patches689:


76mm can engage air targets

But i wouldent say it is effective

All the air defense guns on Valour frigates are useless against F-7 jet, NAF attacks from amid-ship over deck, all your guns are limited angle of elevation and unable to fire at target on the perpendicular to the deck.

I have 3 different angles and positions to attack your ship if I want to use 6km range rockets. Carpet-bombing a huge sitting duck warship when my jet has ground search radar, is an easy ball game that will cost you your entire navy fleet of frigates in one day....SAN will cry....Zuma will cry....widows will cry.....Soweto will cry....

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agaugust:


SANDF has NO single AHEAD ammo, no news report or official report ever said you got it as at today. Your CIWS fires ordinary munitions .

I fly in all directions safe and secure, your warship is a sitting duck under my azz, so I can shiit my pooh on your frigate anyhow I like.

My F-7 is always outside the 4km max range of your Dual guns, you think NAF pilots are inexperienced like SAAF pilots? NAF has the best air to ground attack in modern Africa today.

Valour frigate air defense is very weak even your missiles cannot fly above 8km max ceiling, Umkhonto missile is about equal to a Roland SAM
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Again, you sprout the same nonsense

F-7 has nothing to attack the valour class with

our CIWS has not only AHEAD but closed-loop targeting

It could shoot a cigarette out of your pilots mouth and leave the plane and pilot completely intact if it wanted to

agaugust:


4km is maximum anti-air range. SANDF has NO single AHEAD ammo, no news report or official report ever said you got it as at today. Your CIWS fires ordinary munitions
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I posted the link just yesterday

We have AHEAD

Why does it cause you such emotion?

ActivateKruger:


buhahaha....

A Nigerian talking trash as usual... just stay in your peace forsaken country where 180million people share 1 Nobel Prize.... that' stipulates your idiocy.

A nobel prize? We dont need to be given tiny pieces of metal rubbish from d oyibos to feel good about ourselves you dirty zulu monkey

agaugust:


Lol, ignoramus mumu. That's a knee mortar that South Africans have been posting their own photos here since last year, boasting that only SANDF has knee mortar in Africa. Lol, Nigeria has it and I posted the photo.

Your SA friends are shocked to see the pic.

What you posted is not a knee mortar

This guy tells us he is a "researcher" for a "pmc", yet he cant tell a knee mortar apart from a light mortar

jln115:

Worlds dumbest nation with the best universities in not just africa but in the world!

www.4icu.org/topAfrica/
www.cwur.org/2014/

That must be why South Africa is officially the worlds dumbest and most unequal nation in the universe...

MikeCZAR:
That's the effective range.

Even with ordinary munition it is automatic and guided by radar. It'll be able to bring down targets. AHEAD makes it more effective

What did CSIR use to calculate trajectory of the rounds when deployed in civilian areas.

A gun is useless against target that is outside gun range, even if your gun has golden bullets.

Show me proof of maximum anti-air target range of your Dual gun, the only source I see is your mouth
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agaugust:


Lol, post those your SANDF knee mortars photo again and let's compare. Lol...Butt hurt, we too have knee mortar
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This is a knee mortar

Note: the lack of bipod, note sights are permanently attached, note base-plate is permanently attached

Post your "knee mortar"

agaugust:


Knee mortar, dude, see the man has to go down on his knee to use it, knee level mortar, knee mortar....are you a fisherman or corn farmer?
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hahahahahahahah

no, that is not a knee mortar

And it has many names, the Europeans call it a commando mortar

Yours has a sperate base plate and a bi-pod

Its not a knee or commando mortar

agaugust:


Yes bros, they are so light weight, they are the 51mm class also called Man portable mortar, Grenades discharger, Knee mortar....it knee level height and you have to go down on your knee to operate them, very short range, often below 1,000 meters max. Light infantry weapon, early introduction includes Japan in WW II.

The Southies think only SANDF has it in Africa. Those guys could say only South Africa has an airport in Africa. Lol.

Again, that is most certainly not a knee mortar. Light mortar yes, knee mortar no.

Pic related, knee mortars - high mobility ultra light mortars that can be deployed on the move without the need of carrying a separate base-plate, bi-pod and sight

agaugust:


Skyhawk was an obsolete 1960s jet with no radar, yet it sank warships in a fleet that has guided anti-aircraft missile frigates and destroyers.

History has proved me right no matter how you Southies try to distort war history.....you all lost this argument....and lost your Valour frigates....sorry I had to use your expensive warships for target practice....am sorry sir.... I was provoked

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This guy

Implying that air-defence of modern vessels is the same of air-defence of 1980's ones

He also conveniently forgets that Argentina lost over 60 aircraft during that war, 17 to naval vessels alone

Furthermore, the Naval vessels took their biggest losses while they were in a narrow channel, limited their ability to maneuver, employ long range weapons or detect incoming aircraft at max range

Joke

agaugust:


I have stripped your Valour frigate n..a..k..e..d and I find nothing impressive. It's air defense capability is 5 times less than NNS Aradu BVR missiles and multiple long range twin guns
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Obsolete missiles and unguided guns

Well inferior

jln115:

HAHA you are against democracy thus you cant be voted in, a coupd'état might do the job though?

at this stage,plotting coup isnt feasible anymore,any power crazed coup plotter would find himself at the serious end of AU/UN's rifle,arrested and whisked away to the ICC before he can even plead for mercy.the best way to sieze power is to dance to the current tune,until power gets to your hand.

agaugust:


All the air defense guns on Valour frigates are useless against F-7 jet, NAF attacks from amid-ship over deck, all your guns are limited angle of elevation and unable to fire at target on the perpendicular to the deck.

I have 3 different angles and positions to attack your ship if I want to use 6km range rockets. Carpet-bombing a huge sitting duck warship when my jet has ground search radar, is an easy ball game that will cost you your entire navy fleet of frigates in one day....SAN will cry....Zuma will cry....widows will cry.....Soweto will cry....

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Valour Class can detect your F-7 180km away

It will position itself so that the guns are facing the target

And do you think there will just be one? Multiple Valour class in overlapping feilds of fire

Carpet bombing is not a viable solution - hence why the Argentinians did not do it in the Falklands

And what are these magical 6km rockets you speak of yet are unable to post?

agaugust:


A gun is useless against target that is outside gun range, even if your gun has golden bullets.

Show me proof of maximum anti-air target range of your Dual gun, the only source I see is your mouth
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Show us proof of your magical 6km rockets first

Thiza:
SANDF DIFFERENT TYPES OF MORTARS

Nigeria too has ALL those types of mortars from 51mm to 120mm. SANDF is nothing special
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agaugust:


Nigeria too has ALL those types of mortars from 51mm to 120mm. SANDF is nothing special
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You dont have knee mortars

overhypedsteve:
aren't you both supposed to be tearing each other? I agree with you guys though. Africa have been cursed with clueless leaders since the glorious years of her independence. Few men have ever stood to prove themselves and their footprints still lay firm in the sands of time. Africa can be great, but such a prospect for Africa would not serve the interest of some powers that be.

lol.we'd "tear each other apart" if we werent discussing a matter of mutual concession.

MikeCZAR:
That's good since you would be posing no threat to the ship.

Nigeria has no frigate.

Nigeria has a guided missile frigate undergoing refit . F-7 jet can sink a frigate for now till Aradu is back from mid-life refit
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agaugust:


Nigeria has a guided missile frigate undergoing refit . F-7 jet can sink a frigate for now till Aradu is back from mid-life refit
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Nigeria has a Frigate rusting on the quay-side

F-7 doesnt stand a chance in hell against the Valour Class

Also: See how you allways talk about us attacking you, because you know that we can strike at you and that you cannot strike at us. Hence, we have force projection and you do not

patches689:


Again, that is most certainly not a knee mortar. Light mortar yes, knee mortar no.
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Pic related, knee mortars - [/b]high mobility ultra light mortars that can be deployed on the move without the need of carrying a separate base-plate, bi-pod and sight

All these are long un-necessary stories. They are both light enough for a commando to strap any to his back.

So, what's the difference?

patches689:


I posted the link just yesterday

We have AHEAD

Why does it cause you such emotion?

No emotion, just that your source does NOT say you have it. SANDF has no single piece of AHEAD ammo, NO source in this world ever said you bought it. FACT !
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patches689:


What you posted is not a knee mortar

This guy tells us he is a "researcher" for a "pmc", yet he cant tell a knee mortar apart from a light mortar

Define a knee mortar
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Henry120:


All these are long un-necessary stories. They are both light enough for a commando to strap any to his back.

So, what's the difference?

No, your version has to be carried by 2-3 men

Ours can be carried by one

Your version has to have its base-plate dug in, ours does not

Your version needs to be assembled, ours does not

Yours needs to be operated by 2 men, ours can be operated by one

Ours is a high mobility, quick deployment asset.

Yours is just a small mortar, with all the disadvantages of a mortar and none of the advantages of a commando mortar

jln115:

Im sorry bro,but you guys keep going of topic, talking about the South African education system and sh;t , and when i make one comment that went of topic you wet your pants.

always allow the discussion to lead to that. Never start an off topic discussion. First of all nobody was talking in that direction before you raised it up.

agaugust:


No emotion, just that your source does NOT say you have it. SANDF has no single piece of AHEAD ammo, NO source in this world ever said you bought it. FACT !
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Consult defenceweb

Stop getting so emotional

patches689:


You dont have knee mortars

There are several types of mortars in service with the military as you can see.

agaugust:


Define a knee mortar
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Commando mortar refers to a class of infantry light mortars designed for maximum portability and rapid deployment, at the expense of accuracy and repeatability.

Commando mortars often feature design simplifications such as straps instead of bipods, carrying handles, and limited aiming equipment. Some commando mortar straps are marked with measurements, with the intent that the mortarman step on a marked point of the sling and pull the sling taut, at which point the mortar will be angled so as to fire to the range marked at that point of the sling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_mortar

Why didnt you just use google you dimwit?

Henry120:


There are several types of mortars in service with the military as you can see.

No sh1t Sherlock

However, that is not the focus of this debate

patches689:


No, your version has to be carried by 2-3 men

Ours can be carried by one

Your version has to have its base-plate dug in, ours does not

Your version needs to be assembled, ours does not

Yours needs to be operated by 2 men, ours can be operated by one

Ours is a high mobility, quick deployment asset.

Yours is just a small mortar, with all the disadvantages of a mortar and none of the advantages of a commando mortar

How many guys are carrying this mortar?

Henry120:


How many guys are carrying this mortar?

One, because that is a commando mortar

Not quite sure what you think you are proving here

patches689:


This is a knee mortar

Note: the lack of bipod, note sights are permanently attached, note base-plate is permanently attached

Post your "knee mortar"

LOL, that's an SANDF design knee mortar below, does Nigeria's AGL look like that of SANDF ? Are they from same manufacturer? The simple proof of knee mortar is that it's knee height so you have to go down on your knee to use it, the Nigerian knee mortar is knee height and the soldier is down on his knee to use it. You are dull like a dullie , worse than Baba Suwe !
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