Henry120:


Guy, you begged the french for help. I posted 3 Reuters articles to prove this fact.

You sent no reinforcements, this is a fact, and no systems were deployed as QRF.

Your Generals are incompetent, and you have no institution in place to check their cowardice.

Begged the French for what?

Pictures are available of Gripens and Rooivalks, also Ugandans officers were quoted say saffers are massing troops and equipment in entebe.

SA Generals fought all over SADC.

EVarn:
story for the gods.

My student has nothing to counter.

MikeCZAR:
My student has nothing to counter.

if i counter,you will simply counter with false opinion and then run away.there is no point countering.

EVarn:
if i counter,you will simply counter with false opinion and then run away.there is no point countering.

It not opinion. It is fact.

andrewza:

It not opinion. It is fact.

prove it then.
wait,even your proof comes from government censored propaganda media outlets.so whats the point?

EVarn:
prove it then.
wait,even your proof comes from government censored propaganda media outlets.so whats the point?

South African government propergander? From the SANDF?

I wish. Fact is how media has nothing but negative reports on us. I mean lots of stories about our sub being in the shed. None of it being at sea.

andrewza:


South African government propergander? From the SANDF?

I wish. Fact is how media has nothing but negative reports on us. I mean lots of stories about our sub being in the shed. None of it being at sea.

its true,you only have one operational sub,but even then,it has a short circuit battery,you can barely power your single sub!

Interesting Read.



[b]Spy Cables expose how theft of SA missile technology was 'covered up'

Cape Town – A secret Israeli spy cable has exposed an alleged cover up surrounding the theft of South African missile technology, according to cables in Al Jazeera’s possession.
On Monday the news organisation announced that it was in possession of leaked documents from State Security Agency (SSA) operatives showing how South Africa became vulnerable to foreign espionage after the end of apartheid.
The cables, obtained by Al Jazeera, span a period from 2006 to the end of 2014, and include detailed briefings and analyses written by the operatives.
Al Jazeera is set to start releasing the documents to the world on Monday evening.


In one of the document, obtained by Al Jazeera’s Investigative unit, it reveals how SA spies hid the fact that Israel had obtained stolen weapon plans.
According to one of the cables two men were caught red-handed trying to sell stolen missile blueprints, software and components from Denel.
Police launched a sting operation, posed as Russian buyers, and made their arrests outside Johannesburg in 2010.
Somehow, Israel’s Mossad had got hold of the anti-tank missile blueprints. It sparked a behind the scenes battle between the two nations spies.
South Africa wanted the blueprints back, which Israel agreed to provided that a citizen, Yitzhak Talia, would not be prosecuted, the cable shows.
He was not and it appears South Africa covered up Israel’s involvement and got its blueprints back.
Two men were tried without any mention of Israel’s secret role.
The SSA’s spokesperson Brian Dube told News24 the agency was aware of “this project”.
“Our policy that regulates the management of all classified documentation remains in place. That is all really that we can say.”

News24 had contacted the Israeli Ambassador for comment, but was told by his secretary that until he had seen the documents, he is in no position to comment.[/b]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m775Ve5x31o&sns=em


Beegeagle.


30mm bursts from NAF MI-35HIND E helicopter.

EVarn:
its true,you only have one operational sub,but even then,it has a short circuit battery,you can barely power your single sub!

Dreaming as always.

Henry120:

Interesting Read.



[b]Spy Cables expose how theft of SA missile technology was 'covered up'

Cape Town – A secret Israeli spy cable has exposed an alleged cover up surrounding the theft of South African missile technology, according to cables in Al Jazeera’s possession.
On Monday the news organisation announced that it was in possession of leaked documents from State Security Agency (SSA) operatives showing how South Africa became vulnerable to foreign espionage after the end of apartheid.
The cables, obtained by Al Jazeera, span a period from 2006 to the end of 2014, and include detailed briefings and analyses written by the operatives.
Al Jazeera is set to start releasing the documents to the world on Monday evening.


In one of the document, obtained by Al Jazeera’s Investigative unit, it reveals how SA spies hid the fact that Israel had obtained stolen weapon plans.
According to one of the cables two men were caught red-handed trying to sell stolen missile blueprints, software and components from Denel.
Police launched a sting operation, posed as Russian buyers, and made their arrests outside Johannesburg in 2010.
Somehow, Israel’s Mossad had got hold of the anti-tank missile blueprints. It sparked a behind the scenes battle between the two nations spies.
South Africa wanted the blueprints back, which Israel agreed to provided that a citizen, Yitzhak Talia, would not be prosecuted, the cable shows.
He was not and it appears South Africa covered up Israel’s involvement and got its blueprints back.
Two men were tried without any mention of Israel’s secret role.
The SSA’s spokesperson Brian Dube told News24 the agency was aware of “this project”.
“Our policy that regulates the management of all classified documentation remains in place. That is all really that we can say.”

News24 had contacted the Israeli Ambassador for comment, but was told by his secretary that until he had seen the documents, he is in no position to comment.[/b]

You only steal what's good. So far they have not avtualy revealed any truly shocking piece of news.

Henry120:

Interesting Read.



[b]Spy Cables expose how theft of SA missile technology was 'covered up'

Cape Town – A secret Israeli spy cable has exposed an alleged cover up surrounding the theft of South African missile technology, according to cables in Al Jazeera’s possession.
On Monday the news organisation announced that it was in possession of leaked documents from State Security Agency (SSA) operatives showing how South Africa became vulnerable to foreign espionage after the end of apartheid.
The cables, obtained by Al Jazeera, span a period from 2006 to the end of 2014, and include detailed briefings and analyses written by the operatives.
Al Jazeera is set to start releasing the documents to the world on Monday evening.


In one of the document, obtained by Al Jazeera’s Investigative unit, it reveals how SA spies hid the fact that Israel had obtained stolen weapon plans.
According to one of the cables two men were caught red-handed trying to sell stolen missile blueprints, software and components from Denel.
Police launched a sting operation, posed as Russian buyers, and made their arrests outside Johannesburg in 2010.
Somehow, Israel’s Mossad had got hold of the anti-tank missile blueprints. It sparked a behind the scenes battle between the two nations spies.
South Africa wanted the blueprints back, which Israel agreed to provided that a citizen, Yitzhak Talia, would not be prosecuted, the cable shows.
He was not and it appears South Africa covered up Israel’s involvement and got its blueprints back.
Two men were tried without any mention of Israel’s secret role.
The SSA’s spokesperson Brian Dube told News24 the agency was aware of “this project”.
“Our policy that regulates the management of all classified documentation remains in place. That is all really that we can say.”

News24 had contacted the Israeli Ambassador for comment, but was told by his secretary that until he had seen the documents, he is in no position to comment.[/b]

. Old news!

The bloke tried to sell Mokopa missile chips to certain countries not Israel but was arrested.

But it is normal China steal military tech from everyone, it is not a unique thing.

EVarn:
its true,you only have one operational sub,but even then,it has a short circuit battery,you can barely power your single sub!

If SAN deploys its submarines at sea simultaneously the platforms will have to undergo refit or maintenance at the same time, leaving the navy with no sub-surface capability until refit is complete.

With that cleared. They are rotated.

1. One operational at sea.(Possible it might have shadowed your vessel )
2.One use for training crews.
3. One undergoing refit and maintenance in dry dock.

New battery cells were shipped from Germany.

A single sub can cause great havoc at sea.

andrewza:


You only steal what's good. So far they have not avtualy revealed any truly shocking piece of news.

Not quite. It's shocking to most of us, seeing that we are seeing this piece of news for the first time.

Despite your government's "brouhaha" with Israel in the open, your spy agency deals extensively with the mossad.

MikeCZAR:
. Old news!

The bloke tried to sell Mokopa missile chips to certain countries not Israel but was arrested.

But it is normal China steal military tech from everyone, it is not a unique thing.

Not really. Your spy agency is a western lackey like i've always suspected.

Blue prints are stolen all the time, there actually isn't any proof from the released cables which show the chinese were involved.


The mossad stole your blueprint, and still pressurised your government into releasing their Agent in your custody for the chip.

Msauza:


Dreaming as always.

no counter?

MikeCZAR:
If SAN deploys its submarines at sea simultaneously the platforms will have to undergo refit or maintenance at the same time, leaving the navy with no sub-surface capability until refit is complete.
With that cleared. They are rotated.
1. One operational at sea.(Possible it might have shadowed your vessel )
2.One use for training crews.
3. One undergoing refit and maintenance in dry dock.
New battery cells were shipped from Germany.A single sub can cause great havoc at sea.

shadowed our vessel?,mumu.what you typed is basically what i said,so your point is?

south african rats on this thread can jonz all they want but it will not change that fact that militarily, Nigeria is superior and more reapected.
even the most powerful military in Africa knows who to call on first when sh1t hits the fan

In the same vein, the Egyptian Ambassador to Nigeria, Mr. Ashrat Salama, has called on Nigeria and the Africa Union (AU) to collaborate against the terrorist group, Islamic State and ensure the establishment of a multi-national force against it.
Salama particularly noted that it was necessary for Nigeria to
work with Egypt to combat the terrorist group because both nations are not far from each other. Both nations, he added, could also lead the call for a multi- national force on the continent as powerful voices in the AU.
www.thisdaylive.com/articles/central-african-leaders-rally-africa-against-boko-haram/202597/

like i always say, Nigeria has been leading and fighting for Africa when SA was still struggling for identity. and the reputation still stands.

stillchris:
south african rats on this thread can jonz all they want but it will not change that fact that militarily, Nigeria is superior and more reapected.
even the most powerful military in Africa knows who to call on first when sh1t hits the fan
In the same vein, the Egyptian Ambassador to Nigeria, Mr. Ashrat Salama, has called on Nigeria and the Africa Union (AU) to collaborate against the terrorist group, Islamic State and ensure the establishment of a multi-national force against it.
Salama particularly noted that it was necessary for Nigeria to
work with Egypt to combat the terrorist group because both nations are not far from each other. Both nations, he added, could also lead the call for a multi- national force on the continent as powerful voices in the AU.
www.thisdaylive.com/articles/central-african-leaders-rally-africa-against-boko-haram/202597/
like i always say, Nigeria has been leading and fighting for Africa when SA was still struggling for identity. and the reputation still stands.

On the contrary, it is the Nigerian military - and not Africa - that has called for help from others.

But I like your spirit.

Henry120:


Not quite. It's shocking to most of us, seeing that we are seeing this piece of news for the first time.

Despite your government's "brouhaha" with Israel in the open, your spy agency deals extensively with the mossad.

We where conducting deals with the anc during the 1980s to and there was open hostilities. All so we still prety close to israle no matter what the ANC says.

Henry120:

Interesting Read.



[b]Spy Cables expose how theft of SA missile technology was 'covered up'

Cape Town – A secret Israeli spy cable has exposed an alleged cover up surrounding the theft of South African missile technology, according to cables in Al Jazeera’s possession.
On Monday the news organisation announced that it was in possession of leaked documents from State Security Agency (SSA) operatives showing how South Africa became vulnerable to foreign espionage after the end of apartheid.
The cables, obtained by Al Jazeera, span a period from 2006 to the end of 2014, and include detailed briefings and analyses written by the operatives.
Al Jazeera is set to start releasing the documents to the world on Monday evening.


In one of the document, obtained by Al Jazeera’s Investigative unit, it reveals how SA spies hid the fact that Israel had obtained stolen weapon plans.
According to one of the cables two men were caught red-handed trying to sell stolen missile blueprints, software and components from Denel.
Police launched a sting operation, posed as Russian buyers, and made their arrests outside Johannesburg in 2010.
Somehow, Israel’s Mossad had got hold of the anti-tank missile blueprints. It sparked a behind the scenes battle between the two nations spies.
South Africa wanted the blueprints back, which Israel agreed to provided that a citizen, Yitzhak Talia, would not be prosecuted, the cable shows.
He was not and it appears South Africa covered up Israel’s involvement and got its blueprints back.
Two men were tried without any mention of Israel’s secret role.
The SSA’s spokesperson Brian Dube told News24 the agency was aware of “this project”.
“Our policy that regulates the management of all classified documentation remains in place. That is all really that we can say.”

News24 had contacted the Israeli Ambassador for comment, but was told by his secretary that until he had seen the documents, he is in no position to comment.[/b]

The world is full of stories of theft and attempted theft of technology. If anything, this is an endorsement of this technology. Missile technology worth stealing - very nice.

MikeCZAR:
My student has nothing to counter.

As always...

DieVluit:


To the contrary, it is the Nigerian military - and not Africa - that has called for help from others.

But I like your spirit.

and how has this changed the topic of my post? strawman alert!!!

Henry120:


Not really. Your spy agency is a western lackey like i've always suspected.

Blue prints are stolen all the time, there actually isn't any proof from the released cables which show the chinese were involved.


The mossad stole your blueprint, and still pressurised your government into releasing their Agent in your custody for the chip.

Actually it was sold to him by the thiefs. SASS tracked it down to mossad. A deal was then made.

stillchris:

please, be kind to yourself and prove you comment above. this will be fun

1. Chad
2. Niger
3. Cameroon.
4. South African mercenaries,

To name but a few.

All proven and undeniable. There's nothing new that you can say in response that we have not heard and dismissed already.

stillchris:


and how has this changed the topic of my post? strawman alert!!!

In a big way. If you claim Nigeria is respected and that Africa runs to Nigeria for help, it is a huuuuuge dent to your post that it is in fact Nigeria that has run to Africa for help.

Keep dreaming though.

EVarn:
its true,you only have one operational sub,but even then,it has a short circuit battery,you can barely power your single sub!

Nope it revieved a complet refit. Brand new batteries pained for by the supplier.

DieVluit:


1. Chad
2. Niger
3. Cameroon.
4. South African mercenaries,

To name but a few.

All proven and undeniable.

hahahahahaha... aside from the phantom mercineries propaganda(which is the only way SA knows how to intervene in international matters), how does compelling neighbors to protect their borders compare to calling on a far neighbor to join a fight in your backyard?

the most powerful military in Africa has called for help and we shall answer. too bad SA is irrelevant at times like these.

stillchris:

hahahahahaha... aside from the phantom mercineries propaganda(which is the only way SA knows how to intervene in international matters), how does compelling neighbors to protect their borders compare to calling on a far neighbor to join a fight in your backyard?
the most powerful military in Africa has called for help and we shall answer. too bad SA is irrelevant at times like these.

Facts are facts buddy.

http://www.naij.com/385027-nigeria-seeks-help-from-chad-in-fighting-boko-haram.html

Nigeria Seeks Help From Chad In Fighting Boko Haram

READ MORE: http://www.naij.com/385027-nigeria-seeks-help-from-chad-in-fighting-boko-haram.html


I like your spirit, however. It is good to dream...

DieVluit:


In a big way. If you claim Nigeria is respected and that Africa runs to Nigeria for help, it is a huuuuuge dent to your post that it is in fact Nigeria that has run to Africa for help.

Keep dreaming though.

not a dream son. US rallied round to get support to fight most of it's wars till date but it remains a US war. Nigeria pressurized AU to support a regional effort to combat a cross border terror group and Africa yielded. there is no dent on my post. Egypt has publicly asked Nigeria for help and we shall respond. i know the thought of it will cause you so much butthurt.

that my dear boy, is diplomatic power. Egypt wants to learn from us and we shall assist them because that's what we do.

stillchris:

not a dream son. US rallied round to get support to fight most of it's wars till date but it remains a US war. Nigeria pressurized AU to support a regional effort to combat a cross border terror group and Africa yielded. there is no dent on my post. Egypt has publicly asked Nigeria for help and we shall respond. i know the thought of it will cause you so much butthurt.
that my dear boy, is diplomatic power. Egypt wants to learn from us and we shall assist them because that's what we do.

Simple facts, my outtie.

Nigeria says needs Cameroon's help to fight Boko Haram

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/07/us-cameroon-nigeria-idUSBRE9A60S620131107

I like the dreams. Nothing as beautiful as a pointed link.

1. Has Nigeria asked for help from Africa?

2. Why, but yes it has.