codedguy1:
How some people take understand question for exam hall come answer am pass is still a mystery.

Rooneys first touch is disappointing for a player of his calibre.

First touch is consciously trying to bring the ball under control to retain it, whatever you do after that first contro to have possession of the ball is not what matters here in this arguement.

Why some can't get it is rather revealing!

1. Statistics say Rooney has the best first touch among the three of them. Unsuccessful touch counts all miscontrol from all touches.

2. Berbatov has sexy touches which most often let him down. Just like Musa has great dribbles which often let him down.

3. Do you have statistics of subsequent touches from first touch? Subsequent touches lead to dispossession and unsuccessful dribbles. First touch leads basically to unsuccessful touch and Rooney won.




We talk facts and stats, not abstract or collection of successful gifs. Are you educated now?

elampiro:

1. As at this time last year, you thought whoscored raitings was opta's ratings until I opened your eyes. You were calling he raitings opta ratings, and you said they were the only objective ratings.

you are a prolific liar.....
no one has ever said whoscored ratings were OPTA ratings. all i said was whoscored use opta stats to determine their ratings. after a while, i saw that their algorithm have few flaws cos they use per game instead of per minute.

2. Berbatov has a sexy first touch which enters for him on a try your luck basis. Berbatov first touch is not different from Ahmed Musa dribbles. If you collected Musa successful dribbles you would buy him for £300m, but if you have a collection of his unsuccessful dribbles, you would take his football license. Same applies to Berba unsuccessful first touches. They are as awful as village 80 yrs old playing football, sometimes he allows the ball to bounce before he even traps it.

and yet the entire football world recognises berbatov as the god of first touch while rooney can't get out of his poverty of the first touch. anywhere you turn on the blogosphere - berbatov is highly regarded for his flair & his exquisite first touch. there's no single link on the internet that has praised rooney's first touch ever.

3. Cleverley has a better 1st touch than Berbatov.

troll alert!

4. On set piece. Excuse excuse. Who would give set play to wayward legs of Berbatov?

berbatov scored freekicks for spurs in buckets and he has 100% penalty conversion in the league. the only penalty berba has ever missed was that one against everton & that was a domestic cup competition.

5. If Mata's pass is first touch, then Rooney's goals from first time are first touch. Since Rooney has the best goal in EPL history, then he has the best touch moments in EPL hisory.

mata's pass isn't first touch - it's a cushioned pass. he didn't control the ball to retain for himself.....learn the difference between touching to retain the ball or touching to give the pass to a team mate.

coogar:


you are a prolific liar.....
no one has ever said whoscored ratings were OPTA ratings. all i said was whoscored use opta stats to determine their ratings. after a while, i saw that their algorithm have few flaws cos they use per game instead of per minute.



and yet the entire football world recognises berbatov as the god of first touch while rooney can't get out of his poverty of the first touch. anywhere you turn on the blogosphere - berbatov is highly regarded for his flair & his exquisite first touch. there's no single link on the internet that has praised rooney's first touch ever.



troll alert!



berbatov scored freekicks for spurs in buckets and he has 100% penalty conversion in the league. the only penalty berba has ever missed was that only one against everton & that was a domestic cup competition.



mata's pass isn't first touch - it's a cushioned pass. he didn't control the ball to retain for himself.....learn the difference between touching to retain the ball or touching to give the pass to a team mate.

All these are only good for the gutters. Stories, theories and junks.

Berbatov miscues his touches than Ahmed Musa misses goals for Super Eagles.. When one mistakes enters his leg it becomes a highlight. Stats says Berba is miscontrols his touches too often. Stats are facts.

elampiro:

All these are only good for the gutters. Stories, theories and junks.

Berbatov miscues his touches than Ahmed Musa misses goals for Super Eagles.. When one mistakes enters his leg it becomes a highlight. Stats says Berba is miscontrols his touches too often. Stats are facts.

only a stüpid human being would mistake dispossession stats with first touch. there has never been a time rooney is regarded better than berbatov in ball retention........besides, a player can lose possession of the ball even before he touches the ball.

see how your stupïdity has been exposed.

Rooney's first time bicycle kick was voted and awarded EPL best goal ever. An overhead kick so well directed.

That's the best first time effort. Not any yeye cushion passes.








When Berbatov and co score a similar goal- three of great goals from Rooney, we can begin to talk. One against Newcastle from outside the box.

coogar:


only a stüpid human being would mistake dispossession stats with first touch. there has never been a time rooney is regarded better than berbatov in ball retention........besides, a player can lose possession of the ball even before he touches the ball.

see how your stupïdity has been exposed.

Good for the gutters theories.

Unsuccessful touch has nothing to do with dispossession. If you miscontrol a pass to you at your first attempt, it's an unsuccessful touch. It's forms part of the figures I have published that Rooney disgraced Berbatov.

elampiro e don do o....

elampiro:


1. Statistics say Rooney has the best first touch among the three of them. Unsuccessful touch counts all miscontrol from all touches.

2. Berbatov has sexy touches which most often let him down. Just like Musa has great dribbles which often let him down.

3. Do you have statistics of subsequent touches from first touch? Subsequent touches lead to dispossession and unsuccessful dribbles. First touch leads basically to unsuccessful and Rooney won.




We talk facts and stats, not abstract or collection of successful gifs. Are you educated now?

Is this the same Elampawa that swears on this thread that stats cannot change what he sees with his two nakedd eyes.

you really need to calm down elamps.

elampiro:

Good for the gutters theories.

Unsuccessful touch has nothing to do with dispossession. If you miscontrol a pass to you at your first attempt, it's an unsuccessful touch. It's forms part of the figures I have published that Rooney disgraced Berbatov.

use your head na.....
de gea catches a deep cross and quickly rolls the ball ahead of rafael. before rafael touches the ball, a defender intercepts and wins the ball. did rafael miscontrol the ball? no. did he touch the ball? no. was he dispossessed? yes.

elampiro - the more you argue, the more i would keep exposing your poor footie punditry. being dispossessed is different from not having an excellent first touch.

this is another example of berba's exquisite first touch.



look at rooney the hyena benefitting from another man's sweat.

parrotibaba:
abeg u ppl should stop dis rubbish argument!! this started from "Wayne Rooney has d worst first touch in d whole of Manchester" to "Berbatov is better/not better Dan Rooney in d first touch dept" ,soon it will become "David de gea is a better dribbler Dan Rooney" ...enough is enough!!! ...stop filling our screens with crap!!! You open a page with only four posts covering d whole page ,nawa ooh!!


@Coogar n Elampiro we hv heard d both of u n dats enough!!! ,now quit behaving like two Nollywood movie village mums fighting over firewood!!!!

Hian! Elampiro,you no dey tire ni?


Elampiro is a one-man army.


This is an unending argument between Elampiro(and maybe Leggo) on one side,and Coogar,DopeJemi,Odunharry,RuuDie,Codedguy1 and co. on the other side. Who go win?


It will be interesting to see which of the two side have the last laugh.

coogar:


use your head na.....
de gea catches a deep cross and quickly rolls the ball ahead of rafael. before rafael touches the ball, a defender intercepts and wins the ball. did rafael miscontrol the ball? no. did he touch the ball? no. was he dispossessed? yes.

elampiro - the more you argue, the more i would keep exposing your poor footie punditry. being dispossessed is different from not having an excellent first touch.

this is another example of berba's exquisite first touch.



look at rooney the hyena benefitting from another man's sweat.

This is another thing all together. If Rafael couldn't get to the pass, will it be recorded as a completed pass for DDG? This is way too off for the issue we have been discussing.

Any way I get you. You Berbatov has a first touch of a virgin but a second touch of a rapist.

elampiro go win woman 4 argument i swear..

elampiro:

This is another thing all together. If Rafael couldn't get to the pass, will it be recorded as a completed pass for DDG? This is way too off for the issue we have been discussing.

the ball is rolled into rafael's path - it was rafael's ball even before rafael took a touch. rafael looked up dwelling on whom to pass the ball to & a marker sneaked behind him to steal the ball from him. how would your dodgy stats record that?

look at the berba gif up there.
berba's first touch broght the ball down majestically. if in the process of trying to beat his markers, would your stats not say he was dispossessed? would it say anything about the heavenly first touch?

can you now see your folly in HD?

Any way I get you. You Berbatov has a first touch of a virgin but a second touch of a rapist.

berbatov's toüches are out of this world - 2 million rooneys put together don't have 1% of berba's tekkers. this was how he destroyed players like rooney as far back as 2009.

berbagod:
"I want people to remember me as a very good and skilful player. I don't want to be remembered as a top scorer, I've played with strikers with 100 goals, who can't control the ball, It seems like a three-metre pass when they're trying to control the ball with their feet."

rooney is finished!

coogar:


the ball is rolled into rafael's path - it was rafael's ball even before rafael took a touch. rafael looked up dwelling on whom to pass the ball to & a marker sneaked behind him to steal the ball from him. how would your dodgy stats record that?

Dodgy stat? Is that Coogar?

coogar:

look at the berba gif up there.
berba's first touch broght the ball down majestically. if in the process of trying to beat his markers, would your stats not say he was dispossessed? would it say anything about the heavenly first touch?

can you now see your folly in HD?

His first touch is a successful first touch.

Losing possession in trying to beat a marker is recorded separately as dispossessed.

coogar:




berbatov's toüches are out of this world - 2 million rooneys put together don't have 1% of berba's tekkers. this was how he destroyed players like rooney as far back as 2009.

That is not up to Rooney's goals from outside the box after beautiful controls.

coogar:


berbagod:
"I want people to remember me as a very good and skilful player. I don't want to be remembered as a top scorer, I've played with strikers with 100 goals, who can't control the ball, It seems like a three-metre pass when they're trying to control the ball with their feet."

rooney is finished!

Words of a failure.

More like a student in his final year with CGPA of 1.7 saying "I don't want to be remembered for academic excellence or second class upper, but my beautiful oratory skills with which I entertained my course mates during break periods, and the good jokes I gave during parties".









Ukwu!!!

elampiro:

Dodgy stat? Is that Coogar?

your stats are dodgy in that you are fitting into a wrong theory. first touch & dispossession are 2 different things.

His first touch is a successful first touch.

Losing possession in trying to beat a marker is recorded separately as dispossessed.

so you now agree first touch has nothing to do with dispossession?

That is not up to Rooney's goals from outside the box after beautiful controls.

rooney doesn't have the ability to bring the ball down when surrounded by 2 markers. berba brought it down, beat his markers, looked up to find rooney & he played a precise pass to him. when rooney was in a similar position against pool, his cross was useless - thank feck mata was on point to square to RVP.

Words of a failure.

More like a student in his final year with CGPA of 1.7 saying "I don't want to be remembered for academic excellence or second class upper, but my beautiful oratory skills with which I entertained my course mates during break periods, and the good jokes I gave during parties".

Ukwu!!!

whereas this same berba.....

•won a golden boot
•scored more international goals than rooney
•scored 5 league goals in a match(no pen)

something rooney will never achieve till he retires his fat arsê. wazza is useless - the whole world knows, that's why half of english fans wanted him out of the starting XI in brazil.

coogar:


your stats are dodgy in that you are fitting into a wrong theory. first touch & dispossession are 2 different things.

Who has argued that they are same?

I think you can't differentiate between unsuccessful touch stats and dispossession stats.

coogar:


so you now agree first touch has nothing to do with dispossession?

First touch has something to do with unsuccessful touch.

coogar:



rooney doesn't have the ability to bring the ball down when surrounded by 2 markers. berba brought it down, beat his markers, looked up to find rooney & he played a precise pass to him. when rooney was in a similar position against pool, his cross was useless - thank feck mata was on point to square to RVP.

.

Just in 2012/13, Rooney scored a great goal from outside the box when he controlled an aerial ball amidst crowded defenders at the edge of the box.

He also has a first time one two aerial pass with Paul Scholes in a UCL away fixture of 2008 I think. Just to mention only these.

coogar:


whereas this same berba.....

•won a golden boot
•scored more international goals than rooney
•scored 5 league goals in a match(no pen)

Golden boot is nothing. A Man United sole striker should win golden boot. Towards the end f that season, United forward were over generous to help him win he golden boot by choosing to pass to Berba instead of them scoring. Yet Berba was wasteful and allowed Tevez to overtake him. If not for the empathy of FA to award extra goal to him, he wouldn't even win.

He is a failure and he talks like one.

coogar:


something rooney will never achieve till he retires his fat arsê. wazza is useless - the whole world knows, that's why half of english fans wanted him out of the starting XI in brazil.

Rooney is England captain and Man United captain. He has made the FIFA best striker. A UCL winner, 5 EPL winner. World club cup winner. World club cup golden ball and boot winner. UCL highest assist. EPL player of the year. £300,00 striker.


Who is Berbatov?

Finally Man Utd is going places...

Valdes's honours at Barcelona

La Liga: 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013.

Copa del Rey: 2009, 2012.

Champions League: 2006, 2009, 2011.

World Club Cup: 2009, 2011.

Please give me any player in EPL alone that can boast as much as these honours...

Oh Well!

leggo:
So elampiro asked a question - if Mata's pass to Rooney is a first touch, why then is Rooney's goal against City not? You all conveniently scraped over that. Elampiro you have won this round.

For me, the difference is you don't put your foot through the ball when it is a 'touch' (first touch or flick). As the ball is coming, you sort of just position your foot so that the ball meets at an elevation and angle suitable for your intentions. Depending on your application, the ball strikes the leg and either stops dead or moves a short further away from you. When not done properly, you may find you have to stretch or run to retain the ball.
What Mata did, was to cushion, support or bring that ball 'under control' into the path of Rooney - altering its speed, trajectory etc. he did not swipe at the ball but rather let the ball run to and strike his foot.

You constantly hear the British commentators using the term "Tee"; as in for example, "Odunharry teed it up nicely for Leggo..." - it is originally a golf term. Look up what it means.

coded01:
Finally Man Utd is going places...

Valdes's honours at Barcelona

La Liga: 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013.

Copa del Rey: 2009, 2012.

Champions League: 2006, 2009, 2011.

World Club Cup: 2009, 2011.

Please give me any player in EPL alone that can boast as much as these honours...

Oh Well!

Samuel Etoo

JayKayMaybachz:




Jeeeez, you ghuys should give up already..... This argument have been going on for 3 days now, damn..... Una pass gals jare

lolz...

RuuDie:


For me, the difference is you don't put your foot through the ball when it is a 'touch' (first touch or flick). As the ball is coming, you sort of just position your foot so that the ball meets at an elevation and angle suitable for your intentions. Depending on your application, the ball strikes the leg and either stops dead or moves a short further away from you. When not done properly, you may find you have to stretch or run to retain the ball.
What Mata did, was to cushion, support or bring that ball 'under control' into the path of Rooney - altering its speed, trajectory etc. he did not swipe at the ball but rather let the ball run to and strike his foot.

You constantly hear the British commentators using the term "Tee"; as in for example, "Odunharry teed it up nicely for Leggo..." - it is originally a golf term. Look up what it means.

And you don't see Rooney and CR7 do this often? And you believe you know about this more than Rooney or CR7? Go watch clips, you will see Rooney even setting up Assists with such passes.

A certain goal he scored from the edge of the box was a first time foot-stop of a cross and the next was a volley into the net from edge of the box, in a crowded zone.

If you have played football as you appear to sound, you can comfortably do that which Mata did. Wetin dey to jab ball for ground for your team mate. We used to call it 'jab'. 'Jab it down for me'

We know Mata has ball control. But when Mata made a split pass to Rooney, they said if it were Rooney he wouldn't be able to make such a pass, even though Rooney has done it countless times. Even last match he gave a better pass to Maria. Yet they brought a blurred gif that it was too close to the defender. Haba! Wetin we see for TV? Even at that did the defender touch it. Last season he sent Valencia free to score a beauty against Leverkusen, also twice for Welbeck. May be we have forgotten Rooney is the only player keep finding RVP in the box from midfield. He has a chemistry with Di Maria. Are we going to kill other players for not often finding RVP or not combining well with Di Maria?

You guys over hype some players skills. The way you guys started the Berbaov argument, it was like he couldn't give away one possession in 10 matches, he couldn't have an unsuccessful first time touch in a 10 matches. And I knew I always complained how much Berba missed some touches and even sometimes allow the ball to bounce before taking it. I knew he was often dispossessed. How he slowed our attack.

My guy, football is a team work. Van Gaal explained why he sent Mata and Di Maria into that midfield, and they helped changed the game. There have been days Mata and RVP did not play well and Rooney shined to lift the team. I did not come here to 'curse' them because they still played a part.

na short people dey argue like this. jeez

Odunharry:

lolz...

I dhey teh you

Please for fvck's sake @coogar Rooney is not useless ,stop hating
@elampiro we all know dat berbatov is better Dan Rooney in d first touch ball control dept(d goal against Everton in 2010/2011 season comes to mind amongst odas) but he is perhaps d laziest striker to play for united n u can't compare d two of dem in anything at all so stop dis argument!!! u guys r giving many guys here eye problems


TRUE FACT;
Rooney has a great first touch but Berbatov ,Mata ,Young ,etc have better first touches Dan him


Case closed!!!! Court!!!!

stanech:
na short people dey argue like this. jeez

Lol.

I am 6.1 in feet.

^^^

All these una arguments dey make this thread tire me sometimes. Una no dey tire ? Elampiro most especially. This guy can argue say shyt no dey pass through the anus

igbsam:
All these una arguments dey make this thread tire me sometimes. Una no dey tire ? Elampiro most especially. This guy can argue say shyt no dey pass through the anus

Dispute any facts I have presented or shut up.

Why picking on me, am I the person with most posts here?


Rooney played midfield and his creativity is compared to Mata who played as AM, you expect me to shut up. A midfielder is to destroy opposition build up play and pass the ball. Rooney did that well.

@ elampiro.

If you like download the holy bible into a post... you are only making yourself look sillier every passing post!

I don't need any stats to tell me that Rooney has the higher propensity to mis-control a football than Mata... if you are as smart as you claim, you will realise that I have not said that Rooney cannot control a ball!

I don't need any stats to tell me that Rooney has the higher propensity to pass the ball to the wing rather thread 'an eye of a needle' pass - Mata is more likely to do it than him... if you are as smart as you claim, you will realise that I have not said that Rooney cannot attempt to or successfully make such a pass!

If you have more epistles to write, carry on... me na 'Berbatov + Riquelme' combined ontop this thread. If you are as smart as you claim, you will catch my drift!

elampiro:

Who has argued that they are same?

I think you can't differentiate between unsuccessful touch stats and dispossession stats.

there must be a bag of dust in your brains. this argument started with you arguing rooney has a better first touch than berbatov. you claimed unsuccessful touch is the same as first touch - and you went to whoscored to bring up stats that unsuccessful touch/dispossession stats = first touch.

why are you changing your tune all of a sudden?

First touch has something to do with unsuccessful touch.

it has nothing to do with it.
the first touch might be excellent & the subsequent touches might be poor - it depends on the situation. stop lumping 2 parameters together. if you don't understand statistics & english, go back to primary school.

Just in 2012/13, Rooney scored a great goal from outside the box when he controlled an aerial ball amidst crowded defenders at the edge of the box.

which great goal is that? mention the goal - stop throwing up blanket statements.

He also has a first time one two aerial pass with Paul Scholes in a UCL away fixture of 2008 I think. Just to mention only these.

be specific about the games. stop lying and hiding under blanket statements. in which games has rooney controlled aerial ball? the best chance against spurs was missed by rooney. his first touch sent the ball backwards.

Golden boot is nothing. A Man United sole striker should win golden boot. Towards the end f that season, United forward were over generous to help him win he golden boot by choosing to pass to Berba instead of them scoring. Yet Berba was wasteful and allowed Tevez to overtake him. If not for the empathy of FA to award extra goal to him, he wouldn't even win.

golden boot is nothing and rooney cannot win it? all the best strikers in the world have won it but wayne rooney is too idiotïc & useless to win it. golden boot is an individual achievement for strikers - it's a disgrace that rooney has spent 11 seasons at old trafford and he's never won it.

rooney was a lone striker in many seasons and he failed to win it. in 10/11 season, berbatov started getting benched by SAF. he took no penalties & he would have scored more league goals if he had started towards the end of that season.

tevez took 5 penalties for city. berbatov took no penalties for man utd. berbatov was the better striker that season and he was EA sports best player in the league that season.

stop lying, elampawa.

He is a failure and he talks like one.

he spent 4 seasons at man utd and won the golden boot. rooney spent 11 seasons and he's never topped scorer's charts in england. they claim rooney played in the hole most times - but then rooney has never topped the assist charts as well.....in 11 seasons?

the only failure i can see here is rooney.

Rooney is England captain and Man United captain. He has made the FIFA best striker. A UCL winner, 5 EPL winner. World club cup winner. World club cup golden ball and boot winner. UCL highest assist. EPL player of the year. £300,00 striker.

rooney is wack!
11 seasons without a golden boot nor topping the assist chart in the premier league is an effing disgrace.

Who is Berbatov?

in his prime, he was the best forward in europe. rooney is a jack of all trade, master of none.