing in God who knows all.

malvisguy212:
You guys were running rampant , to and fro. Shouting God created evil, seeking who to devour and confusing innocent christians, hope you all have know the truth , God did not create evil but allow evil to exist for human to have option to love or hate God.

davien:
Yup..."god" is not the "author of evil"....it just allows it to happen.
Might I remind you of Job,whom "god" allegedly allowed his children be killed only to give him "brand new kids" as though children are commodities?

davien:
Yup..."god" is not the "author of evil"....it just allows it to happen.
Might I remind you of Job,whom "god" allegedly allowed his children be killed only to give him "brand new kids" as though children are commodities?

davien:
Yup..."god" is not the "author of evil"....it just allows it to happen.
Might I remind you of Job,whom "god" allegedly allowed his children be killed only to give him "brand new kids" as though children are commodities?

Unluvable:


Ermm...not really into that. nothing personal.
hope that's okay

Rilwayne001:


Stylishly asking for her number

Unluvable:
Is it in any dimension possible that as humans we can stop the whole bickering on our belief and just view the universe.
Using this very consciousness that is bestowed on us.

in my years of being human all I've seen is that whoever or whatever was responsible for this observable universe destroys all that's created. destruction is an important part of creation and critical in recycling.

it goes on and on with no interference. this is what life is all about. you and I find ourselves in the middle of it all, somewhere in history. your questions, your convictions is not going to change anything! it doesn't change that a baby somewhere is born with a defeat or that beautiful mountain is boiling up magma that will erupt leaving a comatose trail or that breathtaking ocean you are in awe of is making up a cyclone.

and this will go on and on till we complete our degenerative cycle putting an end to our consciousness. we'll all go back to how we were before we became aware.

and finally one day, when the earth finally decide to end the cycle. no one will be left to debate on how we got here and why we are here

Jack65:
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How about Freewill?? Does it have any of those attributes? But you claim God created it, no?

lastmessenger:

Great post. The only thing is that I tell myself is no book has given a vivid explanation as to why evil exist therefore i choose to ignore those thought and move on with my life believing in God who knows all.

Unluvable:


job's story is very disturbing...we are pawns in the great game of chess between the almighty and his adversary. alas! the almighty will always checkmate after much pawns have been kicked out.
what a great news!

slyfox5555:


The question is similar to asking why does "darkness" exist? Darkness exist because of the absence of Light. Evil exist because of the absence of God. God did not create evil. When you remove God's moral standards: you have a solid framework for evil.

malvisguy212:
One of the most common reasons skeptics reject the existence of God is due to the presence of evil in this universe. They reason that a perfect God would not create a universe in which evil exists. Skeptics claim that since God created everything that God must have also created evil. They even cite Bible verses, such as:

'' I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,
and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
( Isaiah 45:7, KJV)''

'' Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people
not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the
LORD hath not done it? ( Amos 3:6, KJV)''

'' Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not
evil and good? ( Lamentations 3:38)''

However, evil is not really a created thing. You can't
see, touch, feel, smell or hear evil. It is not one of
the fundamental forces of physics, nor does it consist of matter, energy, or the spatial dimensions of the universe. Still, skeptics like to claim that God created evil and cite the Bible to "prove" their point. The Bible is quite clear that God is not the author of evil and insists that He is incapable of. doing so.

Skeptics love the KJV so much, one would think that
they were still back in medieval England. Use of this
translation is problematic these days, since it uses an archaic version of modern English, which doesn't
necessarily mean the same things today as when it
was translated over 400 years ago. In addition, the
KJV was produced using a limited number of
medieval manuscripts that did not represent the
earliest Alexandrian set of manuscripts.

WHAT DO THE MODERN TRANSLATION SAY?

1.Isaiah 45:7.
The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the
LORD who does all these. ( Isaiah 45:7, NASB)
I form the light and create darkness, I bring
prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all
these things. ( Isaiah 45:7, NIV)
Isaiah 45:7 contrasts opposites. Darkness is the
opposite of light. However, evil is not the opposite of peace. The Hebrew word translated "peace" is
shampoo, which has many meanings, mostly related
to the well being of individuals. Râ‛âh, the Hebrew
word translated "evil" in the KJV often refers to
adversity or calamity. There are two forms of the
word. Strong's H7451a most often refers to moral
evil, whereas Strong's H7451b (the form used here)
most often refers to calamity or distress. Obviously,
"calamity" is a better antonym of "peace" than "evil."
2.Amos3:6.
If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people
tremble? If a calamity occurs in a city has not the
LORD done it? ( Amos 3:6, NASB)
When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people
tremble? When disaster comes to a city, has not the
LORD caused it? ( Amos 3:6, NIV)
Likewise, Amos 3:6 uses the same word, râ‛âh,
referring to calamity or disaster. the context (a
disaster happening to a city) does not refer to moral
evil.
3. Lamentations 3:38
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both
calamities and good things come? ( Lamentations
3:38, NIV)
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That both
good and ill go forth? ( Lamentations 3:38, NASB)
The King James Version of Lamentations 3:38 seems
to suggest that God speaks both good and evil.
However, if one reads the verse in context, the
preceding verses indicate that God does not do or
approve of evil. The verse following indicates that
people should not complain in view of their sins.
What the verse really is saying that God decrees
times of good things and times of judgment.
Lamentations was written by Jeremiah during a time
of judgment, when Judah had gone off into exile.
Jeremiah was chosen by God to be the prophet to
tell Judah to reform or be judged. The people did
not believe Jeremiah, and, therefore, fell under
God's judgment. In Lamentations 3:38, the word
translated "good" is ṭôb (Strong's H2896). The word
usually refers to good things as opposed to bad
things. Again, râ‛âh does not refer to moral evil, but
calamities, in this verse. Likewise, the Bible
commentaries indicate that the verse refers to God's
judgment based upon people's sin
Conclusion;
God is not the author of evil. However, God does
reward and punish on the basis of good and bad
behavior. Therefore, God does bring judgment and
calamity (either directly or through human
authorities) on those who rebel. God will ultimately
judge all people, since rebels will not be allowed in
the new, perfect creation.

slyfox5555:


The question is similar to asking why does "darkness" exist? Darkness exist because of the absence of Light. Evil exist because of the absence of God. God did not create evil. When you remove God's moral standards: you have a solid framework for evil.

Weah96:

Except darkness is the absence of VISIBLE light only. There are still photons moving around, undetected by the light sensitive cells in our eyes. So technically, there's a lot of light even in pitch black darkness

.

I don't disagree. The fact is we can measure light but darkness; we can't. So, where there is no light i.e. where we can't measure light; then darkness exist

There are places in our natural world where darkness is separated from light, by FORCE. Those places are called event horizons. If you find yourself visiting one of these places, don't forget to remember that you're already DEAD. Hahaha.

Interesting ......

malvisguy212:
ok, it a choice' you believe or you reject. Thank you for your time.

Unluvable:
Is it in any dimension possible that as humans we can stop the whole bickering on our belief and just view the universe.
Using this very consciousness that is bestowed on us.

in my years of being human all I've seen is that whoever or whatever was responsible for this observable universe destroys all that's created. destruction is an important part of creation and critical in recycling.

it goes on and on with no interference. this is what life is all about. you and I find ourselves in the middle of it all, somewhere in history. your questions, your convictions is not going to change anything! it doesn't change that a baby somewhere is born with a defeat or that beautiful mountain is boiling up magma that will erupt leaving a comatose trail or that breathtaking ocean you are in awe of is making up a cyclone.

and this will go on and on till we complete our degenerative cycle putting an end to our consciousness. we'll all go back to how we were before we became aware.

and finally one day, when the earth finally decide to end the cycle. no one will be left to debate on how we got here and why we are here

johnydon22:


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malvisguy212:
You guys were running rampant , to and fro. Shouting God created evil, seeking who to devour and confusing innocent christians, hope you all have know the truth , God did not create evil but allow evil to exist for human to have option to love or hate God.