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Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by vooks: 3:20pm On Jan 12, 2015
Refute any scripturally if your puny brains can muster
shdemidemi:


No, I didn't. Guess you have gone to equip yourself via YouTube.
cool
Please guide all your numbered summaries by appropriate scriptural quotes. It's not enough to throw words around by what seem acceptable to you without sighting one reference from the source.
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Nobody: 3:21pm On Jan 12, 2015
shdemidemi:


What do you think negro?

so rude isn't he, says a lot about his useless faith grin
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by vooks: 3:23pm On Jan 12, 2015
Negro,
I don't have a whip with me and you need brains drilled into you. Words is all I have. Aint I genius! cool cool

If you need Kleenex, I will send you a box. These things are for real men
frosbel:


so rude isn't he, says a lot about his useless faith grin
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Nobody: 3:28pm On Jan 12, 2015
vooks:
Negro,
I don't have a whip with me and you need brains drilled into you. Words is all I have. Aint I genius! cool cool

Stop pretending to be a believer or a follower of Christ, there is nothing to suggest you know him.

cool
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by vooks: 3:32pm On Jan 12, 2015
I will join you. Can see you are lonely. Like all trolls cheesy cheesy cheesy
frosbel:


Stop pretending to be a believer or a follower of Christ, there is nothing to suggest you know him.

cool
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Nobody: 3:34pm On Jan 12, 2015
vooks:
I will join you. Can see you are lonely. Like all trolls cheesy cheesy cheesy


Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by shdemidemi(m): 3:35pm On Jan 12, 2015
vooks:
Refute any scripturally if your puny brains can muster

Lol...the burden of proof that what you have claimed the bible says is what you have summarised isn't on me but on you puny brain critic. grin

Do the needful or remain a liar.

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Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by vooks: 3:40pm On Jan 12, 2015
If you think it is unBiblical, prove it. I called out your BS on speaking in tongues vs speaking in an unknown tongue and ever since you tail has never left that secure place between your legs. Call out mine. Disprove me or hold your peace cool cool cool cool cool
shdemidemi:


Lol...the burden of proof that what you have claimed the bible says is what you have summarised isn't on me but on you puny brain critic. grin

Do the needful or remain a liar.
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by shdemidemi(m): 3:46pm On Jan 12, 2015
vooks:
If you think it is unBiblical, prove it. I called out your BS on speaking in tongues vs speaking in an unknown tongue and ever since you tail has never left that secure place between your legs. Call out mine. Disprove me or hold your peace cool cool cool cool cool

I hold peace then.. Guess all can see the puny brain critic can't align his propositions with scripture. grin he only demand that we believe it because almighty dumbo vooks say so.
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by vooks: 3:46pm On Jan 12, 2015
When you grow up in the Word, feel free to engage me grin grin
shdemidemi:


I hold peace then.. Guess all can see the puny brain critic can't align his propositions with scripture. grin

Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by shdemidemi(m): 3:48pm On Jan 12, 2015
vooks:
When you grow up in the Word, feel free to engage me grin grin

I will bro.. grin grin grin
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by vooks: 3:50pm On Jan 12, 2015
Good,
What is the difference between Kingdom of heaven and Kingdom of God?

shdemidemi:


I will bro.. grin grin grin
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by shdemidemi(m): 3:51pm On Jan 12, 2015
vooks:
Good,
What is the difference between Kingdom of heaven and Kingdom of God?


What do you think it is? Someone have really gone to study dispensationalism for real. cheesy
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by vooks: 3:53pm On Jan 12, 2015
Spelling.....God is spelt G.O.D and heaven is spelt H.E.A.V.E.N

Any other distinction is both retarde.d and heretical
shdemidemi:


What do you think it is? Someone have really gone to study dispensationalism, for real.
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by shdemidemi(m): 3:56pm On Jan 12, 2015
vooks:
Spelling.....God is spelt G.O.D and heaven is spelt H.E.A.V.E.N

Any other distinction is both retarde.d and heretical

Brilliant! Exactly what I think it is. Any other question?
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by vooks: 3:57pm On Jan 12, 2015
Go lick your wounds in peace cool

shdemidemi:


Brilliant! Exactly what I think it is. Any other question?
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by shdemidemi(m): 4:09pm On Jan 12, 2015
vooks:
Go lick your wounds in peace cool


Thanks for teaching us how God proposes and man disposes. grin
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by vooks: 4:10pm On Jan 12, 2015
Stop crying. You are a man o angry
shdemidemi:


Thanks for teaching us how God proposes and man disposes. grin
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Goshen360(m): 6:36pm On Jan 12, 2015
Ubenedictus:
hehehehe, so the apostle paul told you that God is blind to the sin of Christian?

Hehehe,

did you really have to use the apostles name to tell lies?

You still don't understand this gospel. ..in the finished works of Christ, do you?...... cheesy cheesy cheesy. If I give you scriptures, can you refute the Apostolic teachings of the finished works of Christ? cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Hiswordxray(m): 7:57pm On Jan 12, 2015
shdemidemi:
^
Do you have a different bible?
Why didn't you quote me?
Please answer my questions
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 8:14pm On Jan 12, 2015
Hiswordxray:

So you are saying Paul's writing is inspired by the Spirit why James writing is not inspired by the Spirit?
Are you satisfied Paul is a Christian while James (one of Jesus disciple) is in Judaism?
Can you ear yourself?

Well... the two views are in perfect agreement.
Those verse you quoted from different versions are in perfect harmony with what James said.

Let me bring it out:
We are saved by grace through works.
And Yes, grace with work is not grace
Perfect harmony...

There is a difference between works of flesh and works of faith.
This is so funny and so false.

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Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by shdemidemi(m): 8:16pm On Jan 12, 2015
Hiswordxray:

Why didn't you quote me?
Please answer my questions
I think we are done bro. If there is a part you find contradicting in all I have said, we can address it together. You don't have to agree with what I have said but you can at least check scripture to verify them.
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by MEILYN(m): 8:17pm On Jan 12, 2015
sukkot:
my bros, trust the weekend is going nicely and jejely. i go peruse the discussion later although i am scared it is one of those discussions where people drop long thesis lmao grin
People like Goshen hahahaha grin grin
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Hiswordxray(m): 8:34pm On Jan 12, 2015
5solas:

This is so funny and so false.
The problem with human being is that when they don't understand something they call it false - this is the reason Christians are turning to atheist.

Why don't you ask me to explain myself?
Instead of crying "false"
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 8:43pm On Jan 12, 2015
Hiswordxray:

Aren't we justified so that we can be saved?
We are.
Hiswordxray:

Or can we be saved without being justified?
Of course not!
Hiswordxray:

Now James said "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).

Just accept that you don't know so that we can teach you.
Like I said before there is a difference between works of the flesh and works of faith.
Justification = Salvation
Justification is not equal to being born again + good works.
When the Bible says salvation is not by works, it does not make a distinction of works as you now do, if it did, it would be saying nothing to the purpose. This is because anywhere it is said that salvation is not of works, what is implied is that - it is not deserved!
If James uses '' justified '' in the same sense as Paul, then he contradicted Paul more than a hundred times!

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Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Hiswordxray(m): 9:04pm On Jan 12, 2015
shdemidemi:

I think we are done bro. If there is a part you find contradicting in all I have said, we can address it together. You don't have to agree with what I have said but you can at least check scripture to verify them.
I'm only trying to understand your view of the Bible.
Well, this is the summary of your view of the Bible:
Jesus is so blind that he could see that Peter will denial him but he couldn't see that Peter will end up preaching the wrong Gospel.
Jesus wasted his life teaching his disciples about faith and he have to send Paul to fix his failure.
God is so dumb that he allowed his Holy book to be co-authored with the devil.
Paul who strictly challenge anybody that preach another gospel (Gal 2:14-21) allowed Peter (the preacher of the wrong gospel) to teach the Church he (Paul) planted in Corinth (1Cor 1:12) and he forget to correct the errors that Peter must have taught them in his latter to the Corinthians.
The Bible contain two contrary Gospel.
Those that put the books of the Bible are so stupid that they put books of preachers that preach two contrary Gospel.
The Israelites is the body of Jesus and the Church is also the body of Jesus therefore Jesus have two bodies.

Did I miss anything out?
You may not say it in these exact words but this is what your teachings imply (if am wrong correct me)

So now my conclusion on your wonderful teaching:
This is exactly the kind of teaching that turn Christians to atheist.
Go and read your Bible again Or prove my summary of your teaching is wrong and explain better.
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Hiswordxray(m): 9:07pm On Jan 12, 2015
5solas:

We are.

Of course not!

Justification = Salvation
Justification is not equal to being born again + good works.
When the Bible says salvation is not by works, it does not make a distinction of works as you now do, if it did, it would be saying nothing to the purpose. This is because anywhere it is said that salvation is not of works, what is implied is that - it is not deserved!
If James uses '' justified '' in the same sense as Paul, then he contradicted Paul more than a hundred times!
Are you saying James teaching contradict Paul's teaching?
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 9:10pm On Jan 12, 2015
Hiswordxray:

The problem with human being is that when they don't understand something they call it false - this is the reason Christians are turning to atheist.

Why don't you ask me to explain myself?
Instead of crying "false"
I said it was so funny and so false because Eph:2:8,9 was on my mind - '' For by grace are you saved through faith...'' In my mind I was considering the contrary, '' For by grace are you saved through works...'' grin
You can explain what you meant though, please.
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 9:13pm On Jan 12, 2015
Hiswordxray:

Are you saying James teaching contradict Paul's teaching?
I am saying he did not. And I am saying he did not use it in the same sense as Paul.

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Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Hiswordxray(m): 9:15pm On Jan 12, 2015
5solas:

I said it was so funny and so false because Eph:2:8,9 was on my mind - '' For by grace are you saved through faith...'' In my mind I was considering the contrary, '' For by grace are you saved through works...'' grin
You can explain what you meant though, please.
Faith is works.
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by trustman: 9:18pm On Jan 12, 2015
Hiswordxray:

Faith is works.
Faith is a non-meritorious expression.

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Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Hiswordxray(m): 9:18pm On Jan 12, 2015
5solas:

I am saying he did not. And I am saying he did not use it in the same sense as Paul.
Or rather word "works" used by James is different from the word "works" Paul used.

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