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Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by davien(m): 1:02am On Jan 25, 2015 |
LordReed:Actually all your posts have been to propose the universe having an outside,on a topic solely for addressing how an outside isn't feasible(and so things like a "god" couldn't be there because there's no outside)...so prejudice I am not, nice try. so again....it's either you really lack comprehension skills or just trolling.. |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LordReed(m): 6:48am On Jan 25, 2015 |
davien: You claim to address how an outside isn't feasible but a discussion on how this is limited by observation has you accusing me of illogic, how are you not prejudiced? Did I for once mention God? You are so prejudiced it blinds you and makes just as dogmatic, free your mind. 2 Likes |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by adexsimply(m): 7:17am On Jan 25, 2015 |
How can something "exist" yet "not exist" in space-time ? Let's assume the "Holy Bible" did not survive time, then the question to ask is; what makes anyone say god is outside of space and time? What is the evidence for such assertions? 1 Like |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by malvisguy212: 8:27am On Jan 25, 2015 |
adexsimply:if God consists of matter, I would have taking you serious,but bible say God is a spirit. |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by adexsimply(m): 8:30am On Jan 25, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Just for a moment, assume the bible does not exist... |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by johnydon22(m): 9:32am On Jan 25, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:lolzz 1 Like |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by davien(m): 10:28am On Jan 25, 2015 |
LordReed:And I will still tell you that arguing for an "outside" on a topic about why "supernatural" things(or anything) cannot be there(because there isn't an outside) would be to argue in support of that "supernatural" thing... It's like in a debate of how the earth couldn't be 6,000 years, you start by supporting points that it is,so what do you expect to be replied about?.... Again, it's either you have no clue of this or you're trolling... |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by davien(m): 10:32am On Jan 25, 2015 |
adexsimply:Apart from breaking physics in two it also violates logic(law of non-contradiction) |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by undercat: 10:51am On Jan 25, 2015 |
davien: Classical logic, not quantum logic. 1 Like |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by Hiswordxray(m): 11:50am On Jan 25, 2015 |
undercat:God is not willing for people to die but if you jump off a cliff you would die. And you can't blame God for that, he created the universe to operate in certain laws and if you ignore the law of gravity and jump off a cliff you would surely die. God also created the spiritual world to operate in laws but if you don't apply the law then you can't expect to get the desire result. And you can't blame God for it because it is your ignorance that is your enemy. God said "my people suffer because of lack of knowledge". And if anybody should fall sick it is also not God's fault because God gave us access to his kingdom where there is no sickness but if we choose to wonder off from God's kingdom and go and visit the kingdom of darkness. Then don't blame God when the sickness in the world jump on you. So we have to learn to remain in the refuge God has kept us. But if we make mistakes God is willing to forgive us and heal us of the sickness we have acquired while we were wondering about. If you want to know the law of faith by which we receive healing then I could teach you. |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LordReed(m): 12:07pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
davien: If telling you I have no wish to argue the existence of God with you still leaves you arguing that same thing then you are really blind. 2 Likes |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by Nobody: 3:25pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
LordReed:Lol. I guess the dude is following a rehearsed script. I do wonder where you talked about God in your post? I don't think he comprehends your post really.Good job sir! |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LordReed(m): 4:15pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
Bidam: I tire o! How's your Sunday going? |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by davien(m): 4:19pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
LordReed:You and your cohorts don't seem to get it do you? The claim of a "god" is tied to another claim that space and time has an "outside"..so I addressed why an outside is illogical and not feasible and then went on to say that nothing can be said to inhabit a non-existent place... It would be like asking what lives on the beginning of a sphere. Note: A sphere has no beginning or end.. |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by Nobody: 4:25pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
LordReed:My sunday is cool bro..Thanks. |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LordReed(m): 5:11pm On Jan 25, 2015 |
davien: You are really steeped in this your prejudice o. Cohorts? LoL. An outside is not illogical, it is unknown or at best not within the ambits of observed phenomenon. Scientists postulate that the universe probably has no outside because of what they have observed but they have only observed light that has so far been visible. If truly the universe is 15billion years old then the light from the farthest reaches of space will not be reaching us anytime soon so they cannot be certain about how exactly the universe looks like. You cannot be certain about the nature of the universe so to say the universe is this or that without any caveats is the weakness I saw in your op. 2 Likes |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by davien(m): 12:23am On Jan 26, 2015 |
LordReed:Again this is why one doesn't speak before comprehending something.. Why I said its illogical and not feasible is because if the universe had an "outside",as you erroneously think...then the universe would be either an open or closed universe...of which are variably different than the universe we live in.. If the universe were closed(or if we live in a closed universe) we'd actually be able to see so far that we'd see the back of our heads.. If the universe were an open one, we'd find that a triangle sums up to more we know it to... And furthermore,the measurement of the cosmic microwave background matches the data that we live in a flat universe that has no edge, no defining start or end and no outside... And the only thing regarded to as an "outside" of the observable universe is the hubble sphere,which is also an expanding diameter of space having no "edge" whatsoever.... ![]() Note: Saying it has an edge is implying that it isn't a 3d-sphere but a 2-d circle of which for the reasons mentioned above is not the case |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by macof(m): 1:06am On Jan 26, 2015 |
LordReed: And what scientist has told you the universe has an edge to be observed? Is the universe a bootle-like space with an opening? |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by macof(m): 1:11am On Jan 26, 2015 |
Hiswordxray:And where was Jesus during the ebola crisis in Nigeria? How far has Jesus gone in sierra Leone where they have conducted countless deliverance and cleansing services? The backward science has done what Jesus couldn't do |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by macof(m): 1:13am On Jan 26, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Yet he has hands and feet? ![]() That's material if you ask me |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by Redlyn: 4:10am On Jan 26, 2015 |
LordReed: I don't need to be a theist to see that this makes sense. The one thing about the universe that we know is that there is a lot we don't know about it. |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LordReed(m): 7:46am On Jan 26, 2015 |
davien: Your explanation is just full of confusion. The prime question is has the entire universe been observed or only just a portion of it? 1 Like |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by malvisguy212: 7:55am On Jan 26, 2015 |
macof:a spirit don't have hand and feet? We are created with the image of God, God has hand and feet before human. |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LucemFerre: 8:13am On Jan 26, 2015 |
davien: I think you laid out your argument excellently... And seriously I'm surprised that you kept on arguing this long... So far, everything the theists have been posting in an attempt to refute the OP is not only nonsense but, unbelievably ridiculous. I can't believe one saying God is bigger than the galaxies for crying out fu<|<ing loud... Kai! Smfh 2 Likes |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LordReed(m): 8:19am On Jan 26, 2015 |
macof: Because of the physical properties of the universe an edge is probably not observable at this time. Moreover modern scientific postulations hold that the universe has no edge. However there is a caveat and that is we are limited by what we can observe that could change in the future as we update our scientific capabilities. |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by macof(m): 8:41am On Jan 26, 2015 |
malvisguy212:lmao ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() No! Dummy, Hands and feet are material properties, A spirit not only has no use for them but it's completely stuupid to think a spirit have hands and feet like humans What a humanoid god u serve ![]() 1 Like |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by Joshthefirst(m): 8:52am On Jan 26, 2015 |
timonski:This is more nonsense than I can describe. How you got this conclusion from his post beats me. It clearly states there that God does not exist in any timeline. He was acting before time. He created it. Simple. |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by Joshthefirst(m): 9:04am On Jan 26, 2015 |
davien:Space expands into itself? Nawa o 1 Like |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LucemFerre: 9:13am On Jan 26, 2015 |
What the fu<|< is wrong with you theists? Faith is understandable but, not synonymous with dumbness, stupidity or schizophrenia. By faith, God exists, but declaring God (by faith) out of space and time is a serious lame move. For example: If God created time, who or what created the time (interval) between when God did not create time and when God did? If God created space, where was it (God) before it did? Why can't you people think for once in your delusional life? You can believe in whatever the hell you want to believe in but, AT-fu<|<ing-LEAST be realistic and reasonable. If you can't... then shut the fu<|< up and keep going to church and reading Bible and let us think for fu<|<'s sakes. Faith is a strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof. And that was just one google away. If you can't think, read. Wtff What makes the concept of God any less made up than jack frost, or bogeyman, or the tooth fairy? Faith means not wanting to know what is true. --Friedrich Nietzsche Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. --Philip K. Dick And lastly and more importantly, No amount of belief makes something a fact. --James Randi 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LucemFerre: 9:17am On Jan 26, 2015 |
Joshthefirst: Can you fu<|<ing believe this? |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by malvisguy212: 9:29am On Jan 26, 2015 |
LucemFerre:science say time has a beginning, who created time? Can matter create matter? |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by johnydon22(m): 10:46am On Jan 26, 2015 |
malvisguy212:If god has hands and feet that means he has a spinal cord too, medular oblongata, then brain, eyes, mouth, nose, tongue, lungs, stomach, joystick, butt... mehnnnnnnnnmn!!! 1 Like |
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