agaugust:


I did, but you have cataract blinding your eyes.

Let me show you more, in 2010 a new F-7 variant was ready and ordered in 2011 by Bangladesh with all these capabilities :

"F-7BGI Upgraded version for Bangladesh Air Force ordered in 2011. Based on J-7G, guided munition capable.

1) F-7 BGI has a speed of Mach 2.2
2) 7 Hard-points to carry air-to-air missiles, laser-guided bomb, GPS-guided bombs, drop tanks
3) Full glass cockpit.
4) can carry 3000 kg bomb, including Chinese laser-guided bombs.
5) F-7 BGI has KLJ-6F radar Fire control Radar with 86 km+ Range which is near BVR or BVR considering what is the silver lining between them and can track 6 and engage 2 enemy aircraft simultaneously.
6) F-7 BGI can carry C-704 Antiship Missiles (Therefore maritime also possible)
7) afterburner- F-7 BGI (82 kN) thrust
8.) Missiles procurement are currently unknown for F-7 BGI but they can fire the 70-75 km range PL-12,PL-11 and also PL-7, PL-8, PL-9, Magic R.550 and AIM-9 .
9) F-7 BGI got J-7G2 Airframe with double delta wing. This improves the lift at high angles of attack and delays or prevents stalling.
10) G-limit: +8 g / -3 g
11) Service ceiling: 17,500 m (57,420 ft) for F-7 BGI
12) 3 Multi functional HUD displays and Hotas.
13) Chinese Helmet Mounted Sights.
14) Reportedly more maneuverable than most of the Mig21s and many of the other contemporary fighters."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7

Your stupiid question is like asking what is the difference between a 1960 Mirage III and it's 2005 upgrade called Cheetah by SAAF
.

What does a bangladeshi F-7 have to do with yours?

F-7BGI =/= F-7NI

agaugust:


Nope, it is South Africa that is stupiid enough to build a dry land only army with no single amphibious armoured vehicle and you say it is 'standardization' by your nation of 50 million genetic fools
.

This guy is from the shallow end of the gene pool

If we needed amphibious abilities we would have built the ratel badger to incorporate them

agaugust:


I did, but you have cataract blinding your eyes.

Let me show you more, in 2010 a new F-7 variant was ready and ordered in 2011 by Bangladesh with all these capabilities :

"F-7BGI Upgraded version for Bangladesh Air Force ordered in 2011. Based on J-7G, guided munition capable.

1) F-7 BGI has a speed of Mach 2.2
2) 7 Hard-points to carry air-to-air missiles, laser-guided bomb, GPS-guided bombs, drop tanks
3) Full glass cockpit.
4) can carry 3000 kg bomb, including Chinese laser-guided bombs.
5) F-7 BGI has KLJ-6F radar Fire control Radar with 86 km+ Range which is near BVR or BVR considering what is the silver lining between them and can track 6 and engage 2 enemy aircraft simultaneously.
6) F-7 BGI can carry C-704 Antiship Missiles (Therefore maritime also possible)
7) afterburner- F-7 BGI (82 kN) thrust
8.) Missiles procurement are currently unknown for F-7 BGI but they can fire the 70-75 km range PL-12,PL-11 and also PL-7, PL-8, PL-9, Magic R.550 and AIM-9 .
9) F-7 BGI got J-7G2 Airframe with double delta wing. This improves the lift at high angles of attack and delays or prevents stalling.
10) G-limit: +8 g / -3 g
11) Service ceiling: 17,500 m (57,420 ft) for F-7 BGI
12) 3 Multi functional HUD displays and Hotas.
13) Chinese Helmet Mounted Sights.
14) Reportedly more maneuverable than most of the Mig21s and many of the other contemporary fighters."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7

Your stupiid question is like asking what is the difference between a 1960 Mirage III and it's 2005 upgrade called Cheetah by SAAF
.

Still have not answered the question.

agaugust:


With ZERO combat experience in 20 years
.

training > experience

agaugust:


You have no technical facts or expert opinion to counter my points, so you avoid the debate. Cool , really cool.

See the part of your post I bolded above, my post forced you to swallow your words, you said yesterday that Gripen C/D is better than the upgraded Indian Su-30 MKI and the latest Russian Su-30 SM Flanker.

Only a poorly informed man will stand in a public military debate and say that a Gripen with weak maneuverability, poor combat radius, small payload, 120 km radar, is better than a Su-30 MKI with super maneuverability, very long combat radius, heavy payload, 400 km radar.

You too just look at yourself and see the rubbish comparison and conclusion you made, then you come here and say you work close to air force pilots, you think we are fools here?

No insult intended, but match your mouth power with brain power and avoid trapping yourself with errors my brother.

I now suspect you are a South African pretending to be Angolan, can you speak Portuguese?

I don't trust you !
.

So my friend what you saying I should agree with what you are saying here or else I'm a South African. No offense but you are a crazy guy.

We are not on the same level, you deal with myths and fantasies while I service planes in real live.

On the Portuguese issue if I were you I would leave that one aside because I'm not going on the usual african inferiority syndrome of resorting to culture/clan when someone has a disagreement with you.

In the meantime I'm fascinated by your broad imagination.

agaugust:


You have no technical facts or expert opinion to counter my points, so you avoid the debate. Cool , really cool.

See the part of your post I bolded above, my post forced you to swallow your words, you said yesterday that Gripen C/D is better than the upgraded Indian Su-30 MKI and the latest Russian Su-30 SM Flanker.

Only a poorly informed man will stand in a public military debate and say that a Gripen with weak maneuverability, poor combat radius, small payload, 120 km radar, is better than a Su-30 MKI with super maneuverability, very long combat radius, heavy payload, 400 km radar.

You too just look at yourself and see the rubbish comparison and conclusion you made, then you come here and say you work close to air force pilots, you think we are fools here?

No insult intended, but match your mouth power with brain power and avoid trapping yourself with errors my brother.

I now suspect you are a South African pretending to be Angolan, can you speak Portuguese?

I don't trust you !
.

Gripen is better than the Su30M/K - confirmed by independant analysts

While the F-16C Block 50/52+ could only sort of break even with the SU-30MKK in terms of overall air combat performance, the Gripen C clearly trounces the Flanker-G in BVR and WVR avenues of air combat, .
http://www.rhk111smilitaryandarmspage.com/the-flanker-g-killer-the-jas-39c-gripen-versus-the-su-30mkkmk2-flanker-g/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-flanker-g-killer-the-jas-39c-gripen-versus-the-su-30mkkmk2-flanker-g

[size=16]

@AGAUGUST STOP TURNING YOURSELF INTO A MONKEY JOKE AND INSTEAD FACE THE REALITY WITH FACTS. GRIPEN WILL NOT FEAR YOUR F7 EVEN IF WE WERE TO ARM IT WITH THE BEST BVR IN THE WORLD, HENCE I REPEAT THIS POST.[/size]

[size=16]EVEN IF AN F7 JET CAN BE ARMED WITH BVR IT WILL STILL NOT DEFEAT GRIPEN JET. THE GRIPEN JET WILL DETECT IT FIRST WITH ITS WIDER DETECTION RADAR AND STAND A CHANCE TO FIRE THE FIRST SHOT. THE F7 CANNOT FIRE THE MISSILE UNLESS IT HAS DETECTED THE GRIPEN AND WHAT SADDENS THE MOST IS THE FACT THAT BEFORE IT CAN DETECT THE POSITION OF THE GRIPEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LONG DETECTED BY GRIPEN AND HENCE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD. THE BVR IS NOT THE BEST PLATFORM FOR J7/F7 BECAUSE IT HAS POOR DETECTION RADAR. THE ENEMY WILL ALWAYS DETECT IT FIRST AND APPROACH IT FROM BEHIND OR FROM ITS WEAKEST LINK.[/size]

agaugust:




That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls.

Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face !
.

NO MEDICINE IN THE WHOLE WORLD CAN CURE YOUR MENTAL SICKNESS.

YOUR SOURCE CLEARLY SPEAKS ABOUT SAM VARIANT AND JUST UNDERNEATH THEY ALSO REFLECTED THAT THE OTHER VARIANT IS AIR-TO-AIR WHICH WITH THE RANGE OF 22KM.

HOWEVER, EVEN IF WE WERE TO GIVE NIGERIAN F7 JET A BVR WITH 120KM, IT WILL STILL NOT DEFEAT GRIPEN BECAUSE OF ITS POOR DETECTION RADAR. GRIPEN WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE UPPER HAND OF DETECTING IT FIRST.

MikeCZAR:
. That lost towns to Boko Haram?

Maintaining what?

lose what town?,last time i checked,no town with boko haram.

TAKEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH.

HE SPEAKS BAD OF F7 ON BEEGEAGLE AND NOW HERE HE WANTS TO SCARE US WITH 1955 MACHINE WITH A MERE FIRE CONTROL RADAR OF JUST 22KM.


Augustine on December 30, 2014 at 12:25
am


F-7 jet is a waste of money, a disgrace for
NAF to fly a year 1955 design aircraft in
2015.
Do poor nations Eritrea and Uganda fly
F-7 jets?
If my country does not love me, well me I
love my country, I won’t pray for myself
to buy Kia Picanto when my neighbours
on the same street are buying Toyota
Camry. Why should I pray for Nigeria to
waste money of F-7 jet? 4 crashed in 4
years like annual ritual.
Sell off all NAF the F-7NI jets to South
Sudan or Congo DRC and transfer skills to
them.
Use NAF Mi-35 Hinds to launch our PGM
now if guided weapons are urgent for use
against Boko Haram.
Su-25 SM version PGM armed is the jet
Nigerian needs for COIN.
JF-17 Block II and Su-30 MKI…..those are
the jets Nigeria needs for multi-role/air
superiority today and beyond today.



https://beegeagle./2014/12/26/nigerian-air-force-gunship-crew-and-a-modernised-2014-delivery-mi-35p-attack-helicopter/

agaugust:




That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls.

Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face !
.

This shows your level of misunderstanding.

It is a 80s IR homing missile.

What you're saying doesn't make sense.

agaugust:


It's been plenty of fun T.O.R.M.E.N.T.I.N.G you with NAF BVR missile 35 km range

That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls.

Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face !
.

Even if NAF F-7 were armed with BVRAAM(s) they still stand no chance.

agaugust:


Withdraw and leave the treaty first before you boast here about nuclear weapons.

Nigeria too can pull and leave the same treaty, get it ? Or you tied our own legs with a rope while yours is dangling free ?
.

How. You have no means to enreach to even low grade fuel level never mind high end bomb grade.

We have a enreaching procces and we could easily start it up again.

AGAUGUST WANTS TO COMPETE WITH A MACHINE WORTH A RADAR COVERAGE OF OVER 220 KM. A PERFECT PLATFORM FOR BVR.

YOU ARE TAKING CHANCES BOY.

patches689:


[size=16pt]Why can it fly 35km AWAY from the Ground launcher but only 6km ABOVE it?

Why can the missile still receive information from the fire-control radar 35km AWAY from the missile.... but not receive information from the fire-control radar 6km away from the missile?

Simple question!! Answer it!! [/size]

[size=20pt]

Look here dude, I have taken air defence warfare courses under ex-military men in a private company, not on internet.

Answer for your 50 million people South African nation of half-brains that are at the bottom of world table in maths and science :

Missiles and communication base fire control radars usually have shorter data transmission range vertically than horizontally.

Proof :

SANDF Umkhonto missile has 20 km long range horizontally, but only 8 km short 'range' or altitude/ceiling vertically.

"Performance Characteristics

Range : 20 km
Ceiling : 8 km
Maximum Mach No. : 2
Time of flight to 8 km:18 s"

http://www.deneldynamics.co.za/products/missiles/air-defence-missiles/umkhonto

Why is that so with Umkhonto missile? Answer it.....all South African citizens are born as dumbo dundee domingos

. [/size]

dacostaANG:
So my friend what you saying I should agree with what you are saying here or else I'm a South African. No offense but you are a crazy guy.
We are not on the same level, you deal with myths and fantasies while I service planes in real live.
On the Portuguese issue if I were you I would leave that one aside because I'm not going on the usual african inferiority syndrome of resorting to culture/clan when someone has a disagreement with you.
In the meantime I'm fascinated by your broad imagination.

"not on the same level"?,of course we arent on the same level,you cant compare ordinary angola with Nigeria.
Man,you cant even write in fluent coherent english,i know that you emerged from a portugese colony,but damn!,you murder english more than a russian illiterate.
Do you think that you are discussing with novices here?
you service planes in real life?,yeah right,we are talking about fighter jets here,not crop sprayers.

agaugust:


[size=20pt]

Look here dude, I have taken air defence warfare courses under ex-military men in a private company, not on internet.

Answer for your 50 million people South African nation of half-brains that are at the bottom of world table in maths and science :

Missiles and communication base fire control radars usually have shorter data transmission range vertically than horizontally.

Proof :

SANDF Umkhonto missile has 20 km long range horizontally, but only 8 km short 'range' or altitude/ceiling vertically.

"Performance Characteristics

Range : 20 km
Ceiling : 8 km
Maximum Mach No. : 2
Time of flight to 8 km:18 s"

http://www.deneldynamics.co.za/products/missiles/air-defence-missiles/umkhonto

Why is that so with Umkhonto missile, answer it.....all South African citizens are born as dumbo dundee domingos

. [/size]

[size=18]It is amazing that SA are at the bottom of Non-academic rating of Maths and Science not in the world but in the small brains of WEF, yet they lead Africa in terms of Medical science, Engineering and defence technology. Is that not ironic? We know that our students score more than all African countries in international maths and science exams, not some flawed survey compiled by some illiterate business men at their back yards by portraying their anger on the current black government.


However, before I complete my statement, I suggest that you get a better education because the one you currently acquired in Nigeria is regrettable.[/size]

agaugust:



That is for ground launch because the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne jet fighter and F-7 altitude is almost 18 km so the altitude becomes 18 km, and the Gripen is inferior in altitude, so it flies below the F-7 at 15 km , that NAF shoots down SAAF from above your pilots' coconut skulls.

Take it like a man, defeat is bitter, but please me a man....swallow your medicine, it is the inevitable fate and destiny you face !
.

You need science bro!!!!

dacostaANG:


So my friend what you saying I should agree with what you are saying here or else I'm a South African. No offense but you are a crazy guy.

We are not on the same level, you deal with myths and fantasies while I service planes in real live.

On the Portuguese issue if I were you I would leave that one aside because I'm not going on the usual african inferiority syndrome of resorting to culture/clan when someone has a disagreement with you.

In the meantime I'm fascinated by your broad imagination.

LMAO!

agaugust:


[size=20pt]

Look here dude, I have taken air defence warfare courses under ex-military men in a private company, not on internet.

Answer for your 50 million people South African nation of half-brains that are at the bottom of world table in maths and science :

Missiles and communication base fire control radars usually have shorter data transmission range vertically than horizontally.

Proof :

SANDF Umkhonto missile has 20 km long range horizontally, but only 8 km short 'range' or altitude/ceiling vertically.

"Performance Characteristics

Range : 20 km
Ceiling : 8 km
Maximum Mach No. : 2
Time of flight to 8 km:18 s"

http://www.deneldynamics.co.za/products/missiles/air-defence-missiles/umkhonto

Why is that so with Umkhonto missile, answer it.....all South African citizens are born as dumbo dundee domingos

. [/size]

So you thus confirm that the stats for the PL-9C missile are for a ground launcher?

You thus confirm that we are talking about two different missiles! You thus confirm that one is guided by one means and another by a different means!

Thank you very much

Also, the irony that you call South Africans b.umb and bottom of the table of science and math... yet post info about a SAM missile we have built while your own country cannot even scrape together an AFV

BOKO HARAM KIDNAPPED MORE THAN 400 WOMEN



http://saharareporters.com/2015/03/25/boko-haram-kidnaps-400-women-damask

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patches689:


Also, the irony that you call South Africans b.umb and bottom of the table of science and math... yet post info about a SAM missile we have built while your own country cannot even scrape together an AFV

[/size]

Msauza:




[size=13]It is amazing that SA are at the bottom of Non-academic rating of Maths and Science not in the world but in the small brains of WEF, yet they lead Africa in terms of Medical science, Engineering and defence technology. Is that not ironic? We know that our students score more than all African countries in international maths and science exams, not some flawed survey compiled by some illiterate business men at their back yards by portraying their anger on the current black government.

.[/size]

[size=20pt]Israeli technology transfer from 1960s to 1980s to South Africa, the best Israeli engineers were imported with all missile a d rocket science technology into South. Africa to build your defense industry.

European countries like British BAE and German Rheinmetal have also established defense equipment manufacturing factories inside South Africa in full technology transfer with European engineering expatriates working for you daily.

Did your retaarded black brains create the BMW cars manufactured inside South Africa?

Your over hyped nation is run by foreign brains not your dull Soweto parasites who live on government cash support for the millions of men who refuse to go to school or to do any work


. [/size]

agaugust:


Standardization does not stop an army from buying many types of vehicles. An standard army needs :

Helicopter sling portable light LAV
Medium LAV

1. WTF is a "medium" AFV
2. You have no helo's that can carry your existing LAV's...

So, this is just ridiculous.

agaugust:

Wheeled IFV
Tracked IFV

Not neccesariliy, but ok.

So you need 3 platforms (LAV, Wheeled IFV, tracked IFV)

agaugust:

APC
Aeroplane lift-able IFV

Basically every wheeled IFV is air transportable

IFV sans turret = APC

So, we are still at 3 needed vehicals

agaugust:

Tank destroyer
MBT
Amphibious Light tank
Amphibious LAV
Amphibious IFV

First, what the actual fvck is a "tank destroyer"... its 2014 buddy, apart from missile armed IFV's and AFV's there is no such thing. O... wait... you are talking about armed Recon and fire support... OK.

Not to mention that you can slap missiles on an IFV and TA-DA - tank destroyer.

There are dozens of IFV's that are amphibious.

So, we have narrowed it down to:

1. IFV (Wheeled) = Amphibious, air-transportable, can be an APC
2. IFV (tracked) = Amphibious, air-transportable, is basically a "light tank" if you buy the right one
3. Fire-Support/Recon AFV
4. LAV = Amphibious, air-transportable, can be an APC
5. MBT

So there you have it, you need around 5 vehical types in your army.

Nigeria has 26 (excluding MRAP's)

26 different vehicals =

- logistical nightmare
- training nightmare
- doctrineal nightmare
- operational nightmare
- maintenance nightmare

26 different vehicals shows nothing but a lack of foresight, planning, peace-time preperation, cohesive doctrine. It is the mark of a second rate military.

agaugust:


[size=20pt]Israeli technology transfer from 1960s to 1980s to South Africa, the best Israeli engineers were imported with all missile a d rocket science technology into South. Africa to build your defense industry.

European countries like British BAE and German Rheinmetal have also established defense equipment manufacturing factories inside South Africa in full technology transfer with European engineering expatriates working for you daily.

Did your retaarded black brains create the BMW cars manufactured inside South Africa?

Your over hyped nation is run by foreign brains not your dull Soweto parasites who live on government cash support for the millions of men who refuse to go to school or to do any work


. [/size]

Yet Nigeria is unable to do even this.

What does that say about your intellect?

Patchesagain:


Relativity speaking

Yes, it would be the same balance of power.

Pally relax, here u lie big time...SANDF is ok but not to the world power u r eyeing

ukemeramat:

Pally relax, here u lie big time...SANDF is ok but not to the world power u r eyeing

Thats why i said realtivly speaking

What America was to Iraq in terms of technological advantage is what the SANDF is to Nigeria

agaugust:


[size=20pt]Israeli technology transfer from 1960s to 1980s to South Africa, the best Israeli engineers were imported with all missile a d rocket science technology into South. Africa to build your defense industry.

European countries like British BAE and German Rheinmetal have also established defense equipment manufacturing factories inside South Africa in full technology transfer with European engineering expatriates working for you daily.

Did your retaarded black brains create the BMW cars manufactured inside South Africa?

Your over hyped nation is run by foreign brains not your dull Soweto parasites who live on government cash support for the millions of men who refuse to go to school or to do any work


. [/size]

[size=20]Chief, almost everything was developed through transfer of skills including Maths and Science. Why does it have to bother me where SA got the skills from. The world all over has acquired every Mathematical skills from Einstein and others.

It doesn't matter where do we get education from, but SA leads Africa in Medical science, Engineering and Defence technology. BAE, German Rheinmetal established their businesses in SA knowing for sure that South African universities are competitive in terms of producing quality engineers in the world and so is BMW automobile company. Many models of BMW were designed in SA by South Africans using the education acquired from SA.[/size]

patches689:


So you thus confirm that the stats for the PL-9C missile are for a ground launcher?

You thus confirm that we are talking about two different missiles! You thus confirm that one is guided by one means and another by a different means!

Nope, I proved that you are very wrong and half illiterate.

Stop running away from my simple question, why does Umkhonto missile fly 20 km range but only 8 km altitude ? Why ?

So if DENEL makes Umkhonto version for Gripen jet that flies at 15 km, the Gripen must descend down to 8 km to fire the Umkhonto missile?

Are you sick? Yes you are mentallly sick !

Have you ever seen air to air missile data with maximum ceiling or altitude ?

The maximum altitude of any air to air missile is equal to the maximum altitude of the jet fighter launching it. Fool

Also, my photo showed you that when a modern day missile is strictly ground launch version, they are stored/cased inside silos/boxes, or tubes

When it is same missile that is attached to aircraft pylons/hardpoint for air launch, the missiles are also pylon/hardpoint attached to launcher in the ground based version because it's exactly the same missile.

PHOTO 1 : PL-9C AIR LAUNCH, OPEN ON PYLON

PHOTO 2 : PL-9C GROUND LAUNCH, OPEN ON PYLON

PHOTO 3 : UMKHONTO MISSILE STRICTLY GROUND LAUNCH ONLY, CLOSED, ENCLOSED INSIDE SILOS/TUBE/BOX COVER
.

EVarn:
"not on the same level"?,of course we arent on the same level,you cant compare ordinary angola with Nigeria.
Man,you cant even write in fluent coherent english,i know that you emerged from a portugese colony,but damn!,you murder english more than a russian illiterate.
Do you think that you are discussing with novices here?
you service planes in real life?,yeah right,we are talking about fighter jets here,not crop sprayers.

Ok for a guy who speaks about others murdering English yet they can't even spell Portuguese correctly you are very funny. On the plane issue we call them crop dusters you I.d.iot.


You Nigerians think you are the centre of Africa.

Nigeria don't even have a air superiority aircraft in service as we speak yet you call Angola ordinary.

Relax please english is not my preferred means of communication but don't ever think you're dealing with a fool here. Keep your rage to yourself and go educate yourself before trying to act like Queen Elizabeth.

agaugust:


Nope, I proved that you are very wrong and half illiterate.

Stop running away from my simple question, why does Umkhonto missile fly 20 km range but only 8 km altitude ? Why ?

So if DENEL makes Umkhonto version for Gripen jet that flies at 15 km, the Gripen must descend down to 8 km to fire the Umkhonto missile?

Are you sick? Yes you are mentallly sick !

Have you ever seen air to air missile data with maximum ceiling or altitude ?

The maximum altitude of any air to air missile is equal to the maximum altitude of the jet fighter launching it. Fool

Also, my photo showed you that when a modern day missile is strictly ground launch version, they are stored/cased inside silos/boxes, or tubes

When it is same missile that is attached to aircraft pylons/hardpoint for air launch, the missiles are also pylon/hardpoint attached to launcher in the ground based version because it's exactly the same missile.

PHOTO 1 : PL-9C AIR LAUNCH, OPEN ON PYLON

PHOTO 2 : PL-9C GROUND LAUNCH, OPEN ON PYLON

PHOTO 3 : UMKHONTO MISSILE STRICTLY GROUND LAUNCH ONLY, CLOSED, ENCLOSED INSIDE SILOS/TUBE/BOX COVER
.

THOSE ARE CLEARLY TWO VARIANTS OF MISSILES, ONE IS PL-9 AAM AND THE OTHER IS PL-9C SHORAD.


DUMMY.

agaugust:


Nope, I proved that you are very wrong and half illiterate.

Stop running away from my simple question, why does Umkhonto missile fly 20 km range but only 8 km altitude ? Why ?

So if DENEL makes Umkhonto version for Gripen jet that flies at 15 km, the Gripen must descend down to 8 km to fire the Umkhonto missile?

Are you sick? Yes you are mentallly sick !

Have you ever seen air to air missile data with maximum ceiling or altitude ?

The maximum altitude of any air to air missile is equal to the maximum altitude of the jet fighter launching it. Fool

Also, my photo showed you that when a modern day missile is strictly ground launch version, they are stored/cased inside silos/boxes, or tubes

When it is same missile that is attached to aircraft pylons/hardpoint for air launch, the missiles are also pylon/hardpoint attached to launcher in the ground based version because it's exactly the same missile.

PHOTO 1 : PL-9C AIR LAUNCH, OPEN ON PYLON

PHOTO 2 : PL-9C GROUND LAUNCH, OPEN ON PYLON

PHOTO 3 : UMKHONTO MISSILE STRICTLY GROUND LAUNCH ONLY, CLOSED, ENCLOSED INSIDE SILOS/TUBE/BOX COVER
.

Augustus

I am seeing lots of opinion and no citations.

If it has 35km range then it has a ceiling of 6km

Simple as that
The wording of the source is the word of god!

Also: [size=15pt]please explain why the Uhmkonto has a shorter range but a higher service ceiling than the PLC9 SAM[/size]

SA IS TEACHING CHINA THE TECH OF MISSILES.

NOTICE SIMILARITIES.



http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.181/pub_detail.asp