dastranger:


Ok good you agreed Jesus never claimed to establish christianity and not from God as well, wch means in other words you're following what was established(christianity) by men like you.
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i don't understand what you meant by eternal life here

Even after trying to explain,you still don't get it.I said Christianity is a description of the people who followed Jesus.You see what the problem is with many muslims- lack of THE UNDERSTANDING.Even Jesus had to minister to His disciples for God to give them understanding of scriptures.
What you wrote shows you didn't get the understanding.The prophets who came before Jesus had the laws and statutes.Unfortunately,the problem is that man cannot keep those laws perfectly because of the weakness of his flesh.God provided something better than the laws.He sent Jesus that through Him anyone who believes can receive eternal life(the nature of God,divinity).That life in you makes it easy to obey God and live out his nature rather than struggling to keep laws that your flesh cannot allow you keep.In Islam,this struggle continues until you die and Islam tells you that you have no guarantee in heaven but you are subject to whether God allows you.See it's the vanity of religion.

thorpido:
That life in you makes it easy to obey God and live out his nature rather than struggling to keep laws that your flesh cannot allow you keep.In Islam,this struggle continues until you die and Islam tells you that you have no guarantee in heaven but you are subject to whether God allows you.See it's the vanity of religion.

Don't get it wrong, Islam guarantees paradise to anyone that does good and keep to the commandments of Allah...I can provide you verses on that if you want.... And re you trying to say once you accept Christianity you cannot commit sins again and hence you're guaranteed paradise?

thorpido:
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Another problem Muslims have with the Bible is that there was old testament before only for some pple to claim it wasn't perfect enough.... Then they made some changes and transited from old to new with a lot of things removed.... Now my questions re who made the transition, man or God..... If by man, re they themselves agreeing that the Bible is no more holy in its nature, Hence the changes ? Or if they claim the old testament to be words of God, why will men change the words of God?

These re logical questions that needs answers, and pls don't give me the excuse of you don't av the holy spirit in you... So you can't grasp it, i know that when Christians wants to avoid question. They use that excuse

dastranger:
Another problem Muslims have with the Bible is that there was old testament before only for some pple to claim it wasn't perfect enough.... Then they made some changes and transited from old to new with a lot of things removed.... Now my questions re who made the transition, man or God..... If by man, re they themselves agreeing that the Bible is no more holy in its nature, Hence the changes ? Or if they claim the old testament to be words of God, why will men change the words of God?

These re logical questions that needs answers, and pls give me the excuse of you don't av the holy spirit in you... So you can't grasp it, it's know that when Christians wants to avoid question. They use that excuse

The most logical thing for a man who says something is corrupted is to provide the original with proof.
How come Muhammed couldn't provide this original?

dastranger:


Don't get it wrong, Islam guarantees paradise to anyone that does good and keep to the commandments of Allah...I can provide you verses on that if you want.... And re you trying to say once you accept Christianity you cannot commit sins again and hence you're guaranteed paradise?

No,the life of Christ makes you meet God's standard.Religion makes you struggle to meet God's standard with your works.You say good works will take you to heaven.How much good works?

dastranger:
Another problem Muslims have with the Bible is that there was old testament before only for some pple to claim it wasn't perfect enough.... Then they made some changes and transited from old to new with a lot of things removed.... Now my questions re who made the transition, man or God..... If by man, re they themselves agreeing that the Bible is no more holy in its nature, Hence the changes ? Or if they claim the old testament to be words of God, why will men change the words of God?

These re logical questions that needs answers, and pls give me the excuse of you don't av the holy spirit in you... So you can't grasp it, it's know that when Christians wants to avoid question. They use that excuse

All scripture are written by the inspiration of the holy spirit (2 tim 3:16-17).

thorpido:
The most logical thing for a man who says something is corrupted is to provide the original with proof.
How come Muhammed couldn't provide this original?

How can we provide the proof when the Christians themselves cannot find all the gospels of the disciples..See it's fact that you Christians don't av all the gospels.. You only choose the ones that appease to you and choose to debunk the rest ..... And you didn't answer my questions Bro, you only avoided it....why the transition in the Bible? And does being a Christian mean you cannot commit sin again hence you're guaranteed
paradise?
Another question is why have Christian chosen to avoid and debunk the gospel of Barnabas?

thorpido:
No,the life of Christ makes you meet God's standard.Religion makes you struggle to meet God's standard with your works.You say good works will take you to heaven.How much good works?

Good works I meant here means you do things according to Allah's commandment and that is if your good deeds outweighs the bad ones

kinibigdeal:



All scripture are written by the inspiration of the holy spirit (2 tim 3:16-17).

I agree brother

dastranger:
How can we provide the proof when the Christians themselves cannot find all the gospels of the disciples..See it's fact that you Christians don't av all the gospels.. You only choose the ones that appease to you and choose to debunk the rest ..... And you didn't answer my questions Bro, you only avoided it....why the transition in the Bible? And does being a Christian mean you cannot commit sin again hence you're guaranteed paradise?

it was Islam that disputed the gospel in the Bible.Islam therefore should do due diligence and provide the original.
Being a Christian does not mean you cannot commit sin.It only means you have been accepted by God and you have a life that can please Him.Also,your life is not judged by good works(cos no man's good works can meet God's standard)but you will be able to do the good works that please God.

dastranger:

Good works I meant here means you do things according to Allah's commandment and that is if your good deeds outweighs the bad ones

You are qualified when your good works outweigh the bad?Okay o.We will all find out if it is true at the end.

thorpido:
it was Islam that disputed the gospel in the Bible.Islam therefore should do due diligence and provide the original.
Being a Christian does not mean you cannot commit sin.It only means you have been accepted by God and you have a life that can please Him.Also,your life is not judged by good works(cos no man's good works can meet God's standard)but you will be able to do the good works that please God.

I never sed one can be perfected to God standards....you only have to strive bro... And again you avoided all my questions... Maybe I should just assume you have no answer to it just like many other Christians couldn't give me an answer.... And note that I still av other questions for you later

Have you read this gospel of Barnabas?Do you know that it contradicts even the quran?
It says that Muhammed and not Jesus is the Messaih(Al Maseeh) which is even contrary to what the quran says.
The gospel of Barnabas is rejected cos of it's invalidity.

dastranger:


I never sed one can be perfected to God standards....you only have to strive bro... And again you avoided all my questions... Maybe I should just assume you have no answer to it just like many other Christians couldn't give me an answer.... And note that I still av other questions for you later

I have answered your questions.The problemis you don't understand it.

thorpido:
The most logical thing for a man who says something is corrupted is to provide the original with proof.
How come Muhammed couldn't provide this original?

Even some discoveries were done but you pple debunked it as usual and labeled it blasphemy e.g is the story of a Bible believed to be 1500 yrs old...

This discovery turns modern Christianity on its head! This bible, dating as far back as 2,000 years, details the
Gospel of Barnabas, a disciple of Jesus Christ, which
shows that Jesus wasn’t actually crucified and doesn’t
claim him to be the son of God, but instead a prophet.
The book charges that Apostle Paul was “The Impostor.”
The story is completely different. In the Book of
Barnabas, Jesus wasn’t crucified, but ascended to
heaven alive, and Judas Iscariot was crucified instead.
The National Turk issued a report saying that the bible was seized from smugglers is a Mediterranean operation. The report states the gang was charged with
smuggling a variety of things, such as antiques, illegal
excavations and even explosives. The book is valued at
around $28 million. That’s quite the find! Experts and
Authorities in Tehran insist that the book is authentic.

It’swritten in gold lettering on loosely tied leather in Aramaic, the language of Christ. There are connections that can be drawn between this text and Islam, and it directly contradicts the New Testament’s teaching. In it, Jesus also predicts the birth of Prophet Muhammed, who founded Islam 700 years later.

Experts believe that during the Council of Nicea , the
Catholic Church went through and hand picked the
gospels that form what we know the bible to be today and omitted the Gospel of Barnabas (among others) in favor of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. These original texts surfaced over time, and this new discovery is especially worrying to the Catholic church. So what does this mean for religions derived of Christianity? It’s a bit of a predicament. The Vatican has asked Turkish authorities to allow them access to the book for examination. The big question is: will they accept it as evidence, deny its validity, or call it a “Muslim lie” as “Truth” Magazine did in 2000?

To many people, this book is seen as a cause for hope.
But what does this mean for atheists? Is it a real text or a hoax? And does it even really matter? With any luck, this newly discovered text will force theologians to ask deeper questions about their faiths instead of believing it withoutthinking. Only time will tell. In the meantime, keep an open mind, be respectful of the beliefs of others, and remember that it’s our responsibility to take care of one another and this place we call home.
Source:http://higherperspective.com/2014/05/1500-year-old-bible.html#g0mejRH4Ej2vMEHe.99
see below for pictures
But again you pple debunked this report as usual and said it's blasphemy

thorpido:
I have answered your questions.The problemis you don't understand it.

I believe the problem is your answers re not convincing Bro.... If you look at my questions... I found no replies that corresponds to the questions

dastranger:


Even some discoveries were done but you pple debunked it as usual and labeled it blasphemy e.g is the story of a Bible believed to be 1500 yrs old...

This discovery turns modern Christianity on its head! This bible, dating as far back as 2,000 years, details the
Gospel of Barnabas, a disciple of Jesus Christ, which
shows that Jesus wasn’t actually crucified and doesn’t
claim him to be the son of God, but instead a prophet.
The book charges that Apostle Paul was “The Impostor.”
The story is completely different. In the Book of
Barnabas, Jesus wasn’t crucified, but ascended to
heaven alive, and Judas Iscariot was crucified instead.
The National Turk issued a report saying that the bible was seized from smugglers is a Mediterranean operation. The report states the gang was charged with
smuggling a variety of things, such as antiques, illegal
excavations and even explosives. The book is valued at
around $28 million. That’s quite the find! Experts and
Authorities in Tehran insist that the book is authentic.

It’swritten in gold lettering on loosely tied leather in Aramaic, the language of Christ. There are connections that can be drawn between this text and Islam, and it directly contradicts the New Testament’s teaching. In it, Jesus also predicts the birth of Prophet Muhammed, who founded Islam 700 years later.

Experts believe that during the Council of Nicea , the
Catholic Church went through and hand picked the
gospels that form what we know the bible to be today and omitted the Gospel of Barnabas (among others) in favor of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. These original texts surfaced over time, and this new discovery is especially worrying to the Catholic church. So what does this mean for religions derived of Christianity? It’s a bit of a predicament. The Vatican has asked Turkish authorities to allow them access to the book for examination. The big question is: will they accept it as evidence, deny its validity, or call it a “Muslim lie” as “Truth” Magazine did in 2000?

To many people, this book is seen as a cause for hope.
But what does this mean for atheists? Is it a real text or a hoax? And does it even really matter? With any luck, this newly discovered text will force theologians to ask deeper questions about their faiths instead of believing it withoutthinking. Only time will tell. In the meantime, keep an open mind, be respectful of the beliefs of others, and remember that it’s our responsibility to take care of one another and this place we call home.
Source:http://higherperspective.com/2014/05/1500-year-old-bible.html#g0mejRH4Ej2vMEHe.99
see below for pictures
But again you pple debunked this report as usual and said it's blasphemy

What an eye opener!!....... Hmmmm. ...Many answers we still avnt found... May God guide us

dastranger:


Even some discoveries were done but you pple debunked it as usual and labeled it blasphemy e.g is the story of a Bible believed to be 1500 yrs old...

This discovery turns modern Christianity on its head! This bible, dating as far back as 2,000 years, details the
Gospel of Barnabas, a disciple of Jesus Christ, which
shows that Jesus wasn’t actually crucified and doesn’t
claim him to be the son of God, but instead a prophet.
The book charges that Apostle Paul was “The Impostor.”
The story is completely different. In the Book of
Barnabas, Jesus wasn’t crucified, but ascended to
heaven alive, and Judas Iscariot was crucified instead.
The National Turk issued a report saying that the bible was seized from smugglers is a Mediterranean operation. The report states the gang was charged with
smuggling a variety of things, such as antiques, illegal
excavations and even explosives. The book is valued at
around $28 million. That’s quite the find! Experts and
Authorities in Tehran insist that the book is authentic.

It’swritten in gold lettering on loosely tied leather in Aramaic, the language of Christ. There are connections that can be drawn between this text and Islam, and it directly contradicts the New Testament’s teaching. In it, Jesus also predicts the birth of Prophet Muhammed, who founded Islam 700 years later.

Experts believe that during the Council of Nicea , the
Catholic Church went through and hand picked the
gospels that form what we know the bible to be today and omitted the Gospel of Barnabas (among others) in favor of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. These original texts surfaced over time, and this new discovery is especially worrying to the Catholic church. So what does this mean for religions derived of Christianity? It’s a bit of a predicament. The Vatican has asked Turkish authorities to allow them access to the book for examination. The big question is: will they accept it as evidence, deny its validity, or call it a “Muslim lie” as “Truth” Magazine did in 2000?

To many people, this book is seen as a cause for hope.
But what does this mean for atheists? Is it a real text or a hoax? And does it even really matter? With any luck, this newly discovered text will force theologians to ask deeper questions about their faiths instead of believing it withoutthinking. Only time will tell. In the meantime, keep an open mind, be respectful of the beliefs of others, and remember that it’s our responsibility to take care of one another and this place we call home.
Source:http://higherperspective.com/2014/05/1500-year-old-bible.html#g0mejRH4Ej2vMEHe.99
see below for pictures
But again you pple debunked this report as usual and said it's blasphemy

Barnabas was not one of the twelve disciples.It turns the story on it's head.
Every other thing renders it invalid.

dastranger:

I believe the problem is your answers re not convincing Bro.... If you look at my questions... I found no replies that corresponds to the questions

Re-read my responses.I have tried to break it down as much as possible.
The understanding is not my responsibility but yours.I can't do anything about that.

thorpido:
Jesus came and fulfilled a purpose.The story was that he was killed and was raised from the dead even before Muhammed was born.Muhammed came later with his story that he did not die but another person was killed in his place.Even before Muhammed came there was the story that he died but did not rise from the dead.
I can say it was Muhammed's story and assumption since he did not leave any undeniable proof except his story that it was what God told him.

Am sorry to bring this back I just wanna chip in this if u could help me with it. Pls kindly help me make a search for a bible actually written without revision that contains those words originally I they were spelt. revised edition may not be representing the way it was. I need an untouched version just like the quran the muslims av been using over 4100yrs which they will still be using.

thorpido:
Barnabas was not one of the twelve disciples.It turns the story on it's head.
Every other thing renders it invalid.

Was john,luke one of the apostles?

thorpido:
Barnabas was not one of the twelve disciples.It turns the story on it's head.
Every other thing renders it invalid.

That is why I said you guys choose to believe what appease to you...
You rejected Barnabas because his teachings re similar to that of Muslims doctrines

afolag:

Am sorry to bring this back I just wanna chip in this if u could help me with it. Pls kindly help me make a search for a bible actually written without revision that contains those words originally I they were spelt. revised edition may not be representing the way it was. I need an untouched version just like the quran the muslims av been using over 4100yrs which they will still be using.

It was Islam that denied the gospel in the bible.It's the responsibility of Islam to bring the original version.It's a man that rejects something that has the responsibility of producing the original as evidence.

muib:

Was john,luke one of the apostles?

Do a research on Luke and John.They were acquitances of the disciples.

thorpido:
Read.

Jesus said in the book of Mathew 15 verse 9

"But in vain they do worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"
What dd he mean and who was he referring to here

dastranger:

That is why I said you guys choose to believe what appease to you...
You rejected Barnabas because his teachings re similar to that of Muslims doctrines

Barnabas was not one of the disciples of Jesus.His doctrines are also contradictory.I just told you he said Muhammed is the messaih which is contrary to the bible and even the quran.Is that too difficult to understand?
Do you accept what is shown to be false?

thorpido:
It was Islam that denied the gospel in the bible.It's the responsibility of Islam to bring the original version.It's a man that rejects something that has the responsibility of producing the original as evidence.

When you yourself admitted that the Bible cannot be found in its original Aramaic form.... Does it not make sense to question the originality of the Bible, does it not make sense to question a book that took transition from old to new, does it not make to question a book that goes on changing having different versions..... It simply means I and you can even make a Bible... And simply name it eg "dastranger version"

dastranger:

Jesus said in the book of Mathew 15 verse 9

"But in vain they do worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"
What dd he mean and who was he referring to here

I laugh.You are quoting a scripture without knowing the import of it.

The disciples of Jesus asked Him why he spoke more in parables.Jesus said,'that they having eyes should not see and having ears should not understand........lest they be converted and I should heal them.Who was he talking about here?

I have tried explaining things yet you say you don't understand.You know why?
Having eyes is not enough.

thorpido:
Barnabas was not one of the disciples of Jesus.His doctrines are also contradictory.I just told you he said Muhammed is the messaih which is contrary to the bible and even the quran.Is that too difficult to understand?
Do you accept what is shown to be false?

The reasons of the Christians to reject the Gospel are not valid and below are listed the real reasons why the Christians reject the Gospel of Barnabas.

1. It states that God is One and not three / No divinity of Jesus
2. It states that Prophet Muhammad (s) is the last Prophet of God
3. It states that Prophet Muhammad (s) is the Messiah
4. It does not talk about any original sin
5. It states that the last Prophet will be an Ishmaelite
6. It also denies the crucifixion

The Gospel of Barnabas is more reliable and authentic than any other Gospel. Let us see why!


1. God is One and not three

"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]

"I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour."
[The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]

"I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]

"I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 46:9]

2. Prophet Muhammad (s) is the last Prophet of God

John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me"

John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."

dastranger:


When you yourself admitted that the Bible cannot be found in its original Aramaic form.... Does it not make sense to question the originality of the Bible, does it not make sense to question a book that took transition from old to new, does it not make to question a book that goes on changing having different versions..... It simply means I and you can even make a Bible... And simply name it eg "dastranger version"

Do a bit of research.There are still copies of the Bible that were published before Muhammed was born.I'm sure you will find a copy in the Library of Congress.The British museum should also have a copy.The fundamental message of Jesus is the same.
It was Muhammed's doctrines that denied the gospel in the Bible.He should simply have provided an original copy.
At least ask Allah for a copy.

thorpido:
I laugh.You are quoting a scripture without knowing the import of it.

The disciples of Jesus asked Him why he spoke more in parables.Jesus said,'that they having eyes should not see and having ears should not understand........lest they be converted and I should heal them.Who was he talking about here?

I have tried explaining things yet you say you don't understand.You know why?
Having eyes is not enough.

You just insulted me wch I ain't surprised about..... It's what you Christian do Afterall.... But your story here doesn't justify anything.... Give me the verse of him asking the disciples andhow they're in sync with the verse 9 I quoted

thorpido:
It was Islam that denied the gospel in the bible.It's the responsibility of Islam to bring the original version.It's a man that rejects something that has the responsibility of producing the original as evidence.

we love and respect jesus (peace and blessings of Almighty be upon him) he was glorified in the quran, just as he said, infact Quran been the conglomeration of all books gave full account of the story before and after the birth and days of jesus on earth. So my friend we dont need to argue because Allah made us understand tru mohammed (pbuh) that on the day of judgement all those who call jesus d son of God will go to him and he will tell them that when and where did he say so. Thats why I enjoined you to find the original bible untouched study it for ur sake so you could prepare ur answers for the day of reckoning. May God bless us both with the full understanding of his words.