agaugust:


You think you are a threat to me and my senior Nigerian brothers on this forum? You of all people?

Now you say Russia has no new Su-30 Flanker 2014 model ? Wow, you say you work in aviation industry with pilots

"RKUT delivered the first two Su-30SM fighters to the Russian Air Force in November 2012. The first batch of aircraft is expected to be delivered by 2015."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/su-30sm-multirole-fighter-aircraft/

The above is first blow to your ugly nose, now final blow to your t.esticles :

You say Su-30 Flanker is a 3rd generation + fighter.....My brother you have ruined yourself beyond repair on this forum

Dis man na serious fake, wey fake pass made in Taiwan
.

Fact remains

If the Su30 is so good, why is India replacing it with the Rafale?

patches689:


[size=13pt]NOPE[/size]

Hinds maximum external payload is 1,500 kg

VBL weighs 3.5 to 4 tonnes

M-171
Loaded weight: 11,100 kg (24,470 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 13,000 kg (28,660 lb)

Octokar Cobra weight 6200 kg

You dont have any LAV's you can transport by Helo's

Meanwhile the SANDF has vehicals that are easily air transportable and are the envy of Nigeria.

Yet another advantage the SANDF has over Nigeria!

Your helicopter is carrying an unarmed, open roof, slow speed, dry land only, zero armour protection Gecko vehicle and you call that an advantage

Fool, your air force can even carry Keke Marwa Tricycle instead of Gecko

NAF, I meant Mi-171 Terminator can carry VBL light armoured vehicles while

"The multifunctional cargo cabin has a length of 5.34m, width of 2.34m and a height of 1.8m. It provides enough internal space to carry 4,000kg of payload.

"The Mi-171Sh was specifically designed for operating in combat missions in local armed conflicts."
The helicopter can transport up to 4,000kg of cargo externally under sling. The main cabin features internal winch facilities, while the floor has tie-down rings for cargo transport."

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mi-171sh-combat-transport-helicopter/

Nigerian air force armed combat Super Puma helicopters can do the same job.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_AS332_Super_Puma

NAF has two options, our Mi-171 helicopter and Super Puma can each carry 4,000 kg load, so any of them can sling airlift our army's combat 3,500 kg VBL amphibious light armoured vehicles to frontline. PROVED.

Obsolete SANDF has no LAV that a helicopter can carry, or you helicopter want to carry your MRAP ?

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patches689:

Fact remains

If the Su30 is so good, why is India replacing it with the Rafale?

India has NOT bought one single Rafale till today, and they are NOT replacing Su-30, India is just spreading it's weapon procurement base to include both western and eastern origin to avoid crippling effect of arms embargo, like Pakistan is now doing same after F-16 political issues, Pakis now add Chinese JF-17 to their air force combat inventory list, or does that mean the JF-17 is replacing the F-16 ?

Use your head....oh sorry, your Southie nation produces world bottom level brains
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patches689:


Gripen is 1995 version?

Delivered from the mid-2000's?

Lol ok

Delivery date means NOTHING, your SAAF got the old 1995 Gripen C/D version and NOTHING more than that !

Brazil is buying the more modern Gripen E and Sweden is doing the same. Your SAAF Gripen C/D version is obsolescent since 20 years ago it was introduced into service, 20 year old version and obsolescent
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agaugust:


SAAF Gripen jets were not bold enough to R.ape ordinary Seleka rebels
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THE QUESTION IS: DID THEY RECEIVE ORDERS TO RAP.E SELEKA OR NOT? THEY WERE ONLY SENT TO GUARD SAFE WITHDRAWAL OF SOUTH AFRICAN TROOPS.

HOWEVER, ONLY SIX GRIPENS WILL RAP.E THE WHOLE OF NAF. FACT!!!! FACT!!!! FACT!!!!

agaugust:


Delivery date means NOTHING, your SAAF got the old 1995 Gripen C/D version and NOTHING more than that !

Brazil is buying the more modern Gripen E and Sweden is doing the same. Your SAAF Gripen C/D version is obsolescent since 20 years ago it was introduced into service, 20 year old version and obsolescent
.
.

THE FIRST GRIPENS WERE FIRST INTRODUCED IN 1997. SOUTH AFRICAN GRIPENS WERE MANUFACTURED IN 2005 AND THE FIRST BATCH WERE DELIVERED IN 2010 FOLLOWED BY OTHERS AROUND 2012.

SOUTH AFRICAN GRIPENS ARE STILL NEW FROM THE BOX CHIEF.

Henry120:


The Gripen C/D is barely better than the JF-17 block 1

SU-30

General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 21.935 m (72.97 ft)
Wingspan: 14.7 m (48.2 ft)
Height: 6.36 m (20.85 ft)
Wing area: 62.0 m² (667 ft²)
Empty weight: 18,400 kg[87] (40,565 lb)
Loaded weight: 24,900 kg (54,895 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 38,800 kg (85,600 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Lyulka AL-31FP turbofans with thrust vectoring, 123 kN with afterburner (27,560 lbf) each
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.9[86] (2,100 km/h or 1,300 mph[85]) at altitude; 1,350 km/h, 839 mph near ground level[85]
Range: 3,000 km (1,620 nmi) at altitude; (1,270 km, 690 nmi near ground level; with no external fuel tanks)
Ferry range: 8,000 km (4,320 nmi) with two in-flight refuellings[86]
Endurance: 3.75 hrs (up to 10 hrs with in-flight refuelling)
Service ceiling: 17,300 m (56,800 ft)
Rate of climb: >300 m/s (>45,275 ft/min)
Wing loading: 401 kg/m² (82.3 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.00 (loaded weight with 56% internal fuel)
Maximum g-load: +9 g
Armament

Guns: 1 × 30 mm GSh-30-1 gun (150 rounds)
12 hardpoints: 2 × wing-tip AAM launch rails, 6 × pylons under-wing, 2 × pylon under-engine nacelle, and 2 × pylons in tandem in the "arch" between the engines. It can be increased to 14 using multiple ejector racks. It can carry up to 8 tonnes of external stores.

Air-to-air missiles:

10 × R-77 (AA-12) active radar homing medium range AAM, 100 km
10 × Astra missile active radar homing medium range AAM, 80–110 km
6 × R-27ER (AA-10C) semi-active radar guided, long range AAM 130 km
6 × R-27ET (AA-10D) Infrared homing extended range version, long range AAM 120 km
2 × R-27R (AA-10A) semi-active radar guided, medium range AAM, 80 km
2 × R-27T (AA-10B) infrared homing seeker, medium range AAM, 70 km
6 × R-73 (AA-11) short range AAM, 30 km
3 × Novator KS-172 AAM-L 400 km, Indian/Russian air-to-air missile designed as an "AWACS killer"
Air-to-surface missiles:

3 × Kh-59ME TV guided standoff Missile, 115 km
3 × Kh-59MK active radar homing anti-ship missile, 285 km
4 × Kh-35 anti-ship missile, 130 km
1 × Brahmos supersonic cruise missile, 300 km
3 × Brahmos-M supersonic cruise missile, 300 km
1 × Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile, 1,000 km
6 × Kh-31P/A anti-radar missile, 70 km
6 × Kh-29T/L laser-guided missile, 30 km
4 × S-8 rocket pods (80 unguided rockets)
4 × S-13 rocket pods (20 unguided rockets)
Bombs:

8 × KAB-500L laser-guided bombs
3 × KAB-1500L laser-guided bombs
8 × FAB-500T gravity bomb
28 × OFAB-250-270 gravity bombs
32 × OFAB-100-120 gravity bombs
8 × RBK-500 cluster bombs



Enough said.

You just proved my point mate!
Gripen has:
Better Wing loading(making it more maneuverable)
Better Stall speed
Better Rang
Better avionics
Better RCS
Can land/takeoff on way shorter run ways
Faster
carries the same load, % wise compared to its empty weight.


Enough said, thanks for the spec btw! you helped prove my point.

agaugust:


Your helicopter is carrying an unarmed, open roof, slow speed, dry land only, zero armour protection Gecko vehicle and you call that an advantage

Fool, your air force can even carry Keke Marwa Tricycle instead of Gecko

NAF, I meant Mi-171 Terminator can carry VBL light armoured vehicles while

"The multifunctional cargo cabin has a length of 5.34m, width of 2.34m and a height of 1.8m. It provides enough internal space to carry 4,000kg of payload.

"The Mi-171Sh was specifically designed for operating in combat missions in local armed conflicts."
The helicopter can transport up to 4,000kg of cargo externally under sling. The main cabin features internal winch facilities, while the floor has tie-down rings for cargo transport."

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mi-171sh-combat-transport-helicopter/

Nigerian air force armed combat Super Puma helicopters can do the same job.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_AS332_Super_Puma

NAF has two options, our Mi-171 helicopter and Super Puma can each carry 4,000 kg load, so any of them can sling airlift our army's combat 3,500 kg VBL amphibious light armoured vehicles to frontline. PROVED.

Obsolete SANDF has no LAV that a helicopter can carry, or you helicopter want to carry your MRAP ?

.

First you said that you could carry the Cobra has well

So now its only one LAV

Then you said it was the Hind and the M171

Now its only the M171

Your story keeps changing.

So you have one platform that can carry one LAV? So what?

This all goes back to your orignional point of argument: lack of standardization of nigerian military equipment. You have two types of LAV when you only need one?

SANDF has the capabilility and actually trains to perform us - show us Nigeria slinging one vehical under a helicopter. Your pilots and men dont know how to do it!

So, first

1. Explain why you need 2 LAV's (apart from the fact that your military is poorly designed and planned and has ended up with a disorganized mess)
2. Show us the Nigerian military training for "air-lift" capabilities.

And FYI - we do have a ULAV... its called the Hornet, look it up

Henry120:


Nope, the Cobra HMD is manufactured by BAE systems.


BAE Systems plc is a British multinational defence, security and aerospace company headquartered in London in the United Kingdom and with operations worldwide.


No Gripen avionic is manufactured by South-Africa.

The rest of your post are ramblings of a mad man.

How can a Gripen which has a range of 800km have a better range than the SU-30 which has a 3200km


Or a Gripens 8 Hard-points be better than 12 on the SU-30

SU-30 has a max range of 3000km
Gripen has a max range of 3200km

Saab Aerosystems have in close cooperation with BAE Systems Rochester UK and partners including Carl Zeiss
Optronics of South Africa been developing the Cobra HMD system into the Gripen swing role combat aircraft.

www.icas.org/ICAS_ARCHIVE/ICAS2010/PAPERS/562.PDF

agaugust:


Delivery date means NOTHING, your SAAF got the old 1995 Gripen C/D version and NOTHING more than that !

Brazil is buying the more modern Gripen E and Sweden is doing the same. Your SAAF Gripen C/D version is obsolescent since 20 years ago it was introduced into service, 20 year old version and obsolescent
.
.

Who says that the C/D is the same as the "1995" version.

Dont you know about the Gripen's constant upgrade process?

Dont come here with your peasant airforce and think you can question ours

THE TRIED AND TESTED

SANDF NOT A BACKWARD FORCES

SOPHISTICATION FOR THE SANDF IS THE NAME OF THE GAME

NO COMPARISON BETWEEN A GIANT AND THE MIDGET....PROOF IS ALL OVER

Henry120:


The Gripen C/D is barely better than the JF-17 block 1

SU-30

General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 21.935 m (72.97 ft)
Wingspan: 14.7 m (48.2 ft)
Height: 6.36 m (20.85 ft)
Wing area: 62.0 m² (667 ft²)
Empty weight: 18,400 kg[87] (40,565 lb)
Loaded weight: 24,900 kg (54,895 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 38,800 kg (85,600 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Lyulka AL-31FP turbofans with thrust vectoring, 123 kN with afterburner (27,560 lbf) each
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.9[86] (2,100 km/h or 1,300 mph[85]) at altitude; 1,350 km/h, 839 mph near ground level[85]
Range: 3,000 km (1,620 nmi) at altitude; (1,270 km, 690 nmi near ground level; with no external fuel tanks)
Ferry range: 8,000 km (4,320 nmi) with two in-flight refuellings[86]
Endurance: 3.75 hrs (up to 10 hrs with in-flight refuelling)
Service ceiling: 17,300 m (56,800 ft)
Rate of climb: >300 m/s (>45,275 ft/min)
Wing loading: 401 kg/m² (82.3 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.00 (loaded weight with 56% internal fuel)
Maximum g-load: +9 g
Armament

Guns: 1 × 30 mm GSh-30-1 gun (150 rounds)
12 hardpoints: 2 × wing-tip AAM launch rails, 6 × pylons under-wing, 2 × pylon under-engine nacelle, and 2 × pylons in tandem in the "arch" between the engines. It can be increased to 14 using multiple ejector racks. It can carry up to 8 tonnes of external stores.

Air-to-air missiles:

10 × R-77 (AA-12) active radar homing medium range AAM, 100 km
10 × Astra missile active radar homing medium range AAM, 80–110 km
6 × R-27ER (AA-10C) semi-active radar guided, long range AAM 130 km
6 × R-27ET (AA-10D) Infrared homing extended range version, long range AAM 120 km
2 × R-27R (AA-10A) semi-active radar guided, medium range AAM, 80 km
2 × R-27T (AA-10B) infrared homing seeker, medium range AAM, 70 km
6 × R-73 (AA-11) short range AAM, 30 km
3 × Novator KS-172 AAM-L 400 km, Indian/Russian air-to-air missile designed as an "AWACS killer"
Air-to-surface missiles:

3 × Kh-59ME TV guided standoff Missile, 115 km
3 × Kh-59MK active radar homing anti-ship missile, 285 km
4 × Kh-35 anti-ship missile, 130 km
1 × Brahmos supersonic cruise missile, 300 km
3 × Brahmos-M supersonic cruise missile, 300 km
1 × Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile, 1,000 km
6 × Kh-31P/A anti-radar missile, 70 km
6 × Kh-29T/L laser-guided missile, 30 km
4 × S-8 rocket pods (80 unguided rockets)
4 × S-13 rocket pods (20 unguided rockets)
Bombs:

8 × KAB-500L laser-guided bombs
3 × KAB-1500L laser-guided bombs
8 × FAB-500T gravity bomb
28 × OFAB-250-270 gravity bombs
32 × OFAB-100-120 gravity bombs
8 × RBK-500 cluster bombs



Enough said.

YOU CANNOT COMPARE JUNK FIGHTER AND ALL VARIANTS OF SU-30 TO GRIFFIN FIGHTER JET.

NaijaPikinGidi:


Your eyes don begin dey clear?



As you halla ya paale name, na so dem go follow take halla the name!

lol

Henry120:


Your Gripen is the C/D standard. There isn't a shred of doubt about it.

A Gripen should not be mentioned in the same sentence with an SU-30. It's a great disservice and an insult to that marvel of Russian Engineering.

The SU-30 is the world's best 4th Gen fighter.

They're different from other C/D Gripens.

The Gripen eats Sukhoi any day.

Henry120:


Mumu!

lol i was not supporting anybody in the first place... this argument is so lame in the first place

SANDF TRAINING

SANDF

Henry120:


You mothballed them because you are broke.

Your senile Generals purchased a fighter they cannot afford.

You only have 9 Gripen Pilots. Czech republic already has 50 pilots for their Gripen fleet.

You cannot afford Aviation fuel.

You also only have 3 C-130's and 10 Half-French Helicopters for an over 1.2 million square kilometers.

Your A109s spend most of there time in the Hangar than in the Air. Another prime example of incompetence. You bought a mini transport Helicopter you cannot afford.

The SAAF is an example of what an Airforce shouldn't be.

Generals don't buy equipment, only Nigerian Generals do.

The Gripens are rotated I produce the evidence provide by SAAF General at the Seriti commission about how they were operated, and crawled back to your cave. Only to come back now with the same claim.

SAAF Gripens are not operational.

Again: 5 Gripens and 6 Hawks can't be challenged from Cape Town to Free town.

NAF can't deploy outside Nigeria for air combat.

Henry120:


More like at the ratio of 9 pilots to 26 Gripens.

15 years and counting.........

Mikeczar, why does the SAAF have so few pilots for a paltry 26 planes after 15 years?

The Gripens are undergoing Operational test and Evaluation.

The squadron will not be ramped up to full wartime capacity as funding won't allow that or pilots will get less flying.

The pilots SAAF has are enough to deter any enemy wanna be.

Not all those 26 planes are gonna be available at any given time, that number makes it possible to continue training, executing missions and if possible deploy.

Why does Nigeria have 12 F-7s:

How many can you deploy?

How many will be left for training?

How many will be available for deployment?

How many will be left at home for deterrence?

Would new crews get training, as the remaining air frames will be used to prepare air crews going to replace the deployed guys?

agaugust:


USAF jets crash regularly.

F-7NI jet crashed have been stopped by NAF.

NAF lost 4 jets in 8 years and NONE in the last 3 years of combat operation in North East where the NAF F-7 jets fly combat sorties almost every day, and NONE has crashed after doing hundreds of combat operations, it even seems the jets do better in war time than in peace time, war-monger battle-hungry F-7 jets !
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You have a memory of a child. Just last year on the 30th of December, you made an admission on Beegeagle that your flying coffins (F7) are crushing as if is an annual ritual.

agaugust:



.
hey brother Msauza, you are so terrified by NAF F-7 jet with near BVR 35 km range missiles to the extent that you now type in giant font + bold font + capital letters ? Are you sure this PL-9C missile 35 km range has not driven you close to mental hospital? Do your even sleep well at night? Have you started seeing a psychiatrist now?

Somebody please save this man o ! BVR missile is killing people in South Africa even before NAF started firing it !

Omo, wahala dey o !


.

F7 IS JUST LIKE A DOG COMPARED TO GRIPEN JET. EVEN IF YOU CAN SHARPEN THE TEETH OF A DOG AND LET IT TO FIGHT A LION, IT WILL STILL LOSE.

Henry120:


Gripen contracts were penned 15 years ago. Serious Airforce's begin pilot trainings as soon as formalities are done with. Unfortunately, the SAAF cannot be considered as a serious Airforce.

The SANDF is not a rebel air force like most.

It is supported by one of the best defence industries in the world.

One of the things that the industry provides is scientific understanding of new equipment thus helping the SANDF integrate that system into its doctrine or come up with a new doctrine for the latest generation system.

Examples:

1. How to deploy air defence guns with CRAM capabilities in public places to defend things like events, parliament etc

Understanding the fall and trajectory of the CRAM shells, enabling deployment and usage in public place without endangering civilians.

2. Usage of the latest generation bodylift missiles and HMD(s), providing the SANDF with scientific understanding about the performance of the systems.

When and how to use the HMD & missile's over the shoulder or look and shoot capabilities with endangering your wingman.


This helps SA know how to use, integrate and draw up if needed doctrine for new systems, unlike some who even call PMC(s) to train them from operating to operational usage of vehicles.

VEHICLES! Not how to operate buy how to fight.

agaugust:


USAF jets crash regularly.

F-7NI jet crashed have been stopped by NAF.

NAF lost 4 jets in 8 years and NONE in the last 3 years of combat operation in North East where the NAF F-7 jets fly combat sorties almost every day, and NONE has crashed after doing hundreds of combat operations, it even seems the jets do better in war time than in peace time, war-monger battle-hungry F-7 jets !
.

How many F-7 have you crashed was the question.

Pilots flying with little experience.

EVarn:
@jpphilips,i thought that we arrived at a mutual concensus?,there was no misinformation in anything i posted,i wasnt around during the civil war,but nevertheless,i recieved the undiluted account of events from sources who personally participated heavily in the war.
I wasnt hailing Ojukwu,neither did i aggrandize his insane lust for power,infact,i detest him for the act of cowardice he performed towards the end{though i respect his intelligence}.
Revolutionaries such as Adolf Hitler,Napoleon Bonaparte,Moussoulinni etc....fought and died for their cause,they didnt run away like wimpering dogs when they tasted defeat.
I dont understand the reason why you are being so unfairly antagonistic towards me,did i ever offend you?.
You spun a sobering tale about how ojukwu was a selfish coward with an oversized ego{a notion which i duly support},yet you failed to document the reason why he started the war in the first place,as much as Ojukwu was a power monger,he didnt just wake up one morning and decide to start a war.

Let me break it down where I had Issues with your post;

EVarn:
We crushed Republic of Biafra into smithereens,Biafra had the unholy support of france and other unscrupulous corroborators,yet we squeeze them hard until they became charred husks.

This is a Lie because France's help came towards the end of the conflict when Kwashiokor has secured Victory for Nigeria, however, I agree completely on the crushing Biafra part, I would love to read a History I was indirectly part of in blue tales of undiluted reality.

Dont forget that [b]Colonel Odumegwu Ogukwu,the then leader of the Peoples Army of Biafra was a trained Nigerian Army general,[/b]and prior to his declared sucession,he was also governor of eastern nigeria under the supreme military council.He had manpower numbering over 30,000 before the war,and 100,000 during the climax of battle.he had a large cache of the nigerian armoury in his control.Yet,we won the war,and the rest is history.

This is another lie, Ojukwu never attained the rank of a General in the Nigerian army, the best he got was a colonel, if Ojukwu raised upto 30,000 men, he wouldn't have resorted to kidnapping to make up for his fighters, why do you think Niger deltans like Isaac Adaka boro was vehemently against Ojukwu's revolution?
To believe you pushed the number to 100,000 is most laughable, Nigeria with a population of 170m in 2015 has 138,000 soldiers, if you subtract the Boko haram casualties, that number will significantly drop to 95,000, then in 1967, what is the population of Nigeria to think that Ojukwu's eastern region, 1/4th of the federation by land mass and population will raise that outrageous number?
I also found the "LARGE CACHE OF WEAPONS" laughable, when next you meet an Igbo man aged 60 and above, sing this song to his hearing" that was our chanting slogan and morale booster for every war front.

"Ojukwu nye anyi egbe, nye anyi mma, na - hausa abatakwala Awka" it means; "Ojukwu give us dane/local gun, give us machete that the Nigerian forces have over run Awka (the present day capital of Anambra state and the seat of improvised weapons for Ojukwu's army and till date, we fondly called it "Egbe Awka" " with that song still playing in my head, how do I ratiocinate your "LARGE CACHE OF ARMS" claims?
very laughable indeed!!
Nigeria won the war no doubt but if you want to be honest, that victory was not as a result of a superior war strategy, never mind that Biafra was militarily disadvantaged with no organised Navy and a tiny air force, that victory of the Nigeria side is attributed to Awolowo's crude Blockade policy, Kwashiokor killed more Biafrans than the Nigerian bullet, if you dont know that much, then I will excuse your ignorance.

SANDF DOES NOT NEED INTERVENTION FROM OTHER FOREIGN POWERS TO SUBJUE AN INTERNAL THREAT

SANDF

MikeCZAR:
The SANDF is not a rebel air force like most.

It is supported by one of the best defence industries in the world.

One of the things that the industry provides is scientific understanding of new equipment thus helping the SANDF integrate that system into its doctrine or come up with a new doctrine for the latest generation system.

Examples:

1. How to deploy air defence guns with CRAM capabilities in public places to defend things like events, parliament etc

Understanding the fall and trajectory of the CRAM shells, enabling deployment and usage in public place without endangering civilians.

2. Usage of the latest generation bodylift missiles and HMD(s), providing the SANDF with scientific understanding about the performance of the systems.

When and how to use the HMD & missile's over the shoulder or look and shoot capabilities with endangering your wingman.


This helps SA know how to use, integrate and draw up if needed doctrine for new systems, unlike some who even call PMC(s) to train them from operating to operational usage of vehicles.

VEHICLES! Not how to operate buy how to fight.

I can almost see the tears roll down your cheeks.


Still doesn't explain why the SANDF only has 9 Pilots for 26 planes after 16 years.


Errr........ the problem with the bolded part of your statement is, the SANDF had to contract Cuban mercenaries to fix trucks you've always had in service. This is the skill deficiency your defence minister was alluding to.

ukemeramat:


lol i was not supporting anybody in the first place... this argument is so lame in the first place

You are a big MUMU!

You've proven it, yet again. When you say na ur palle ynash you wan open for public, no think sey all dem werey no go look laugh 2.

agaugust:


India has NOT bought one single Rafale till today, and they are NOT replacing Su-30, India is just spreading it's weapon procurement base to include both western and eastern origin to avoid crippling effect of arms embargo, like Pakistan is now doing same after F-16 political issues, Pakis now add Chinese JF-17 to their air force combat inventory list, or does that mean the JF-17 is replacing the F-16 ?

Use your head....oh sorry, your Southie nation produces world bottom level brains
.

What facts do you have tk back this up? The real fact is that the Su30 does not give the indians what they need!