eazeefix:

The original question was if pig waste was suitable as manure not a comparison between pig and poultry manure so your response was sort of telling us to look for poultry waste instead. Cow manure is inferior to poultry's (the best ) but farmers use it with excellent results.

bro d quote above is what can be presume what raise your discuss, let me start with a parable; a man asked if a substance is useful & no response from anyone yet, then someone profer a better source to d question & even answered that d presume substance in quote is ok, have d man answering d question err?, from what i wrote, i only enlighten d bro/sis asking the question without any bias or a pointer to going for poultry(was an open option). Note : all manure can aid growth, but they are more effective/efficient than d other

eazeefix:

Which manure does not have health challenges if not properly handled? You are a respected commentator on NL with large following such statement will create fear that pig manure has higher health risks than others.
Zoonosis, also called zoonotic disease refers to diseases that can be passed from animals, whether wild or domesticated, to humans.
Kindly share with us how pig manure is more of a risk than other farm yard manure

bro i also respect other commentators/brethen on NL, we learn from one another & likewise benefit (symbosis), why fear? Indeed every manure has it health challenges like every work has its risk, if not handled /manage right. Zoonotic pathogens exist in most if not all mature, majority of this microbes aint zoonotic in nature, but bacterial, viral, parasitc diseases can never be exempted,such challenges can be overcome by control of manure application by farmers, Note : the eggs present in feaces of pig with roundworm, ascaris s., e.tc can easily be ingested from gardens (that is why i stated garden from d above writeup), some of those zoonotic pathogens have a high survival time of 100 days, even more in d soil and you know veg have short planting season. Lets do it this way, lets educate our buyers to wash their veg well and careful to wash their hands

I am a pig farmer and have invested heavily in it permit me to defend it when comments that portray it in bad light is shared. Earlier in this thread someone claimed pork was fatty and therefore inferior to other meat I stood up my beloved pork.
Food is a very sensitive issue people respond differently and some over react. I was a poultry farmer I know what farmers went through during the 2006 bird flu saga. The sun newspaper had a screaming headline "Eat chicken and die" so you can imagine the ripple effect of that stunt.
Little children have been taught to wash all fruits before eating.
So my summary is that there is nothing special zooniotically (I formed it :-) ) about pig poo.
This forum should promote ethical pig production well produced pigs do not transmit worms.

Not to derail this thread exclesoir na my oga so let's move on.
Can we discuss cannibalism in nursing pigs. I read it is common in first time gilts has anyone been able to overcome it?
My obj landrance ate 5 of her 8 piglets I have mated her again and I no want take chances.

eazeefix:
Not to derail this thread exclesoir na my oga so let's move on.
Can we discuss cannibalism in nursing pigs. I read it is common in first time gilts has anyone been able to overcome it?
My obj landrance ate 5 of her 8 piglets I have mated her again and I no want take chances.

Thanks for " bringing the thread back to what we should focus on.

On your subject, there could be alot of factors, How old was the gilts, when she became pregnants? I always tell people, pigs are exactly like human beings, a 13year old girl, can give birth.. but is she matured enough to handle it? the way a 13yr old girl will take care of a baby will be diffrent from the way a 25year will handle a baby, its the same principle most times, some people mate "growers" i call them growers based on weight and age ( mostly weight ). they have a 40kg " grower which is 8months old due to lots of factors ( breed, feed, management etc). and expect her to be able to take care of the piglets when born..

South africa will never cross a gilts until shes minimum of 9months and 110kgs; i will say in Nigeria, atleast achieve 80kg before you do cross..

some do it for a 50kg " grower" and get lucky, but i will always recommend that you rather wait for 80kg, than u let the poor grower go thru pregnancy.

eazeefix:
Not to derail this thread exclesoir na my oga so let's move on.
Can we discuss cannibalism in nursing pigs. I read it is common in first time gilts has anyone been able to overcome it?
My obj landrance ate 5 of her 8 piglets I have mated her again and I no want take chances.

bro, no blame political followers when dem dey defend their own(laugh), am not your oga, we all learn from each other. Now to pork biz, u can prevent such by initially keeping d nursing sows in nursing crates or pens( it allows d piglets move in & out, but prevent d sows from reaching them, more importantly dont underfeed d nursing ones. For your investment, No fear sir

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The gilt was approx 8 months old and toped 70kg at the time of mating. Deija(I prefer Deji joor) your comment brings up another important issue of relevance of weight in breeding animals in the tropics. I read in a book on pig production in the tropics that large gilts and sows are important due to heat and all. I get my best results from my big sows I have adopted 60-70kg as weight @ first mating after an awful experience with 40kg(bad advice from a senior who visited my farm)
Can experienced farmer shed more light on this?
Farrowing crate fabrication will start on Monday.

i am very proud of his forum,all having being said,animals remain animal,one there is what is call behavioural attitude ,just like human ;when your animal feeds on their piglet the origin start from tail bitten to prevent such animal you need to have a farrow create and feed your animal at the right time.may be they are used to eat early and get on the next available food,watch your if they are fed ,they calm down and relax but if nothing you see them un-relaxed.

eazeefix:
Not to derail this thread exclesoir na my oga so let's move on.
Can we discuss cannibalism in nursing pigs. I read it is common in first time gilts has anyone been able to overcome it?
My obj landrance ate 5 of her 8 piglets I have mated her again and I no want take chances.

were is your farm and how much did you buy your landrace@eazeefix

eazeefix:
The gilt was approx 8 months old and toped 70kg at the time of mating. Deija(I prefer Deji joor) your comment brings up another important issue of relevance of weight in breeding animals in the tropics. I read in a book on pig production in the tropics that large gilts and sows are important due to heat and all. I get my best results from my big sows I have adopted 60-70kg as weight @ first mating after an awful experience with 40kg(bad advice from a senior who visited my farm)
Can experienced farmer shed more light on this?
Farrowing crate fabrication will start on Monday.

Eefosa1: Also said it all.

we cant say specifically the cause, but most times it is when the gilts/sow is too young, since you said , your was matured enough, it could also be feed quality, stress, maybe she wasnt well taken care of.. ( Post natal depression). But most times the sow are too young.
she should go on heat in another 35days, mate her again and see what happens.

Mating at 40kg, i think is "child abuse"( young pig abuse).

I think mine was bad management of the gilt and feed too. Learnt my lesson next time I will not be too far from the farm.
@ Efosa I bought the landrace for 30k each @ 12 weeks old from obj farms Ota.

alright bro ,i might check in but that is bit expensive for 12weeks;baba no get poor man livestock

please house why is large white breed very selective,i just got one and due to transportation stress, i gave ironiii ,multivamin,and LA,i observed slugglish attiutude ,i decided to mingle with other breed ,come see serious fight i need to seperate them and left some before getting home the animal is very week,i need to call vet for proper medical treatment but d animal dont eat cassava peel but they rush fresh bread,i put cabbage not acceptable,i want to know best feed for this breed

Eefosa1:
please house why is large white breed very selective,i just got one and due to transportation stress, i gave ironiii ,multivamin,and LA,i observed slugglish attiutude ,i decided to mingle with other breed ,come see serious fight i need to seperate them and left some before getting home the animal is very week,i need to call vet for proper medical treatment but d animal dont eat cassava peel but they rush fresh bread,i put cabbage not acceptable,i want to know best feed for this breed

Bro,

Ask, where you bought it, what they feed it before you got it.

You cant feed broilers .. local chicken feed, ( Guinea corn) and expect it to eat it o!. Ajebutter wont drink Garri as dinner.

bros na cassava peel i see wey them give her;even the owner need money for feed ,i surprise wen the animalreach my place he enjoy swimming pool but after then change of character

dejia:


Bro,

Ask, where you bought it, what they feed it before you got it.

You cant feed broilers .. local chicken feed, ( Guinea corn) and expect it to eat it o!. Ajebutter wont drink Garri as dinner.

funny bro! Bt just dt d hunger never hammar am, just joking. Just like man some pigs are selective dts why i prefer to breed on my farm. On issue of young gilt conceiving wc u referred to as child abuse, many of us small scale piggery farmers are guilty of this, bt wt good mgt they do fine.

omode2:
funny bro! Bt just dt d hunger never hammar am, just joking. Just like man some pigs are selective dts why i prefer to breed on my farm. On issue of young gilt conceiving wc u referred to as child abuse, many of us small scale piggery farmers are guilty of this, bt wt good mgt they do fine.

you nova invite me to your farm?

were is ur farm, i live in ayetoro itele road

excel,pls how can you send me water melon seed

Boss in da house,pls where can i get healthy piglet(weaners)of different breed @ cheaper rate?at least 10.NB 6 of which dat av high productivity value and remainin 4 dat is profitable,ayotunde(archjoe1) frm fiditi near oyo town

excelsiorfarm:
you nova invite me to your farm?

Bro it still emerging dts why its coded. Bt do u still come around?

omode2:
Bro it still emerging dts why its coded. Bt do u still come around?

it has been a while bro, all my biz/ all am responsible to, we conclude via phone, dont worry if our bro becomes govnor, he said he will focus on agric(laugh), it is well

lagbaja:
I am into pig farming. Pig farming is one of the most lucrative arms of animal farming. Pigs are highly prolific, giving birth to an average of 10 piglets per farrow. Typically a pig farrows 2.5 times in a year. So in a year, a pig can give birth to about 25 piglets.

The biggest variable cost component in pig farming is feed cost. It accounts for about 70% of the total cost. Your ability to source your feed in a manner that is most cost effective is your success determinant. Typically, pigs have FCR in the range between 2 and 4 depending on the breed and on the feed formulation. FCR means feed conversion ratio. It is a measure of how much kg of feed an animal will eat to produce 1kg of live weight.

This the is formula I adopt for my pigs

60% of cassava ( I buy them Fresh, break them into chips, dry and store them)
30% pkc
6% blood meal
2.5%. Oyster shell/bone meal/ lime stone
0.25% lysine
0.25% methionine
0.5% salt
0.25% premix
0.03% (3g per 1kg bakers Yeast) ( probiotic)

The above feed formulation will cost you about N30 per kilo. 1kg of live pig is sold for between N280 and N300. If your pig consumes 3kg of feed to give 1 kg of meat, It means that it will cost you N90 to produce 1kg of live weight. Therefore you make a gross margin of N300 - N90= N210.

The other component of pig farming that is capital intensive is their housing. Pig housing has to be properly planed according to the number of pigs you intend to grow. You need to decide whether you want to do batch or continuos pig production.

The biggest pig farm in west Africa is at oke aro , Agege. Another one is at Gberigbe Ikorodu. Accomodation costs at this locations are very high. I will advice you to site your pig pen close to where you can get cheap land and source raw materials at low price. Eg cassava plantations.

Technology application will greatly hep you in your pig farming. Fr example using, pig ni.ppl.es (see picture below) will ensure that you deliver constant and clean water to your pigs , it will also reduce labor requirements. You also need to construct a manure allay within your pig house so that when they poo poo, you can flush it away via the manure allay ( the manure allay is like a gutter).

hello, ur write up is insightful. pls drop ur number want us to talk more beta.

dejia:
Hi Guys,

Sorry i have been off the trend lately.
let me quickly answer some of those who sent me personal messages

@ fayahsoul: No., A.I is diff, we inseminate them with semens, i will try and post some of the pictures of me in the process; you can also google it

@ Konnet: My farm is at Laduba ( towards Afon); am based in SA, but come to the farm monthly, i will be in 9ja in 3weeks, will prefer you come then, e-mail: deji@fulfillsa.co.za

Read a post on adding yeast to feed, i think i will try it; i have also been experimenting some thing of late, and it seems to be working fine, i have introduced Rice husk ( some feedmill will call it rice bran, but it is husk most times) as 25% of my feed, rice husk at some feedmills in ilorin is N10-N13; i discovered a place, where it is free of charge in Lafiagi, i have used it to as a to lower my cost for my sow and finishers;

My view on buying weaners and fattening: if you do the maths, it is very profitable, because if you can get weaners like u said for N3,500; but i have a diff. view, if you get your sow management right, and you are able to ensure all process is followed, then breeding is more profitable, because you should be able to atleast wean 23 piglets from a sow each year.

Guys,

Can we start a young pig farmers club? I think most of here are young , i think with the club we can achieve alot, the market is huge, i think together we can do more, we can create biggier market, we can expand the market,;few people in nigeria, still see pork has a fatten/ unhealthy meat, they dont know that pork is white meat, healthier than beef or goat meat.
Also, We can collectively look into processing, i think that is the future, at the moment, we still have imported pork coming into Nigeria, because few farms process.We can conveniently sell our pork for twice or thrice what we sell for at the moment, if we process them;
With the club/association, we can have some who specialise in breeding, some in fattening, some can go into A.I, we can negotiate feed prices better, cut out the middle men, who get brewery waste, and sell it to us at high prices, we can go straight to the company, and get it off them in bulk and distribute it.

Just my thought, i dont know if something like that has failed before, if anyone also feels this might not work, i will like to know

I'm interested in the club/association formation.We can work it out. 09090912404 (WhatsApp/sms only). Contact me asap.Thanks

charony:

I'm interested in the club/association formation.We can work it out. 09090912404 (WhatsApp/sms only). Contact me asap.Thanks

Charony,

We have registered the association with CAC, we have also affiliated with a similar association in S.A; to ensure international standard, the website is under construction, when its done , we will post the details here, for those interested to join.

deji good idea i am fully in support ,share idea, bringing cost of feeds at minimal and logistic at equilibrium,our goals and objective should be stated clearly,thank God for technology we can be at the same pace.

Eefosa1:
excel,pls how can you send me water melon seed

where u dey? Is there no agric shops close or in your vicinity? Not to derail this thread, it is for pig farming

excelsiorfarm:
it has been a while bro, all my biz/ all am responsible to, we conclude via phone, dont worry if our bro becomes govnor, he said he will focus on agric(laugh), it is well

yes we hope so, even though i dont believe in some of his approach then to govt, bt hope he will focus on agric esp grants to farmers who knws u might b appointed d commissioner of Agric(Lol).

omode2:
yes we hope so, even though i dont believe in some of his approach then to govt, bt hope he will focus on agric esp grants to farmers who knws u might b appointed d commissioner of Agric(Lol).

the perfect will of God be done in our lives. I also have reservation on his past shortcoming, i pray the Lord choose d best of them all that all will rejoice in d land

excelsiorfarm:
where u dey? Is there no agric shops close or in your vicinity? Not to derail this thread, it is for pig farming

thanks there is none,i thought i could get hybrid seeds from you

Eefosa1:

thanks there is none,i thought i could get hybrid seeds from you

i dont sell seeds, there are hybrid seeds e.g. Technisem e.t.c, if u are in ibadan they have an office close to custom secretariat, if close to ogbomoso, u can get at d agric shop at ahoyaya/caretaker, if close to iyana iba in lagos, those hausa men in d biz of veg farms by d shopping complex by route to igando(no need to cross), just at d junction ask sir