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No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Alexis86: 6:48am On Jan 31, 2015 |
I don't know the kind of doctrine English missionaries brought to Africa that is putting the whole Nigerian Christians in bondage of fear like this. meanwhile, in the Uk, white men are enjoying their lives while we are suffering in Africa. white men don't allow their religious believes to interfer with their enjoyment. But they came to teach Africans centuries ago that if you enjoy too much you will go to hell fire. we still have that believe and mindset till now. imagine! 4 Likes |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by kilokeys(m): 6:50am On Jan 31, 2015 |
and since when did suffering become synonymous to chiristianity? it keeps me sane teaches wisdom provides necessary boundaries gives life a meaning.. until u believe in an omnipotent being.. u haven't started living |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Alexis86: 7:00am On Jan 31, 2015 |
kilokeys:that's a lie, those who do not believe are enjoying their lives too. i believe, I am a Christian. But, truly, we christians in Africa are not enjoying our lives. the economy situation of this country is not even helping things |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by psucc(m): 7:26am On Jan 31, 2015 |
It may be true they do enjoy but what definition do you attached to the word 'enjoyment'? At the point or end of enjoyment, does the person still have control or maintain his moral standing or integrity? If yes, right. If no, think about it. 1 Like |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by johnydon22(m): 7:33am On Jan 31, 2015 |
psucc:Use me as an example; I am not a theist ..if u are hungry i will give u food, if u need help i will help u, if u are stranded i give u shelter... morality is a product of empathy, i do not do these things in the hope of reward or punishment after am dead, i do them cus i know them to be right and i am a human, empathy is in my nature. i alone set my own standards and i alone enforce it. Now ask yourself... I that is doing good because it is good and you that is doing good because you expect reward or fear punishment; Who really among us is truly moral? |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Nobody: 7:39am On Jan 31, 2015 |
did you wake up with cocaine stuffed in your empty skull?with all due respect sir, I mean no offence. I'm just been inquisitive. |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Proximo73: 7:42am On Jan 31, 2015 |
johnydon22:God bless you bros, this is what morality is all about |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Alexis86: 7:45am On Jan 31, 2015 |
psucc:you are right, enjoyment include maintaining moral standards |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by johnydon22(m): 7:50am On Jan 31, 2015 |
shadowgwalker:Truth be told, you mean much offence... you cant just stand the fact that another person is beginning to question your over dogmatic beliefs...So you take to insults instead of addressing the op. 3 Likes |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by johnydon22(m): 7:51am On Jan 31, 2015 |
Alexis86:And what is moral according to u? |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by tushburg(m): 7:52am On Jan 31, 2015 |
Meanwhile OP plank |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Proximo73: 8:22am On Jan 31, 2015 |
tushburg:for me, clubs and party is the best moment of enjoyment,atleast two bottles of small stouts with my babe . so long I do not go beyond my bounds going after other people's babes. i don't understand what pastors are preaching 1 Like |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Alexis86: 8:29am On Jan 31, 2015 |
johnydon22:6 of the laws in the 10 commandments thou shall not kill thou shall not lie thou shall not bear false witness honor your parents thou shall not comit adultery thou shall not covert your neigbors things |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by DoctorStephen(m): 8:31am On Jan 31, 2015 |
CBN.com -- "You must be born again." The religious leader who heard these words first spoken 2,000 years ago seemed stunned by them. This, Nicodemus, a Pharisee and ruler of the Jews, had already acknowledged his belief that Jesus Christ had come from God, "for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him." Chapter three of the Gospel of John records this intriguing conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus, giving us a vital key to the kingdom of God. Both believers and unbelievers still use Jesus' words "born again," and many, like Nicodemus, are still confused by them. Nicodemus asked Jesus, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born again, can he?" Nicodemus was thinking in terms of the flesh. Jesus had to explain to him, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, 'you must be born again.'" Jesus also explained that unless a person is born again, he cannot see or enter the kingdom of God. Obviously, this born-again experience, whatever it is, is absolutely necessary and of the utmost importance. We cannot take it lightly, for Jesus spoke imperatively, "You must" - a command from God. You can imagine the incredulous look on the face of Nicodemus. He couldn't believe such a thing. All his life he had been taught that good works were the key to heaven-that if a person observed all the laws and requirements of God, he would have entrance into heaven. He said to Jesus, "How can these things be?" You see, Jesus was talking about things of the spirit. He compared the spirit with the wind. You cannot see it; you don't know where it's coming from or where it's going. But it is real, and you see its effects. You see what it does to the trees. You see the leaves that are caught up in the wind. You see the little swirls of dust. You feel the wind on your face. Jesus said, "So is every one who is born of the Spirit." The Flesh Versus The Spirit The problem was that Nicodemus, like all human beings, was of the flesh. He was from the earth. Flesh is mortal. It is subject to death, decay, and corruption. It is filled with self-pity, self-pride, self-love. An awesome fact exists about the flesh: everything we see, everything visible, even our own bodies, are perishing. Many people try everything imaginable to ignore or forget this, but the fact always remains. The Bible says that things which are visible are temporary but things which are invisible are eternal (see 2 Corinthians 4:18 ). The truth is that we dwell in a mortal body which will soon return to dust. The Answer Our old state, our old nature, and even all our good deeds are insufficient. God is totally and absolutely holy and righteous. He is perfect. We cannot fellowship with Him now or in the next life in the imperfection of our present nature. Perfection and imperfection are incompatible. "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23 ). By our very self-seeking nature we are sinful and imperfect. And sin results in death, and eternal separation from God. This is the result of our earthly nature. It is obvious that we need a new nature, a nature that God can look upon with acceptance. A nature that stands justified before Him. We need a new birth. You must be born again. There are four important things about this new nature, the new birth, that you must know. A Free Gift First, the new birth is free, a gift from God! We cannot earn it. We cannot work for it or else we could boast, and no one shall boast before God. An imperfect creature cannot earn or deserve such merit from a holy God. "For the wages of sin is death but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" ( Romans 6:23 ). This free gift comes to us by grace, or unmerited favor (see Ephesians 2:8,9 ). Only God's supreme love makes such a free and wonderful gift possible. God did not automatically excuse our sinful condition. He paid the greatest price. You see, sin must be punished. God in His holy and righteous nature must judge sin. Not to do so would deny His very nature. He Himself has decreed that "The wages of sin is death." No Greater Love Than This The most magnificent and incomparable act of love in all of history is that God took our sins and death upon Himself. Jesus, the Son of God, took the punishment in our place. He became our substitute. "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him (2 Corinthians 5:21 ). Jesus Christ, "although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross" ( Philippians 2:6-8 ). "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life" ( John 3:16 ). That is why Christ chose to die-to make the supreme love gift of taking all our punishment upon Himself, to reconcile the world unto God. He totally identified with our sinful nature when He hung on the cross, and became sin for us though sinless Himself, so that we might have the free gift of forgiveness and life. The Mystery Revealed The second important fact about this new nature is that it is actually the nature of the only perfect Person who ever lived, Jesus Christ. Only Jesus is good enough. Only He is perfect. Only His life is acceptable to God. It is only as we partake of His life that we become acceptable to God. Being "born again" is nothing less than receiving the actual life of the living Christ - His Spirit actually entering us and bringing our spirit to life. Our spirit is joined with Him" (1 Corinthians 6:17 ). We then become one with the perfect One. "It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me: (Galations 2:20). The mystery is now revealed, "that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generationswhich is Christ in you, the hope of glory" (Colossians 1:26,27 ). Jesus' identification with us is complete. In His death, He bore our sins and suffered our death. In His resurrection, He became our life, so much so that in His Spirit we are even joined with Him. Now when the Father looks upon us He sees only the righteousness of Jesus. We are accepted. We have been born again! "If any man is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come" (2 Corinthians 5:17 ). The Abundant Life The third important fact is that when we are born again, we become a new creature, now. The heavenly promise is for the future and will be wonderful beyond understanding. However, at the new birth we immediately begin to experience the life of God as He guides us, walks with us, and indwells us. We experience the fruit of His Spirit such as love, joy, and peace. As we are filled with His Spirit, we experience His supernatural power manifested in life situations. Life takes on new meaning. Everything is in a new perspective. Jesus said that He came, not just to get us to heaven, but that we "might have life, and might have it abundantly" (John 10"10). How To Receive Him The fourth important fact to know is how to receive this gift. Doesn't every act of giving require a giver and a receiver? God, the Giver, holds out the gift to everyone. It is not His will that any should perish (see 2 Peter 3:9 ). But to receive a gift requires that we agree to a need. We must agree as the spirit of God shows us that we are, indeed, sinful creatures in need of God's forgiveness and grace. "Unless you repent, you will likewise perish" ( Luke 13:3 ). Repentance means to change our mind, to turn. We must change our mind about our condition and our direction away from God. And turn to Him. "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God" (John 1:12 ). We receive Christ by an ingenious method that only God could devise. It is not by works, because our abilities would vary and everyone would not have an equal chance. It is an opportunity that is equal regardless of intelligence, sex, age, race, social status, or wealth. It is by faith. "For by grace you have been saved through faith: and that not of ourselves, it is the gift of God: Not as a result of works, that no one should boast" (Ephesians 2:8,9 ). To receive Christ, we must acknowledge our need and who He is. Then we simply turn to Him by faith and put our trust and reliance in Him. We receive Him by invitation. Jesus said, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if any one hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him, and will dine with him, and he with Me" ( Revelation 3:20 ). Do you want to be born again, right now? Do you want a new nature? Do you want to receive the most wonderful gift in the whole universe, the life of Christ Himself? Then simply but sincerely pray: "Dear Lord Jesus, I believe that You are the Son of God. I believe that You died for my sins and rose from the grave. I invite You into my heart and receive You right now. Thank You for forgiveness. Thank You for a new life. Help me to be what You want me to be and live Your life through me. Amen." Now What? If you sincerely prayed that prayer, God says that you have new life and that you are a member of His eternal kingdom. He desires close fellowship with you during this life and desires for you even now to live victoriously as a child of the King! Also, since He died for you, He wants you to live for Him. "And He died for all, that they who live should no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf" ( 2 Corinthians 5:15 ). As we are born again, God immediately implants a new nature within us. Some outward change may be dramatic and instant; some may come gradually. As with any newborn, our new nature needs nurture and growth. Talk to Him frequently. And listen to his voice within you. That's what prayer is. Read and meditate upon His Word, the Bible - another way He speaks to you. Finally, He wants you to fellowship with other believers and be a functioning part of His corporate Body -- so find a Bible-believing church and attend regulary. |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by DoctorStephen(m): 8:33am On Jan 31, 2015 |
Jesus Christ is truly coming again, and the rapture or catching away is real! Don't believe a lie |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by johnydon22(m): 9:12am On Jan 31, 2015 |
Alexis86:Yeah quite agreeable... Morality is a product of empathy... for something to be moral it must conform to the good of you, and others and added to the collective good of the society... If you stole from someone, it hurts the person thereby ur actions are against empathy and therefore is not moral.. If you kiss a girl who also kisses u back, ur actions hurt no one (it pleases both of u instead) their is nothing immoral about it... Radiate boundless love towards the entire earth, only then will the good in you flow for the good of earth and all in it. 2 Likes |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by johnydon22(m): 9:13am On Jan 31, 2015 |
DoctorStephen:And how did you know this is true? a book told you? |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by paxonel(m): 9:40am On Jan 31, 2015 |
DoctorStephen:your point is straight forward enough to understand..But the OP is still right. Born again doctrine is part of the missionary teachings which continues to enslave African Christianity. thank God!! few christians are now thinking and getting understanding. just read what i am going to say, and think over it with your brain. it is the brain thinking that makes white men superior over blacks he told Nicodemus, in John 3:7, Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Meaning, i want to come out plain and tell you what i mean by born again. He then told him a parable in John 3:8, The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. let me explain this parable. this parable was not a spiritual thing at all . Jesus told him, i am telling you physical things now you don't understand me, what if begin to tell you spiritual things?? The wind there represent the multitude or crowd of disciples following Jesus. Nicodemus in his sight and ear, sees and hear about the multitude of disciples following Jesus but could not tell where they are coming from and where they are going to (all though they are going to Jerusalem ). then Jesus ended by saying, so is every man that is born again.meaning,all these disciples you see following me are the born again. The bottomline is,for Nicodemus to see the kingdom of God it is expected that he should join the crowd of disciples and follow Jesus to Jerusalem where the kingdom of God was to be revealed at his crucifixion. THEREFORE, BORN AGAIN SIMPLY MEANS THE EVENT OF THE DISCIPLES FOLLOWING JESUS INTO CHRISTIANITY (not yet in Christianity but on their way to Christianity ).so born again were not yet saved because they were still at Judaism even at the following. Remember, it was a transition from Judaism(the religion of the jews) to christianity (the Christian faith ).therefore the righteousness of God was revealed from faith to faith at crucifixion. now,not all who followed Jesus and called him lord lord(not everybody among the born again ) ended up seeing the kingdom of God (ended up becoming christians ) but only about 120 of them, act 1:15. out of the 5000 who eat bread and fishes. Example of a disciple who was born again who didn't see the kingdom of God was Judas Iscariot, he died on the way, he was unfortunate. Another example is john the baptist, he also died. Hence, the least person (the greatest sinner ) in Christianity is greater than john the Baptist and all the prophets of old testament (prophets of Judaism ). You can see that born again was not in Christianity but in Judaism (another religion entirely just like Islam ) and Christianity is far better than born again. Therefore it is far better to be called a Christian than to be called born again. The painfull thing is that Christians now hijacked the name born again, boasting that they are righteous than any other Christian thereby causing division in the body of Christ. Please desist from boasting,no man on earth is righteous. We are all justified by faith and not by our dirty works. And that faith is Christianity. think |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Alexis86: 9:52am On Jan 31, 2015 |
johnydon22:that's it. churches are still saying kissing is bad, it marvels me |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Alexis86: 9:59am On Jan 31, 2015 |
paxonel:God bless you so much, you have an insite of the scriptures. the bible even say there is time for everything. the time before Jesus was crucified is not the same thing as the time after the crucifixion. |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Alexis86: 10:01am On Jan 31, 2015 |
DoctorStephen:this is not bible teaching at all, there is something you are confused about |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by paxonel(m): 10:09am On Jan 31, 2015 |
Alexis86:exactly! when Jesus met Nicodemus he was yet to be crucified. it was then Judaism. there was no Christianity then, that implies there was no salvation because it was the crucifixion that brought salvation. Christianity started after the crucifixion. then, how come people are now saying born again is salvation or leads to salvation? the missionaries never thought over this or they deliberately reach Africans this to put us in bondage |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Jeromejnr(m): 11:09am On Jan 31, 2015 |
shadowgwalker: Lol |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Alexis86: 11:21am On Jan 31, 2015 |
paxonel:i have resolved that no amount of religious believe will stop me enjoying my life. i am a christian does not mean i shouldnt have fun |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Nobody: 11:44am On Jan 31, 2015 |
johnydon22:your truth is an irony, are you jealous I woke up early to ask questions with no offence?e dey pain you say I get megabyte for my phone pass you? 1 Like |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by johnydon22(m): 11:54am On Jan 31, 2015 |
shadowgwalker:lmao... you are so funny bro 1 Like |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Proximo73: 1:04pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
all these pastors or men of God, they wount come out to talk now o, if is inside church they will be filled with the holy spirit and shout, repent! rapture and end time is coming. now that we are in social forum like this, they will not be filled with the spirit to talk now o, so that people will not ask them questions |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by denisbid: 1:18pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
Proximo73:are you saying that they don't ask pastors questions in churches? |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Proximo73: 1:20pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
denisbid:try it, you are dead |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Alexis86: 1:23pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
Proximo73:lol... |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by waldigit: 2:06pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
[quote author=Alexis86 post=30290970]I don't know the kind of doctrine English missionaries brought to Africa that is putting the whole Nigerian Christians in bondage of fear like this. meanwhile, in the Uk, white men are enjoying their lives while we are suffering in Africa. white men don't allow their religious believes to interfer with their enjoyment. But they came to teach Africans centuries ago that if you enjoy too much you will go to hell fire. we still have that believe and mindset till now. imagine! [/quote Op thank God you expect us to use our brain. Hence I want to subject your topic to process of logic reasoning as follows: if there is no rapture, no end time, then there is no beginning. So if there is no beginning then the op and its topic are not existing and I am not typing this now. I hope I make sense ,and if I don't there is other way, I wish there was, except JESUS. |
Re: No Rapture,no End Time, Pls Enjoy Your Lives by Alexis86: 2:32pm On Jan 31, 2015 |
[quote author=waldigit post=30301012][/quote] I like you, you tried.. lol But i didn't say there was no beginning. the kingdom of God is now this earth we are living since the day Christ was crucified , Jesus says let thy kingdom come so the kingdom has come, it is now inside us.. i believe that there is something oyedepo saw in the bible that make him say heaven on earth. But the problem i have with him is, he is still teaching end time and rapture contradicting himself. the kingdom of God has no end. that means, the earth has no end. life continues on earth for ever and ever and ever, amen |
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