Initially I just wanted to read comments...


I did...


And then I had indigestion...


All I saw were men show casing their debts of ignorance and blind sightedness!


It is understandable for one to say "man made God out of his imagination" but then that reasoning leaves a lot to be desired; where are your facts

It is "reasonable" to say "how would a God after having created humans put before them satan to bring them doo should they falter" intelligent reasoning, but would hold no water in the lights of sound argument.

It is "Logical" to say "God is a spirit with no beginning" because in the light of evidences; evolutionary or science, there has to be a source, a "higher power" behind life as we know it.

It is ultimately stupid to say God does not exist, cause if you did then you are in strong denial

johnydon22:


You see? You are just here to troll... you don't need facts what you need is common sense that makes you believe Donkeys can talk.. now thats really common..

No thank you i'd rather have uncommon sense... now run along if you don't have any argument to present...

Get it back man

An2elect2:

crap. Who believes this rubbish?

Of course you are entitled to your opinion. However, before you discard others opinions as rubbish you have to come up with a better argument yourself. You haven't done that.

Now who's speaking "crap"?

handsome86:
God exists outside of time. Since we live in
a universe of cause and effect, we naturally
assume that this is the only way in which any
kind of existence can function. However, the
premise is false. Without the dimension of time,
there is no cause and effect, and all things that
could exist in such a realm would have no need of
being caused, but would have always existed.
Therefore, God has no need of being created, but,
in fact, created the time dimension of our
universe specifically for a reason - so that cause
and effect would exist for us. However, since God
created time, cause and effect would never apply
to His existence.

This is the answer in the shortest possible way

An2elect2:

If God had an origin, He wouldn't be God!

And he wouldn't have an origin because you wouldn't want it to stop being God...

An2elect2:

If God had an origin, He wouldn't be God!

I'm not surprised to see a response like this from you. Someone already mentioned it earlier that you are devoid of making meaningful contribution.
If this is your argument/response to my comment, then I'm sorry to say that this is an output from a very shallow and hollow reasoning.

oluamid:


Of course you are entitled to your opinion. However, before you discard others opinions as rubbish you have to come up with a better argument yourself. You haven't done that.

Now who's speaking "crap"?

kikikikiki even if all the facts are brought forward, you wouldn't still believe. I read previous posts and i saw sound refutations of your foolish believe.

GerogeI:

This is the answer in the shortest possible way

The question is how did you know that their is something as outside space and time?

Or is it just an assumption you came up with?

what is outside space and time?

You see this space and time crap just proves God(s) are just a product of human wild imagination... Theist can't explain how their God started, then to kill that curiosity comes up with something like 'outside space and time' How did you know?

KingEbukasBlog:

I just copied and pasted this question I asked davien , an atheist , simple questions ... no hard grammar ... he couldn't even reply .. maybe he was not knowledgeable enough to explain . So here it is :

Big bang , accretion of the earth I get . But life , evolution , simple to complex life , and provisions of the requirements to support life ? Hmmm

Now bro , look at male and female sexual organs . The man has a joystick , the female vj , you mean the whatever behind evolution know females needed vjs and males' joysticks for sex and vice versa. I mean a pipe and a hole , [same with other animals ](just added this ). Its a design for Christ sake and not accidental .

Look at fruits , vegetables , water - every animal need these things to survive . Big bang , Evolution knew that all these requirements will be needed all along ?

Now last bullet , what time , space was before the big bang ? The theory does not provide any sort of explanation for the initial conditions of our universe , but just describes it's formation afterwards. So explain

so macof your answers to these questions will give you a brilliant idea of what I meant by God exists outside space and time , I know you are smart , I believe in you

I seriously doubt your claim of having distinctions in your studies. Do you even know what evolution is all about , what assures the survival of species ? Your arguments are juvenile and not what I'd expect from a 12 year old.

An2elect2:


kikikikiki even if all the facts are brought forward, you wouldn't still believe. I read previous posts and i saw sound refutations of your foolish believe.

Then bring it on!. . . the first problem is that you can't even prove the existence of this your sky daddy... Bring it on lets have it..

lolaxavier:


I'm not surprised to see a response like this from you. Someone already mentioned it earlier that you are devoid of making meaningful contribution.
If this is your argument/response to my comment, then I'm sorry to say that this is an output from a very shallow and hollow reasoning.

Crap. You wouldn't still believe!

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that
the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)
said: Men will continue to question one another
till this is propounded: Allah created all things but
who created Allah? He who found himself
confronted with such a situation should seek the refuge of Allah from satan and say: I
affirm my faith in Allah.

johnydon22:


And he wouldn't have an origin because you wouldn't want it to stop being God...

Get it back man

johnydon22:


The question is how did you know that their is something as space and time?

Or is it just an assumption you came up with?

what is outside space and time?

You see this space and time crap just proves God(s) are just a product of human wild imagination... Theist can't explain how their God started, then to kill that curiosity comes up with something like 'outside space and time' How did you know?

When you open your mouth to slot food in, you are dealing with volume- that is space. When you reference the sequence of birth of your siblings that is time. These are such mundane human experiences that I saw no reason to tell you how we all observe them. However, it is a fact that our basic understanding of these sensations break down in the face of advanced physics. That is exactly why Einstein is very popular

Solozzo:


How about the Big Bang? Something must have existed outside space and time that kicked off the expansion and creation of energy, hydrogen , lithium and some beryllium with space and time. Quantum physics adopts some of tge principles that religion talks about. For example existence of energy and particles in two places at the same time; achieve speeds faster than light; come into existence from nothing.

The universe appears disorderly but there us a background of order and purpose. The descriptions of gods and spirits are primitive origins of quantum physics.

the big bang didnt state space was created at the point.....we aren't even sure what space is exactly..if it must contain matter, or be between two objects to be held relevant or existent.
Nobody knws the origin of Energy, it has always been and cant be created or destroyed. the big bang itself was a result of Energy density and high tempereture that triggered the expansion.
Its nt a "creation story" asin creation from nothing but about the origins of the expansive state the universe has become today

OBlaize:



Come up with facts and figures, other wise just blow whistle instead of uttering philosophical mumbo jumbos.

You believe in a god for which you have no proof.

Many of you 'god fearing' types follow religious creeds where you are openly told to rely on 'faith' and not ask questions but you demand that everyone else come up with evidence.

It is for the claimant to show proof of the claim. Otherwise the default position is to dismiss the claim.

You fail to be logical because you (like billions others) have been brainwashed into believing it is your duty to defend the irrational.

An2elect2:


Crap. You wouldn't still believe!

Don't emphatically prove to us that you cannot reason on this matter. You have basically used the word 'crap' in most of your comments which simply means you have no clue as to what meaningful and reasonable response to give. It is not important that you post something.

GerogeI:


When you open your mouth to slot food in, you are dealing with volume- that is space. When you reference the sequence of birth of your siblings that is time. These are such mundane human experiences that I saw no reason to tell you how we all observe them. However, it is a fact that our basic understanding of these sensations break down in the face of advance physics. That is exactly why Einstein is very popular

Yeah i know all this...

you still havent answered my question.

What do you imply by 'Outside space and time?'

How did you know their is such a thing as 'Outside space and time'?

OBlaize:
Initially I just wanted to read comments...


I did...


And then I had indigestion...


All I saw were men show casing their debts of ignorance and blind sightedness!


It is understandable for one to say "man made God out of his imagination" but then that reasoning leaves a lot to be desired; where are your facts

It is "reasonable" to say "how would a God after having created humans put before them satan to bring them doo should they falter" intelligent reasoning, but would hold no water in the lights of sound argument.

It is "Logical" to say "God is a spirit with no beginning" because in the light of evidences; evolutionary or science, there has to be a source, a "higher power" behind life as we know it.

It is ultimately stupid to say God does not exist, cause if you did then you are in strong denial

It isn't "ultimately stupid to say God does not exist" if there are no evidences to the contrary.

There are posts in this thread that have already dealt with the issues of evolution, big bang theory, existence of God, Science and religion. No need reinventing the wheel going over it again.

My submission can be summarised thus: there are no concrete evidences of God's existence outside the "holy books" written by men. If God exists, then he should reveal himself in an unambiguous way. Relying on man's interpretation of God is essentially flawed since man is easily influenced.

Man created God in man's image and not the other way round...until proven otherwise with verifiable "facts" and not conjectures or philosophy.

KingEbukasBlog:


Mr. man u didnt answer my questions and stop beating round the bush , like how the atheists do when they can't answer any question... answer each question and i'l answer yours . I didn't even speak grammar . I didn't even throw questions about occurrences during the geological time scale , and you are giving ridiculous "answers".

testing ko testicles ni ... . Millions of testings made the woman have a vj and a man a joystick ? You will also ask me why men have nipples .So millions of testings also knew man needs sperm because it also discovered the woman has eggs , so new life can be brought forth ?SMH .Whatever you have against Christ is making you talk foolishly

Why don't eskimos have thick skin and very hairy bodies ,they are just like every human . And by the way dailymail just released a new article day before yesterday , revealing more proof of Christ's existence with newly discovered ancient writings . Stay there dey wine yourself . Answer my questions , I answer yours possibly with bible texts. Now do things in a proper way and answer accordingly

Big bang , accretion of the earth I get . But life , evolution , simple to complex life , and provisions of the requirements to support life ? Hmmm

1.Now bro , look at male and female sexual organs . The man has a joystick , the female vj , you mean the whatever behind evolution know females needed vjs and males' joysticks for sex and vice versa. I mean a pipe and a hole , [same with other animals ](just added this ). Its a design for Christ sake and not accidental .

2.Look at fruits , vegetables , water - every animal need these things to survive . Big bang , Evolution knew that all these requirements will be needed all along ?

3.Now last bullet , what time , space was before the big bang ? The theory does not provide any sort of explanation for the initial conditions of our universe , but just describes it's formation afterwards. So explain

You do know some animals change their sex when it is not favourable like in some species of frog , how do you explain this ?

lol makes sense...

johnydon22:


Then bring it on!. . . the first problem is that you can't even prove the existence of this your sky daddy... Bring it on lets have it..

I have no problem You are the one wallowing in deep shit, thats why you keep running up and down the religion section like a troubled dog. Indeed you are!

Go back and read previous posts, they said much and that's something you need to chew.

Arguing with a man who has thrown common sense, is a big waste of brain cells and huge time man.

I love watching you guys make a fool of yourselves!

don't kill the show

An2elect2:


kikikikiki even if all the facts are brought forward, you wouldn't still believe. I read previous posts and i saw sound refutations of your foolish believe.

By "sound refutations" I take it you mean quotes from the Bible, no?

johnydon22:


Yeah i know all this...

you still havent answered my question.

What do you imply by 'Outside space and time?'

How did you know their is such a thing as 'Outside space and time'?

I tried explaining that in my very first post. let me repeat.

1. The definition of time, has been shown to be relative, given that widely far apart points of observation in space yield different sequences of events for supposedly same time interval. Infact this effect of space on time has lead to ideas that it seems all things might have actually occurred already, we are just the ones living them.

2. Advanced physics theories have come to conclusion that things like so called big bang and nature of matter can only be explained if the are about 11 dimensions of physical reality. You and I can only identify three, there is no doubt that their is more! We just do not understand them yet.

An2elect2:


I have no problem You are the one wallowing in deep shit, thats why you keep running up and down the religion section like a troubled dog. Indeed you are!

Go back and read previous posts, they said much and that's something you need to chew.

Arguing with a man who has thrown common sense, is a big waste of brain cells and huge time man.

I love watching you guys make a fool of yourselves!

don't kill the show

lol you really have nothing to contribute, you take arguments personal.. i have nothing left to say to you...

Eh!! Every man should do good and stop arguing about creation and God; because there are reasons to prove existence of God and vice versa. Peace to you all...

KingEbukasBlog:


God created life out of nothing through the spoken word . matter existed in its "spiritual form" , but made physical by His Word .Read up Mormon cosmology for further studies , be smart enough and sieve the part you need to understand what I mean though .

Ok since we are now asking questions ... what existed before the big bang that led to its cause ?Oh wait ... Offcourse emotions( to love , to care , to be sad , happy ) , memory (evolution knows you need to remember past deeds), skill , DNA, the skeletal system , the nervous system( the brain ) , male , female the,.. the man has a joystick ,the woman has the vj (because evolution knew the man has a joystick , so it gave a hole to the woman as the vj for sex , same for other animals too ...woow ) ,the sperm , the egg , the baby forms in a womb !!! mosquito , trees , fruits (cos evolution knows you'll eat , right? ) , vegetables (cos evolution knows you need to be healthy ) , legs (cos it knows you need to get your butt up and walk !!!) , evolution gave you a mouth through which you'll eat the fruits that was part of the process and off course to communicate with other evolved beings which turned out to be humans , nose (oh , cos it knows you'd smell and breath) and it randomly chose oxygen ... I get it , trust me ... its all evolution ... some mistake ...I get it bro ... I get it

i guess u are a member of CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY.

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God has no beginning and no end, he is the word.

“I like your question and may God always make us of those who seek true knowledge to better understand our purpose of this life, Ameen.

This question has to be evaluated on its merits and restated according to Islamic understandings.

First and foremost, Muslims do not compare God to His creation. Therefore, the question can be answered as such due to the fact that God is completely Exalted and far above mortal description; He is not “like” His creation.

God tells us in His Book that He is “As-Samad” (The eternally Besought of all). He is also the “Al-Awwal” (First) and the “Al-’Akhir” (Last) He is without beginning or end. This is how He always was and always is, and always will be, so to speak.

Second, Islam is clear on the issue of asking questions about God, warning people against being influenced by such question which could plant doubt into someone’s mind or drive him away from the Right Path.

Let us consider the Hadith of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) wherein he mentioned that the Shaytan (Satan) will come to you and trouble you with questions like: “Who created this or that?” To which you would logically respond: “God.” Until he would come to the question: “Then who created God?” At which point the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) instructed us to say: “I seek refuge in God from the accursed devil.” And then leave off this train of thought. (Reported by Muslim)

You might also consider similar questions that the enemies of Islam have used for centuries to weaken one’s faith in the existence of God.

To illustrate:

When the disbelievers come to you and ask you if you believe in God, you would logically reply: “Yes.”

Then they would ask you: “Can your God do anything?” You would say: “Yes.”

Then they would ask you: “Can your God make something huge?” You would say: “Of course.”

They would say: “Can your God make something so big that nothing can move it?” Then you would say: “Yes.”

Then they would say: “You mean that your God could make something so big that nothing could ever move it?” Again, you say: “Yes.”

Then they say: “So big that even your God can’t move it?” Now you have a problem.

Either you answer: “Yes.” They will say: “Then that means your God cannot do everything. Because now there is something that your God cannot do. He cannot move the object.”

But if you answer: “No.” They will simply say: “Then this is something that your God cannot do.”

This is a similar problem to the one you have mentioned. This is the idea of a god that is having problems with his own creation. The concept of God in Islam is that He is never compared to His creation. He merely says: “Be.” And it is. So, God does not operate like a human or anyone or anything within His creation. Within the laws of creation is the rule that nothing moves except that there is a fulcrum, a lever and a force. God does not have to use a fulcrum and lever to move anything. One of His attributes is that He is “Al-Qawiyy” (The All Powerful).

So, He is the Power. He does not come under the rules of His creation. He makes the rules. He operates within His own rules; He changes His rules as He pleases, and according to the way He deems fit. That is the understanding of the Muslims.

You can never imagine how relief i am to learn that you don't believe in the reptilians creating or civilizing the black people, what a relief!
though! the reptilians, greys and andromedans exist, they are the younger siblings of the pink man(caucasian), but much more and far more intelligent than the whiteman. all of them together are not intelligent at all compare to the knowledge of the blackman. nothing can outsmart its creator.

As per self-forgetfulness, if you are truely a blackman like you claim, i have experienced how deep you are in forgetfulness which is the same with evil or imitating the evil of the white race without even knowing. You do not know the history of the African traditions you so claim to love, but in fact, in reality, it is your cover face.

Go and play fifa 15 if there aren't some champion league match fixed at the moment.

GooseBaba:


No such thing as self-forgetfulness. Only weak minded people come up with words like that. Anything to justify their shortcomings. Meanwhile, how can you be the prosecutors of the whiteman. Every thing you speak of does not tally with reality. You're not only weak, but you are also running mad.

Reptilians fuvking humans.... african history...!? This is what happens when people " gatiano and co believe fiction as absolute truth/facts... Smh..

Your case is getting worse.. Slippery slope bro,slippery slope... Smh

johnydon22:
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At your pic.
@you do realise God already did plenty for that child,
_ a wonderfully designed body copable of taking in a lot of variety of materials for energy
_ a food storage system incorporated with the body in such unique way
_ ability to fight of diseases and survive
_ senses for defence and delight
_ most importantly ability to create.

The main thing bad about that picture is you and me refusing to do our part
How come such pictures of sufferings only come from a particular part of the world, likely inhabited by a very lazy race of people?