Henry120:


Your Gripen is the C/D standard. There isn't a shred of doubt about it.

A Gripen should not be mentioned in the same sentence with an SU-30. It's a great disservice and an insult to that marvel of Russian Engineering.

The SU-30 is the world's best 4th Gen fighter.

patches689:


You do realize that your Nigerian and Bangladeshi platforms are still miles behind the Gripen?

agaugust:


You have NO proof
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agaugust:


SAAF did NOT fire ANY missile exercise Lion Effort, it was a video game cat and mouse chase around the air with other countries that have ZERO air combat experience in modern times. The Gripen family of users is a social club of Countries that have NOT fought any war in the past 20 years.

NAF has flown 6,000 combat missions in the past 6 months and we fired near BVR missiles in real combat training with world power Pakistani air force in game of death combat training
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patches689:


Gripen fired the A-darter a few days ago.

Henry120:


This is the most ignorant comment i've read all year.

How an individual could possibly say the Gripen C/D is better than an SU-30 is down right frightening. To even compare a Gripen to an MKI, same MKI that took American F-15's to the cleaners.

The Ignorance in his comment is un-comprehensible.

saengine:


Lol okay. I see. Interesting.

So those missiles on the wingtips are not live. They are training missiles which you said WE DO NOT HAVE.

jln115:

You do realize our retired Cheetahs were able to down F-15s, its nothing to boast about, American fighter are and always will be Kak!
And yes the Gripen C/D is way better than the Su-30, the fact that you say other wise is down right frightening!

dacostaANG:


The SU-30's is a great 3rd gen + fighter but it was built to counter the F-16 and F-18's used by predominantly Western powers. But it no longer holds an edge, that's why Russia is focusing on SU-35's to counter the growing threat of the F-22, F-35(still in development), Gripen Jas39C/NG, Eurofighter and lastly the Rafale.

Since you dream so much can you explain why India the second largest user of the SU-30's outside Russia is currently opting to buy 126 Rafale fighters.

jln115:

Our Gripen have the localy developed Cobra HMD, and allot of the Avionics are also manufactured in SA

And the Gripen is superior to the SU-30 and i backed it up by posting the specs of each aircraft.

Gripen has better:
Wing loading
RCS(better by 9900%, and yes its really better by 9900%)
Range
Stall speed
avionics
ect
ect

and FYI the MAWS and LWS of the SU-30MKM are manufactured in SA.

saengine:


1st Gripen delivered to SAAF in 2008. 2015-2008 =/= 15 years. 15 is a number conjured up in the depths of your imagination. I believe 2 or 3 pilots were sent to Sweden to train on the Gripen before that 1st delivery. How many Nigerian pilots are currently in China for the JF-17's "you're getting this year"?

Keep throwing the number 9 around. We must have an extreme overflow of Hawk pilots by now, since according to what you say non of them move onto the Gripen.

Henry120:


This is the most ignorant comment i've read all year.

How an individual could possibly say the Gripen C/D is better than an SU-30 is down right frightening. To even compare a Gripen to an MKI, same MKI that took American F-15's to the cleaners.

The Ignorance in his comment is un-comprehensible.

Henry120:


Yeah, with your 9 Gripen Pilots after 15 years. "Sure, quite advanced".

agaugust:


You have NO proof
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Henry120:


Your Gripen is the C/D standard. There isn't a shred of doubt about it.

A Gripen should not be mentioned in the same sentence with an SU-30. It's a great disservice and an insult to that marvel of Russian Engineering.

The SU-30 is the world's best 4th Gen fighter.

patches689:


Gripen is better than the Su30M/K - confirmed by independant analysts

While the F-16C Block 50/52+ could only sort of break even with the SU-30MKK in terms of overall air combat performance, the Gripen C clearly trounces the Flanker-G in BVR and WVR avenues of air combat, .

http://www.rhk111smilitaryandarmspage.com/the-flanker-g-killer-the-jas-39c-gripen-versus-the-su-30mkkmk2-flanker-g/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-flanker-g-killer-the-jas-39c-gripen-versus-the-su-30mkkmk2-flanker-g

Now see your own source, an unknown blog, the personal opinion of a blogger civilian man that works in an oil company :

Henry120:


You mothballed them because you are broke.

Your senile Generals purchased a fighter they cannot afford.

You only have 9 Gripen Pilots. Czech republic already has 50 pilots for their Gripen fleet.

You cannot afford Aviation fuel.

You also only have 3 C-130's and 10 Half-French Helicopters for an over 1.2 million square kilometers.

Your A109s spend most of there time in the Hangar than in the Air. Another prime example of incompetence. You bought a mini transport Helicopter you cannot afford.

The SAAF is an example of what an Airforce shouldn't be.

dacostaANG:


How many F-7NI's crashed in the last 5years.

dacostaANG:



Since you dream so much can you explain why India the second largest user of the SU-30's outside Russia is currently opting to buy 126 Rafale fighters.

agaugust:


Dude, are you serious at all ? If we quote the world respected Beegeagle's Blog here now you will complain

Now see your own source, an unknown blog, the personal opinion of a blogger civilian man that works in an oil company :

"I have a Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering degree from a Catholic Extremist school in Manila, Philippines, and have worked in the field of Quality in the Electronics and Oil and Gas sector for many, many years.

But I’ve always been a military enthusiast ever since I was a kid. I remember the most precious books I had then was a Science book about Flight and a book about military aircrafts.

I want to share my views or opinions about military arms and equipment thru this site.

I have other blogs also, feel free to visit any of them anytime:

– rhk111’s Firearms Blog

– rhk111’s Football Blog

– rhk111’s Gadgets and Softwares Blog

– rhk111’s "

http://www.rhk111smilitaryandarmspage.com/about/

Read the blog

He provides a comprehensive analysis



Bwahahahaha

The above is profile of the author and source of South Africans' evidence that Gripen jet is better than Su-30 Flanker.

LOL, this Soweto goats want to come and SCAM us 419 game here
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agaugust:



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hey brother Msauza, you are so terrified by NAF F-7 jet with near BVR 35 km range missiles to the extent that you now type in giant font + bold font + capital letters ? Are you sure this PL-9C missile 35 km range has not driven you close to mental hospital? Do your even sleep well at night? Have you started seeing a psychiatrist now?

Somebody please save this man o ! BVR missile is killing people in South Africa even before NAF started firing it !

Omo, wahala dey o !


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dacostaANG:


The only one deceiving people is you. Why are you threatened by my presence on this forum is it because your country has an inferior air force compared to my beloved Angola. What's wrong with you homezinho. I'm honored that you think I'm a SA citizen while your other fellow call me a "portugese" crop duster Oooops!!! "crop sprayer" mechanic.

There is no 2014 Russian produced SU-30 only India and China currently has licensed production lines for there SU-30MKI and J-11 respectively.

The SU-30's is a great 3rd gen + fighter but it was built to counter the F-16 and F-18's used by predominantly Western powers. But it no longer holds an edge, that's why Russia is focusing on SU-35's to counter the growing threat of the F-22, F-35(still in development), Gripen Jas39C/NG, Eurofighter and lastly the Rafale.

Since you dream so much can you explain why India the second largest user of the SU-30's outside Russia is currently opting to buy 126 Rafale fighters.

agaugust:


Nigerian army has over 200 units of VBL light amphibious armoured vehicles that is easily sling transportable by NAF Mi-35 Hind helicopters

agaugust:

and over 200 units of Cobra medium amphibious armoured vehicles that can by flown by our Mi-171 Terminator helicopters.

agaugust:

Nigeria has over 400 armoured amphibious combat vehicles we can easily carry to combat zone by helicopters hundreds of kilometers away from base to frontline combat location.


This is a modern logistic and mobility capability that South Africa is still praying and fasting to achieve for it's imbalanced military forces

agaugust:


Nigeria has the most advanced 100% black nation driven defense industry in the world.

South Africa is NOT a 100% black nation, you have millions of white European citizens that ruled the country and have been busy transferring technology on a massive scale from their brothers in Europe down to South Africa for over 100 years non-stop.

If Nigeria got that privileged level of white European direct full scale technology transfer, even Japan will envy us by now !
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agaugust:


SAAF Gripen jets were not bold enough to R.ape ordinary Seleka rebels
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agaugust:


Nope, not South African Gripen jets that have weak 22 km short range missiles on basic old version of 1995 Gripen jets
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agaugust:



NAF is confirmed to have got PL-9C near BVR missile training rounds and we flew into live air to air combat training against the powerful Pakistani air force to fire BVR missiles.

agaugust:


Prove it with source. Training round missiles purchase are reported on UN arms log or IISS.

NAF purchased 10 such missiles.

SAAF got ZERO
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Henry120:


The Gripen C/D is barely better than the JF-17 block 1

SU-30

General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 21.935 m (72.97 ft)
Wingspan: 14.7 m (48.2 ft)
Height: 6.36 m (20.85 ft)
Wing area: 62.0 m² (667 ft²)
Empty weight: 18,400 kg[87] (40,565 lb)
Loaded weight: 24,900 kg (54,895 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 38,800 kg (85,600 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Lyulka AL-31FP turbofans with thrust vectoring, 123 kN with afterburner (27,560 lbf) each
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.9[86] (2,100 km/h or 1,300 mph[85]) at altitude; 1,350 km/h, 839 mph near ground level[85]
Range: 3,000 km (1,620 nmi) at altitude; (1,270 km, 690 nmi near ground level; with no external fuel tanks)
Ferry range: 8,000 km (4,320 nmi) with two in-flight refuellings[86]
Endurance: 3.75 hrs (up to 10 hrs with in-flight refuelling)
Service ceiling: 17,300 m (56,800 ft)
Rate of climb: >300 m/s (>45,275 ft/min)
Wing loading: 401 kg/m² (82.3 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.00 (loaded weight with 56% internal fuel)
Maximum g-load: +9 g
Armament

Guns: 1 × 30 mm GSh-30-1 gun (150 rounds)
12 hardpoints: 2 × wing-tip AAM launch rails, 6 × pylons under-wing, 2 × pylon under-engine nacelle, and 2 × pylons in tandem in the "arch" between the engines. It can be increased to 14 using multiple ejector racks. It can carry up to 8 tonnes of external stores.

Air-to-air missiles:

10 × R-77 (AA-12) active radar homing medium range AAM, 100 km
10 × Astra missile active radar homing medium range AAM, 80–110 km
6 × R-27ER (AA-10C) semi-active radar guided, long range AAM 130 km
6 × R-27ET (AA-10D) Infrared homing extended range version, long range AAM 120 km
2 × R-27R (AA-10A) semi-active radar guided, medium range AAM, 80 km
2 × R-27T (AA-10B) infrared homing seeker, medium range AAM, 70 km
6 × R-73 (AA-11) short range AAM, 30 km
3 × Novator KS-172 AAM-L 400 km, Indian/Russian air-to-air missile designed as an "AWACS killer"
Air-to-surface missiles:

3 × Kh-59ME TV guided standoff Missile, 115 km
3 × Kh-59MK active radar homing anti-ship missile, 285 km
4 × Kh-35 anti-ship missile, 130 km
1 × Brahmos supersonic cruise missile, 300 km
3 × Brahmos-M supersonic cruise missile, 300 km
1 × Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile, 1,000 km
6 × Kh-31P/A anti-radar missile, 70 km
6 × Kh-29T/L laser-guided missile, 30 km
4 × S-8 rocket pods (80 unguided rockets)
4 × S-13 rocket pods (20 unguided rockets)
Bombs:

8 × KAB-500L laser-guided bombs
3 × KAB-1500L laser-guided bombs
8 × FAB-500T gravity bomb
28 × OFAB-250-270 gravity bombs
32 × OFAB-100-120 gravity bombs
8 × RBK-500 cluster bombs



Enough said.

Henry120:


Nope, the Cobra HMD is manufactured by BAE systems.


BAE Systems plc is a British multinational defence, security and aerospace company headquartered in London in the United Kingdom and with operations worldwide.


No Gripen avionic is manufactured by South-Africa.

The rest of your post are ramblings of a mad man.

How can a Gripen which has a range of 800km have a better range than the SU-30 which has a 3200km


Or a Gripens 8 Hard-points be better than 12 on the SU-30

Henry120:


Gripen contracts were penned 15 years ago. Serious Airforce's begin pilot trainings as soon as formalities are done with. Unfortunately, the SAAF cannot be considered as a serious Airforce.

The Czech Republic who are the 2nd export customer, after South-Africa, are already planning on building Gripen pilots training center. This while the SAAF is stuck with 9 pilots doing only 3 hours per month, Pathetic!!

Your Gripen contracts were signed in 1999, that's 16 years. All the more embarrassing, 16 years with only 9 pilots to show


Did you sign Nigeria's JF-17 contracts?

All evidence we've seen shows the SAAF only has 18 Gripen Aircrew for 26 planes. 9 fighter pilots and 9 navigators.


You should truly, truly be ashamed.

agaugust:


USAF jets crash regularly.

F-7NI jet crashed have been stopped by NAF.

NAF lost 4 jets in 8 years and NONE in the last 3 years of combat operation in North East where the NAF F-7 jets fly combat sorties almost every day, and NONE has crashed after doing hundreds of combat operations, it even seems the jets do better in war time than in peace time, war-monger battle-hungry F-7 jets !
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