agaugust:


Show us where the same Reuters journalist revised SANDF casualties to 13 by his own account.

All I see are South Africans revising Seleka casualties to 1,000 via laptop and internet.

Show us the Reuters witness's revised report !
.

Been posted many times

agaugust:


SAAF Mirage was modified into Cheetah jet by ISRAEL not you !
.

[citation needed]

agaugust:


Cheetah jet is French made Mirage.

Alouette Helicopters form France.

European artillery, and any Impalas (Italy made) and naval boats you may have re-sold.

Also many smaller arms , go check on SIPRI

This guy doesnt know how we modify equipment

I suppose he thinks the Kfir, Cheeta and Mirage are all the same thing

agaugust:


No failed state seats on UN Security council seat, Nigeria seats there, and is top contender for permanent UN elite security council seat.

Failed states don't lead ECOWAS and AU military missions

Failed states don't host World Economic Forum meetings.

Failed states have NO defined political structure. Failed states don't hold fee and fair elections.

Nigeria is just state at war, Somalia is more like a failed state. Nigeria has a central government and it enforces law.

So United Kingdom was a failed state for 27 years because IRA rebels were waging religious war on British home soil? Fool

War experience comes by fighting, Nigeria has that experience that South Africa is craving for and not getting

@Patches has a FAILED BRAIN
.

Augustus

You cannot argue your way out of this

Professional researchers and acadics have found that nigeria is the 16th most failed state in the world

This is hard fact - indesputable.

DieVluit:
I'm

MEND is not Boko haram. As we speak, Henry Okah sits in a south African prison eating pap. We saved Jonathan alright. Jonathan CONFIRMED it himself.

Agents of the Nigerian Intelligence Agency working in South-Africa sent back intelligence data to Nigeria.

We know everything you do, we aren't at war with South-Africa, yet we have full access to your security architecture.

Intelligence provided by Nigeria was used to detain and prosecute okah. Not the other way around dummy.

[size=15pt]Remeber that FOB the Nigerian army got pushed out of?

Remeber how the Nigerians on this forum said it was not a big deal that they lost it? It was "just in empty desert"

Well - the loss of that FOB has allowed Boko Haram to perform one of the biggest acts of terrorism in history

16 towns destroyed - a city of 10 000 souls allmost completely lost
http://www.businessinsider.com/boko-harams-deadliest-terrorist-attack-2015-1

Where are the NAF attack helicopters? Where was the Rapid response teams? Not even fire support from the palmera!!

This is final and complete proof of the incompetance and uselessness of the nigerian military!![/size]

GEN Chris Olukolade
No portion of Nigeria’s territory has been or will be conceded to terrorists. Not Baga. Boots on Ground, Raids from the Skies #BagaTogether

Patchesagain:
[size=15pt]Remeber that FOB the Nigerian army got pushed out of?

Remeber how the Nigerians on this forum said it was not a big deal that they lost it? It was "just in empty desert"

Well - the loss of that FOB has allowed Boko Haram to perform one of the biggest acts of terrorism in history

16 towns destroyed - a city of 10 000 souls allmost completely lost
http://www.businessinsider.com/boko-harams-deadliest-terrorist-attack-2015-1

Where are the NAF attack helicopters? Where was the Rapid response teams? Not even fire support from the palmera!!

This is final and complete proof of the incompetance and uselessness of the nigerian military!![/size]

Screaming and shouting like a dog on the internet, doesn't prove your message is credible.

Patchesagain:


Augustus

You cannot argue your way out of this

Professional researchers and acadics have found that nigeria is the 16th most failed state in the world

This is hard fact - indesputable.

Actually, Augustine hit a home-run with every sentence he made.

Where do I place South-Africa with your 69 murders a day?

overhypedsteve:
I knew you would bring up this issue of English comprehension. Guess you must have studied English in Harvard. You re the first contributor here to complain about a reply not meant for you. Those words were written in nigerian pidgin. You should expect that cus you re in a nigerian forum. Try chatting in an Indian forum, Mr English comprehension.

Dude stop crying!! f'ck its just a forum, you dont have to take everything so seriously.

Henry120:


I can only see thoroughtec Australia. It is an Australian company with an office in S.A.

Can I also claim Shell, Mobil and Elf as been Nigerian, seeing they have offices here, or Streit group?

Then you are blind, their head office is in Durban.

"ThoroughTec’s headquarters and R& D and production facility are in Durban, South Africa, but the company has a global presence with offices in Perth and Brisbane, Australia; Santiago, Chile and Toronto, Canada."

https://za.linkedin.com/company/thoroughtec-simulation

"Simulation for the Future
With a military history spanning over 20 years, South African company is the de facto supplier of simulator systems to the South African National Defence Force,"

http://www.thoroughtec.com/

Henry120:


Agents of the Nigerian Intelligence Agency working in South-Africa sent back intelligence data to Nigeria.

We know everything you do, we aren't at war with South-Africa, yet we have full access to your security architecture.

Intelligence provided by Nigeria was used to detain and prosecute okah. Not the other way around dummy.

You're well known on this forum for sucking things out your thumb.

Name just one report that you EVER read that said "nigerian inteligence agents working in SA..."

There's no such. It's one your famous thumb sucks.

Henry Okah is in a south african prison today because South Africa did all the work. Did the work in the interests of the colonial subjects that could not help themselves.

lol Henry the dreamer. You don't even know what BH is gonna do next.

The cost of the SAS Amatola’s refit may have been inflated by R100-million

THE Department of Defence has funnelled R406-million for ship maintenance and repairs to a private company because it says it can no longer look after its own fleet.
And the fortunate recipient of taxpayers’ cash is a company chaired and co-owned by the founder of the Friends of Jacob Zuma Trust, Don Mkhwanazi.
Southern African Shipyards, in which Mkhwanazi has a 48% stake [/b]together with its CEO, Prasheen Maharaj, has benefited from six naval contracts in the past three years, including a R335-million deal to refit the arms deal frigate SAS Amatola.
The department said it had had to outsource the work because of “capacity constraints” at the Simon’s Town naval dockyard. But the Durban company’s lucrative relationship with the military has raised concerns and prompted a call for a probe by the auditor-general.
The Sunday Times has established that:
The R335-million Amatola refit tender has ballooned to about R360-million because of “unforeseen events”;
[b]Several industry experts said the original contract amount was inflated by between R60-million and R100-million;
The cost — one of the most expensive navy refits by a private firm — prompted questions in parliament by DA defence shadow minister David Maynier. In a written response two weeks ago, Defence and Military Veterans Minister Nosiviwe MapisaNqakula confirmed that R406million was being paid to Southern African Shipyards; and
Unlike the latest frigate refit tender issued earlier this year, the Amatola tender was not handled by Armscor but by the navy’s own procurement centre. Despite insisting the Amatola contract was put out to public tender, the navy has steadfastly refused to clarify queries about apparent irregularities.
Mkhwanazi and other Southern African Shipyards shareholders insist it is above board — and has nothing to do with Mkhwanazi’s ties to Zuma. Responding to the Sunday Times in writing, Mkhwanazi said: “The president does not award tenders . . . Any relationship with the president cannot be linked to contract awards made via a public tender process.”
Maharaj described as “sour grapes” the suggestion that the deal was politically motivated.
“Every government contract we have won, whether it has been Transnet or South African Navy, has been won through a public tender process,” he said.
“We don’t think our offer of R335-million tender was overpriced. In fact, it was the cheapest bid received via an open public tender process,” he said.
Maynier, who called for an independent probe, disagreed: “First, the cost of the SAS Amatola’s refit was stratospheric and may have been inflated by as much as R100-million.
“Second, the SAS Amatola’s refit brought the local shipbuilding industry to its knees because the dry dock was effectively shut down.
“And third, it’s strange that [R400-million] would be sunk into a private company in Durban, rather than into the South African Navy dockyard.”
Southern African Shipyards has also received a R1.4-billion contract to build tug boats for Transnet.
Mkhwanazi, a Southern African Shipyards shareholder since 2006 and Transnet director between 2010 and 2012, said he had declared his shareholding on the day he was appointed to the Transnet board.
“The tug contract awarded to Southern African Shipyards became effective on 1 August 2014, more than two and a half years after [my] tenure as a director of Transnet ended,” he said.

jl115:

Dude stop crying!! f'ck its just a forum, you dont have to take everything so seriously.

Hahaha he has the crazy dream that people all over the world come to this forum for military research.

Sunday Times, December 14 2014


[b]Arms deal vessels marooned by neglect
ONLY one of South Africa’s four arms deal frigates and one of three submarines are operational — and some are falling apart.
One frigate has a cracked rudder, another needs an engine replaced and a third has been under repair for almost a year, the Sunday Times established this week.
This comes just days after Armscor gave details of a R4-billion tender to build six naval patrol boats, prompting doubts over the navy’s ability to maintain its fleet.
The new naval shopping list, dubbed Project Biro, is a boon for local shipbuilding companies but a potential disaster for taxpayers who will have to fund maintenance and repairs for years to come.
The naval dockyard in Simon’s Town is understaffed and undercapitalised.
Andrew Feinstein, an ANC MP who quit when the government curtailed a probe into the arms deal, said: “These revelations come as no surprise. The arms deal has been a monumental waste of money.”
The DA’s David Maynier said: “We don’t need another arms deal-like disaster where we acquire vessels we know we cannot operate or maintain.—[/b]

Henry120:
[b]Arms deal vessels marooned by neglect
ONLY one of South Africa’s four arms deal frigates and one of three submarines are operational — and some are falling apart.
One frigate has a cracked rudder, another needs an engine replaced and a third has been under repair for almost a year, the Sunday Times established this week.
This comes just days after Armscor gave details of a R4-billion tender to build six naval patrol boats, prompting doubts over the navy’s ability to maintain its fleet.
The new naval shopping list, dubbed Project Biro, is a boon for local shipbuilding companies but a potential disaster for taxpayers who will have to fund maintenance and repairs for years to come.
The naval dockyard in Simon’s Town is understaffed and undercapitalised.
Andrew Feinstein, an ANC MP who quit when the government curtailed a probe into the arms deal, said: “These revelations come as no surprise. The arms deal has been a monumental waste of money.”
The DA’s David Maynier said: “We don’t need another arms deal-like disaster where we acquire vessels we know we cannot operate or maintain.—[/b]

Well would you look at that! 3 valours and 2 Heroin subs operational!
Well there goes your argument.

Henry120:
The cost of the SAS Amatola’s refit may have been inflated by R100-million

THE Department of Defence has funnelled R406-million for ship maintenance and repairs to a private company because it says it can no longer look after its own fleet.
And the fortunate recipient of taxpayers’ cash is a company chaired and co-owned by the founder of the Friends of Jacob Zuma Trust, Don Mkhwanazi.
Southern African Shipyards, in which Mkhwanazi has a 48% stake [/b]together with its CEO, Prasheen Maharaj, has benefited from six naval contracts in the past three years, including a R335-million deal to refit the arms deal frigate SAS Amatola.
The department said it had had to outsource the work because of “capacity constraints” at the Simon’s Town naval dockyard. But the Durban company’s lucrative relationship with the military has raised concerns and prompted a call for a probe by the auditor-general.
The Sunday Times has established that:
The R335-million Amatola refit tender has ballooned to about R360-million because of “unforeseen events”;
[b]Several industry experts said the original contract amount was inflated by between R60-million and R100-million;
The cost — one of the most expensive navy refits by a private firm — prompted questions in parliament by DA defence shadow minister David Maynier. In a written response two weeks ago, Defence and Military Veterans Minister Nosiviwe MapisaNqakula confirmed that R406million was being paid to Southern African Shipyards; and
Unlike the latest frigate refit tender issued earlier this year, the Amatola tender was not handled by Armscor but by the navy’s own procurement centre. Despite insisting the Amatola contract was put out to public tender, the navy has steadfastly refused to clarify queries about apparent irregularities.
Mkhwanazi and other Southern African Shipyards shareholders insist it is above board — and has nothing to do with Mkhwanazi’s ties to Zuma. Responding to the Sunday Times in writing, Mkhwanazi said: “The president does not award tenders . . . Any relationship with the president cannot be linked to contract awards made via a public tender process.”
Maharaj described as “sour grapes” the suggestion that the deal was politically motivated.
“Every government contract we have won, whether it has been Transnet or South African Navy, has been won through a public tender process,” he said.
“We don’t think our offer of R335-million tender was overpriced. In fact, it was the cheapest bid received via an open public tender process,” he said.
Maynier, who called for an independent probe, disagreed: “First, the cost of the SAS Amatola’s refit was stratospheric and may have been inflated by as much as R100-million.
“Second, the SAS Amatola’s refit brought the local shipbuilding industry to its knees because the dry dock was effectively shut down.
“And third, it’s strange that [R400-million] would be sunk into a private company in Durban, rather than into the South African Navy dockyard.”
Southern African Shipyards has also received a R1.4-billion contract to build tug boats for Transnet.
Mkhwanazi, a Southern African Shipyards shareholder since 2006 and Transnet director between 2010 and 2012, said he had declared his shareholding on the day he was appointed to the Transnet board.
“The tug contract awarded to Southern African Shipyards became effective on 1 August 2014, more than two and a half years after [my] tenure as a director of Transnet ended,” he said.

Whats your point? The fact that we upgrade our ships every few years and the NN doesnt?

Henry120:


Actually, Augustine hit a home-run with every sentence he made.

Where do I place South-Africa with your 69 murders a day?

Far higher than you

And the fact remains - you are the 16th most failed state in the world. As confirmed by professionals in the feild

Henry120:


Screaming and shouting like a dog on the internet, doesn't prove your message is credible.

Message is 100% credible

That "unimportant fob" was protecting a town of 10 000 souls

Boko haram captured this VITAL position with ease and then proceded to burn and loot and slaughter their way through the area

All the while the NA is unwilling or incapable of mounting a response

Henry120:
The cost of the SAS Amatola’s refit may have been inflated by R100-million

THE Department of Defence has funnelled R406-million for ship maintenance and repairs to a private company because it says it can no longer look after its own fleet.
And the fortunate recipient of taxpayers’ cash is a company chaired and co-owned by the founder of the Friends of Jacob Zuma Trust, Don Mkhwanazi.
Southern African Shipyards, in which Mkhwanazi has a 48% stake [/b]together with its CEO, Prasheen Maharaj, has benefited from six naval contracts in the past three years, including a R335-million deal to refit the arms deal frigate SAS Amatola.
The department said it had had to outsource the work because of “capacity constraints” at the Simon’s Town naval dockyard. But the Durban company’s lucrative relationship with the military has raised concerns and prompted a call for a probe by the auditor-general.
The Sunday Times has established that:
The R335-million Amatola refit tender has ballooned to about R360-million because of “unforeseen events”;
[b]Several industry experts said the original contract amount was inflated by between R60-million and R100-million;
The cost — one of the most expensive navy refits by a private firm — prompted questions in parliament by DA defence shadow minister David Maynier. In a written response two weeks ago, Defence and Military Veterans Minister Nosiviwe MapisaNqakula confirmed that R406million was being paid to Southern African Shipyards; and
Unlike the latest frigate refit tender issued earlier this year, the Amatola tender was not handled by Armscor but by the navy’s own procurement centre. Despite insisting the Amatola contract was put out to public tender, the navy has steadfastly refused to clarify queries about apparent irregularities.
Mkhwanazi and other Southern African Shipyards shareholders insist it is above board — and has nothing to do with Mkhwanazi’s ties to Zuma. Responding to the Sunday Times in writing, Mkhwanazi said: “The president does not award tenders . . . Any relationship with the president cannot be linked to contract awards made via a public tender process.”
Maharaj described as “sour grapes” the suggestion that the deal was politically motivated.
“Every government contract we have won, whether it has been Transnet or South African Navy, has been won through a public tender process,” he said.
“We don’t think our offer of R335-million tender was overpriced. In fact, it was the cheapest bid received via an open public tender process,” he said.
Maynier, who called for an independent probe, disagreed: “First, the cost of the SAS Amatola’s refit was stratospheric and may have been inflated by as much as R100-million.
“Second, the SAS Amatola’s refit brought the local shipbuilding industry to its knees because the dry dock was effectively shut down.
“And third, it’s strange that [R400-million] would be sunk into a private company in Durban, rather than into the South African Navy dockyard.”
Southern African Shipyards has also received a R1.4-billion contract to build tug boats for Transnet.
Mkhwanazi, a Southern African Shipyards shareholder since 2006 and Transnet director between 2010 and 2012, said he had declared his shareholding on the day he was appointed to the Transnet board.
“The tug contract awarded to Southern African Shipyards became effective on 1 August 2014, more than two and a half years after [my] tenure as a director of Transnet ended,” he said.

And so?

Henry120:
Sunday Times, December 14 2014


[b]Arms deal vessels marooned by neglect
ONLY one of South Africa’s four arms deal frigates and one of three submarines are operational — and some are falling apart.
One frigate has a cracked rudder, another needs an engine replaced and a third has been under repair for almost a year, the Sunday Times established this week.
This comes just days after Armscor gave details of a R4-billion tender to build six naval patrol boats, prompting doubts over the navy’s ability to maintain its fleet.
The new naval shopping list, dubbed Project Biro, is a boon for local shipbuilding companies but a potential disaster for taxpayers who will have to fund maintenance and repairs for years to come.
The naval dockyard in Simon’s Town is understaffed and undercapitalised.
Andrew Feinstein, an ANC MP who quit when the government curtailed a probe into the arms deal, said: “These revelations come as no surprise. The arms deal has been a monumental waste of money.”
The DA’s David Maynier said: “We don’t need another arms deal-like disaster where we acquire vessels we know we cannot operate or maintain.—[/b]

This is standard for any navy in the world

The so called 1/3 rule

We just finished major naval exercises, repars and maintenance must be done. Vessels suffering damage during a year of high tempo operations is not unheard of and is to be expected.

Further, that Valour Class that has been under maintence for a year is about to become operational again - and the Amatola will take its spot and begin refit

Also, a damaged engine does not prevent a Valour Class frigate to perform training operations in false bay (Spionkop had an engine removed when it was slated for refit in 2009 and performed training ops in the bay for a whole year while waiting its chance jn dry dock)

This is how professional navies run - maintenance, maintenance, maintenance

Maybe if you followed our lead the Aradu would put to sea once every 5 years


And as a final point, the fact that the Warrior Class OPV's have come on line and the naval base in durban is nearing the end of refurbishment means that soon the valour class will not be not be needed for 24/7 patrol of the Mozambique channel - meaning the maintenance backlog can be adressed and that wear and tare on the vessels will be more than halved

And let me remind you - 1 combat ready frigate and 1 combat ready sub is one of each more than you [will ever] have and is enough to defend against any nation in sub saharan aftica

jl115:

Dude stop crying!! f'ck its just a forum, you dont have to take everything so seriously.

lol. Its just a forum. Yes of course its just a forum. Now pls we ve derailed enough.

agaugust:


SAAF Mirage was modified into Cheetah jet by ISRAEL not you !
.

It was done by SA with the help of Israel. The rest of other fighters were done by SA alone.

Henry120:


A Russian Hind, a French Mirage and an Italian amerrachi trainer are now South-African products?

You South-Africans are very funny.

Yes they're, consult any web page about the Atlas Cheetah - country of origin is South Africa

Super Hind - South Africa

Impala MK - South Africa

Just like you claim the Ford F series is the Nigerian Igirigi.

Henry120:


Agents of the Nigerian Intelligence Agency working in South-Africa sent back intelligence data to Nigeria.

We know everything you do, we aren't at war with South-Africa, yet we have full access to your security architecture.

Intelligence provided by Nigeria was used to detain and prosecute okah. Not the other way around dummy.

Dream on, you can't even collect intelligence on Boko Harassment in your country.

Henry120:
Sunday Times, December 14 2014


[b]Arms deal vessels marooned by neglect
ONLY one of South Africa’s four arms deal frigates and one of three submarines are operational — and some are falling apart.
One frigate has a cracked rudder, another needs an engine replaced and a third has been under repair for almost a year, the Sunday Times established this week.
This comes just days after Armscor gave details of a R4-billion tender to build six naval patrol boats, prompting doubts over the navy’s ability to maintain its fleet.
The new naval shopping list, dubbed Project Biro, is a boon for local shipbuilding companies but a potential disaster for taxpayers who will have to fund maintenance and repairs for years to come.
The naval dockyard in Simon’s Town is understaffed and undercapitalised.
Andrew Feinstein, an ANC MP who quit when the government curtailed a probe into the arms deal, said: “These revelations come as no surprise. The arms deal has been a monumental waste of money.”
The DA’s David Maynier said: “We don’t need another arms deal-like disaster where we acquire vessels we know we cannot operate or maintain.—[/b]

When is the Aradu going to get maintenance? It can't even go to Port Harcourt from Lagos. Fools

http://m.news24.com/news24/Africa/News/Nigeria-calls-for-support-after-deadliest-Boko-Haram-attack-20150111

Nigeria calls for support after 'deadliest' Boko Haram attack


Abuja - Nigeria's military has called for support in tackling Boko Haram after a major attack on a key northeast town that is feared could be the worst in the bloody six-year insurgency.

Nigeria's military - West Africa's largest - has faced repeated criticism for failing to end the six-year Islamist insurgency, as well as allegations of human rights abuses.Appropriate plans

Soldiers have complained of a lack of adequate weapons and even refused to deploy to take on the better-armed rebels, who want to create a hardline Islamic state in northeast Nigeria.

saengine:
http://m.news24.com/news24/Africa/News/Nigeria-calls-for-support-after-deadliest-Boko-Haram-attack-20150111

Nigeria calls for support after 'deadliest' Boko Haram attack


Abuja - Nigeria's military has called for support in tackling Boko Haram after a major attack on a key northeast town that is feared could be the worst in the bloody six-year insurgency.

Nigeria's military - West Africa's largest - has faced repeated criticism for failing to end the six-year Islamist insurgency, as well as allegations of human rights abuses.Appropriate plans

Soldiers have complained of a lack of adequate weapons and even refused to deploy to take on the better-armed rebels, who want to create a hardline Islamic state in northeast Nigeria.

As usual Southies with selective news, even editing reports. Again, doesn't mean it is accurate. Usual hyping of BH and playing down the Armed Forces. Doesn't mean it is accurate.

rka1:


As usual Southies with selective news, even editing reports. Again, doesn't mean it is accurate. Usual hyping of BH and playing down the Armed Forces. Doesn't mean it is accurate.

Show me the "good parts" of that article i left out. Whoever wants to read the full article can click on the link.

DieVluit:


Hahaha he has the crazy dream that people all over the world come to this forum for military research.

mumu. So how did you get here?

Henry120:


Agents of the Nigerian Intelligence Agency working in South-Africa sent back intelligence data to Nigeria.

We know everything you do, we aren't at war with South-Africa, yet we have full access to your security architecture.

Intelligence provided by Nigeria was used to detain and prosecute okah. Not the other way around dummy.

Mr. Kenya, if you think Kenya is strong can you explain how Kenyan intelligence services were blind till El-Shabab terrorists entered Kenya from Somalia, traveled into your bloody capital Nairobi, entered a big shopping mall, held your own people hostage in front view of the whole world, while the incompetent and corrupt Kenyan army and air force were helpless for days surrounding the mall, unable to think quick about what to do, then foolishly decided to attack, used RPG on a civilian crowded shopping mall, got innocent Kenyan women and children killed in the mall, then Kenyan military began to loot and steal traders' jewelry inside the shopping mall instead of saving lives.....

Wow ! I am surprised a Kenyan of all human beings wants to, open his basket mouth and insult Nigeria on terrorism, El-Shabab uses Kenya for shooting practice tongue tongue tongue

http://en.people.cn/90777/8407044.html



PHOTO : SOMALIAN TERROR LORDS SHOOTING KENYANS FOR PRACTICE IN NAIROBI

Ohh lord! Why I avoid this thread. Anyway,agaugust in 2012 your brass came to KDF HQ. They wanted their Somalia playbook to use in Mali and requested some local on scene assistance. Accordingly a KDF spec ops team was despatched and was actually onsite for at least a week. On their return they counselled against any help due to the complexity of operations what with all the many players,Naij,local Malians and French forces in theatre. An officer informed me,not a rumour.