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Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 9:21pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Bidam:Bidam! You are on fire! |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by shdemidemi(m): 9:23pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: Ok bro.. If that is the way you see it even after you have been shown, what else can one do but dust his feet. |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 9:24pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
vooks:You probably don't know that before Calvin , there was no talk of ''loss of salvation''. Conditional security = No security. 2 Likes |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 9:24pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
shdemidemi:I asked him this same question once. The truth is that you are reading his present position. 1 Like |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 9:30pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:Paul says we are not saved by our ''works of righteousness''- Titus 3:5. So what other works can be added to ''faith'' ? |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Hiswordxray(m): 9:31pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
trustman:When you have faith you will naturally act and behave in certain ways and this is called the works of faith. James was talking about the works of faith. There is no way you can believe something and not act in accordance to what you believe - this is what James was trying to explain. But our divine teach shdemidemi thinks James was preaching another Gospel in the same Bible. When Paul was explaining how we get saved he said we have to believe with our heart and confess with our mouth. Confessing with our mouth is an act of faith and it is "works". So yes faith is works and we are saved by works. |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Hiswordxray(m): 9:34pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
5solas:Works of faith. |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 9:39pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:Please name the works of faith and distinguish them from works of righteousness. |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 9:43pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:Works that had no bearing in your salvation will have no bearing in your salvation! You see how clumsy I am forced to write because I am forced to use salvation twice in a sentence and both meaning the same thing! |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Hiswordxray(m): 9:49pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
5solas:Tell me how you got saved. |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by trustman: 9:55pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: When James made the statement 'Faith without work is dead' what he simply said is: Faith (i.e. Biblical truth, the body of what is believed, creed) if it is not put into application(works) is barren (produces nothing, shows no results - dead). 1 Like |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 10:10pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:I was burdened with my sin. I understood through the preaching of the gospel that if I placed my faith in Christ , I would be saved. I did just that. |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Hiswordxray(m): 10:17pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
trustman:Exactly, you can't say you have faith and yet sit down and do nothing. Your must do something and that thing you do is works (although not works of righteousness/the law but just a natural response to your faith) That application (works) is also a indispensable aspect of faith. |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Hiswordxray(m): 10:19pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
5solas:Did you go to a pastor? Did you say the sinner's prayer? Did you confess your sin? Did you get baptized? |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by trustman: 10:30pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:Note that the 'faith' he's talking about is not that of 'trust' in Christ for salvation. |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 10:36pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:I went to a brother who had preached to me some months to that time and he led me to Christ. I am baptized, I prayed the sinner's prayer , confessed my sins. I still do all that once in a while (minus the baptism) just to be sure . |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 10:38pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
trustman:Are you implying I am not saved? |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Hiswordxray(m): 10:43pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
trustman:If you place your faith on Christ for salvation it will cause you to react in certain ways e.g: go to a pastor say the sinner's prayer confess your sin get baptized All of these are works but act of faith not works of the law. If you say all you need to do to be saved is believe then why did you say the sinners prayer and confess your sin. Remember Paul said you have to believe and confess your sin to be saved. Why did Paul include confessing your sin? Why didn't he just say believe? |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 10:52pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:Repentance itself is a gift, I hope you know that. God grants it. So I wont even say faith was my only work. |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Hiswordxray(m): 10:53pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
5solas:You went to a brother because you believe --- an act of faith (works) You prayed the sinners prayer because you believe --- another act of faith (works) You confessed your sins because you believe Jesus can save you --- yet another act of faith (works) End result --- you got saved. Your believing in Jesus + your works of faith = Salvation. My brother you were saved because you believed and you act in accordance to what you believe (works). Remember Satan also believe but he didn't add works to is believe that is why he is not save. |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Hiswordxray(m): 10:58pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
5solas:Works of faith is not your work but a grace from God. Because works of faith is a natural response to the faith that God gave you. So I'm not saying you were saved by your works but you were saved by grace (the works is grace ). Do you understand? |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 10:58pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
It's been more than twenty three years since that day and I keep singing: At the cross, at the cross where I first saw the light, And the burden of my heart rolled away, It was there by faith I received my sight, And now I am happy all the day! |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Hiswordxray(m): 11:01pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
5solas:Bless God. |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 11:06pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:It is because of Him that I am in Christ. He is the sole reason while I am saved and the next person is not. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 1Cor. 1:30. |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 11:07pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:Thank you. |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 11:13pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
What do you think Jesus meant by this: Matt. 11 |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 11:18pm On Jan 12, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:What did He mean here: 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 10. |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by Nobody: 7:51am On Jan 13, 2015 |
5solas:Yes. It is sad that these folks shouting calvinism!calvinism!! still don't get it that our acceptance by the Father has already been determined at the cross. Therefore, it is not based on how well we have done or how we are doing now. 1 Like |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by trustman: 8:22am On Jan 13, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: I assumed you were following my thoughts from my last post. What I meant is this: the 'faith' James is talking about when he talks about faith without works being dead is not 'faith' as that of 'trust' in Christ for salvation. That's what I explained when I said: When James made the statement 'Faith without work is dead' what he simply said is: Faith (i.e. Biblical truth, the body of what is believed, creed) if it is not put into application(works) is barren (produces nothing, shows no results - dead). 1 Like |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by 5solas(m): 10:17am On Jan 13, 2015 |
trustman:I completely agree. @Hiswordxray Good works/deeds radiate from the live of a person who is truly saved , so if you are thinking you are saved and do not do good works/deeds, examine yourself, you might not be! (James 2:14-26 paraphrased ) We should look at verse 14 to 16 especially which generated his assertion that faith without works is dead. |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by vooks: 10:20am On Jan 13, 2015 |
Security based on faith is certainly not unconditional 5solas: |
Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by shdemidemi(m): 10:34am On Jan 13, 2015 |
Bidam: Bidam!!! Well, people like Frosbel, MostHigh, Jesusislord and their likes will flip this statement round to mean -do you mean we can start living in sin since you say we are sealed in Christ and heaven bound. I wonder who sincerely come to God with an idea of disobeying or perpetually flouting the rules of who He decides to surrender his life to. 2 Likes |
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