coogar:


opta said rooney has the worst possession stats - berbatov consistently destroyed him.

coogar:


•berbatov was the best striker in the premier league in his debut season in england

•berbatov won the golden boot in england(excluding cheap penalties to boost his stats)

•berbatov has scored more international goals than rooney in spite of his retirement few seasons ago.

•rooney had no hand in our european glory. anderson, nani, contributed more as substitutes than wayne rooney.

•lastly, berbatov looks better than rooney - rooney looks like shrek.....the cross between a gibbon and a congolese pig.

dopeJemi:
No need for this long talk, coogar, bring a gif of our game against tottenham, where rooney wasted that sublime pass

That's a very clear example

coogar:


so is that miscontrol the first touch? illiteracy is a disease. van persie would have been awarded an unsuccessful touch when he failed to score against lloris......but his first touch before he miscontrolled the ball with the 3rd touch was 100% perfect.

so elampawa - is the first touch the same as the miscontrol?

illiteracy is a disease.




on which planet is berbatov more erroneous than rooney in ball control? rooney plays deep, runs into areas where he can get away with his atrocious first touch - berba/RVP/falcao play in areas where they are more heavily marked. rooney has more passes closer to de gea than any of our striker - how would he miscontrol in that area of the pitch when there's no marker breathing down his neck.

this is the 12th time you have been exposed - you don't have the IQ to draw conclusions from data and statistics.

Nihilist:
Mehn I also give up.

elampiro:


Enlighten yourself further. You need education.


OPTA:Tackle - Unsuccessful Take-on/Dispossessed . 

A tackle is awarded if a player wins the ball from another player who is in possession. If he is attempting to beat the tackler, the other player will get an unsuccessful Take-on. If he is in possession but not attempting to "beat" his man, then he will get a dispossessed.

RVP had an unsuccessful take on. Not unsuccessful touch.


Unsuccessful touch is basically about first touch. Any further activity has to do more with dispossessed and unsuccessful take on.

Cc Nihilist.

coogar:



it's tedious arguing with an illiterate.
since you dunno the difference between the first touch that controls a difficult pass and the subsequent touches the player makes later then how can we help you?

PietroRico:
elampiro no go kill person here.

Rooney has a better 1st touch than rvp and berba?

See the way he's arguing in the wrong direction with all his energy

PietroRico:
elampiro no go kill person here.

Rooney has a better 1st touch than rvp and berba?

See the way he's arguing in the wrong direction with all his energy

elampiro:

Show me any season Berbatov had more opta scores than Rooney?

Yet he never got into FIFA known strikers. Berbatov is renowned for scoring against weak teams and weak footballing countres. Rooney has made FIFA LIST AS BEST NUMBER 9 IN THE WORLD.

elampiro:

You are the illiterate here. Opta never define unsuccessful touch as 'subsequent' touches. Subsequent touches will most likely result in dispossession and unsuccessfull take-on.

RuuDie:


Correction... it wasn't Herrera and it wasn't a pass either. It was Mata and it was a 'perfectly cushioned' 'Berbatov-like' ball-control from Blackett's defensive clearance onto Rooney's foot.

Abi you want to drag now that Rooney has 'Berbatov-like' ball-control!!? Wetin concern fatigue with ball-control?

coogar:


berbatov was miles better than rooney in 06/07, 07/08, 08/09 and 10/11. that's about 4 seasons. in 2010/11, berbatov was the 5th best player in europe according to castrol ranking. he was the best player in the premier league according to ea sports player performance index(these 2 organisations also use OPTA stats to rate players).



berbatov shat over rooney for 4 seasons. in 08/09, he made 71 key passes to rooney's 57 key passes. he was integral to everything we did that season & it wasn't a surprise SAF had to sell tevez. berba outperformed him.



you are the stark illiterate here....
first touch is a subset of touch. most likely is not absolute. a first touch could conveniently keep the ball with the second touch putting the ball out of play. it's a shame you still dunno the difference between the first touch and other touches.

the whole world is laughing at your idïocy.

Odunharry:

this is how it started.....

elampiro:


Exactly, ball control was the subject. Later loss of possession came. When I brought stat, they started shifting goalpost from left to right. Yet, it is not working for them. Plus you.

Odunharry:

lol....elampiro no dy tire??

U dn miss d koko of the argument..na u dy shift post gan

elampiro:


Stas say Rooney has a better ball control.

Odunharry:

lol....na wetin make me gif up

PietroRico:
I'm not interested in the whole argument.

The part that caught my attention was when u said rooney had a better 1st touch than rvp and berbatov

if his 1st touch is good or not, isn't my concern but that particular assertion is laughable at best.

If u still can't identify first touch to be just a part of ball control by now, I'm afraid there's nothing I can do.

I go just dey sidelines dey laugh.

U don begin talk about brainwashing

Very soon u go start your conspiracy theories

Carry on oga .

elampiro:


Except you bring up stat showing only first touch, then the one I brought up stands. Unsuccessful touch has more to do with first touch than subsequent touches. Subsequent touches will most likely lead to disposes and unsuccessful take on.

So if Berbaov and RVP have one sexy first touch out of three, while Rooney has two nice first touches out of three, who has done better?

How many times has first touches let RVP down in the box this season?

PietroRico:
sigh. Ho coogar tk dey argue with you?
What's our business with subsequent touches.
Its has almost no business here.
We don't need any stats to tell who has a BETTER 1st touch.

We have eyes ffs!

How stats wan tey record say person use 30 seconds trap one basic short pass?
How will it record those sexy take downs by mata or rvp.

Smh. Ur matter hard sha.

again, whatever the player decides to do AFTER the sexy 1st touch has no business here.
Jeez.
If berba gets dispossessed on the 2nd touch after 10 sexy 1st touches because of his poor decision making and rooney manages to keep the ball after needing a distance of port harcourt to sambisa to take hold the ball, fact is berba still has the better 1ST TOUCH!

How much simpler do u need this to be broken down?

RuuDie:


Correction... it wasn't Herrera and it wasn't a pass either. It was Mata and it was a 'perfectly cushioned' 'Berbatov-like' ball-control from Blackett's defensive clearance onto Rooney's foot.

Abi you want to drag now that Rooney has 'Berbatov-like' ball-control!!? Wetin concern fatigue with ball-control?

elampiro:


You are offline in this argument. Let me help you.

1. Mata's pass to Rooney in Yeovil. Is it a pass or first touch? If it's first touch as claimed by Ruudie, Coogar, Odunharry and Nihilist, how come Rooney's first time shot for great goals are not first touches?

This is the basis of all the argument. I don't deviate. Ball control and direction. The rest shift of post na washie.

2. Are first touches not part of unsuccessful touches?

3. Do you have stats on first touches? If not unsuccessful touch stats becomes the criteria with which we measure a players ability to control a ball/pass etc. Not any once in a long while gif or collections of few good touches.

4. Do you have stats for second or subsequent touches? If not, why talk abstract?

PietroRico:
my God.
Was it specified?

PietroRico:
my God.
as declared by magistrate elampiro. Ok then.
You obviously still do not get the idea by now. ok then have fun

elampiro:


Yes. Look at the definition of a touch and an unsuccessful touch again.

Only aerial duels and duels are excluded.




Bros, stats are facts. Remember, so we were told.

Nawa oooo!! Una don drag this matter con reach hear


EVEN Tom & Jerry sabi sey Rooney ghuud for that first touch control matter

I am also a Rooney fan, I criticize him when It's due..... In this aspect, Mata, Berbatov and RvP are better Rooney

ELYMAXiimus:

bros, i believe rooney is/was better than dimitar in total performance.
But in terms of touch nd ball control berbatov was the specialist.... Rooney couldnt/cannot control aerial balls with one touch. this is something berbatov did with ease while he was still in man-u.