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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ukemeramat(m): 4:26pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
NaijaPikinGidi: LOL! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:26pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
agaugust: The ramblings of a mad man 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 4:28pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/kondor-e.html RUSSIA ORBITS SOUTH AFRICA'S FIRST SPY SATELLITE Kondor-E For those interested taking a few minutes to read....cut it down as much as i can ![]() ![]() Murky history of the Kondor-E project On May 19, 2006, the South-African Ministry of Defense awarded a contract to the Russian company NPO Mashinostroenia (NPO Mash for short) for the development of a spy satellite with a synthetic aperture radar, capable of all-weather, day-and-night imaging of the Earth's surface. The spacecraft would be based on the company's Kondor (MKA DZZ) project first proposed in mid-1990s. In turn, Kondor derived from a Soviet-era Almaz radar-carrying space station. The Kondor development apparently received a code-name Project Flute within the South-African military and intelligence circles. In Russia, the same project was probably also referred to as 710KS. A price tag for the Kondor-E contract was cited at around $108 million. The project Flute is believed to be a brainchild of the General "Mojo" Motau, who served as a head of Defense Intelligence at the time. The South-African intelligence planned to use the satellite for various surveillance goals, including battlefield reconnaissance. However, around 2007, the South-African government froze Project Flute after the nation's officials had realized that the full control over the satellite and its data would remain in Russian hands and South Africa would depend entirely on NPO Mash for the spacecraft operation. Such an arrangement would likely result in a significant delay of the access to imagery by military users in South Africa after the pictures had been snapped in orbit. In turn, it would dramatically reduce the value of Kondor's photos for the military, which needs up to a minute updates on the situation on the ground. In response to the closure of the project, NPO Mashinostroenia threatened with a legal action, probably demanding a compensation for already incurred expenses. Moreover, the scandal around Kondor-E threatened to derail a planned launch of the South-African Sumbandila satellite on a Russian submarine-based missile. (The satellite was eventually launched by the Russian civilian space agency, Roskosmos). The situation also led to demands within the South African parliament to investigate the affair. Ground control in South Africa? Possibly, in order to address the problem, NPO Mash planned to build a ground station in South Africa, which would control and operate the satellite, industry sources said. Russia would also train personnel manning the facility. The South African center would have an automated data exchange system with a mission control operated by NPO Mash at its campus in Reutov, near Moscow. NPO Mash planned to subcontract the responsibility for setting up and supporting a secure network to Moscow-based company ZAO KB SvetComputers. The company's team was to be secretly dispatched for a month-long assignment in South Africa to deploy the system. A secure satellite channel, fiber-optic lines and radio communications would be used to transfer information between Kondor's mission controls in Russia and in South Africa. The new arrangement might have jump-started the troubled project, but it also likely further escalated its cost. According to various reports, between 2006 and 2014, the South-African Defense Intelligence channeled from $109 to $259 million through a secret Special Defense Account dedicated to the "development of a strategic information collection capability." It is unclear whether this sum funded any other projects besides Flute. The opposition members of the South-African parliament were still demanding the investigation of the Flute project as late as 2014, as Kondor-E was finally approaching the launch pad. However the South-African government was resisting the release of most details on Kondor-E, citing its highly classified nature and national security concerns. Still, Pretoria made available annual financial statements from the Special Defense Account from 2010 to 2014, showing following expenditures: 2014: Launch preparations On October 15, a South-African delegation headed by the Minister of Science and Technology Naledi Pandor visited Roskosmos to discuss space cooperation between two countries. According to the Roskosmos' press-release, two sides "touched upon the issues of necessity for the development of a satellite network for remote-sensing of the Earth and problems of cadre for the development of space industry in Russia and in South Africa." On October 22, 2014, during a meeting of a Portfolio Committee on Defense and Military Veterans, the South African Defense Secretary Sam Gulube confirmed that a military satellite was "on track" for launch, essentially revealing the South-African connection to the Kondor-E project. Launch: 2014 Dec. 19 ![]() According to Roscosmos, the successful launch of Kondor-E took place on December 19, 2014, at 07:43 Moscow Time. The official press-release said that the satellite had a nominal separation from the booster stage of the launch vehicle and was transferred under a flight control of a customer. NORAD observations registered two objects associated with the launch: Within hours after the liftoff, a source close to the project reported on the online forum of the Novosti Kosmonavtiki magazine that the satellite had established communications with ground control, downlinked telemetry and began opening its imaging radar antenna. In the meantime, ground observations of the satellite apparently detected some increase in its brightness, likely confirming the successful deployment of the radar antenna, In the second half of December, the satellite was undergoing in-orbit tests. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 4:36pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
agaugust: Shame. Maybe Denel Dynamics is producing them just for fun. I agree with you Augustine. You are right. The A Darter missiles being produced starting April 2015 are NOT for the South African Air Force. And the money which has already transferred hands between SANDF and Denel (which is known as BUYING) for A-Darter is all just made up. One big lie. I agree with you. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:46pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
patches689: Citation needed. Show proof of cheaper wages/salaries. Cuban mercenaries have been hired by SANDF ! . 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:57pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
stillchris: That their fat woman minister threatening ex-soldiers, she had better watch her mouth or go ask Lucky Dube, make she know how far. Free AK-47 plenty for inside South Africa with no registered gun owner.....89 souls per day no be joke o! . 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:17pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
Thiza: Old story from grandfather. 1980s expired war. Dead, retired, or gray haired old men SADF disbanded apartheid army. Show us war fought by today's new SANDF of HIV infected Southie soldiers, show us the enemy main battle tanks your internet army has destroyed in the last 20 years ![]() ![]() ![]() . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ukemeramat(m): 5:32pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
Patchesagain: @stillchris @NijaPikiGidi this one is for u doubting thomas 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ukemeramat(m): 5:34pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
NaijaPikinGidi: including this right...am not the one correcting you now but our so call clueless govt https://www.nairaland.com/2194268/nigeria-drafts-foreign-mercenaries-take |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 5:44pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
agaugust: DENEL=SA GOVERNMENT=SANDF. During the bush war SADF never bought any weapons from KENTRON now DENEL. They were supplied with weapons free of charge, so, whatever that is in DENEL inventory belong to SANDF and the people of SA. Now at peace times SANDF is required to buy only for formality at a reduced price so that DENEL remains sustainable in doing business. However, during war we will unpack whatever that DENEL has in the interest of protecting South Africa and all the private defence industries we have will have to make their contribution to ensure that their businesses will be safe guarded. Have you ever asked yourself why SANDF is training with DENEL weapons irrespective of whether it is in service or not. DENEL DEVELOP WEAPONS PRIMARILY FOR SANDF. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 5:49pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
agaugust: Lagos, Enugu, Port Harcourt, (Akwa ibom) Abuja, Warri, Onitsha, Aba, Jos, llorin, Oyo, Calabar, Benin City etc is overflowing with AIDS that is not receiving treatment. The most hit are military men. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 5:51pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
Msauza: Anyway, all of Denel's profits go to its shareholder, the government. And all of SANDF's budget comes from the government. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 6:07pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
DieVluit: You know where you can shove your links. You are so blinded that you think 100 SA mercs can play a significant role in clearing about 40 towns/local government areas? You are indeed deluded. You haven't even given credit to the other supposed mercs from other countries. Even in make believe world you are glory hunting ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 6:17pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Please show the photos of white men commanding vehicles in battle. They are doing what they were contracted for, instruct. Go and look up the meaning of the word if it is that difficult. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 6:38pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
rka1: You are the one who spoke about people "on the ground". Therefore, it follows that the following should be pointed out to you: "The people on the ground - officials at that - confirm that South African mercenaries are in the think of things in Nigeria; and they have been quite effective" Naturally, you won't NEED the links because you've seen them already. They have been posted a hundred times over on the thread. Facts are facts. Your mechanics story does not come from "people on the ground". It comes from the administration of one Goodluck Ebele Jonathan. You hung yourself today. Be angry with yourself. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:36pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
Patchesagain: That's an old man, 43 year old soldiers, and SADF is apartheid era army, now defunct, almost all the whites left or were forced to retire. Show us proof that 17 year old soldiers were engaged in combat for SADF in Angola, age 17 is legally a minor, how does your law deploy 17 year old boys in battle 1,000 km away from home? That is below international standard of legal age. When did he join the army and get trained, age 15 ? Show us proof that 17 year olds were deployed to SADF war zone in Angola. SADF officer Colonel Eben is now about 65 years old and he left SANDF long time ago because Mandela flushed out white soldiers and replaced them with incompetent Soweto bushmen hunters and maize farm laborers to form Africa's most ridiculous army . 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 8:47pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
DieVluit: Why don't you read about the reality on the ground. https://beegeagle./2015/03/18/boko-haram-and-mercenaries-in-borno-the-myth-the-reality-hearing-it-from-a-pmc-operative/#comment-86734 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 8:58pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
ukemeramat: ode. you claimed the chadian infantry uses tricked out AKs, not special forces. don't go jumping up and down. you are still an ignoramus shall we also show pics of AK74s, Tavors used by our own special forces as well. show us photos of chadian soldiers using tricked out AKs as you claimed. olodo 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 9:28pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
rka1: Wordpress? A blog? Please miss me with your blogs, fam. Here's something "from the people on the ground" http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/13/world/africa/nigerias-fight-against-boko-haram-gets-help-from-south-african-mercenaries.html?_r=0 Hundreds of mercenaries from South Africa and other countries are playing a decisive role in Nigeria’s military campaign against Boko Haram, operating attack helicopters and armored personnel carriers and fighting to retake towns and villages captured by the Islamist militant group, according to senior officials in the region. The Nigerian government has not acknowledged the presence of the mercenaries, but a senior government official in northern Nigeria said the South Africans — camped out in a remote portion of the airport in Maiduguri, the city at the heart of Boko Haram’s uprising — conducted most of their operations at night because “they really don’t want to let people know what is going on.” The mercenaries “are in the vanguard in the liberation of some of the communities,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 9:33pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
ukemeramat: Niger Delta militants are a 100% Christian force loyal to each other with no traitors. Nigerian army has 50% Islamic faithfuls as soldiers and they have moles as enemies within, secretly working for Boko Haram and betraying the Nigerian army by leaking out operational information and also smuggling army weapons to Boko Haram. Niger Delta militants won't defeat Boko Haram, you have no air force and no tanks or artillery, therefore both sides will have equal firepower and lead to a stalemate of a war with no winner no loser. You will end up like Somalia where rebel vs rebel combat led to a stalemated war that had no end until AU and UN intervention forces deployed there. You think Kanuri tribe will surrender to Ijaw tribe? You will be seen as a Christian force invading Isamic lands and before you know it, Iran, Turkey, Syria, Morocco, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, etc will be sending weapons and mercenaries to help Boko Haram..... that war will continue for the next 20 years with no winner no loser and hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties . 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 9:42pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
DieVluit: How is a blog different from mischief making NY times the other side of the pond? Go and read it and understand there are not 100s of SAs in theatre. My goodness you are gullible. BTW, he is more authoritative with better contacts than all the foreign media and their cohorts combined. You obviously don't understand politics. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 9:45pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
rka1: The New York Times is similar to "wordpress"? Please tell us how? Whenever you are ready. Again, :Hundreds of mercenaries from South Africa and other countries are playing a decisive role in Nigeria’s military campaign against Boko Haram, operating attack helicopters and armored personnel carriers and fighting to retake towns and villages captured by the Islamist militant group, according to senior officials in the region. The Nigerian government has not acknowledged the presence of the mercenaries, but a senior government official in northern Nigeria said the South Africans — camped out in a remote portion of the airport in Maiduguri, the city at the heart of Boko Haram’s uprising — conducted most of their operations at night because “they really don’t want to let people know what is going on.” The mercenaries “are in the vanguard in the liberation of some of the communities,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 9:46pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
Patchesagain: BBC has confirmed with BBC recorded and published video evidence Nigeria has guided missile armed drones CH-3 and confirmed we used if to set an African military record of the first drone kill from Capetown to Cairo. SANDF is technologically behind Nigerian military in the art of war, you cannot even attempt what our armed forces are achieving, you have an obsolescent military in SANDF. ![]() http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31902503 . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 9:49pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
DieVluit: What officials, what sources? There is an election coming up you mumu. You are being misled. If there are hundreds of mercs all over the NE in battle, there would have been loads of combat footage. Remember, lots of people out there with cameras. Continue to f00l yourself. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 9:53pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
DieVluit: The only two sides on ground inside the battlefields with verified information about who is fighting the war, are Nigerian army and Boko Haram. Nigerian army has spoken throught the ultimate boss on ground, Chief of army staff, and confirmed NO MERCENARY IS FIGHTING FOR NIGERIA.....anybody with any other argument or opinion is NOT on ground inside the bloody battlefield and thus becomes a speculator and liar. Did foreign media hire mercenaries for Nigeria and signed the contract papers or paid the service fee for the fighters? Your argument is demolished by the Nigerian chief of army staff, sorry loser, you southies lose again ![]() ![]() ![]() . 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:53pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
rka1: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() South-Africans......... SMH! 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 9:57pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 10:05pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:10pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
Patchesagain: You just did that by your comment above . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 10:11pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
DieVluit: As already explained to you, the COAS has spoken. It doesn't matter what articles you post. "Officials" are playing politics. They are not in the front lines nor do they understand what is going on. They are politicians if not made up people by mischief makers. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:13pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
stillchris: Na bushmen Bantu hunters turned ANC terrorists turned into SANDF national army, so what do you expect them to be, engineering geniuses? . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 10:13pm On Mar 18, 2015 |
rka1: As pointed to you, officials have already spoken. It doesn't matter what blogs you post. Goodluck Jonathan is only playing politics. He is not in the front lines, nor does he understand what is going on. He is a politician and his statements are made up by the mischief makers at Aso Rock. Oh - senior military officials ARE on the frontlines. And about the pictures...Reva IIIs.... #nuffsed. |
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