classicB:
No sin is greater than the other. Nobody Is a saint for abstaining from sex alone. You have to do away with all other sins before you are fit to accuse people engaged in premarital sex. You might be a gossiper yet a virgin, another person might not be a virgin yet be a good giver. Both of you are sinners! Stop placing one since above the other.

I agree with the emboldened part!

James 2:10

For whoever keeps the entire law, yet fails in one point, is guilty of breaking it all.

But there are sins that do not lead to condemnation!

Matthew 5:19-20

Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


^^^

The above scripture is a clear proof....

Some people are hypocrites, so to say. You are either a virgin or non virgin by choice not by force... Morals and Religion are two different things. We should learn to take responsibilities for our actions instead of blaming it on religion or culture.
I'll only remain a virgin if I want to not because my parent or pastor say so and I'll have pre marital sex because I feel like.
That's why puberty comes with maturity, cos at that time we can take decisions on our own.
Sin or no sin, we are all born sinners and what we don't know is that some so called little sin are worst than pre marital sex.

Who are you to decide if someone will go to hell or not? That's God's decision to make not yours.

#Let he who is without sin be the first to cast the stone.

kurt09:
Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. That's why bible told us to flee from fornication.

You hqve to abstain from all sins. Your body is the temple to God

God's standard is still d best

uzolexis:

Pre marital sex is fornication not adultery. Did the bible say anything about fornication? I'm just asking, I'm not endorsing premarital sex, I just want to know where it was stated in the bible that it's a sin.

A- 1 Corinthians 6:18 - Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.


B- 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

C- Galatians 5:19-21 - Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness

D- Heb. 13:4, "Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge."

My first girlfriend whom I would have loved to marry left me because I refused to have sex with her.
For me personally, sex is a sin(premarital or extramarital), likewise lying, stealing and others. I have decided not to be too religious of recent. So I would gladly have sex with my girl without any qualms.
If you dont want to have sex, please dont condemn those having. Its a free world.

Mekzmoney:
SEX b4 marriage is bad in d sight of baba God buh its very good to hav sex b4 marriage.... because some broken marriages or homes was as a result of inability to satisfy dia sexual urge(s)....





So how would u feel wen u abstain 4rm sex and after marriage u noticed dat his d***ck is as small as a 2 or 3yr old baby's?




Or how would d couple cope wen after marriage he/she couldn't satisfy his/her sexual urge?




My ex hates Mouth Gig n am a kinda guy da does dat 2 impress my woman all d tym, n she doesn't hav strength 4sex ... I wouldn't hav figured it out if we had not had sex..... So my point is,



















Sex b4 marriage is good for me oh... Dunno abt others....

who then told u that his dick is small and that the bigger ones might test better?virgins don't know that. Virgins v.Gina's wl feel the taste and satisfaction from any dick size. Those that complains abt dick size are the ones that hv tested multiple dickeez lol.,their pots are no longer elastic to feel the pleasure from the less endowed type of men.

This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy

James 3:15 and 17

ireneidiva:

Number 1, if you die without having sex, so what? What kind of dumb reason is that!
Number 2, anybody that marries because of sex is still a kid.sex before marriage will definately take you to hell adn so will other things like creating this kind of thread too. Sin is sin!

You are very Myopic. No offence

jmoore:
Forward ever, backward never. I saw the light early enough.

#teamzipuptillmarriage
#tearrubbertillmarriage.

Abstain from the soap too

I agree with u on the diff betwn fornication and adultery but I hope u will agree with me that both are illegal.
Here are proofs from the Quran both fornication and adultery is a sin:

"And come not near unto adultery. Lo! it is an abomination and an evil way"(Al-Isra’ 17: 32).

"And those who invoke not any other god along
with Allah, nor kill such life as Allah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse (zina) and whoever does this shall receive the punishment. The torment will be doubled to him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace; except those who repent and believe and do righteous deeds, for those Allah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allah is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful."
(al Furqaan #25, ayat #68-70)

And I think Jesus spoke about adultery somewhere in the bible (in mathew), can't remember the chapter and verse.

uzolexis:

Pre marital sex is fornication not adultery. Did the bible say anything about fornication? I'm just asking, I'm not endorsing premarital sex, I just want to know where it was stated in the bible that it's a sin.

Water is a physiological need for the body.
Food is also a need of the body to keep it going

Sex is not!

uboma:



A brand new car can go bad anytime. That's why there are assurances from the manufacturer to fix the car when it goes bad before a certain period of time or mileage.

That exactly is the point, if it can go bad anytime even though you "test", whats the point of testing? Why not take word of the manufacturer?


Lots of people who have sex before marriage still have sexual problems in marriage. If i am to wager a bet, it would majority of the people who have sexual problems in marriages tested before they married.

continentalceo:


Abstain from the soap too

You dey use petrol for bathing, huh?

dimlighttm:
My first girlfriend whom I would have loved to marry left me because I refused to have sex with her.
For me personally, sex is a sin(premarital or extramarital), likewise lying, stealing and others. I have decided not to be too religious of recent. So I would gladly have sex with my girl without any qualms.
If you dont want to have sex, please dont condemn those having. Its a free world.

she had other reason not sex bro.

hmm

Ontarget:
Some righteous or church people on this forum wouldn't stop pushing us to abstain from sex till marriage. They always give reasons like: It is a sin and the bible says so so and so. But they wouldn't tell us how to overcome the challenges that comes with abstaining till marriage these days. I agree that sex after marriage is the best solution to curb STDs and unwanted pregnancies but achieving such in the midst of some resisting factors appears to be an uphill task.

Apart from the sexual urges we have to deal with all through the period of abstaining we seem to forget to ask ourselves a certain question. And the question is: WHEN WILL YOU GET MARRIED AND FINALLY HAVE THAT SEX? Marriage in a country like Naija doesn't come cheap especially for the guys. The guys are expected to have a fat bank account first before thinking of marriage. Unfortunately some guys will be unlucky to get that kind of fat bank account at age 45 no matter how hard they have worked. Some ladies will clock 45 and still no signs of a husband coming close. If we must abstain from sex till marriage are we really going to abstain till old age if conditions are not favourable to get marriage? Is there a maximum limit to wait? What happens if you will never get married due to bad luck? Does it mean you will abstain from sex till death? If actually it was CERTAIN that everybody would be getting married at about 25 years old then it would make valid sense for people to wait till marriage.

Secondly, I think insisting on sex till marriage can cause another issue that most of us don't even think about. Due to the excitement of having sex for the first time and all that urge, someone who has been abstaining from sex can easily be tempted and decide to get married unprepared just to have sex to know how it feels. The outcome of this is that marriage crashes due to this unreadiness and kids will be brought to the world to suffer especially when the couple weren't financially ready. I have come across some folks here advising people to get married rather than have sex before marriage. Is it better to get married because of sex and the marriage crashes soon afterwards or is better to have PROTECTED sex before marriage and avoid the suffering a collapsed marriage? If you feel sex before marriage will take you to hell then it means everyone on this planet will end up in hell cos we are all sinning in different ways.

Contributions please.

Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?

Job 38:2

Sex is physiological need too, Abraham Maslow listed sex among physiological needs along with clothing, shelter, food in his hierarchy of needs.

AgapeCharis:
Water is a physiological need for the body.
Food is also a need of the body to keep it going

Sex is not!

Ontarget:
Some righteous or church people on this forum wouldn't stop pushing us to abstain from sex till marriage. They always give reasons like: It is a sin and the bible says so so and so. But they wouldn't tell us how to overcome the challenges that comes with abstaining till marriage these days. I agree that sex after marriage is the best solution to curb STDs and unwanted pregnancies but achieving such in the midst of some resisting factors appears to be an uphill task.

Apart from the sexual urges we have to deal with all through the period of abstaining we seem to forget to ask ourselves a certain question. And the question is: WHEN WILL YOU GET MARRIED AND FINALLY HAVE THAT SEX? Marriage in a country like Naija doesn't come cheap especially for the guys. The guys are expected to have a fat bank account first before thinking of marriage. Unfortunately some guys will be unlucky to get that kind of fat bank account at age 45 no matter how hard they have worked. Some ladies will clock 45 and still no signs of a husband coming close. If we must abstain from sex till marriage are we really going to abstain till old age if conditions are not favourable to get marriage? Is there a maximum limit to wait? What happens if you will never get married due to bad luck? Does it mean you will abstain from sex till death? If actually it was CERTAIN that everybody would be getting married at about 25 years old then it would make valid sense for people to wait till marriage.

Secondly, I think insisting on sex till marriage can cause another issue that most of us don't even think about. Due to the excitement of having sex for the first time and all that urge, someone who has been abstaining from sex can easily be tempted and decide to get married unprepared just to have sex to know how it feels. The outcome of this is that marriage crashes due to this unreadiness and kids will be brought to the world to suffer especially when the couple weren't financially ready. I have come across some folks here advising people to get married rather than have sex before marriage. Is it better to get married because of sex and the marriage crashes soon afterwards or is better to have PROTECTED sex before marriage and avoid the suffering a collapsed marriage? If you feel sex before marriage will take you to hell then it means everyone on this planet will end up in hell cos we are all sinning in different ways.

Contributions please.

Keep justifying yourself. #smh

H

uboma:



Is pre-marital sex adultery? Read up the meaning from a dictionary.

Pre marital sex is called fornication

AZeD1:

That exactly is the point, if it can go bad anytime even though you "test", whats the point of testing? Why not take word of the manufacturer?


Lots of people who have sex before marriage still have sexual problems in marriage. If i am to wager a bet, it would majority of the people who have sexual problems in marriages tested before they married.

on point, if u marry a virgin,she will think ur the best in bed bcus she has not tested another man. The problem is mostly from those ones that hv slept wt different men, their husband might not be as good as some of her previous lovers and thus the sexual problems.

msmon:
Sex is physiological need too, Abraham Maslow listed sex among physiological needs along with clothing, shelter, food in his hierarchy of needs.

Do your research and reason it out. Sex is not.

seedord247:
I keep asking them the same thing... Where in the bible did they talk about premarital sex ?...

If i'm a product i need to test it and see how efficient it will work if i decided to take it home..

...n if it doesn't work? stup!d reason. mtchewww.

ireneidiva:

Number 1, if you die without having sex, so what? What kind of dumb reason is that!
Number 2, anybody that marries because of sex is still a kid.sex before marriage will definately take you to hell adn so will other things like creating this kind of thread too. Sin is sin!

bullshit

I don't buy your reasons for not abstaining.

seedord247:
I keep asking them the same thing... Where in the bible did they talk about premarital sex ?...

If i'm a product i need to test it and see how efficient it will work if i decided to take it home..

And wouldn't you have exhausted its efficiency before taking it home

AgapeCharis:
Do your research and reason it out. Sex is not.

sex is a physiological need. U get sexual urge at some point due to some hormonal n neurotransmitter surge in d brian. for men, they start hving penile erections n female start hving vaginal sensations n become lubricated. At that point sex becomes a physiologial need that doesnt require an urgent attention unlike when u r pressed with urine etc

Theodarl:
sex is a physiological need. U get sexual urge at some point due to some hormonal n neurotransmitter surge in d brian. for men, they start hving penile erections n female start hving vaginal sensations n become lubricated.

And if you don't satisfy the urge will you die?

That's why I said it's not a physiological need.

msmon:
I agree with u on the diff betwn fornication and adultery but I hope u will agree with me that both are illegal.
Here are proofs from the Quran both fornication and adultery is a sin:

"And come not near unto adultery. Lo! it is an abomination and an evil way"(Al-Isra’ 17: 32).

"And those who invoke not any other god along
with Allah, nor kill such life as Allah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse (zina) and whoever does this shall receive the punishment. The torment will be doubled to him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace; except those who repent and believe and do righteous deeds, for those Allah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allah is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful."
(al Furqaan #25, ayat #68-70)

And I think Jesus spoke about adultery somewhere in the bible (in mathew), can't remember the chapter and verse.

Ephesians 5 vs 3

When will this religious fanatics be emancipated?

Fornication is not premarital sex for Heavens sake. Premarital sex is okay ANd normal. It is not a sin for the unmarried to have sex with the unmarried.

God simply told us to pay her dowry when it happens. That's all.

I am not ready for debates tonight.

ReLaTE:
on point, if u marry a virgin,she will think ur the best in bed bcus she has not tested another man. The problem is mostly from those ones that hv slept wt different men, their husband might not be as good as some of her previous lovers and thus the sexual problems.

to add to my post,,,,.assuming i hv never driven a Range Rover SUV bt am driving a Rav4 Toyota, I wl never believe that Range Rover has a better handling and comfort until i drives it. I will then made up my mind to buy a Range rover bt before then,I was comfortable wt my Rav4.
So,its better not to taste at all than keep on looking for more after testing.
My point is that being a virgin bf marriage is very good bt if u cnt keep it, stick wt only ur fiance.

AgapeCharis:
1Thess 4:3-5: For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that you should abstain from fornication: that every one of you should know how to possess his vessel (body) in sanctification and honour; not in the just of concupiscence, even as the gentiler which know not God.


acts 15:20: But we write to them, that they abstain from pollutions me idols, and from fornication....

1Cor6:13: "... Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body"

Eph 5:3: But fornication, and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints


I guess that's enough

msmon:
I agree with u on the diff betwn fornication and adultery but I hope u will agree with me that both are illegal.
Here are proofs from the Quran both fornication and adultery is a sin:
"And come not near unto adultery. Lo! it is an abomination and an evil way"(Al-Isra’ 17: 32).
"And those who invoke not any other god along
with Allah, nor kill such life as Allah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse (zina) and whoever does this shall receive the punishment. The torment will be doubled to him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace; except those who repent and believe and do righteous deeds, for those Allah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allah is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful."
(al Furqaan #25, ayat #68-70)
And I think Jesus spoke about adultery somewhere in the bible (in mathew), can't remember the chapter and verse.

jmoore:

A- 1 Corinthians 6:18 - Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
B- 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...
C- Galatians 5:19-21 - Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness
D- Heb. 13:4, "Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge."

thanks