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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:18am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: What does a bangladeshi F-7 have to do with yours? F-7BGI =/= F-7NI |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:20am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: This guy is from the shallow end of the gene pool If we needed amphibious abilities we would have built the ratel badger to incorporate them |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 5:54am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: Still have not answered the question. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 6:37am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: training > experience |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by dacostaANG: 6:43am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: So my friend what you saying I should agree with what you are saying here or else I'm a South African. No offense but you are a crazy guy. We are not on the same level, you deal with myths and fantasies while I service planes in real live. On the Portuguese issue if I were you I would leave that one aside because I'm not going on the usual african inferiority syndrome of resorting to culture/clan when someone has a disagreement with you. In the meantime I'm fascinated by your broad imagination. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 6:51am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: Gripen is better than the Su30M/K - confirmed by independant analysts While the F-16C Block 50/52+ could only sort of break even with the SU-30MKK in terms of overall air combat performance, the Gripen C clearly trounces the Flanker-G in BVR and WVR avenues of air combat, . http://www.rhk111smilitaryandarmspage.com/the-flanker-g-killer-the-jas-39c-gripen-versus-the-su-30mkkmk2-flanker-g/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-flanker-g-killer-the-jas-39c-gripen-versus-the-su-30mkkmk2-flanker-g 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 6:52am On Mar 25, 2015 |
[size=16] @AGAUGUST STOP TURNING YOURSELF INTO A MONKEY JOKE AND INSTEAD FACE THE REALITY WITH FACTS. GRIPEN WILL NOT FEAR YOUR F7 EVEN IF WE WERE TO ARM IT WITH THE BEST BVR IN THE WORLD, HENCE I REPEAT THIS POST.[/size] [size=16]EVEN IF AN F7 JET CAN BE ARMED WITH BVR IT WILL STILL NOT DEFEAT GRIPEN JET. THE GRIPEN JET WILL DETECT IT FIRST WITH ITS WIDER DETECTION RADAR AND STAND A CHANCE TO FIRE THE FIRST SHOT. THE F7 CANNOT FIRE THE MISSILE UNLESS IT HAS DETECTED THE GRIPEN AND WHAT SADDENS THE MOST IS THE FACT THAT BEFORE IT CAN DETECT THE POSITION OF THE GRIPEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LONG DETECTED BY GRIPEN AND HENCE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD. THE BVR IS NOT THE BEST PLATFORM FOR J7/F7 BECAUSE IT HAS POOR DETECTION RADAR. THE ENEMY WILL ALWAYS DETECT IT FIRST AND APPROACH IT FROM BEHIND OR FROM ITS WEAKEST LINK.[/size] |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 7:06am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: NO MEDICINE IN THE WHOLE WORLD CAN CURE YOUR MENTAL SICKNESS. YOUR SOURCE CLEARLY SPEAKS ABOUT SAM VARIANT AND JUST UNDERNEATH THEY ALSO REFLECTED THAT THE OTHER VARIANT IS AIR-TO-AIR WHICH WITH THE RANGE OF 22KM. HOWEVER, EVEN IF WE WERE TO GIVE NIGERIAN F7 JET A BVR WITH 120KM, IT WILL STILL NOT DEFEAT GRIPEN BECAUSE OF ITS POOR DETECTION RADAR. GRIPEN WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE UPPER HAND OF DETECTING IT FIRST. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 7:08am On Mar 25, 2015 |
MikeCZAR:lose what town?,last time i checked,no town with boko haram. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 8:10am On Mar 25, 2015 |
TAKEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. HE SPEAKS BAD OF F7 ON BEEGEAGLE AND NOW HERE HE WANTS TO SCARE US WITH 1955 MACHINE WITH A MERE FIRE CONTROL RADAR OF JUST 22KM. Augustine on December 30, 2014 at 12:25 am F-7 jet is a waste of money, a disgrace for NAF to fly a year 1955 design aircraft in 2015. Do poor nations Eritrea and Uganda fly F-7 jets? If my country does not love me, well me I love my country, I won’t pray for myself to buy Kia Picanto when my neighbours on the same street are buying Toyota Camry. Why should I pray for Nigeria to waste money of F-7 jet? 4 crashed in 4 years like annual ritual. Sell off all NAF the F-7NI jets to South Sudan or Congo DRC and transfer skills to them. Use NAF Mi-35 Hinds to launch our PGM now if guided weapons are urgent for use against Boko Haram. Su-25 SM version PGM armed is the jet Nigerian needs for COIN. JF-17 Block II and Su-30 MKI…..those are the jets Nigeria needs for multi-role/air superiority today and beyond today. https://beegeagle./2014/12/26/nigerian-air-force-gunship-crew-and-a-modernised-2014-delivery-mi-35p-attack-helicopter/ 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 8:13am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust:This shows your level of misunderstanding. It is a 80s IR homing missile. What you're saying doesn't make sense. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 8:24am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: Even if NAF F-7 were armed with BVRAAM(s) they still stand no chance. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 8:26am On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: How. You have no means to enreach to even low grade fuel level never mind high end bomb grade. We have a enreaching procces and we could easily start it up again. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:56am On Mar 25, 2015 |
AGAUGUST WANTS TO COMPETE WITH A MACHINE WORTH A RADAR COVERAGE OF OVER 220 KM. A PERFECT PLATFORM FOR BVR. YOU ARE TAKING CHANCES BOY. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:02pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
patches689: [size=20pt] Look here dude, I have taken air defence warfare courses under ex-military men in a private company, not on internet. Answer for your 50 million people South African nation of half-brains that are at the bottom of world table in maths and science : Missiles and communication base fire control radars usually have shorter data transmission range vertically than horizontally. Proof : SANDF Umkhonto missile has 20 km long range horizontally, but only 8 km short 'range' or altitude/ceiling vertically. "Performance Characteristics Range : 20 km Ceiling : 8 km Maximum Mach No. : 2 Time of flight to 8 km:18 s" http://www.deneldynamics.co.za/products/missiles/air-defence-missiles/umkhonto Why is that so with Umkhonto missile? Answer it.....all South African citizens are born as dumbo dundee domingos ![]() ![]() ![]() . [/size] 3 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 12:13pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
dacostaANG:"not on the same level"?,of course we arent on the same level,you cant compare ordinary angola with Nigeria. Man,you cant even write in fluent coherent english,i know that you emerged from a portugese colony,but damn!,you murder english more than a russian illiterate. Do you think that you are discussing with novices here? you service planes in real life?,yeah right,we are talking about fighter jets here,not crop sprayers. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 12:16pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: [size=18]It is amazing that SA are at the bottom of Non-academic rating of Maths and Science not in the world but in the small brains of WEF, yet they lead Africa in terms of Medical science, Engineering and defence technology. Is that not ironic? We know that our students score more than all African countries in international maths and science exams, not some flawed survey compiled by some illiterate business men at their back yards by portraying their anger on the current black government. However, before I complete my statement, I suggest that you get a better education because the one you currently acquired in Nigeria is regrettable.[/size] 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:39pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust:You need science bro!!!! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Centrifude(m): 12:39pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
dacostaANG: LMAO! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:51pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: So you thus confirm that the stats for the PL-9C missile are for a ground launcher? You thus confirm that we are talking about two different missiles! You thus confirm that one is guided by one means and another by a different means! Thank you very much Also, the irony that you call South Africans b.umb and bottom of the table of science and math... yet post info about a SAM missile we have built while your own country cannot even scrape together an AFV 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 1:03pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
BOKO HARAM KIDNAPPED MORE THAN 400 WOMEN http://saharareporters.com/2015/03/25/boko-haram-kidnaps-400-women-damask |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:08pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
[size=13pt] patches689:[/size] Msauza: [size=20pt]Israeli technology transfer from 1960s to 1980s to South Africa, the best Israeli engineers were imported with all missile a d rocket science technology into South. Africa to build your defense industry. European countries like British BAE and German Rheinmetal have also established defense equipment manufacturing factories inside South Africa in full technology transfer with European engineering expatriates working for you daily. Did your retaarded black brains create the BMW cars manufactured inside South Africa? Your over hyped nation is run by foreign brains not your dull Soweto parasites who live on government cash support for the millions of men who refuse to go to school or to do any work ![]() ![]() ![]() . [/size] |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:08pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: 1. WTF is a "medium" AFV 2. You have no helo's that can carry your existing LAV's... So, this is just ridiculous. agaugust: Not neccesariliy, but ok. So you need 3 platforms (LAV, Wheeled IFV, tracked IFV) agaugust: Basically every wheeled IFV is air transportable IFV sans turret = APC So, we are still at 3 needed vehicals agaugust: First, what the actual fvck is a "tank destroyer"... its 2014 buddy, apart from missile armed IFV's and AFV's there is no such thing. O... wait... you are talking about armed Recon and fire support... OK. Not to mention that you can slap missiles on an IFV and TA-DA - tank destroyer. There are dozens of IFV's that are amphibious. So, we have narrowed it down to: 1. IFV (Wheeled) = Amphibious, air-transportable, can be an APC 2. IFV (tracked) = Amphibious, air-transportable, is basically a "light tank" if you buy the right one 3. Fire-Support/Recon AFV 4. LAV = Amphibious, air-transportable, can be an APC 5. MBT So there you have it, you need around 5 vehical types in your army. Nigeria has 26 (excluding MRAP's) 26 different vehicals = - logistical nightmare - training nightmare - doctrineal nightmare - operational nightmare - maintenance nightmare 26 different vehicals shows nothing but a lack of foresight, planning, peace-time preperation, cohesive doctrine. It is the mark of a second rate military. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:09pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: Yet Nigeria is unable to do even this. What does that say about your intellect? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ukemeramat(m): 1:17pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
Patchesagain:Pally relax, here u lie big time...SANDF is ok but not to the world power u r eyeing |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:29pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
ukemeramat: Thats why i said realtivly speaking What America was to Iraq in terms of technological advantage is what the SANDF is to Nigeria 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 1:29pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: [size=20]Chief, almost everything was developed through transfer of skills including Maths and Science. Why does it have to bother me where SA got the skills from. The world all over has acquired every Mathematical skills from Einstein and others. It doesn't matter where do we get education from, but SA leads Africa in Medical science, Engineering and Defence technology. BAE, German Rheinmetal established their businesses in SA knowing for sure that South African universities are competitive in terms of producing quality engineers in the world and so is BMW automobile company. Many models of BMW were designed in SA by South Africans using the education acquired from SA.[/size] 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:30pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
patches689: Nope, I proved that you are very wrong and half illiterate. Stop running away from my simple question, why does Umkhonto missile fly 20 km range but only 8 km altitude ? Why ? So if DENEL makes Umkhonto version for Gripen jet that flies at 15 km, the Gripen must descend down to 8 km to fire the Umkhonto missile? Are you sick? Yes you are mentallly sick ! Have you ever seen air to air missile data with maximum ceiling or altitude ? The maximum altitude of any air to air missile is equal to the maximum altitude of the jet fighter launching it. Fool ![]() ![]() Also, my photo showed you that when a modern day missile is strictly ground launch version, they are stored/cased inside silos/boxes, or tubes When it is same missile that is attached to aircraft pylons/hardpoint for air launch, the missiles are also pylon/hardpoint attached to launcher in the ground based version because it's exactly the same missile. PHOTO 1 : PL-9C AIR LAUNCH, OPEN ON PYLON PHOTO 2 : PL-9C GROUND LAUNCH, OPEN ON PYLON PHOTO 3 : UMKHONTO MISSILE STRICTLY GROUND LAUNCH ONLY, CLOSED, ENCLOSED INSIDE SILOS/TUBE/BOX COVER .
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by dacostaANG: 1:33pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
EVarn: Ok for a guy who speaks about others murdering English yet they can't even spell Portuguese correctly you are very funny. On the plane issue we call them crop dusters you I.d.iot. You Nigerians think you are the centre of Africa. Nigeria don't even have a air superiority aircraft in service as we speak yet you call Angola ordinary. Relax please english is not my preferred means of communication but don't ever think you're dealing with a fool here. Keep your rage to yourself and go educate yourself before trying to act like Queen Elizabeth. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 1:36pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: THOSE ARE CLEARLY TWO VARIANTS OF MISSILES, ONE IS PL-9 AAM AND THE OTHER IS PL-9C SHORAD. DUMMY. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:37pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
agaugust: Augustus I am seeing lots of opinion and no citations. If it has 35km range then it has a ceiling of 6km Simple as that ![]() The wording of the source is the word of god! Also: [size=15pt]please explain why the Uhmkonto has a shorter range but a higher service ceiling than the PLC9 SAM[/size] |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 1:52pm On Mar 25, 2015 |
SA IS TEACHING CHINA THE TECH OF MISSILES. NOTICE SIMILARITIES. http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.181/pub_detail.asp
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