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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 11:13pm On Mar 24, 2015 |
EVarn:lol, seems he has a grudge against you or that was his only point of contribution which is misleading at best and unnecessary at worse. However, it's a massive shame and embarrassment that his literary prowess and splendid arrangement of facts were never employed to serve Nigeria in an international thread as this. What a waste. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:14pm On Mar 24, 2015 |
EVarn: Maintaining what? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:22pm On Mar 24, 2015 |
Patchesagain: 18,000 hours of VIP transport flights, SAAF has been reduced to civilian duties. So pathetic. When Mandela's collapsing air force has flown 6,000 combat missions in 6 months like Nigerian air force, come back and talk to us here . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 11:29pm On Mar 24, 2015 |
MikeCZAR:our military force. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:33pm On Mar 24, 2015 |
patches689: NAF is buying JF-17 Thunder and it has long range stand off precision delivery nuclear missile capability . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:35pm On Mar 24, 2015 |
agaugust:NAF stands no chance. Even a tiny grain. The Gripen with its modern capabilities will intercept your F-7s from the flanks outside your radar angular coverage. This is what 4th Gen and 5th Gen fighters do. How is your air force going to deploy outside your Nigeria without C2 and air traffic control capabilities for air combat? 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:38pm On Mar 24, 2015 |
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:39pm On Mar 24, 2015 |
agaugust:So? Argentina will buy it first before you even do, scratch that I meant before you stop dreaming. Like you did with the Super Tucano. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:41pm On Mar 24, 2015 |
agaugust: Training > Experience. Does Nigeria even have artillery systems or you just have artillery pieces? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:45pm On Mar 24, 2015 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:56pm On Mar 24, 2015 |
dacostaANG: You have no technical facts or expert opinion to counter my points, so you avoid the debate. Cool , really cool. See the part of your post I bolded above, my post forced you to swallow your words, you said yesterday that Gripen C/D is better than the upgraded Indian Su-30 MKI and the latest Russian Su-30 SM Flanker. Only a poorly informed man will stand in a public military debate and say that a Gripen with weak maneuverability, poor combat radius, small payload, 120 km radar, is better than a Su-30 MKI with super maneuverability, very long combat radius, heavy payload, 400 km radar. You too just look at yourself and see the rubbish comparison and conclusion you made, then you come here and say you work close to air force pilots, you think we are fools here? No insult intended, but match your mouth power with brain power and avoid trapping yourself with errors my brother. I now suspect you are a South African pretending to be Angolan, can you speak Portuguese? I don't trust you ! . 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 12:25am On Mar 25, 2015 |
DieVluit:Where did you get your fake map from? Everyone knows that the NA re-took Baga, Monguno and all the surrounding areas and Chad only allegedly (because they lie a lot) took Dikwa, Gamboru, and one or 2 others with Nigerien troops. I use the term "took" kindly because they saunter in as if raiding a community with international press in tow (without clearing neighbouring communities), then announce to the world they have captured a territory, before withdrawing and then back to square one, BH move back in. Their MNJTF brief is to hold an area if it is part of their AOR as agreed and secure it, not pose for photos like SANDF and leg it afterwards ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by dacostaANG: 1:54am On Mar 25, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: Twelve already been delivered. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:00am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: SAAF did fly to Congo - this is fact SAAF flew 25 years is a contested airspace where the enemy had modern SAMs and jet fighters Nigeria only fly's missions against rebels with no air defences Who are the cowards? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:05am On Mar 25, 2015 |
jln115: That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls. Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face ! . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:05am On Mar 25, 2015 |
Msauza: That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls. Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face ! . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:06am On Mar 25, 2015 |
patches689: That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls. Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face ! . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:07am On Mar 25, 2015 |
patches689: It's been plenty of fun T.O.R.M.E.N.T.I.N.G you with NAF BVR missile 35 km range ![]() ![]() That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls. Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face ! . 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:07am On Mar 25, 2015 |
Msauza: That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls. Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face ! . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:12am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: First, you dont have BVR missiles Second, turning off your radar greatly reduces detection chances http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_combat_manoeuvring Third, SAAF are masters of low level flying - where ground clutter hides them from radar agaugust: You should read your own sources: Conceptually a small number of MiG-21Bisons maintaining “radar silence” can be guided towards their aerial target by a couple of Sukhoi-30s by secure data links in accordance with MFFC (Mixed Fighter Force Concept). http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2428939 Gripen radar range is more than double the F-7's - some Gripen can moniter your F-7's from outside the F-7's radar bubble (F-7 doesnt know they are there) and transmit location and targetting data to Hawks and Gripen who are using low level flying with their radar switched off to sneak in and ambush your F-7's And that is just using the Gripen, not even talking about our array of ground based radar systems. agaugust: First, why are you constantly talking about raping women? Are you so lonely that you obsess about women being forced to sleep with you? Second, Nigeria has no BVR - according to ALL SOURCES the PL-9 missile has an effective range of 500m-22km. Your source confirms this, the manufacturer confirms this. Your delusions convince no-one, even other Nigerians remain silent on this topic as they know you are delusional. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:13am On Mar 25, 2015 |
Henry120: Standardization does not stop an army from buying many types of vehicles. An standard army needs : Helicopter sling portable light LAV Medium LAV Wheeled IFV Tracked IFV APC Aeroplane lift-able IFV Tank destroyer MBT Amphibious Light tank Amphibious LAV Amphibious IFV They all have different battle theatre purposes. Also, buying from just one source exposes you to arms embargo effect. Nigeria buys from across the world . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:15am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: [size=20pt]Why can the PL-9C missile fly 35km away from the Ground launcher but only 6km straight up? Why do you ignore this question? Why do you run away? Were you one of the men defending Bama? [/size] Answer: Because the air launched and ground launched versions are two different things. [size=15pt]If you want us to take 35km range as word of god, then you must accept 6km ceiling as word of god! Gipen flying at 6.5km can destroy the whole NAF in 3 min!![/size] 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:16am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: You are so incredibly stu.pid 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:19am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: You know that we are laughing at you right? You know that literally every single person on this forum (including nigerians) know that you are posting info for a ground based launcher and not air-to-air? The people who sell it ended this debate a long time ago. Your own source ended it a long time ago. You embarassed yourself by posting data for the SAM - and are now desperatly defending it because of how humiliating your error is! 2 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:20am On Mar 25, 2015 |
andrewza: Withdraw and leave the treaty first before you boast here about nuclear weapons. Nigeria too can pull and leave the same treaty, get it ? Or you tied our own legs with a rope while yours is dangling free ? . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:24am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: Look - auagugbugu is saying things with no facts again. So by your own argument F-7 is inferior to Gripen: - F-7 is less maneuverable than the Gripen - F-7 has a lower payload than the Gripen - F-7 has inferior radar to the Gripen Thank you for ending the argument 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:25am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: No. We have the necessary uranium. And that uranium is WEAPONIZED. We have the necessary equipment and skills. We also have a functioning nuclear reactor as well as nuclear development and enrichment facilities. You have nothing. Your country is not listed as being capable of building nuclear weapons. Ours is. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:26am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: Why would you be buying a jet for its ability to deploy nuclear weapons when you have none and dont have the ability to produce them? Thats like South Africa buying a Mars lander without the rocket to get there. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:34am On Mar 25, 2015 |
andrewza: I did, but you have cataract blinding your eyes. Let me show you more, in 2010 a new F-7 variant was ready and ordered in 2011 by Bangladesh with all these capabilities : "F-7BGI Upgraded version for Bangladesh Air Force ordered in 2011. Based on J-7G, guided munition capable. 1) F-7 BGI has a speed of Mach 2.2 2) 7 Hard-points to carry air-to-air missiles, laser-guided bomb, GPS-guided bombs, drop tanks 3) Full glass cockpit. 4) can carry 3000 kg bomb, including Chinese laser-guided bombs. 5) F-7 BGI has KLJ-6F radar Fire control Radar with 86 km+ Range which is near BVR or BVR considering what is the silver lining between them and can track 6 and engage 2 enemy aircraft simultaneously. 6) F-7 BGI can carry C-704 Antiship Missiles (Therefore maritime also possible) 7) afterburner- F-7 BGI (82 kN) thrust 8.) Missiles procurement are currently unknown for F-7 BGI but they can fire the 70-75 km range PL-12,PL-11 and also PL-7, PL-8, PL-9, Magic R.550 and AIM-9 . 9) F-7 BGI got J-7G2 Airframe with double delta wing. This improves the lift at high angles of attack and delays or prevents stalling. 10) G-limit: +8 g / -3 g 11) Service ceiling: 17,500 m (57,420 ft) for F-7 BGI 12) 3 Multi functional HUD displays and Hotas. 13) Chinese Helmet Mounted Sights. 14) Reportedly more maneuverable than most of the Mig21s and many of the other contemporary fighters." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7 Your stupiid question is like asking what is the difference between a 1960 Mirage III and it's 2005 upgrade called Cheetah by SAAF . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:45am On Mar 25, 2015 |
patches689: [size=20pt] That 6.5 km altitude is ONLY for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly with the missile into the air, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the missile altitude becomes 18 km. In air to air combat, the Jet fighter's maximum altitude becomes the missiles maximum altitude.....Simple common sense is NOT common in South Africa..... 50 million fools live in ANC prison yard, no wonder Dangote screwed one billion Rand free cash out of your corporate entities pockets and your dundee CEOs did not even notice until the cash has entered Nigerian bank....Fools ![]() ![]() .[/size]
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:48am On Mar 25, 2015 |
patches689: Nope, it is South Africa that is stupiid enough to build a dry land only army with no single amphibious armoured vehicle and you say it is 'standardization' by your nation of 50 million genetic fools . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:17am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: [size=20pt]Why can it fly 35km AWAY from the Ground launcher but only 6km ABOVE it? Why can the missile still receive information from the fire-control radar 35km AWAY from the missile.... but not receive information from the fire-control radar 6km away from the missile? Simple question!! Answer it!! [/size] 2 Likes 1 Share |
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