valmunich:
How dumb and clueless is this OP

So every ideology and religion are now synonymous in nature ¿

you have simply expressed your ignorance. present a superior argument and let people decide.

folaski:


you have just spoken like a sociologist of religion. religion is about being obsessed about anything.

I am obsessed with nairaland, so now nairaland is my religion?

WTF do you guys smoke **carrys hand on head**

JediGrace:
Atheists are irreligious

substantiated your claim.

JediGrace:
Atheists are irreligious

substantiate your claim.

johnydon22:


I am obsessed with nairaland, so now nairaland is my religion?

WTF do you guys smoke **carrys hand on head**

LOL.. Same shiii I've been wondering here

Imagine, every idea or belief system one holds turns to his or her religion. How fallacious¿

davien:
Well...If you're a christian...that's what you're bred to believe...
But if you aren't then that statement becomes nonsensical...because the bible is riddled with foolish ideas....like how birds blood could cure leprosy and how stars can be trampled on...

you see, your are defending your belief,your faith your religion. it is nonsensical to you becos you dont belief in wat the guy said. And honestly to me wat you said is really nonsensical too because its contrary to my belief if you like my faith.

timmy2409:


"A foolish God says in his heart, there are no other Gods" - logicboy03

The god of atheism has blinded some people that they cannot see beyond their noses.

valmunich:

LOL.. Same shiii I've been wondering here

Imagine, every idea or belief system one holds turns to his or her religion. How fallacious¿

can you define religion please?

The guy believes atheism is a religion, good for him...
(He thinks OFF is a tv station)

Can we now leave him to his belief...

folaski:


can you define religion please?

The belief in and worship of a supernatural controlling power, especially a personal god or gods.
Put differently, a particular system of worship hinged on the belief of a supernatural based on faith related considerations.

So now show me the relationship between this and any random ideology which is not based on religious considerations

johnydon22:


lolzzz... atheism is just disbelief in any god or gods... i see no way its a religion... its not belief, it is asking for evidence .."Prove it" before i believe...

its just a way of saying "I dont want to believe, i want to know"

So i think y'all should go check the definition of religion again..

atheism is a belief that God does not exist.

johnydon22:


lolzzz... atheism is just disbelief in any god or gods... i see no way its a religion... its not belief, it is asking for evidence .."Prove it" before i believe...

its just a way of saying "I dont want to believe, i want to know"

So i think y'all should go check the definition of religion again..

They're desperately trying to put us in the same messed up category with them

folaski:


atheism is a belief that God does not exist.

You claim a god exists, i say i dont believe you..

prove it.... tadaaaa... its now my religion.. lolzz.

atheists have no dogma or doctrine.. we just share one thing in common an ideology that no deity exist... i'm still wondering how you want to liken that to a religion.. #Nawa ooo..

meanwhile

#WeFuckingLoveAtheism..

DProDG:


They're desperately trying to put us in the same messed up category with them

No be small thing oooo..

abeg we get synagogue make we go praise our mighty (No God deity)?

am in the mood for some clapping and bowing ..

johnydon22:


You claim a god exists, i say i dont believe you..

prove it.... tadaaaa... its now my religion.. lolzz.

atheists have no dogma or doctrine.. we just share one thing in common an ideology that no deity exist... i'm still wondering how you want to liken that to a religion.. #Nawa ooo..

meanwhile

#WeFuckingLoveAtheism..

ok you dont belief God exist but you belief he does not exist and you are an atheist apologist by engaging me the way you do bro

folaski:


ok you dont belief God exist but you belief he does not exist and you are an atheist zoologist by engaging me the way you do bro

am not even here to engage u on anything... when a real debatable topic comes up then i will bother engaging..

lmao... I don't believe any deity exists.. reversing it is your own cup of tea..

I dont see anyway atheist idolize anything cus atheism is just disbelief..

Deists believe a god exists and thats just it, U can go ahead and liken them to a religion but they are not..

So just go ahead and believe what want, it still changes nothing..

Religion is like T.V station, Offing the t.v is not a t.v station too boy...

johnydon22:


No be small thing oooo..

abeg we get synagogue make we go praise our mighty (No God deity)?

am in the mood for some clapping and bowing ..

All hail Hitchens, Dawkins and Sam Harris!!! The holy trinity.













(these Nation of Islam people will say we're worshiping the 'whiteman' now.)

DProDG:


All hail Hitchens, Dawkins and Sam Harris!!! The holy trinity.













(these Nation of Islam people will say we're worshiping the 'whiteman' now.)

lmao... You know i dont even know who sam harris is..

johnydon22:


lmao... You know i dont even know who sam harris is..

Infidel!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i3mX0YRrjM

DProDG:


Infidel!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i3mX0YRrjM

hahahahaha abeg oooo make you no kill me like muslims ooo..

or brand me a devil like christians ooo...

chai...

#WeFuckingLoveAtheism

johnydon22:


hahahahaha abeg oooo make you no kill me like muslims ooo..

or brand me a devil like christians ooo...

chai...

#WeFuckingLoveAtheism

it is education without the fear or reference of God that produces smart devils

folaski:



it is education without the fear or reference of God that produces smart devils

which God... Amadioha?

johnydon22:


which God... Amadioha?

let me ask you a question

does the spirit world exist?

folaski:


let me ask you a question

does the spirit world exist?

Spirit world kwa... this is the type of fairy tales we find very laughable..

Do you think spirit world exist?

DProDG:

Okay, so ideology?

What is the meaning of this? ?

The OP is talking about atheism and religion. He is not talking about popular ones but all religion. Can you tell me what ideology has to do with this?

DProDG:

Non-theistic religions are regarded as philosophies but are occasionally referred to as religions because of their similarities, so I stand by my assertion(I must add 'the belief in' and not just 'worship of' though).

This is also wrong sir

Many religion do not recognise god therefore believe in or worship any god is rule out. Yet and as you agree, they are perceive as religion.

And the point you missing bro, whether it is non theistic or theistic religion, it is still a religion. The definition you provide does not away cover ALL aspects of religion.

DProDG:

Yes, but influential people(gods) are never worshiped, eg Karl Marx.

Do you know the meaning of worship at all?

You can simply google imperial cult, celebrity worship, ancestor worship and hero worship. To put this on rest too, worship is been defined on wiki as an act of religious devotion usually directed towards a deity.


- Imperial cult= according to wiki is a form of state religionin which an emperor, or a dynasty of emperors (or rulers of another title), are worshippedas messiahs, demigodsor deities. " Cult" here is used to mean " worship", not in the modern pejorative sense. This is a religiois devotion usually directed toward a deity (kings, empetior and leaders)

- celebrity worship= an act of religious devotion usually dirrected toward a deity (celebs).

- ancestors worship= an act of religious devotion usually directed toward a deity (ancestors).

Hero worship = an act of religious devotion usually directed toward a deity (heroes or influencial person).


Deity has been proven to be learders, celeb, ancestors and human.

Human worship anything. Atheists worship something too. Such a devotion is directed to a deity; that thing which is worship.

DProDG:

However people that are considered deities, are(most often than not), eg Kim Jong Un.

Are you in postion to tell them what to believe a deity is?

The Iroko tree in my yard is a deity, it is been worship by people. The snake is worship and perceive as deity in many culture. This is their belief and conviction.

DProDG:

Did you notice that none of the definitions have anything to do with 'an influential person' as you described previously? Rather, they refer to divinity. Don't get hooked in your own word games.

oh really?
Deity is defined here http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=definition%20deity&spell=1&sa=X

de·i·ty - /ˈdēədē,ˈdāədē/
noun
1. a god or goddess (in a polytheistic religion).



While god is http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&spell=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=definition+god

3. an adored, admired, or influential person.



This is very simple for you to find.

DProDG:

I've addressed the emboldened. Acknowledging the worth of Karl Marx doesn't make it a religion till he's considered adeity. You also seem to forget that there are both religious and non-religious definitions of 'worship'.

1. Worship is worship. I guess you think it all about bowing down in the temple which is half correct.

2. People (of influence) are worship. You can quickly google what imperial cult is. These people are seen as DEITY.

DProDG:

Yet again, you refer to religion as an ideology, which is fine until you decide to put Christianity under the same umbrella.

Christianity is just a theological aspect of religion. Yet as agreed, it is still under the umbrella but the point is, defining religion without covering it total conception is wrong. Atheism is very much under this umbrella.

DProDG:

You pick two random individual definitions that more or less describephilosophiesand ask me how atheism doesn't fall under? Ok...

My definitions cover all the facets of religion and not just some form like the one you provided.

Going by your definitions;

1. Does taking of hallucinating drugs like Opium equates to a religion?

2. Science traffics in ignorance, cultivates it, and is driven by it. Does the scientific question and search for the unknown equates as a religion?


These are things that would prove your definition has it left leg missing. It is falling.

johnydon22:


Spirit world kwa... this is the type of fairy tales we find very laughable..

Do you think spirit world exist?

i know that the spirit world exist

davien:



What is particularly noticeable is the way the Genesis flood story follows the Gilgamesh flood tale "point by point and in the same order", even when the story permits other alternatives.

In a 2001 Torah commentary released on behalf of the Conservative Movement of Judaism, rabbinic scholar Robert Wexler stated:

"The most likely assumption we can make is that both Genesis and Gilgamesh drew their material from a common tradition about the flood that existed in Mesopotamia. These stories then diverged in the retelling."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh

when u say 'follow' wat exactly do u mean? are you sayin gilgamesh (or watever u call it) flood event happened before the bible's.
which account do u believe in gilgamesh or genesis(bible)

FOLYKAZE:


What is the meaning of this? ?

The OP is talking about atheism and religion. He is not talking about popular ones but all religion. Can you tell me what ideology has to do with this?




This is also wrong sir

Many religion do not recognise god therefore believe in or worship any god is rule out. Yet and as you agree, they are perceive as religion.

And the point you missing bro, whether it is non theistic or theistic religion, it is still a religion. The definition you provide does not away cover ALL aspects of religion.



Do you know the meaning of worship at all?

You can simply google imperial cult, celebrity worship, ancestor worship and hero worship. To put this on rest too, worship is been defined on wiki as an act of religious devotion usually directed towards a deity.


- Imperial cult= according to wiki is a form of state religionin which an emperor, or a dynasty of emperors (or rulers of another title), are worshippedas messiahs, demigodsor deities. " Cult" here is used to mean " worship", not in the modern pejorative sense. This is a religiois devotion usually directed toward a deity (kings, empetior and leaders)

- celebrity worship= an act of religious devotion usually dirrected toward a deity (celebs).

- ancestors worship= an act of religious devotion usually directed toward a deity (ancestors).

Hero worship = an act of religious devotion usually directed toward a deity (heroes or influencial person).


Deity has been proven to be learders, celeb, ancestors and human.

Human worship anything. Atheists worship something too. Such a devotion is directed to a deity; that thing which is worship.




Are you in postion to tell them what to believe a deity is?

The Iroko tree in my yard is a deity, it is been worship by people. The snake is worship and perceive as deity in many culture. This is their belief and conviction.




oh really?
Deity is defined here http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=definition%20deity&spell=1&sa=X

de·i·ty - /ˈdēədē,ˈdāədē/
noun
1. a god or goddess (in a polytheistic religion).



While god is http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&spell=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=definition+god

3. an adored, admired, or influential person.



This is very simple for you to find.



1. Worship is worship. I guess you think it all about bowing down in the temple which is half correct.

2. People (of influence) are worship. You can quickly google what imperial cult is. These people are seen as DEITY.



Christianity is just a theological aspect of religion. Yet as agreed, it is still under the umbrella but the point is, defining religion without covering it total conception is wrong. Atheism is very much under this umbrella.



My definitions cover all the facets of religion and not just some form like the one you provided.

Going by your definitions;

1. Does taking of hallucinating drugs like Opium equates to a religion?

2. Science traffics in ignorance, cultivates it, and is driven by it. Does the scientific question and search for the unknown equates as a religion?


These are things that would prove your definition has it left leg missing. It is falling.

cool

folaski:


i know that the spirit world exist

Interesting... i am going to enjoy this.


So How did you get to know bro?

laniyi07:
when u say 'follow' wat exactly do u mean? are you sayin gilgamesh (or watever u call it) flood event happened before the bible's.
which account do u believe in gilgamesh or genesis(bible)

He is saying that the gilgemesh fable is a myth from whence the bible's account was copied and reworked ...

johnydon22:


Interesting... i am going to enjoy this.


So How did you get to know bro?

check this out: when you sleep in an air conditioned room and you had a dream that something is pitching you and you are running and sweating in the dream. when you wake up sweating, scared and tired. how do you explain what happened between the visible and invisible. between the physical and the superphysical. How would you explain the man that was running in the superphysical and the one sweating in the physical?

lets start from there.

folaski:


check this out: when you sleep in an air conditioned room and you had a dream that something is pitching you and you are running and sweating in the dream. when you wake up sweating, scared and tired. how do you explain what happened between the visible and invisible. between the physical and the superphysical. How would you explain the man that was running in the superphysical and the one sweating in the physical?

lets start from there.

lobatan so this is how you know their is a spirit world? i don die

Ok back to the questions.. Can you define dream for me?