tpiadotcom:
what are the achievements being claimed?

theAtheist101:
Why not, everyone does it? Ask Germans who Einstein is.

capricun:
I think he's a Jewish descent

theAtheist101:


No! His mother was a Jewish born in Germany, but his father was a German and later had an Italian citizenship. Jews claim him because they are Jews! Hitler hated people like Einstein because they were not full-blooded Germans.

theAtheist101:
Why not, everyone does it? Ask Germans who Einstein is.

hahn:


Germany has produced lots of intellectuals who were born and rasied there, have access to infrastructure etc whereas Nigeria is a dream killer(presently).

There are few geniuses who have emerged from a purely "Nigerian" background, aside purely academics, because ordinarily the odds are against us.

theAtheist101:


Why is Nigeria a dream killer? Is anyone called Nigeria? We make up that Nigeria! Do you own part and I would do mine, then Nigeria would be great. Don't expect us to reach this destination on a "smooth" road. Read about the American industrial revolution -- I believe we can also replicate that in Nigeria, because we have the resources to do so. Finally I ask, where was Germany after the second world war?

hahn:


No where. But Nigeria isn't recovering from a war as profound as WWII bro.

Look at my signature. I am an example of what a person can achieve in this country without the aid of the government. However, as a poeple it will be difficult to progress considering the lack of infrastructure, retrogressive culture, beliefs, values etc

It would be myopic to say Nigeria CAN'T progress but face reality bro, Nigeria is a dream killer. If you doubt, I bet the millions of unemployed youths, people who have to hold up torch lights while being operated on, people in ATM(awaiting trial) held for more than 2 years due to a lack of a judicial system just because they were "raided" etc will agree with me

theAtheist101:


Yes, we are. The successive military regimes that ruled this country helped us to fight it. They were busy protecting their rule, rather than develop the country. These guys are the root of most the problems we face today, from corruption to education. But gradually we are healing. Even a Jonathan, whom I don't like, helped us to heal and I hope a Buhari would help us heal exponentially.

True

Good of you for making something of yourself, but why not try to make those hairs here? This way, you would employ (more) people and enrich yourself and the country at large more.

First of all, Nigerian ladies don't keep their hair long enough and even when they do they would have spoilt it with relaxer so their hairs have no quality. Secondly, there is really no infrastructure to support manufacturing in this country. No access to loans, when you buy your land you have to pay omo oniles their own share and even after that you have to generate your own electricity(and still pay exhuberant nepa bills), dig your own bore hole to get water and still be faced with bad roads that increase one's expenditure on car maintenance, bribe police check points etc. Even ibo men, despite their ingenuity will rather import finished products because you still save more and make more profit importing finished goods. Believe me, Nigeria still has a long way to becoming a manufacturing nation

There would always be limitations in every endeavour, but we just have to learn to utilise what we have to get what we want. Even citizens of the developed countries cry for a better life. It is just like a second class lower student losing hope in himself, because he saw a student with a 2-1 coming for the same job interview. We can do it -- we have what we need to do the job.

I repeat, Nigeria doesn't kill anyone's dream, because it is nothing without Nigerians, but people kill their own dreams themselves. Most of us just want easy life, so we expect everything to just work normally and smoothly for us, but that is not always the case. Many of us are intellectually lazy (this you should know well with your interaction with those guys in the religion forum.) Imagine the trial and errors we humans did before we evolved from apes. The road was rough, but now we are reaping the benefits with relative easy stress.

I agree. However, this is the basis of this thread. Why claim the achievements of Nigerians in diaspora when it seems almost impossible to replicate those achievements here. Even Nigerians who schooled abroad find it difficult here despite their exposure to sound work ethics

Sad cases like that happen in every country including the USA (http://www.americasquarterly.org/aborn-prisons). Anything human can never be perfect, so injustice would certainly creep in. But it is how we manage our imperfections that matters. The fact is that their are so many criminals in the country now that resulted from the "war" the military fought. So many "unfortunate" criminals and unlucky people are made to queue for trail. Hopefully, with time things would get easier, if we start thinking to solve that problem.

Of course, no where is perfect. Success is an individual thing and has nothing to do with location. I guess I was just thinking out loud

pickabeau1:
what does the claiming do for the claimants

If its someone who started from here... I understand

why claim the success of 2nd generation immigrants who almost have no roots back home

hahn:


You understand.

Especially when most of them have never eaten eba nor used a Nigerian passport, never been here, would never introduce him/herself as a Nigerian, can't speak the language etc

pickabeau1:


However it helps with sanitizing some of the bad news one hears about the country

hahn:


It helps console Nigerians. True

But the countries that trained them know better

pickabeau1:


Not only console

I mean the bad images caused by the yahoo yahoo

hahn:


Those guys ehn.

Drug dealers, corrupt officials too

hahn:


You understand.

Especially when most of them have never eaten eba nor used a Nigerian passport, never been here, would never introduce him/herself as a Nigerian, can't speak the language etc

First of all, Nigerian ladies don't keep their hair long enough and even when they do they would have spoilt it with relaxer so their hairs have no quality. Secondly, there is really no infrastructure to support manufacturing in this country. No access to loans, when you buy your land you have to pay omo oniles their own share and even after that you have to generate your own electricity(and still pay exhuberant nepa bills), dig your own bore hole to get water and still be faced with bad roads that increase one's expenditure on car maintenance, bribe police check points etc. Even ibo men, despite their ingenuity will rather import finished products because you still save more and make more profit importing finished goods. Believe me, Nigeria still has a long way to becoming a manufacturing nation.

theAtheist101:


Why can't for those that immigrated from here? That was why I used the Einstein's example. Didn't Nigeria claim the achievement of Soyinka?

That's the point! Why should they? Whenever a Nigerian "escapes" from Nigeria and excels abroad our leaders start famzing like they pay welfare

Yet foreigners like Lebanese come here to overcome all your so called problems and employ us to "slave" for them. This is where I would blame the government for aiding us to ruin our manufacturing sector. If I was the president, I would ban all unnecessary importations. For instance, anyone who is not satisfied with her hair should go and cut from Nigerian horses to use.

Those lebanese have access to loans from their country and even Nigerian banks will rather grant them and Indians loans over a Nigerian entrepreneur.

Realistically, the government can't make such hasty decisions. If that happens you'll walk around nude and you won't have access to the internet. EVERYTHING is imported in this country. The clothes you are wearing right now is imported and I'm certain you use some imported gadgets in your house. If you have a car, that's imported too as well as your lappy or phone.. So, if you feel ladies should stick to their natural hair, you'll also have to stick to wearing leaves

hahn:
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