Henry120:


You are a big MUMU!

You've proven it, yet again. When you say na ur palle ynash you wan open for public, no think sey all dem werey no go look laugh 2.

Henry120:


I can almost see the tears roll down your cheeks.


Still doesn't explain why the SANDF only has 9 Pilots for 26 planes after 16 years.


Errr........ the problem with the bolded part of your statement is, the SANDF had to contract Cuban mercenaries to fix trucks you've always had in service. This is the skill deficiency your defence minister was alluding to.

patches689:


1. 19 pilots
2. Cubans were brought in to do a job that the SANDF and SADF never did - heavy refurbishment and overhauls, this role was allways fulles by the private sector. Cubans can do it cheaper and better than the private sector

Dude, is honest debate beyond you?

Henry120:

Nope, you have a total 9 pilots and 9 navigators for 26 planes.
You brought in Cuban mercenaries to perform basic truck servicing. Trucks which you've always had in service.
The Cuban mercenaries can do it better since they have the requisite skill set, we cannot say the same for the SANDF.

lezz:
As much as your account of the biafran war might be more accurate, your swift impulse to lecture Evarn numbed your sensitivity to what he was saying. His emphasis was on the Nigerian army. He never sided or implied Ojukwu was a hero.

I would love to see more detailed account of military history and standing from you just like in your last post, that is, hoping your penchant for putting a patriotic Nigerian down doesn't become the overwhelming compulsion.

saengine:


I would love to see a link as of 2015, how many Gripen and Hawk pilots there are in the SAAF today. Keep posting numbers from years back
as if new pilots never get trained (from Hawk to Gripen). What processes happened behind closed doors between SANDF/SAAF/SAAB to formalize and complete the Gripen deal (work share etc etc) before pilots were sent to Sweden for initial training? You haven't the slightest clue.

If you say no Nigerian pilots are in China for JF-17 training because nothing has been signed, then please can we never again see a single
reference between Nigeria and JF-17 on this forum. Thank you.

You seem to be an expert on SAAF pilot numbers. Do share how many fighter pilots Nigeria has as of today.

Henry120:


I can almost see the tears roll down your cheeks.


Still doesn't explain why the SANDF only has 9 Pilots for 26 planes after 16 years.


Errr........ the problem with the bolded part of your statement is, the SANDF had to contract Cuban mercenaries to fix trucks you've always had in service. This is the skill deficiency your defence minister was alluding to.

Henry120:


Nope, you have a total 9 pilots and 9 navigators for 26 planes.

You brought in Cuban mercenaries to perform basic truck servicing. Trucks which you've always had in service.

The Cuban mercenaries can do it better since they have the requisite skill set, we cannot say the same for the SANDF.

Henry120:


I can almost see the tears roll down your cheeks.


Still doesn't explain why the SANDF only has 9 Pilots for 26 planes after 16 years.


Errr........ the problem with the bolded part of your statement is, the SANDF had to contract Cuban mercenaries to fix trucks you've always had in service. This is the skill deficiency your defence minister was alluding to.

Henry120:


Our November 2014 Defenceweb link states clearly that the SANDF only has 18 Gripen Aircrew (pilots & navigators) for 26 Gripen fighter jets.

they aren't numbers from years back. Actually numbers from 2013 showed the SAAF only had 6 qualified Gripen pilots.

New pilots get trained, they grew from 6 to 9 pilots.

I wonder what the correlation between NAF and it's proposed JF-17 deal is with the fact the SAAF has an embarrassing shortfall of Gripen pilots?

IHS Janes quoting a senior Pakistani Air officer said the NAF was about finalising a deal for the delivery of 25- 40 planes. This report comes from a very reputable source, very valid in the course of the discussions we have, and references would continue to be made.

JF-17 pilot trainings for the NAF cannot come in to play, as the NAF haven't yet signed the JF-17 contract.


However, I can assure you, if and when the JF-17 deal is finally signed, it would not take the NAF 15 years to train 9 pilots or 18 JF-17 Air crew.

Yet again, deal with your pilot shortfall. That's what you should be concerned with, not the NAF.

9 pilots - 26 planes - 16 years = that's an F!

Not a number to be proud of.

Henry120:


Our November 2014 Defenceweb link states clearly that the SANDF only has 18 Gripen Aircrew (pilots & navigators) for 26 Gripen fighter jets.

they aren't numbers from years back. Actually numbers from 2013 showed the SAAF only had 6 qualified Gripen pilots.

New pilots get trained, they grew from 6 to 9 pilots.

I wonder what the correlation between NAF and it's proposed JF-17 deal is with the fact the SAAF has an embarrassing shortfall of Gripen pilots?

IHS Janes quoting a senior Pakistani Air officer said the NAF was about finalising a deal for the delivery of 25- 40 planes. This report comes from a very reputable source, very valid in the course of the discussions we have, and references would continue to be made.

JF-17 pilot trainings for the NAF cannot come in to play, as the NAF haven't yet signed the JF-17 contract.


However, I can assure you, if and when the JF-17 deal is finally signed, it would not take the NAF 15 years to train 9 pilots or 18 JF-17 Air crew.

Yet again, deal with your pilot shortfall. That's what you should be concerned with, not the NAF.

9 pilots - 26 planes - 16 years = that's an F!

Not a number to be proud of.

patches689:


Henry

There is no evidence to support your 9 pilots and 9 navigators argument

It states 18 aircrew - that can be any combination of pilots and navigators.

Your numbers are nothing more than speculation

Proof is available and has been repeatedly posted on this forum many times, South African sources proved you have 9 pilots and 0 pilots qualified in standard 150 hours per year.

NO SINGLE combat pilot is qualified to fly Gripen jet in SAAF by international standards of qualification.

Your pilots just take off and land for ceremonies and air shows, that's all.

SAAF is totally dead, sorry o !

.

MikeCZAR:


The SANDF is sophisticated beyond the comprehension of those who reside in tree tops.

Training to operate and operational training is different.

The Gripen is still a project to bring a light multi-role fighter in the SANDF.

Henry120:


Our November 2014 Defenceweb link states clearly that the SANDF only has 18 Gripen Aircrew (pilots & navigators) for 26 Gripen fighter jets.

they aren't numbers from years back. Actually numbers from 2013 showed the SAAF only had 6 qualified Gripen pilots.

New pilots get trained, they grew from 6 to 9 pilots.

I wonder what the correlation between NAF and it's proposed JF-17 deal is with the fact the SAAF has an embarrassing shortfall of Gripen pilots?

IHS Janes quoting a senior Pakistani Air officer said the NAF was about finalising a deal for the delivery of 25- 40 planes. This report comes from a very reputable source, very valid in the course of the discussions we have, and references would continue to be made.

JF-17 pilot trainings for the NAF cannot come in to play, as the NAF haven't yet signed the JF-17 contract.


However, I can assure you, if and when the JF-17 deal is finally signed, it would not take the NAF 15 years to train 9 pilots or 18 JF-17 Air crew.

Yet again, deal with your pilot shortfall. That's what you should be concerned with, not the NAF.

9 pilots - 26 planes - 16 years = that's an F!

Not a number to be proud of.

agaugust:



Proof is available and has been repeatedly posted on this forum many times, South African sources proved you have 9 pilots and 0 pilots qualified in standard 150 hours per year.

NO SINGLE combat pilot is qualified to fly Gripen jet in SAAF by international standards of qualification.

Your pilots just take off and land for ceremonies and air shows, that's all.

SAAF is totally dead

.

patches689:


Henry

With regards to the JF-17... Negotiations =/= Done Deal

The deal for Argentina to get the Gripen was reported as being cast in stone... now look at it.

When the papers are signed and the money transferred come talk to us.

agaugust:


Oh really ?

Okay, when SANDF has inducted A-Darter missile, inducted Mokopa missile, inducted new navy stealth OPVs, stop posting them here, get it ?
.

Henry120:


You are a big MUMU!

You've proven it, yet again. When you say na ur palle ynash you wan open for public, no think sey all dem werey no go look laugh 2.

patches689:


Augustus

You lost a helicopter and a jet last year alone

agaugust:


NOT an F-7 jet. NAF pilots have mastered the F-7 jet and used it so fantastically in combat, that it will be a just like ordinary target practice to shoot down SAAF Gripen jets with our BVR missiles
.

MikeCZAR:


How?

Set a scenario for us?

patches689:


A-darter has been inducted
Stealth OPV bidding has finished today
Mokopa is not needed but ready for use.

saengine:


The number 18, is just that. 18. It says 18 Gripen aircrew (pilots and navigators) and 52 Hawk aircrew.
This is from September 2013. You are free to post the link which splits those 18 into 9 and 9.

EVarn:
@jpphilips,Ghadaffi proposed the disintegration of Nigeria,we had to recall our ambassador over ghadaffi's inciting statements.Did people really expect us to side against NATO and support ghadaffi?,to forfeit our interest,foreign policy and national pride all in the name of a non-existent african solidarity?,what brotherhood do we share with libya?,have you forgotten that libya is an arab country?,these people dont even consider themselves as africans!.
A country that makes decisions based on petty emotions will collapse..
at that time,libya was our enemy,and as the saying goes: the enemy of my enemy is my friend,so we supported NATO
tomorrow,libya could be our ally,thats how international politics works.
would you advocate that we should support palestinian invasion of isreal too?,that we should support islamic thugs masquerading as palestinians to surround isreal by inhabiting gaza and westbanks,all in the name of an imaginary brotherhood?.
use your sense,if you actually have one.

patches689:


First you said that you could carry the Cobra has well

So now its only one LAV

Then you said it was the Hind and the M171

Now its only the M171

Your story keeps changing.

So you have one platform that can carry one LAV? So what?

This all goes back to your orignional point of argument: lack of standardization of nigerian military equipment. You have two types of LAV when you only need one?

SANDF has the capabilility and actually trains to perform us - show us Nigeria slinging one vehical under a helicopter. Your pilots and men dont know how to do it!

So, first

1. Explain why you need 2 LAV's (apart from the fact that your military is poorly designed and planned and has ended up with a disorganized mess)
2. Show us the Nigerian military training for "air-lift" capabilities.

And FYI - we do have a ULAV... its called the Hornet, look it up

jln115:

SU-30 has a max range of 3000km
Gripen has a max range of 3200km

EVarn:
@jpphilip,do you lack tact?.what i wrote was "Colonel Odumegwu Ojukwu",clearly stating his rank as a Nigerian army officer,I then further went ahead to say "..was a trained Nigerian army general...",clearly stating his position as the leader of the Biafran revolution.what is so hard to understand in those two statements i typed?,i wasnt calling ojukwu a ranking general,i was simply highlighting his position as the topmost Biafran warlord.
kai!,do you call the leader of a revolution,a 'colonel'?,immediately ojukwu declared the sucessionist state of Biafra,he ceased to be a Nigerian army colonel,and became a general of his people.ojukwu was the hero of your people and that of your father.
[b]Ojukwu took a sizeable portion of the Nigerian armoury,otherwise what did Biafran soldiers fight with for 3 years?,are you saying that biafran soldiers butchered over 50,000 Nigerian soldiers with only kitchen knives?
If you are still confused,then i rest my case.
[/b]PS: Nigeria had over 200,000 infantry men after the war,learn!.

Colonel Odumegwu Ogukwu,the then leader of the Peoples Army of Biafra was a trained Nigerian Army general,