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That matter is wider than you think.

However, I have proven that Berbatov and RVP miscontrol rate is higher than Rooney's.

What is the essence of even trapping a ball and not being able to retain it?



Lastly, Berbatov has countless of miscued first touches. How many times has he scored one vs one? His first touch always let him down.

elampiro:
If not for stat, would they have even agreed Berbatov has more miscontrols and dispossessed than Rooney. In our summer 2013 argument when I came here newly, I mentioned Berbatov was easily dispossessed of the ball. I was told I was lying that Berbatov was one player you would have to kill to take the ball from him.


Now see stats. Ukwu!!!

When u talk of ball control nd traping down balls Berbie is miles ahead of Ronnie.U shd compare berbie to the swede god(Zlatan).Buh berbatov's subsequent touches are not as gud as waza's wc makes him lose possesion more.He also takes too long on the ball giving opposition time to close him down nd he often go for xtra ordinary of outrageous pass wc makes him a genius one time nd a fool if he miscues.

Since Berckham, the Man United player who is most unlikely to miscontrol an aerial long ball is Valencia.

Berbatov has just a sexy touch which he even miscues so often.

folba:
When u talk of ball control nd traping down balls Berbie is miles ahead of Ronnie.U shd compare berbie to the swede god(Zlatan).Buh berbatov's subsequent touches are not as gud as waza's wc makes him lose possesion more.He also takes too long on the ball giving opposition time to close him down nd he often go for xtra ordinary of outrageous pass wc makes him a genius one time nd a fool if he miscues.

Good writing here. However, statistic says Berbatov has worse miscontrol than Rooney. So. On ball conrol, Rooney is better. Berba has a sexy fisrt touch which many times let him down like an ordinary player.

Hopefully, from this weekend I will start posting clips of Rooney controls. I will start from his goal in Rome when he controlled Oleg's fine cross before placing it into the net . His nice first time touches and one two inter-connecting aerial passes with Scholes and Giggs against (I think Barca in Camp Nou).

They will say Rooney doent have first touch. Rooney cannot make Mata's first time pass.

abeg u ppl should stop dis rubbish argument!! this started from "Wayne Rooney has d worst first touch in d whole of Manchester" to "Berbatov is better/not better Dan Rooney in d first touch dept" ,soon it will become "David de gea is a better dribbler Dan Rooney" ...enough is enough!!! ...stop filling our screens with crap!!! You open a page with only four posts covering d whole page ,nawa ooh!!


@Coogar n Elampiro we hv heard d both of u n dats enough!!! ,now quit behaving like two Nollywood movie village mums fighting over firewood!!!!

elampiro:

Rooney always ranked higher than Berbatov on whoscored and FIFA.

stop talking like an illiterate, please. whoscored is an independent sports site. they use opta's data & create their own algorithm to rate players. ea sports also use their own formula to rate the players based on opta's data.

ea sports is premier league's official player rating organisation. opta itself doesn't rate players. they just collate data - it's up to any organisation to process the data and draw their own conclusion. how whoscored got rooney rating 9.9 in a match is up to whoscored - opta do not rate players, they only compile stats on players.

Opta says Rooney has a better ball control. Control involves basically first touch and secondly, retaining possession.

stop lying - opta didn't say that.
if rooney has the better ball control & first touch, why is his passing stat worse than berbatov throughout the time berba was in england?

The whole universe is laughing at you. We are talking stats not gifs. Berba has countless first touch miscontrols that should have set him one vs one with goalkeeper

the passing stats already destroyed this argument. rooney cannot pass the ball because he cannot even control the passes he receives. berbatov has the best first touch in europe, followed by robin van persie.

rooney is a nuisance!

coogar:


stop talking like an illiterate, please. whoscored is an independent sports site. they use opta's data & create their own algorithm to rate players. ea sports also use their own formula to rate the players based on opta's data.

ea sports is premier league's official player rating organisation. opta itself doesn't rate players. they just collate data - it's up to any organisation to process the data and draw their own conclusion. how whoscored got rooney rating 9.9 in a match is up to whoscored - opta do not rate players, they only compile stats on players.



stop lying - opta didn't say that.
if rooney has the better ball control & first touch, why is his passing stat worse than berbatov throughout the time berba was in england?



the passing stats already destroyed this argument. rooney cannot pass the ball because he cannot even control the passes he receives. berbatov has the best first touch in europe, followed by robin van persie.

rooney is a nuisance!

Who doesnt know whoscored is independednt from opta? Something I pointed out long ago.[b][/b]

Passing has nothing to do with ball control. You lack football analytically skills. If passing had something to do with it, then CR7 would have one of the best pass percentage in the world. Sometimes he comes out of a match with 67% pass accuracy and still wins the MOTM.

Cleverley has a high pass accuracy, does it mean he has good first touch?

The fact that Rooney made more key passes tells you alot that Berba was only making safe passes.

So elampiro asked a question - if Mata's pass to Rooney is a first touch, why then is Rooney's goal against City not? You all conveniently scraped over that. Elampiro you have won this round.

elampiro:

Who doesnt know whoscored is independednt from opta? Something I pointed out long ago.

pointed it out to who? did you even know who whoscored or OPTA were when you joined this forum? see this mgbeke man claiming? there was a time you were ridiculing opta here - you never even knew stats were collated - you called opta oputa

you should thank your stars you joined NL & you met coogar - the man that opened your eyes.

Passing has nothing to do with ball control. You lack football analytically skills. If passing had something to do with it, then CR7 would have one of the best pass percentage in the world. Sometimes he comes out of a match with 67% pass accuracy and still wins the MOTM.

passing has everything to do with ball control. ronaldo has no first touch - he's just a bully. players who run around like bulldogs rarely have the gift of the first touch. you cannot put ronaldo in the top 10 of players with first touch - that exclusive list belongs to berba, ibra, bergkamp, cantona, silva, etc. none of them runs around like rooney - the reason players like rooney run around is because their touch lets them down & they have to chase after the ball.

Cleverley has a high pass accuracy, does it mean he has good first touch?

cleverley has a better toüch than rooney. he receives the ball & passes it smoothly. although, most of his passes are safe passes but he still does his best.

The fact that Rooney made more key passes tells you alot that Berba was only making safe passes.

rooney took more set pieces in those years - berbatov never took set pieces for us. stop magnifying your idïocy than you have already done.

leggo:
So elampiro asked a question - if Mata's pass to Rooney is a first touch, why then is Rooney's goal against City not? You all conveniently scraped over that. Elampiro you have won this round.

so shot on target is a first touch? rooney's goal against city isn't no longer a first touch - it's a finish! first touch controls the ball in a way to avoid your opponent from taking it from you. there's a difference between controlling the ball to retain & shooting on target.

any idiöt can shoot on target - few players have ball control.

Sigh

But one of you was quick to call mata's pass a brilliant controlling of the ball to Rooney? Rooney's goal then is a brilliant controlling of the ball into the goal. #YourLogic

bleacher report's top 12 players with the best first touch in the history of football.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1805968-power-ranking-players-with-the-best-1st-touch

the list had messi, iniesta, riquelme, pirlo, busquets, xavi, ronaldinho, ibra & of course, dimitar berbatov.

berbatov:
Not many players can pull off a "keep calm and pass me the ball" T-shirt, but if anyone can, it's Dimitar Berbatov.

And throughout his time in the Premier League, it is something that he has more than proven.

Now we all know the reasons why the Bulgarian finds himself—an outrageously talented yet frustrating merc'—playing amidst relative mediocrity at Fulham.

He plays at his own pace, has a tendency to go missing when things aren't going to his liking and isn't adaptable to the high pressing game currently en vogue among the vast majority of European football's elite.

Nonetheless, those negatives don't take away from his technical attributes, chief among them being the velvety goodness which is his first touch. If controlling a ball to the point that it lies as perfectly as if it had been placed by hand was a sport in itself, then Berbatov would likely win the Ballon d'Or.

Make him what you will: lazy underachiever or effortless virtuoso. You simply cannot deny that his touch is rarely anything other than wondrous.

elampiro no dy gree...

leggo:
But one of you was quick to call mata's pass a brilliant controlling of the ball to Rooney? Rooney's goal then is a brilliant controlling of the ball into the goal. #YourLogic

a pass is different from a shot on target. mata's pass was cushioned. look at the gif again and see how he made sure he cushioned it so it doesn't bounce off rooney's shin like most passes rooney receives always do.

rooney just attempted an overhead kick - he fluked it & it paid off.

How some people take understand question for exam hall come answer am pass is still a mystery.

Rooneys first touch is disappointing for a player of his calibre.

First touch is consciously trying to bring the ball under control to retain it, whatever you do after that first contro to have possession of the ball is not what matters here in this arguement.

Why some can't get it is rather revealing!

We Need New defenders this winter window..!!!

Manchester United 'bid for Mats Hummels and Benedikt Howedes'

Last Updated: Monday, January 5, 2015 at 00:13 UK

Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal is reportedly planning a double swoop for German defenders Mats Hummels and Benedikt Howedes this month.

Since the Dutchman took charge of the Red Devils in the summer, United's defence has come under criticism and numerous centre-backs have been linked with moves to Old Trafford.

The Express claims that Van Gaal has identified Borussia Dortmund's Hummels and Schalke 04's Howedes as his prime targets when he reinforces his back line.

United had been linked with a move for Real Madrid's Raphael Varane, but Los Blancos are thought to be unwilling to sell.

However, World Cup winning duo Hummels and Howedes are rumoured to be looking for a way out of their respective clubs during the January transfer window.

Arsenal are said to be interested in the pair, but both are understood to prefer a move to United.

Manchester United sign
former Barcelona star Valdes

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redrants.com/united-confirm-valdes-signing/

freshfootball.co.uk/good-signing-manchester-united-fans-react-as-ex-barca-star-joins/

freshmanutd.com/confirmed-manchester-united-complete-first-signing-of-the-transfer-window/

Manchester United 'to bid £1.5m for Aston Villa defender Ron Vlaar'


Last Updated: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 at 14:03 UK
Manchester United are reportedly prepared to test Aston Villa's resolve with a bid for defender Ron Vlaar.

The 29-year-old will become a free agent in the summer, but reports have claimed that United want the Dutchman before the end of the January transfer window.

According to the Daily Star, the Red Devils will offer £1.5m to Villa for Vlaar, who has also been linked to Liverpool and Arsenal.

Villa are believed to be willing to let the defender leave for nothing in the summer in order to keep him for the remainder of the season.

•no quote from the german clubs
•no quote from united
•no quote from the agents of the players
•express.co.uk?

patience jonathan has a better chance of winning a nobel prize in literature than for that story to be true.

r231:
Manchester United 'to bid £1.5m for Aston Villa defender Ron Vlaar'


Last Updated: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 at 14:03 UK
Manchester United are reportedly prepared to test Aston Villa's resolve with a bid for defender Ron Vlaar.

The 29-year-old will become a free agent in the summer, but reports have claimed that United want the Dutchman before the end of the January transfer window.

According to the Daily Star, the Red Devils will offer £1.5m to Villa for Vlaar, who has also been linked to Liverpool and Arsenal.

Villa are believed to be willing to let the defender leave for nothing in the summer in order to keep him for the remainder of the season.

1.5m isnt bad..

UNITED QUIZ
Who left Old Trafford to join
Newcastle in January 1995 as part of the deal that brought Andy Cole to United?

Which former Reds team-
mate replaced Roy Keane for
Celtic during the 2006 Scottish
League Cup final, scoring their
third goal

Which ex-Reds striker was
in charge of Barnsley when
they faced United in the
League Cup in October 2009?

Which former United player
scored the first Premier League
goal in a Manchester derby?

We need an experience CB,a winger and Strootman/Vidal

Real Madrid are requesting £120m for Gareth Bale who seems to be in the eye of Manchester United - ManUNews

But wetin happen 120 for what ?

hey guys do u think dat LVG's squad can surpass United's all time unbeaten run which stands at 29? I remember we were close to doing dat during d 2010/2011 season b4 losing to wolves. Currently we r 11 match unbeaten even with our shyte defense n constant tinkering of d squad cos of injuries, when all our injured players return n r fit n also if we do some January deals ,do y'all think it's possible?

parrotibaba:
hey guys do u think dat LVG's squad can surpass United's all time unbeaten run which stands at 29? I remember we were close to doing dat during d 2010/2011 season b4 losing to wolves. Currently we r 11 match unbeaten even with our shyte defense n constant tinkering of d squad cos of injuries, when all our injured players return n r fit n also if we do some January deals ,do y'all think it's possible?

Not possible bro. I'm sorry.

Keky:
Not possible bro. I'm sorry.

says an arsenal fan ,bro pack well




Apparently we r about to announce d signing of Victor valdes in an 18 month deal; do we really need a goalkeeper right now?

parrotibaba:
says an arsenal fan ,bro pack well




Apparently we r about to announce d signing of Victor valdes in an 18 month deal; do we really need a goalkeeper right now?

49 games no be beans na, hahahahahahaha.

A manutd fan on Twitter said

"This is d best time to buy Matt Hummels from BVB ,BVB bottom of d league ,united 3rd on d table, an improved salary n it's done"

coogar:


pointed it out to who? did you even know who whoscored or OPTA were when you joined this forum? see this mgbeke man claiming? there was a time you were ridiculing opta here - you never even knew stats were collated - you called opta oputa

you should thank your stars you joined NL & you met coogar - the man that opened your eyes.



passing has everything to do with ball control. ronaldo has no first touch - he's just a bully. players who run around like bulldogs rarely have the gift of the first touch. you cannot put ronaldo in the top 10 of players with first touch - that exclusive list belongs to berba, ibra, bergkamp, cantona, silva, etc. none of them runs around like rooney - the reason players like rooney run around is because their touch lets them down & they have to chase after the ball.



cleverley has a better toüch than rooney. he receives the ball & passes it smoothly. although, most of his passes are safe passes but he still does his best.



rooney took more set pieces in those years - berbatov never took set pieces for us. stop magnifying your idïocy than you have already done.



so shot on target is a first touch? rooney's goal against city isn't no longer a first touch - it's a finish! first touch controls the ball in a way to avoid your opponent from taking it from you. there's a difference between controlling the ball to retain & shooting on target.

any idiöt can shoot on target - few players have ball control.

1. As at this time last year, you thought whoscored raitings was opta's ratings until I opened your eyes. You were calling he raitings opta ratings, and you said they were the only objective ratings.

2. Berbatov has a sexy first touch which enters for him on a try your luck basis. Berbatov first touch is not different from Ahmed Musa dribbles. If you collected Musa successful dribbles you would buy him for £300m, but if you have a collection of his unsuccessful dribbles, you would take his football license. Same applies to Berba unsuccessful first touches. They are as awful as village 80 yrs old playing football, sometimes he allows the ball to bounce before he even traps it.

3. Cleverley has a better 1st touch than Berbatov.

4. On set piece. Excuse excuse. Who would give set play to wayward legs of Berbatov?

5. If Mata's pass is first touch, then Rooney's goals from first time are first touch. Since Rooney has the best goal in EPL history, then he has the best touch moments in EPL hisory.