lol....

Abeg mak we talk about our match against southampton

coogar:


there must be a bag of dust in your brains. this argument started with you arguing rooney has a better first touch than berbatov. you claimed unsuccessful touch is the same as first touch - and you went to whoscored to bring up stats that unsuccessful touch/dispossession stats = first touch.

why are you changing your tune all of a sudden?




it has nothing to do with it.
the first touch might be excellent & the subsequent touches might be poor - it depends on the situation. stop lumping 2 parameters together. if you don't understand statistics & english, go back to primary school.



which great goal is that? mention the goal - stop throwing up blanket statements.



be specific about the games. stop lying and hiding under blanket statements. in which games has rooney controlled aerial ball? the best chance against spurs was missed by rooney. his first touch sent the ball backwards.



golden boot is nothing and rooney cannot win it? all the best strikers in the world have won it but wayne rooney is too idiotïc & useless to win it. golden boot is an individual achievement for strikers - it's a disgrace that rooney has spent 11 seasons at old trafford and he's never won it.

rooney was a lone striker in many seasons and he failed to win it. in 10/11 season, berbatov started getting benched by SAF. he took no penalties & he would have scored more league goals if he had started towards the end of that season.

tevez took 5 penalties for city. berbatov took no penalties for man utd. berbatov was the better striker that season and he was EA sports best player in the league that season.

stop lying, elampawa.



he spent 4 seasons at man utd and won the golden boot. rooney spent 11 seasons and he's never topped scorer's charts in england. they claim rooney played in the hole most times - but then rooney has never topped the assist charts as well.....in 11 seasons?

the only failure i can see here is rooney.



rooney is wack!
11 seasons without a golden boot nor topping the assist chart in the premier league is an effing disgrace.




in his prime, he was the best forward in europe. rooney is a jack of all trade, master of none.

Lies upon lies. When you lost you resort to lies and insults. Where did I say unsuccessful touch is the same as first ouch? Did you learn English comprehension in school?

Opta's Event Definitions

Touches

A sum of all events where a player touches the ball, so excludes things like Aerial challenge lost or Challenge lost



Touch/Unsuccessful touch

When the ball bounces off a player and there is no intentional pass, we award a touch. Where there is a mis-control we award an Unsuccessful touch.

........



Above was what I published. Coogar you lack education.

RuuDie:
@ elampiro.

If you like download the holy bible into a post... you are only making yourself look sillier every passing post!

I don't need any stats to tell me that Rooney has the higher propensity to mis-control a football than Mata... if you are as smart as you claim, you will realise that I have not said that Rooney cannot control a ball!

I don't need any stats to tell me that Rooney has the higher propensity to pass the ball to the wing rather thread 'an eye of a needle' pass - Mata is more likely to do it than him... if you are as smart as you claim, you will realise that I have not said that Rooney cannot attempt to or successfully make such a pass!

If you have more epistles to write, carry on... me na 'Berbatov + Riquelme' combined ontop this thread. If you are as smart as you claim, you will catch my drift!

I won't return your insult. However, stats are facts.

Everyone here knows Rooney has set RVP one vs one with the goalkeeper than anyone else. If RVP were clinical this season, Rooney would have 10 assist already.

As for the square passes, I don't have the stats. If stats say otherwise than what you claimed, then you are wrong. Herrera is the one play directly in our team. Since last season, Kagawa and Mata tend to play to the wing too as we observed.




But wait, how many assists does Mata have this season? He has played the number 10 for us. Rooney even have more assists.

coogar:


there must be a bag of dust in your brains. this argument started with you arguing rooney has a better first touch than berbatov. you claimed unsuccessful touch is the same as first touch - and you went to whoscored to bring up stats that unsuccessful touch/dispossession stats = first touch.

why are you changing your tune all of a sudden?




it has nothing to do with it.
the first touch might be excellent & the subsequent touches might be poor - it depends on the situation. stop lumping 2 parameters together. if you don't understand statistics & english, go back to primary school.



which great goal is that? mention the goal - stop throwing up blanket statements.



be specific about the games. stop lying and hiding under blanket statements. in which games has rooney controlled aerial ball? the best chance against spurs was missed by rooney. his first touch sent the ball backwards.



golden boot is nothing and rooney cannot win it? all the best strikers in the world have won it but wayne rooney is too idiotïc & useless to win it. golden boot is an individual achievement for strikers - it's a disgrace that rooney has spent 11 seasons at old trafford and he's never won it.

rooney was a lone striker in many seasons and he failed to win it. in 10/11 season, berbatov started getting benched by SAF. he took no penalties & he would have scored more league goals if he had started towards the end of that season.

tevez took 5 penalties for city. berbatov took no penalties for man utd. berbatov was the better striker that season and he was EA sports best player in the league that season.

stop lying, elampawa.



he spent 4 seasons at man utd and won the golden boot. rooney spent 11 seasons and he's never topped scorer's charts in england. they claim rooney played in the hole most times - but then rooney has never topped the assist charts as well.....in 11 seasons?

the only failure i can see here is rooney.



rooney is wack!
11 seasons without a golden boot nor topping the assist chart in the premier league is an effing disgrace.




in his prime, he was the best forward in europe. rooney is a jack of all trade, master of none.

Berbatov? Looool. When abeg?

Who can help to interpret in Yoruba and Ibo?

elampiro:
Opta's Event Definitions
Touches

A sum of all events where a player touches the ball, so excludes things like Aerial challenge lost or Challenge lost


Touch/Unsuccessful touch

When the ball bounces off a player and there is no intentional pass, we award a touch. Where there is a mis-control we award an Unsuccessful touch.

........
Above was what I published. Coogar you lack education.

what has this gotta do with the first touch? you are the one who lacks education. let's assume a player makes 2 touches with the ball. excellent first touch & a poor second touch that puts the ball out of play, would this stat record the first touch?

you keep disgracing the people of edo state with your poor use of english language.

elampiro:
As for the square passes, I don't have the stats. If stats say otherwise than what you claimed, then you are wrong. Herrera is the one play directly in our team. Since last season, Kagawa and Mata tend to play to the wing too as we observed.

rooney is worthless.....
he's only in the team cos he's english - even SAF said rooney is a slow learner, a typical idïot.

he makes the most backward passes and he doesn't make enough forward passes. it means with rooney in the team, we suffer a lot in attacking play.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2007436_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

the difference is clear.
rooney - jack of all trade, master of none.

coogar:


what has this gotta do with the first touch? you are the one who lacks education. let's assume a player makes 2 touches with the ball. excellent first touch & a poor second touch that puts the ball out of play, would this stat record the first touch?

you keep disgracing the people of edo state with your poor use of english language.

It is shocking you have not grabbed my lectures over four pages now.

The stat will record the two touches:
First touch controlled second micontrolled . 2 touch, 1 unsuccessful touch for the player.
First touch micontrolled: 1 touch, 1 unsuccessful touch for the player.
First touch miscontrolled and second controlled. 2 touches, one unsuccessful touch.

So at the end you will have number of touches vs number of unsuccessful touches to determine overall control of a player.

Note: Every touch of the ball (excluding missed duels), even from kick off is a touch.

elampiro:

It is shocking you have not grabbed my lectures over four pages now.

The stat will record the two touches:
First touch controlled second micontrolled . 2 touch, 1 unsuccessful touch for the player.
First touch micontrolled: 1 touch, 1 unsuccessful touch for the player.
First touch miscontrolled and second controlled. 2 touches, one unsuccessful touch.

So at the end you will have number of touches vs number of unsuccessful touches to determine overall control of a player.

Note: Every touch of the ball (excluding missed duels), even from kick off is a touch.

but this doesn't explicitly state which of the successful touches is the first touch. we are particular about the first touch. i will even go further and say it's not all the first touches that are difficult. we are specific about the first touch where a ball is received from a huge height or at a very high pace.

your stats cannot determine which of the passes is coming at a height, or at pace or if it's the first. how can you then present it an argument that says rooney has a poor first touch? use your brain for once and stop trolling.

coogar:


rooney is worthless.....
he's only in the team cos he's english - even SAF said rooney is a slow learner, a typical idïot.

he makes the most backward passes and he doesn't make enough forward passes. it means with rooney in the team, we suffer a lot in attacking play.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2007436_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

the difference is clear.
rooney - jack of all trade, master of none.

Hahahahaha, Mata's control and forward play is overhyped. He is almost at par with Rooney in backward passes and forward passes. Rooney has more goals from deeper position.







My day is made again. See you at night. Ayagayagayago

coogar:


but this doesn't explicitly state which of the successful touches is the first touch. we are particular about the first touch. i will even go further and say it's not all the first touches that are difficult. we are specific about the first touch where a ball is received from a huge height or at a very high pace.

your stats cannot determine which of the passes is coming at a height, or at pace or if it's the first. how can you then present it an argument that says rooney has a poor first touch? use your brain for once and stop trolling.

Does Berbatov receive more of those pacing high flight balls than others? Although well said by you.

Bye!

elampiro:

Does Berbatov receive more of those pacing high flight balls than others? Although well said by you.

Bye!

yes he does.....
he used it to a devastating effect throughout his stay at old trafford. he holds up the play, wait for valencia or nani to run ahead and then lays the ball to them. valencia became the league's best winger in 09/10 because of berbatov. about 90% of valencia's assists that season were fed by berbatov.

elampiro:

Hahahahaha, Mata's control and forward play is overhyped. He is almost at par with Rooney in backward passes and forward passes. Rooney has more goals from deeper position.
My day is made again. See you at night. Ayagayagayago

he's not at any par!
the difference is clear - the stats pro-rated per 90 mins so it's wider than you think. rooney is our poorest player in the midfield this season. even fellaini makes more forward passes - what a shame!!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2007506_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

in spite of rooney taking our set plays mostly, herrera has made more key passes than rooney. if rooney were to stop taking set plays, he would be worse than carrick. why does rooney even start for united when statistics show fellaini has been better than him this season?

@coogar since berbatov started playing football, he was never d best striker in Europe n I mean NEVER!! his best season was d 2010/2011 season which he scored 21 league goals n none in d UCL ,he has reached dat number of goals ever,b4 or after he joined united ...


Wayne Rooney(dat u call useless) is d first pl striker to score more Dan 10 goals in 9 consecutive seasons ,In 2009/2010 he banged in 29 league goals(as a useless player) ,two less dan d eventual golden boot winner, Didier Drogba ...he is currently United's 3rd all time highest goal scorer with 219 goals(for a useless player) ,in England, he is widely regarded as dia best player(according to Wikipedia) with 46 goals making him d 3rd highest goal scorer for England (as a useless player) ...He has won d EPL player of d month 5 times,a record he shares with Steven Gerard... in 2011 ,he was fifth in d voting of d FIFA ballon d'or(as a useless player) n he was named in d FIfpro world 11 in d same year...he was d youngest player to ever score a hat trick in d UCL ...No matter how much u hate him,he is currently one of d best players in d world; give up to Wazza ,d white Pele who has continually saved united's a$$ since 2004 ...case closed!!

coogar:


yes he does.....
he used it to a devastating effect throughout his stay at old trafford. he holds up the play, wait for valencia or nani to run ahead and then lays the ball to them. valencia became the league's best winger in 09/10 because of berbatov. about 90% of valencia's assists that season were fed by berbatov.




he's not at any par!
the difference is clear - the stats pro-rated per 90 mins so it's wider than you think. rooney is our poorest player in the midfield this season. even fellaini makes more forward passes - what a shame!!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2007506_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

in spite of rooney taking our set plays mostly, herrera has made more key passes than rooney. if rooney were to stop taking set plays, he would be worse than carrick. why does rooney even start for united when statistics show fellaini has been better than him this season?

I wanted to ignore until I saw you brought fresh things.

* Has Rooney played 1395 minutes in midfield? Did you expect Rooney to make forward passes as a number 9?

* Can't you see Mata is under performing? From the number 10 he has 1 key pass per match as Rooney. So Mata can't even make two passes per match?

* can we have the goals and assist stats?

* Can we have CCC created?


Forget that nonsense about set plays. Rooney's assists are mostly from open play.


On Berbatov having more long balls. You can't be serious. Which formation did we play in 2009/10?

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elampiro:
Who can help to interpret in Yoruba and Ibo?

.i gona interpret igbo for u

elampiro:

I wanted to ignore until I saw you brought fresh things.

* Has Rooney played 1395 minutes in midfield? Did you expect Rooney to make forward passes as a number 9?

how many times has rooney played in the midfield? why are many of his passes backwards? i can bring out all rooney's passes when he's played in the midfield & you will find out more than half of his passes still go backwards.

* Can't you see Mata is under performing? From the number 10 he has 1 key pass per match as Rooney. So Mata can't even make two passes per match?

rooney is the biggest underperformer.
mata & herrera have made more key passes per 90 mins than rooney. so whether rooney is in advanced position or deep-lying position, there's no excuse for his poor rate.

* can we have the goals and assist stats?
* Can we have CCC created?
Forget that nonsense about set plays. Rooney's assists are mostly from open play.

even if we agree that rooney's deep-lying position lately might have hampered his number of key passes, why does herrera make more key passes than rooney?

rooney's key passes are boosted by setplays. every time a shot is taken from rooney's corners or crossed freekicks, he gets an awoof
key pass. yet, herrera has been better than him.

why is rooney such a useless player to united?

coogar:


how many times has rooney played in the midfield? why are many of his passes backwards? i can bring out all rooney's passes when he's played in the midfield & you will find out more than half of his passes still go backwards.



rooney is the biggest underperformer.
mata & herrera have made more key passes per 90 mins than rooney. so whether rooney is in advanced position or deep-lying position, there's no excuse for his poor rate.




even if we agree that rooney's deep-lying position lately might have hampered his number of key passes, why does herrera make more key passes than rooney?

rooney's key passes are boosted by setplays. every time a shot is taken from rooney's corners or crossed freekicks, he gets an awoof
key pass. yet, herrera has been better than him.

why is rooney such a useless player to united?

* Everything you said revolves round key pass. Goals, Assists, nko?

* Do you realized that Mata, Herrera and Rooney all have >1<2 key passes per 90 minutes?

* Rooney has played CM 7 times, AM number 10 position 2 or 3 times, striker 5 times.

* I will like to know, what formation did we play in 2009/10.who made more passes between Rooney and Berbatov? I reviewed 2011/12 season recently, Rooney was the one passing to Nani, Giggs and Young and off he ran into the box for the kill.



Rooney is a legend for Man United. Who is Berbatov? Bobby Chalton has named Rooney Man United legend designate and urged him to break his goals haul.

coogar:


why is rooney such a useless player to united?

Rooney >>> RVP, Mata in goals and assists from a deeper role.

What do you have to say? Huh!

elampiro:

* Everything you said revolves round key pass. Goals, Assists, nko?

assist is a useless stat. it doesn't give the passer any credit if a goal isn't scored. rooney got no assist for setting di maria free against arsënal at the emirates. the pass was perfect but di maria screwed up - so why should we even be discussing assist when it depends on what another player does with the ball?

you are an amateur!!

* Do you realized that Mata, Herrera and Rooney all have >1<2 key passes than 90 minutes?

rooney is the lowest - don't lump them together in your senseless inequality. rooney is the worst amongst the three.

* Rooney has played CM 7 times, AM number 10 position 2 or 3 times, striker 5 times.

in which of these positions is a striker prevented from making a key pass? how can herrera be making more key passes than rooney? can't you see rooney is useless?

* I will like to know, what formation did we play in 2009/10.who made more passes between Rooney and Berbatov? I reviewed 2011/12 season recently, Rooney was the one passing to Nani, Giggs and Young and off he ran into the box for the kill.

berbatov was a deep-lying forward. he received passes with his back to the goal & then hold it up to the wingers fly past him. he lays a pass to the wing and valencia crosses the ball for rooney to score.

our route to most of our goals that season was berbatov-valencia-rooney.

Rooney is a legend for Man United. Who is Berbatov? Bobby Chalton has named Rooney Man United legend designate and urged him to break his goals haul.

which legend?
rooney that was booed by the fans when he received his last premier league medal in 2013. legends don't get booed - rooney is mostly seen as a liability to the club.

elampiro:

Rooney >>> RVP, Mata in goals and assists from a deeper role.

What do you have to say? Huh!

rooney is shyte....
with the number of setplays & the comfortable position he has been deployed to play, he should be doing way better than he's doing.

coogar:


assist is a useless stat. it doesn't give the passer any credit if a goal isn't scored. rooney got no assist for setting di maria free against arsënal at the emirates. the pass was perfect but di maria screwed up - so why should we even be discussing assist when it depends on what another player does with the ball?

you are an amateur!!



rooney is the lowest - don't lump them together in your senseless inequality. rooney is the worst amongst the three.



in which of these positions is a striker prevented from making a key pass? how can herrera be making more key passes than rooney? can't you see rooney is useless?



berbatov was a deep-lying forward. he received passes with his back to the goal & then hold it up to the wingers fly past him. he lays a pass to the wing and valencia crosses the ball for rooney to score.

our route to most of our goals that season was berbatov-valencia-rooney.




which legend?
rooney that was booed by the fans when he received his last premier league medal in 2013. legends don't get booed - rooney is mostly seen as a liability to the club.

1. Assist is now a useless stat. Ayagayagayagayo hei

If assist is useless, key pass is worthless. Someone got a key pass for Herrera's wayward attempt from 35 yards the other time.

* How can Rooney be lowest when you have Fellaini and Carrick at <1? Mata is a disgrace to number 10s for having 1 key pass per match or 2 in three games. Shame!

* The position matters. Why is Carrick and Herrera lacking?

* I don't believe Berba was in deep lying forward in 2009/10. Where is the pass stat? I saw clips of 2011/12, Rooney was in deep supplying to wings.

* Booed abi? But made captain. He is a legend.



See you at night.

coogar:


rooney is shyte....
with the number of setplays & the comfortable position he has been deployed to play, he should be doing way better than he's doing.

Rooney's goals are from open play. Last season you said he scores from set plays.

If Rooney were the striker, he should have scored 20 goals now, considering the number of clear cut chances RVP and Falcao have squandered in the box.

elampiro:

1. Assist is now a useless stat. Ayagayagayagayo hei

very useless stat.
whether you get an assist depends whether your team mate scores. no matter how beautiful your pass is, your team mate has to score before you get an assist.

with the key pass, you get rewarded regardless of how atrocious your team mate shoots the ball. whether he shoots on target or not, you still get rewarded for your part in the move.

If assist is useless, key pass is worthless. Someone got a key pass for Herrera's wayward attempt from 35 yards the other time.

it was a forward pass - rooney wouldn't know about that as more than half of his passes are towards de gea.

* How can Rooney be lowest when you have Fellaini and Carrick at <1? Mata is a disgrace to number 10s for having 1 key pass per match or 2 in three games. Shame!

carrick was a defender in most of those games & at best a deep lying midfielder. herrera, mata and rooney have all played plenty of minutes in the advanced positions & rooney was the lowest amongst the trio.

* The position matters. Why is Carrick and Herrera lacking?

lacking what?
herrera has made more key passes than rooney & he has more passing accuracy than rooney. he makes more forward passes than rooney - why then is rooney posting poor numbers? what's the excuse?

* I don't believe Berba was in deep lying forward in 2009/10. Where is the pass stat? I saw clips of 2011/12, Rooney was in deep supplying to wings.

what you believe is irrelevant....
why should your belief harm a factual evidence that berba started most of the attacks by laying it to valencia?

the whole world discussed their trio when they were wrecking defences in 09/10. this is how we know the people that started supporting or watching united after kagawa arrived.

http://community.manutd.com/forums/t/96411.aspx

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/355609-manchester-uniteds-triple-threat-berba-valencia-rooney

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/berba-valencia-rooney.287375/

* Booed abi? But made captain. He is a legend.

in the absence of RVP, carrick, and evra's late transfer to turin, who else would the captain have been?

See you at night.

yeah - your torture continues in the night. i have been able to prove rooney is worthless this season. football fans criticised cleverley & mikel for backpasses and side passes - it's now clear rooney is the king of backward passes in the league.

*shake my dik*

elampiro e don do na?i tink say u say na till night u go come back?

elampiro:


Rooney's goals are from open play. Last season you said he scores from set plays.

If Rooney were the striker, he should have scored 20 goals now, considering the number of clear cut chances RVP and Falcao have squandered in the box.

aaron ramsey didn't need to play as a striker to score. rooney is a striker - he has the instincts of a striker - anywhere he plays, he should score. football is fluid. rooney was a CM when he got a brace against pardew. if his movement was restricted, how did he get into the box to score.

even in the seasons rooney played as a centre forward, he failed to win the golden boot. why do you think he would have scored 20 goals in 16 games?

When Coogar resort to fetching social comments from blog, know that his own his finished. Hohohoho

Bye Mr Coogar. Enjoy your new year.

Good news, Falcao personally put on his facebook wall he is happy at Manchester United.

elampiro:
When Coogar resort to fetching social comments from blog, know that his own his finished. Hohohoho

Bye Mr Coogar. Enjoy your new year.

Good news, Falcao personally put on his facebook wall he is happy at Manchester United.

social comments or a bleacher-report article? you are a disgrace to football punditry. when you get beaten, you quickly run away with the excuse you have something to do.

Have you guys considered using skype to continue your unending arguments?

wonlasewonimi:
Have you guys considered using skype to continue your unending arguments?

and how is it your business what we talk about on our own thread? if you don't have anything to contribute, there are millions of vagïnal-related threads you can comment on - that's the threshold of your intelligence.

any other idiöt that comes here to complain about my comments deserves to be shot! my discussion with elampiro does not stop any of you retärds from discussing fückever you want to discuss........and if you reply this post then you are a faggöt!