EVarn:
right on point,his claims were unnecessary and downright unpatriotic.what kind of person claims that his country fought a 3 year battle against a renegade militia that was armed with only "knives and pitchforks"?.

lol, seems he has a grudge against you or that was his only point of contribution which is misleading at best and unnecessary at worse.

However, it's a massive shame and embarrassment that his literary prowess and splendid arrangement of facts were never employed to serve Nigeria in an international thread as this.
What a waste.

EVarn:
since 1960

Maintaining what?

Patchesagain:


18 000 hours say otherwise.

There are 2 SAAF planes in the sky, 24/7

SAAF Gripens were in Congo ready to for the CAR - explain that

18,000 hours of VIP transport flights, SAAF has been reduced to civilian duties. So pathetic.

When Mandela's collapsing air force has flown 6,000 combat missions in 6 months like Nigerian air force, come back and talk to us here
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MikeCZAR:


Maintaining what?

our military force.

patches689:


Nigeria does not have the ability to deploy precision airstrikes

ANd you will have to get through our air defence umbrella first

NAF is buying JF-17 Thunder and it has long range stand off precision delivery nuclear missile capability
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agaugust:


You wrote a folder full of garbage above, but let me answer just one of them that is a bit fresh garbage (The other ones have been repeated too often here) :

Gripen jet is NOT a stealth jet fighter, so switching off it's radar will not save it from the sharp claws of the Nigerian BVR missile F-7NI jet.

The F-7 is not looking for the Gripen radar, it's looking for the metal body airframe of the Gripen and will detect that 40 km away.

The Gripen is committing suicide by switching off it's own radar, meaning it can no longer detect the F-7 and the incoming PL-9C missile, so your Soweto pilot just hears a big (((((( BOOM )))))) explosion, sees the fire ball and feels the roasting heat for 2 seconds and opens his eyes in H.ELL with d.emons opening that gate of H.ADES for him.

Datalink is NOT a detection device, it can only work if another aircraft is using it's own radar and transmits data to the Gripen, but then what aircraft is that? It will become a target to be shot down along with the Gripen.

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NAF stands no chance. Even a tiny grain.

The Gripen with its modern capabilities will intercept your F-7s from the flanks outside your radar angular coverage.

This is what 4th Gen and 5th Gen fighters do.

How is your air force going to deploy outside your Nigeria without C2 and air traffic control capabilities for air combat?

Thiza:


SANDF ARTILLERY UNIT

With ZERO combat experience in 20 years
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agaugust:


NAF is buying JF-17 Thunder and it has long range stand off precision delivery nuclear missile capability
.

So?

Argentina will buy it first before you even do, scratch that I meant before you stop dreaming. Like you did with the Super Tucano.

agaugust:


With ZERO combat experience in 20 years
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Training > Experience.

Does Nigeria even have artillery systems or you just have artillery pieces?

EVarn:
our military force.

. That lost towns to Boko Haram?

Maintaining what?

dacostaANG:


My friend it seems the USAF pilot you spoke to never completed he's training because he himself needs to use he's brain before he gives you wrong info.

I don't want to insulting you on this forum but I must say your arguments are more then of point and borders on the level of fantasies bro.

I can only but laugh at your post. I'm not going to respond at this moment because I think you should do your research and be truthful to yourself, your fellow countryman including the SA guys.

Until you've seen the SU-30 and the Gripen live in either a air show or in simulated combat I suggest you should rather not write the half truths above.

You have no technical facts or expert opinion to counter my points, so you avoid the debate. Cool , really cool.

See the part of your post I bolded above, my post forced you to swallow your words, you said yesterday that Gripen C/D is better than the upgraded Indian Su-30 MKI and the latest Russian Su-30 SM Flanker.

Only a poorly informed man will stand in a public military debate and say that a Gripen with weak maneuverability, poor combat radius, small payload, 120 km radar, is better than a Su-30 MKI with super maneuverability, very long combat radius, heavy payload, 400 km radar.

You too just look at yourself and see the rubbish comparison and conclusion you made, then you come here and say you work close to air force pilots, you think we are fools here?

No insult intended, but match your mouth power with brain power and avoid trapping yourself with errors my brother.

I now suspect you are a South African pretending to be Angolan, can you speak Portuguese?

I don't trust you !
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DieVluit:


As of today.

Where did you get your fake map from? Everyone knows that the NA re-took Baga, Monguno and all the surrounding areas and Chad only allegedly (because they lie a lot) took Dikwa, Gamboru, and one or 2 others with Nigerien troops.

I use the term "took" kindly because they saunter in as if raiding a community with international press in tow (without clearing neighbouring communities), then announce to the world they have captured a territory, before withdrawing and then back to square one, BH move back in.

Their MNJTF brief is to hold an area if it is part of their AOR as agreed and secure it, not pose for photos like SANDF and leg it afterwards .

MikeCZAR:
How many Sukhois are delivered so far?

Twelve already been delivered.

agaugust:


SAAF didn't have fuel to fly into Congo and make a long air campaign.

NAF flew combat sorties for 10 years non stop in Liberia and Sierra Leone.

SAAF can only day dream of achieving that, and they will never be able to do it. Cowards don't fly combat missions, they settle for VIP transport like SAAF has wisely done
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SAAF did fly to Congo - this is fact

SAAF flew 25 years is a contested airspace where the enemy had modern SAMs and jet fighters

Nigeria only fly's missions against rebels with no air defences

Who are the cowards?

jln115:

The Technical data is for the PL-9C SHORAD(Ground to Air) you stup1d c*nt!
and not the air to air variant.

That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls.

Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face !
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Msauza:



PL-9C Shorad SAM has a range of 35 km and altitute of only 6.5 km.

PL-9 AAM has a range of 22km.

Your source proves it.

That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls.

Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face !
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patches689:


How can it fly 35km away from the launcher but not 35km straight up?

Its ceiling is 6km

So gripen flys at 6km where your missile cannot touch it.

This is pointless, according to the people who sell is max range is ~20km

Their word is final

That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls.

Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face !
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patches689:


No, range is 20km for air launched version.

Confirmed by YOUR SOURCE and by our Source

In anycase, missile ceiling is 6km. So Gripen flying at 6.5km is completely safe.

It's been plenty of fun T.O.R.M.E.N.T.I.N.G you with NAF BVR missile 35 km range

That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls.

Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face !
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Msauza:



THE PL-9C IS A SHORAD (ALT= 6.5KM) WHICH MUST BE VERTICALLY LAUNCHED DUMMY, EVEN YOUR SOURCE CONFIRMS IT.

That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls.

Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face !
.

agaugust:


Gripen jet is NOT a stealth jet fighter, so switching off it's radar will not save it from the sharp claws of the Nigerian BVR missile F-7NI jet.

The F-7 is not looking for the Gripen radar, it's looking for the metal body airframe of the Gripen and will detect that 40 km away.
.

First, you dont have BVR missiles

Second, turning off your radar greatly reduces detection chances
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_combat_manoeuvring

Third, SAAF are masters of low level flying - where ground clutter hides them from radar

agaugust:

The Gripen is committing suicide by switching off it's own radar, meaning it can no longer detect the F-7 and the incoming PL-9C missile, so your Soweto pilot just hears a big (((((( BOOM )))))) explosion, sees the fire ball and feels the roasting heat for 2 seconds and opens his eyes in H.ELL with d.emons opening that gate of H.ADES for him.

Datalink is NOT a detection device, it can only work if another aircraft is using it's own radar and transmits data to the Gripen, but then what aircraft is that? It will become a target to be shot down along with the Gripen.

You should read your own sources:

Conceptually a small number of MiG-21Bisons maintaining “radar silence” can be guided towards their aerial target by a couple of Sukhoi-30s by secure data links in accordance with MFFC (Mixed Fighter Force Concept).
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2428939


Gripen radar range is more than double the F-7's - some Gripen can moniter your F-7's from outside the F-7's radar bubble (F-7 doesnt know they are there) and transmit location and targetting data to Hawks and Gripen who are using low level flying with their radar switched off to sneak in and ambush your F-7's

And that is just using the Gripen, not even talking about our array of ground based radar systems.

agaugust:

So sorry about all this danger your South African air force has suddenly become exposed to, I know your jets are expensive, it's just that they are too poorly armed, sorry Nigeria has to make you country a victim of our near BVR missiles.

You can buy back your freedom from captivity, ship to Lagos a convoy of Ocean liners loaded with 10,000 tested HIV FREE and clean South African 18 year old pretty city girls who will be exchanged for your country's national security, Nigeria will then sign a pact not to use BVR missiles on South Africa.

That is the only way to save your lives those beautiful 8,000 black, 1,000 coloured, and 1,000 white girls will be the full price paid for your freedom.

First, why are you constantly talking about raping women? Are you so lonely that you obsess about women being forced to sleep with you?

Second, Nigeria has no BVR - according to ALL SOURCES the PL-9 missile has an effective range of 500m-22km. Your source confirms this, the manufacturer confirms this. Your delusions convince no-one, even other Nigerians remain silent on this topic as they know you are delusional.

Henry120:


It makes sense. Unfortunately i'm not in charge of procurement at DHQ.

However let it be known, as a military Doctrine, Nigeria has and would always continue to carry out a diverse procurement Policy.

Nigeria had one of the most internationally diversified and balanced defense procurement strategies. Nigeria acquired arms from about eight suppliers during 1978-82, tying Zaire as the most diversified sub-Saharan state (see table 20, Appendix). Its largest supplier during that period, West Germany, provided only about one-third of its US$845 million total. This diversified pattern became even more pronounced in the mid-1980s. During 1983-87, Nigeria imported military matériel valued at US$1.5 billion from about ten major suppliers--more than any other African state, and Italy, its largest supplier, accounted for only 23 percent.


And,

http://www.bpp.gov.ng/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=190:bpp-facilitates-defence-headquarters-procurement-awareness-seminar&catid=83:latest-news&Itemid=238

Standardization does not stop an army from buying many types of vehicles. An standard army needs :

Helicopter sling portable light LAV
Medium LAV
Wheeled IFV
Tracked IFV
APC
Aeroplane lift-able IFV
Tank destroyer
MBT
Amphibious Light tank
Amphibious LAV
Amphibious IFV

They all have different battle theatre purposes.
Also, buying from just one source exposes you to arms embargo effect. Nigeria buys from across the world
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agaugust:




That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls.

Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face !
.

[size=20pt]Why can the PL-9C missile fly 35km away from the Ground launcher but only 6km straight up? Why do you ignore this question? Why do you run away? Were you one of the men defending Bama?
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Answer: Because the air launched and ground launched versions are two different things.

[size=15pt]If you want us to take 35km range as word of god, then you must accept 6km ceiling as word of god!

Gipen flying at 6.5km can destroy the whole NAF in 3 min!![/size]

agaugust:


Standardization does not stop an army from buying many types of vehicles. An standard army needs :

Helicopter sling portable light LAV
Medium LAV
Wheeled IFV
Tracked IFV
APC
Aeroplane lift-able IFV
Tank destroyer
MBT
Amphibious Light tank
Amphibious LAV
Amphibious IFV

They all have different battle theatre purposes.
Also, buying from just one source exposes you to arms embargo effect. Nigeria buys from across the world
.

You are so incredibly stu.pid

agaugust:


It's been plenty of fun T.O.R.M.E.N.T.I.N.G you with NAF BVR missile 35 km range

That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls.

Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face !
.

You know that we are laughing at you right?

You know that literally every single person on this forum (including nigerians) know that you are posting info for a ground based launcher and not air-to-air?

The people who sell it ended this debate a long time ago. Your own source ended it a long time ago.

You embarassed yourself by posting data for the SAM - and are now desperatly defending it because of how humiliating your error is!

andrewza:


Article X allows a state to leave the treaty if "extraordinary events, related to the subject matter of this Treaty, have jeopardized the supreme interests of its country", giving three months' (ninety days') notice. The state is required to give reasons for leaving the NPT in this notice. Article X.1 only requires a state to give three months' notice in total, and does not provide for other states to question a state's interpretation of "supreme interests of its country".

Withdraw and leave the treaty first before you boast here about nuclear weapons.

Nigeria too can pull and leave the same treaty, get it ? Or you tied our own legs with a rope while yours is dangling free ?
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agaugust:


You have no technical facts or expert opinion to counter my points, so you avoid the debate. Cool , really cool.

See the part of your post I bolded above, my post forced you to swallow your words, you said yesterday that Gripen C/D is better than the upgraded Indian Su-30 MKI and the latest Russian Su-30 SM Flanker.

Only a poorly informed man will stand in a public military debate and say that a Gripen with weak maneuverability, poor combat radius, small payload, 120 km radar, is better than a Su-30 MKI with super maneuverability, very long combat radius, heavy payload, 400 km radar.

You too just look at yourself and see the rubbish comparison and conclusion you made, then you come here and say you work close to air force pilots, you think we are fools here?

No insult intended, but match your mouth power with brain power and avoid trapping yourself with errors my brother.

I hope you are not even a South African pretending to be Angolan, can you speak Portuguese?

I don't trust you !
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Look - auagugbugu is saying things with no facts again.

So by your own argument F-7 is inferior to Gripen:

- F-7 is less maneuverable than the Gripen
- F-7 has a lower payload than the Gripen
- F-7 has inferior radar to the Gripen

Thank you for ending the argument

agaugust:


Withdraw and leave the treaty first before you boast here about nuclear weapons.

Nigeria too can pull and leave the same treaty, get it ? Or you tied our own legs with a rope while yours is dangling free ?
.

No. We have the necessary uranium. And that uranium is WEAPONIZED.

We have the necessary equipment and skills. We also have a functioning nuclear reactor as well as nuclear development and enrichment facilities.

You have nothing.

Your country is not listed as being capable of building nuclear weapons. Ours is.

agaugust:


NAF is buying JF-17 Thunder and it has long range stand off precision delivery nuclear missile capability
.

Why would you be buying a jet for its ability to deploy nuclear weapons when you have none and dont have the ability to produce them?

Thats like South Africa buying a Mars lander without the rocket to get there.

andrewza:



You still have not anserwed the question. Was is 2010 level means?

I did, but you have cataract blinding your eyes.

Let me show you more, in 2010 a new F-7 variant was ready and ordered in 2011 by Bangladesh with all these capabilities :

"F-7BGI Upgraded version for Bangladesh Air Force ordered in 2011. Based on J-7G, guided munition capable.

1) F-7 BGI has a speed of Mach 2.2
2) 7 Hard-points to carry air-to-air missiles, laser-guided bomb, GPS-guided bombs, drop tanks
3) Full glass cockpit.
4) can carry 3000 kg bomb, including Chinese laser-guided bombs.
5) F-7 BGI has KLJ-6F radar Fire control Radar with 86 km+ Range which is near BVR or BVR considering what is the silver lining between them and can track 6 and engage 2 enemy aircraft simultaneously.
6) F-7 BGI can carry C-704 Antiship Missiles (Therefore maritime also possible)
7) afterburner- F-7 BGI (82 kN) thrust
8.) Missiles procurement are currently unknown for F-7 BGI but they can fire the 70-75 km range PL-12,PL-11 and also PL-7, PL-8, PL-9, Magic R.550 and AIM-9 .
9) F-7 BGI got J-7G2 Airframe with double delta wing. This improves the lift at high angles of attack and delays or prevents stalling.
10) G-limit: +8 g / -3 g
11) Service ceiling: 17,500 m (57,420 ft) for F-7 BGI
12) 3 Multi functional HUD displays and Hotas.
13) Chinese Helmet Mounted Sights.
14) Reportedly more maneuverable than most of the Mig21s and many of the other contemporary fighters."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7

Your stupiid question is like asking what is the difference between a 1960 Mirage III and it's 2005 upgrade called Cheetah by SAAF
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patches689:


[size=13pt]Why can the PL-9C missile fly 35km away from the Ground launcher but only 6km straight up? Why do you ignore this question? Why do you run away? Were you one of the men defending Bama?

If you want us to take 35km range as word of god, then you must accept 6km ceiling as word of god!

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That 6.5 km altitude is ONLY for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly with the missile into the air, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the missile altitude becomes 18 km.

In air to air combat, the Jet fighter's maximum altitude becomes the missiles maximum altitude.....Simple common sense is NOT common in South Africa.....

50 million fools live in ANC prison yard, no wonder Dangote screwed one billion Rand free cash out of your corporate entities pockets and your dundee CEOs did not even notice until the cash has entered Nigerian bank....Fools

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patches689:


You are so incredibly stu.pid

Nope, it is South Africa that is stupiid enough to build a dry land only army with no single amphibious armoured vehicle and you say it is 'standardization' by your nation of 50 million genetic fools
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agaugust:


[size=20pt]

That 6.5 km altitude is ONLY for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly with the missile into the air, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the missile altitude becomes 18 km.

In air to air combat, the Jet fighter's maximum altitude becomes the missiles maximum altitude.....Simple common sense is NOT common in South Africa.....

50 million fools live in ANC prison yard, no wonder Dangote screwed one billion Rand free cash out of your corporate entities pockets and your dundee CEOs did not even notice until the cash has entered Nigerian bank....Fools

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[size=20pt]Why can it fly 35km AWAY from the Ground launcher but only 6km ABOVE it?

Why can the missile still receive information from the fire-control radar 35km AWAY from the missile.... but not receive information from the fire-control radar 6km away from the missile?

Simple question!! Answer it!! [/size]