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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:14pm On Apr 03, 2015
agaugust:

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This is the last comment on the historic landmark page 2,000 for this topic : Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa ?

I see Nigeria has the last word and last laugh on this page 2,000. So read this and take it as final answer to the big question :



[size=20pt]World Analysts Declare :

Nigeria Will Be Africa's World Super Power !


International Institute For Strategic Studies, IISS Confirmed !

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"If Nigeria plays its cards right, it could become Africa’s only global superpower. It already has the continent’s biggest economy, a huge military budget and a fair record of regional engagement. By 2040 it will also be the fourth largest country in the world after India, China and the United States.

New research by the Institute for Security Studies (ISS) shows that out of Africa’s “Big Five” powerful countries – Nigeria, South Africa, Egypt, Algeria and Ethiopia – Nigeria is “the African country with by far the greatest capabilities” to play a global role.

The choice of the Big Five is based on the demographic, economic and military size of these countries, as well as their historical role as regional leaders, says the ISS.

South Africa is the only African member of Brics (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) and the G20, but it is not expected to grow in power and influence internationally and in Africa. Dr Jakkie Cilliers, executive director of the ISS and one of the co-authors of the report, says South Africans sometimes have the misguided impression that the country is a big military power and plays a major role in peacekeeping in Africa.

Spending on defence has, however, been drastically reduced, as shown in the recent defence review. It contributes fewer peacekeepers to United Nations missions than Ethiopia, Egypt and Nigeria.

“In fact, Algeria is spending the most on its military, Ethiopia is the major peacekeeper on the continent and Egypt has the biggest diplomatic power,” says Cilliers.

South Africa’s economy is not projected to grow nearly as much as the rest of Africa.

Population growths are much higher elsewhere on the continent, particularly in Nigeria, where it is projected to grow from 170-million to 320-million by 2040.

“South Africans don’t appreciate the huge size of Nigeria’s economy,” says Cilliers. Nigeria’s gross domestic product (GDP) is projected to grow from $525-billion in 2014 to $4.2-trillion by 2040.

Added to South Africa’s woes are “legitimacy problems on the continent”.

Sense that South Africa speaks more than listens
“South Africa can be heavy-handed when it comes to diplomacy and there is a sense that South Africa speaks more than it listens in Africa,” says Cilliers.

The ISS concludes that of the Big Five, South Africa and Ethiopia are “punching above their weight”, while Nigeria and Algeria are “punching below” theirs.

Egypt is punching above its weight internationally – it has a very strong voice in the Middle East – but low in Africa.

The inclusion of Ethiopia in the Big Five is controversial because it is, according to the ISS, “an authoritarian and repressive state” and in 2014 had the 11th lowest GDP per capita in Africa. However, it is growing fast and has become “a poster child for development in Africa”. It hosts the headquarters of the African Union and is the largest African contributor to UN peace missions.

Algeria is also not living up to its potential given that it has by far the biggest military in Africa.

Nigeria, hampered largely by domestic problems of governance and insecurity, is also under-performing. Nigeria’s military spending has, for example, increased dramatically, with an additional budget of $1-billion approved last year, but this has all been earmarked for the fight against Boko Haram.

Even if this past weekend’s elections in Nigeria, dubbed the most important in its history, go off smoothly, it still doesn’t mean it has made the transition to a sophisticated and mature democracy, says Cilliers.

“Nigeria is the only power with the potential to be globally significant but it does not have a coherent foreign policy and its massive security and governance issues are detracting from this potential,” he says.

South Africa, on the other hand, has made this transition and has many attributes that make it a worthy representative of Africa on the world stage, says Cilliers.

But, if the status quo prevails, South Africa will lose its place in pole position.

Angola and Morocco are important players on the continent with huge economies, but Angola is a “purely resource-driven economy” with huge inequalities and lack of democracy, while Morocco is not a member of the AU."

SOURCE : http://mg.co.za/article/2015-04-02-nigeria-will-be-africas-first-global-superpower



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We own the last comment on page 2,000.....and the first comment on page 2,001....good omen !
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:16pm On Apr 03, 2015
agaugust:
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Congrats Augustine!!! your the first one to post on the 2001st page!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 11:18pm On Apr 03, 2015
jln115:

Cool!! will leave those pages for you hahah!!
hehehehe....let me pretend that i believe that.afterall,i can always elbow my way into those pages through carefully planned subterfuge!.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:19pm On Apr 03, 2015
Centrifude:
This is the longest running Thread I've ever seen in my entire life.. This is just crazy.
64035 posts!!! the previous longest ive ever read about was 14000 od posts, this has to be the longest thread ever!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:19pm On Apr 03, 2015
EVarn:
so you fired at it,right?.SA should dismantle its navy,clearly the SAN is infested with incompetent dunderheads and nullskulls.
mate! If you fly your small civilian cessna into a restricted air space during anti-air exercises and missiles start flying close to you.

You can't be crying around that you were targeted.

Consider yourself lucky cause the missiles were fired just close to you without their warheads using destroying your ar..se.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:21pm On Apr 03, 2015
EVarn:
hehehehe....let me pretend that i believe that.afterall,i can always elbow my way into those pages through carefully planned subterfuge!.
HAHAHAHA you just do what you need to do mate!!

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 11:21pm On Apr 03, 2015
MikeCZAR:
The Nigerian army PR people should edit this videos some of the things are just embarrassing.

mumu... you still believe war is about dressing up for the camera. i don't blame you. you are used to seeing your army looking clean for the internet than actually fighting.

list what is wrong in the video aside from the multiple camo and let me fuc.k you up right now.

papa ajasco

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:21pm On Apr 03, 2015
agaugust:


I guess they believe South Africans are smarter than Germans, i guess they even think South Africa manufactured the Valour frigates !
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. The Valour class frigates were produced Germany and South Africa.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:23pm On Apr 03, 2015
agaugust:
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Page 2,000 for this topic.....

Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa ?


1. Egypt

2. Nigeria.

This page is dedicated to my hero :

Field Marshall Goodluck Jonathan.....

The Lion Of Africa....Destroyer of Boko Haram !

God bless you President Jonathan our Commander-In-Chief !

Amen !

.[/size]
He failed against Boko Haram.

He failed against Buhari.

Algeria can't arrive in Abuja in a week?

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 11:24pm On Apr 03, 2015
agaugust:


Manufacturer says so :

" However, the developer of the AR-1, the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASTC) has claimed that the AR-1 missile can also be carried by platforms other than a UCAV."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HJ-10

Go kiss your canvas shoes in the mud cheesy cheesy
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http://www.janes.com/article/49455/update-idex-2015-blue-arrow-9-further-expands-chinese-uav-weapon-options


"CASC unveiled its first UAV missile, the AR-1, in 2008. The semi-active laser-guided missile can be used with CASC's CH-3, CH-3A, and CH-4 UAVs, which a Chinese source at IDEX said have been sold to around 5-10 countries.While it has been test-fired 30-40 times, including from Chinese helicopters, the 8-10 km-range AR-1 is currently designed only for use with UAVs."


Errrr....which LAND platforms? Not one single land platform. No name, nothing. You f*cken fraud. You just keep making sh*t up. Give us the name of the Nigerian land platform which can fire AR-1 missiles. Damn fraud.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:24pm On Apr 03, 2015
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:27pm On Apr 03, 2015
jln115:

Congrats Augustine!!! your the first one to post on the 2001st page!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks bros. Also the last on page 2,000....Nigerian's shoot straight on target grin grin
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:28pm On Apr 03, 2015
stillchris:


mumu... you still believe war is about dressing up for the camera. i don't blame you. you are used to seeing your army looking clean for the internet than actually fighting.

list what is wrong in the video aside from the multiple camo and let me fuc.k you up right now.

papa ajasco
Some of the things in those videos are embarrassing.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 11:28pm On Apr 03, 2015
MikeCZAR:
mate! If you fly your small civilian cessna into a restricted air space during anti-air exercises and missiles start flying close to you.
You can't be crying around that you were targeted.
Consider yourself lucky cause the missiles were fired just close to you without their warheads using destroying your ar..se.
it isnt the fishemens' fault that your navy was too incompetent to secure the area first before commencing your amateurish naval maneovers.there should have been patrol boats on the outer perimeter of the area to ward off adventurous civilian boats from straying into the area,but it seems that you guys never do things right.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:30pm On Apr 03, 2015
jln115:

64035 posts!!! the previous longest ive ever read about was 14000 od posts, this has to be the longest thread ever!

This thread lost over 700 pages when there was a Nairaland website crash last year.

Those lost pages contained comments where @patches was editing Wikipedia and falsifying world military history to his favour grin grin
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:33pm On Apr 03, 2015
agaugust:


Citation needed
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No citation needed for basic things.

Similar to how we all know your navy can't take on long trips.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 11:34pm On Apr 03, 2015
agaugust:


We own the last comment on page 2,000.....and the first comment on page 2,001....good omen !
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hehe....too little,too late,i won already.
next aim should be page 2015.
God bless Nigeria!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:36pm On Apr 03, 2015
agaugust:


This thread lost over 700 pages when there was a Nairaland website crash last year.

Those lost pages contained comments where @patches was editing Wikipedia and falsifying world military history to his favour grin grin
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"This thread lost over 700 pages when there was a Nairaland website crash last year."
Jap i know, go look at my comment where i raised this same issue with Evarn.

"Those lost pages contained comments where @patches was editing Wikipedia and falsifying world military history to his favour grin grin"
Actually sounds more like something you would do!

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:37pm On Apr 03, 2015
Fynline:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b2VN5R0-KU#t=18


Oga @fynline, are we getting full length of this great video form VICE NEWS soon ?
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:39pm On Apr 03, 2015
jln115:

The Ratel has a much much greater range than your Land cruisers.
Its also much much more versatile in difficult terrain than your Land cruisers.
Much much much much much better protected against mines and other weapon systems.

Congrats to you @jln115....you got first comment on page 2,000 for this thread !
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:40pm On Apr 03, 2015
EVarn:
it isnt the fishemens' fault that your navy was too incompetent to secure the area first before commencing your amateurish naval maneovers.there should have been patrol boats on the outer perimeter of the area to ward off adventurous civilian boats from straying into the area,but it seems that you guys never do things right.
Look at him think like a silver back!

He was in restricted zone and probably received the naval warning about thee firing.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:42pm On Apr 03, 2015
Fynline:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b2VN5R0-KU#t=18


Whats the maximum capacity of Naira land threads?

I'm estatic, this is an amazing amazing video.

Those cuts released initially by colonel Nick George are from this video. I'm pretty certain of this.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:42pm On Apr 03, 2015
MikeCZAR:
Nigeria doesn't have communications systems or capability to guide a surface to surface missile beyond line of sight.
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Difference between your Surface to surface missile and our own is only 1 km, Ingwe is not better than Swingfire, smoke kills Ingwe laser guidance system and makes it useless .

In real combat, 4 km range is even too far, you cannot I.D. targets easily with human eye. Ingwe 5 km is a waste.

Swingfire 4 km range is more than enough.
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:43pm On Apr 03, 2015
agaugust:


Oga @fynline, are we getting full length of this great video form VICE NEWS soon ?
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Em tell you say em dey work for vice news?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:44pm On Apr 03, 2015
MikeCZAR:
The same army which can't even store and transport 155m shells, you wanna convince us can store missiles?

Missiles are not simple rockets they require maintenance.

All aircraft launched projectiles require maintenance, rockets will fail if not well maintained, a missile is just a guided rocket. Simple.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:46pm On Apr 03, 2015
Centrifude:
This is the longest running Thread I've ever seen in my entire life.. This is just crazy.

When you put Nigerians and South Africans inside one boxing ring, that's what the stadium will become.....crazy !
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:50pm On Apr 03, 2015
MikeCZAR:
No citation needed for basic things.

Similar to how we all know your navy can't take on long trips.

The two warships with longest trip ranges in Africa are Nigerian navy's NNS Thunder and NNS Okpabana.

South Africa's blue water navy cannot compare to Nigeria's blue water range at sea....and we shoot straight grin grin
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:51pm On Apr 03, 2015
agaugust:
[size=20pt]

Page 2,000 for this topic.....

Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa ?


1. Egypt

2. Nigeria.

This page is dedicated to my hero :

Field Marshall Goodluck Jonathan.....

The Lion Of Africa....Destroyer of Boko Haram !

God bless you President Jonathan our Commander-In-Chief !

Amen !

.[/size]

God Bless our Commander-In-Chief!

President GEJ

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 11:52pm On Apr 03, 2015
MikeCZAR:
Look at him think like a silver back!
He was in restricted zone and probably received the naval warning about thee firing.
Who made it a restricted zone?,the area is a public zone,the fishermen were probably frequent visitors of that area,they probably visited that area everyday to scout for fish.you cant just wake up one morning,label the area a 'restricted zone' and expect them to go hungry simply because you want to impress a bunch of german sailors with your amateur naval skills!
The SAN should have stationed patrol boats at the outer perimeter to prevent unwanted intrusion,that is how proffesional navies operate.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:53pm On Apr 03, 2015
Henry120:


Em tell you say em dey work for vice news?

Bwahaha, oga mi !

The pressure on video releases was initiated and championed by Beegeagle bloggers, they almost choked FG and DHQ on this PR issue.

If government had appointed Beegeagle himself as war time adviser since 2013, things would have been fantastic in MoD arms procurement and war PR information machinery
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:55pm On Apr 03, 2015
jln115:

We are definitely smarter than you guys!!
I mean you think air is more dens at higher altitude and @Henry120 thinks GDPppp means GDP per capita.

Actually it is.

A nation's GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP) exchange rates is the sum value of all goods and services produced in the country valued at prices prevailing in the United States. This is the measure most economists prefer when looking at per-capita welfare and use of resources across countries. The measure is difficult to compute, as a US dollar value has to be assigned to all goods and services in the country regardless of whether these goods and services have a direct equivalent in the United States
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:55pm On Apr 03, 2015
agaugust:
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This is the last comment on the historic landmark page 2,000 for this topic : Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa ?

I see Nigeria has the last word and last laugh on this page 2,000. So read this and take it as final answer to the big question :



[size=20pt]World Analysts Declare :

Nigeria Will Be Africa's World Super Power !

International Institute For Strategic Studies, IISS Confirmed !

[/size]


"If Nigeria plays its cards right, it could become Africa’s only global superpower. It already has the continent’s biggest economy, a huge military budget and a fair record of regional engagement. By 2040 it will also be the fourth largest country in the world after India, China and the United States.

New research by the Institute for Security Studies (ISS) shows that out of Africa’s “Big Five” powerful countries – Nigeria, South Africa, Egypt, Algeria and Ethiopia – Nigeria is “the African country with by far the greatest capabilities” to play a global role.

The choice of the Big Five is based on the demographic, economic and military size of these countries, as well as their historical role as regional leaders, says the ISS.

South Africa is the only African member of Brics (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) and the G20, but it is not expected to grow in power and influence internationally and in Africa. Dr Jakkie Cilliers, executive director of the ISS and one of the co-authors of the report, says South Africans sometimes have the misguided impression that the country is a big military power and plays a major role in peacekeeping in Africa.

Spending on defence has, however, been drastically reduced, as shown in the recent defence review. It contributes fewer peacekeepers to United Nations missions than Ethiopia, Egypt and Nigeria.

“In fact, Algeria is spending the most on its military, Ethiopia is the major peacekeeper on the continent and Egypt has the biggest diplomatic power,” says Cilliers.

South Africa’s economy is not projected to grow nearly as much as the rest of Africa.

Population growths are much higher elsewhere on the continent, particularly in Nigeria, where it is projected to grow from 170-million to 320-million by 2040.

“South Africans don’t appreciate the huge size of Nigeria’s economy,” says Cilliers. Nigeria’s gross domestic product (GDP) is projected to grow from $525-billion in 2014 to $4.2-trillion by 2040.

Added to South Africa’s woes are “legitimacy problems on the continent”.

Sense that South Africa speaks more than listens
“South Africa can be heavy-handed when it comes to diplomacy and there is a sense that South Africa speaks more than it listens in Africa,” says Cilliers.

The ISS concludes that of the Big Five, South Africa and Ethiopia are “punching above their weight”, while Nigeria and Algeria are “punching below” theirs.

Egypt is punching above its weight internationally – it has a very strong voice in the Middle East – but low in Africa.

The inclusion of Ethiopia in the Big Five is controversial because it is, according to the ISS, “an authoritarian and repressive state” and in 2014 had the 11th lowest GDP per capita in Africa. However, it is growing fast and has become “a poster child for development in Africa”. It hosts the headquarters of the African Union and is the largest African contributor to UN peace missions.

Algeria is also not living up to its potential given that it has by far the biggest military in Africa.

Nigeria, hampered largely by domestic problems of governance and insecurity, is also under-performing. Nigeria’s military spending has, for example, increased dramatically, with an additional budget of $1-billion approved last year, but this has all been earmarked for the fight against Boko Haram.

Even if this past weekend’s elections in Nigeria, dubbed the most important in its history, go off smoothly, it still doesn’t mean it has made the transition to a sophisticated and mature democracy, says Cilliers.

“Nigeria is the only power with the potential to be globally significant but it does not have a coherent foreign policy and its massive security and governance issues are detracting from this potential,” he says.

South Africa, on the other hand, has made this transition and has many attributes that make it a worthy representative of Africa on the world stage, says Cilliers.

But, if the status quo prevails, South Africa will lose its place in pole position.

Angola and Morocco are important players on the continent with huge economies, but Angola is a “purely resource-driven economy” with huge inequalities and lack of democracy, while Morocco is not a member of the AU."

SOURCE : http://mg.co.za/article/2015-04-02-nigeria-will-be-africas-first-global-superpower



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Let me quote a few things that might dent your optimism!

"If Nigeria plays its cards right"
At this moment your not unfortunately,(Boko Harm, corruption, domestic problems ect ect)

"Nigeria is the only power with the potential to be globally significant but it does not have a coherent foreign policy and its massive security and governance issues are detracting from this potential,” he says."

"Even if this past weekend’s elections in Nigeria, dubbed the most important in its history, go off smoothly, it still doesn’t mean it has made the transition to a sophisticated and mature democracy, says Cilliers."


"The ISS concludes that of the Big Five, South Africa and Ethiopia are “punching above their weight”, while Nigeria and Algeria are “punching below” theirs."


"South Africa, on the other hand, has made this transition and has many attributes that make it a worthy representative of Africa on the world stage, says Cilliers."


OH......and lastly you better hope those oil prices start raising........and quickly!!!!!!!!!!!11

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