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Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 1:19pm On Apr 11, 2015 |
Gombs: A doctrine is a teaching. By extension a teaching that leads unto a belief that informs a practice. I usually do not have a problem with what Christians do - their practice. If however such practice proceeds from a false belief, result of false doctrine, I draw the dagger. |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 3:02pm On Apr 11, 2015 |
WinsomeX: Fair enough. Continue your cult expose! Seems it's just you that's interested so far. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Kenny4lyfe(m): 3:30pm On Apr 11, 2015 |
WinsomeX: @boldened for reference purposes. |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 4:15pm On Apr 11, 2015 |
Gombs: Thank you. Out of the 2,223 views so far, you would be surprised how many people among those are still interested in the thread. Thread continues. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 4:44pm On Apr 11, 2015 |
SUMMARY OF THREAD UP TILL PAGE 5 INTRODUCTION BY WX: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult#32353049 CHRISTIAN SCIENCE, MORMONS, JEHOVAH WITNESSES AND WOF BY WALTER MARTIN: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult#32365032 THE FALSE GOSPEL OF CHRIST EMBASSY BY WX: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult/1#32381792 INTRODUCTION TO KINGDOM OF THE CULTS BY WALTER MARTIN: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult/1#32393735 CULT SEMANTICS BY WALTER MARTIN: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult/2#32417698 DISSECTING A CHRIS OYAKHILOME TEACHING BY WX: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult/3#32488776 THE PSYCHOLOGICAL STRUCTURE OF CULTISM BY WALTER MARTIN: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult/3#32514481 AN ANALYSIS INTO OYAKHILOME DOCTRINE OF "A MAN OF GOD CANNOT SIN" BY WX: www.nairaland.com/2237377/christ-embassy-church-cult/4#32592680 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Joagbaje(m): 3:24am On Apr 12, 2015 |
WinsomeX: Your assumptions are wrong brother. And it's a sin to call Gods people a name God hasn't called them. 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 6:25am On Apr 12, 2015 |
^^ Simple and short. |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 6:55am On Apr 12, 2015 |
Absolved Of All Guilt . - Sunday, April 12th . WinsomeX, you gotta just admit you were wrong to say Christianity started at the cross. When I read today's devotional (our cult book), I couldn't help but thank God for what Jesus did for the world of men. These are plain and great truths. Anyone who has issues with this is an enemy of the gospel, either out of sheer ignorance or deception. However, whosoever is willing to be taught of the Spirit will be like the Bereans, or have an open heart to receive God's Word that'll be able to save them. You see why you need get off your project here on NL and go tell everyone about Christ? But how can you tell them if you do not know Christ enough and what He did for us, especially by His ressurection? If you keep denying the word of God its efficacy by your traditions? That's where I come in, I can only intercede that you may come to the knowledge of truth, unto all goodness. The Bible said problems came to folks BECAUSE OF THE WORD, and if CE keeps being attacked by folks like you and whatever media, it shows it's of the Word. No one will greatly attack Churches like Olumba Olumba, Brotherhood of light and star etc churches as they do CE, and I am not surprised. Good morning 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by trustman: 7:42am On Apr 12, 2015 |
Gombs: What I don't see you do is address specific issues winsomeX had raised about CE. What I see you do is diverting attention away from the issues he has raised. You say things like " I hope not to be back here again." then you again reappear. If you want to stay why not address specific issues raised. Pick them up one by one and deal with them. Having said that I'd like you to answer this question: why has the sign of the cross been a major symbol in Christianity? One more thing - which comes first, justification or being a new creation? 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 8:12am On Apr 12, 2015 |
[quote author=trustman post=32624153] What I don't see you do is address specific issues winsomeX had raised about CE. Maybe you need glasses. Quietly get back and read carefully. What I see you do is diverting attention away from the issues he has raised. You keep seeing wrongly. I marvel not though. Walter Martins had issues with positive faith confessions, I put up one and ask him (DB) about it. He said nothing was wrong with it. Sadly, you didn't see those. He went further to bring up another, from a blogger, and I gave him what Pastor Chris said. Others, however were addressed on page 0. I am not surprised you didn't see any. ![]() You say things like " I hope not to be back here again." then you again reappear. Thanks to the mention button. ![]() If you want to stay why not address specific issues raised. Pick them up one by one and deal with them. Already done that... Maybe you really need glasses afterall. Having said that I'd like you to answer this question: why has the sign of the cross been a major symbol in Christianity? Really? Is it by pictorial signs? What of the purported picture of Christ? Can you show me where in the scriptures it was remotely suggested that the sign of the cross is a major symbol of Christianity? So, if Jesus was shot or stabbed or beheaded, a pistol or dagger will be a major symbol of Christianity? Let's not derail...open a thread, I'd be glad to tutor you on this. One more thing - which comes first, justification or being a new creation? If you did read the above from my cult book, you'd have noticed This is the concept of justification. Our justification isn't because Jesus "paid" for our sins; He did that for the whole world of sinners, but the Christian isn't a sinner. He's a new creation. Now, juxtaposind the above bold will answer you, clearly. However, let me help you. Jesus was raised from the dead for our justification, as he raised from the dead, we raised with Him. Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. ; You were justified the moment you got born again (new creation), they both came instateneously, not one before or after the other. 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by trustman: 8:45am On Apr 12, 2015 |
[quote author=Gombs post=32624957][/quote] I will come back and show you the flaws in your positions. |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by MuttleyLaff: 9:44am On Apr 12, 2015 |
trustman: Gombs: ![]() If it's trying corner or to pin Gombs down, he's almost impossible to catch because he will be slippery as an eel and wriggle out of grasps How typical mixing up crime scenes e.g. the cross, with murder weapons e.g. spear, pistol or dagger, Mind you Gombs, a pistol or dagger is a killing tool, in order words both are murder weapons The cross is a crime scene, call it a "crime room" if you like, a place where a murder took place. Jesus was CRUCIFIED, "killed" on a cross at Calvary or Golgotha The cross was where Jesus Christ was CRUCIFIED The cross served to bridge the gap that was between mankind, us and the Father. The cross was where Jesus took our punishment on Himself The cross was where the reconciliation of God and mankind through Jesus Christ was done. If Gombs is asking "Can you show me where in the scriptures it was remotely suggested that the sign of the cross is a major symbol of Christianity" then 1 Corinthians 2:1-2 is suffice, as verse 2 provides a clear evidence that the cross serves as a major catalyst and symbol of Christianity 1When I came to you, brothers, I didn't come and tell you about God's secret with rhetorical language or wisdom 2For while I was with you I resolved to know nothing except Jesus the Messiah, and him crucified. 3 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by MuttleyLaff: 10:08am On Apr 12, 2015 |
Joagbaje:As usual going to great and calculated lengths to distort Just imagine, as if like it was God that first or anywhere else called believers Christians If going by Acts 11:26, ALL have or are committing grade A sin then because God afterall, hasnt or had no where called "Gods people a name" like calling them Christians Acts 11:26 When he found him, he brought him back to Antioch. Both of them stayed there with the church for a full year, teaching large crowds of people. (It was at Antioch that the believers were first called Christians.) 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 10:59am On Apr 12, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: Hush son! So, if a criminal is executed by electric chair, is that said to be murder? So the cross is now a crime scene?...does executing a criminal via an electric chair makes the electric chair a 'murder weapon'? Think son.. Think. ![]() Mind you Gombs, a pistol or dagger is a killing tool, in order words both are murder weapons If I slam a hammer on guys head, would it e wrong to call the hammer a killing tool? Ie a murder weapon? The cross is a crime scene, call it a "crime room" if you like, a place where a murder took place. Wrong. Jesus was a sacrifice. He gave Himself up. He commanded His death Himself. The Cross was not a crime scene... It was the sacrifice 'platform' Jesus had to endure, for the glory ahead of Him. Jesus was NOT murdered. Jeez...study son! It's not illegal John 10:8 New Living Translation "No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded." It's either you're right and Jesus was exaggerating, or you're sorely wrong. I choose the latter.
Be ni The cross served to bridge the gap that was between mankind, us and the Father. The cross was where Jesus paid the price for all mankind. But it didn't end there... He resurrected, and hence became the first begotten from the dead, because so many others were coming after Him is me, you or any New creation. His resurrection was what brought forh Christianity. Jesus' ressurection is Christianity, he died was wonderful, for it paid the price... But even more glorious was His ressurection, He produced a lot more Jesuses The cross was where Jesus took our punishment on Himself What about the ressurection? If Gombs is asking "Can you show me where in the scriptures it was remotely suggested that the sign of the cross is a major symbol of Christianity" I am in no way against the cross, for if Jesus was not dead, there wouldn't have been a ressurection. My issue is, Christianity came by the ressurection, and not on the cross. If Jesus had not risen, there would not have been Christianity, for no other religion has this, the ressurection power Christ gave us. The cross is not a symbol of Christianity. What if Jesus was sentenced to death by hanging, and later, He did ressurect? What would have been the symbol of Christianity? Ropes or trees? 1When I came to you, brothers, I didn't come and tell you about God's secret with rhetorical language or wisdom What brought you Justification before God? His death or ressurection? NB: Crucifixion was a method of execution to the Romans. It was a disgraceful method of execution. Jesus could have been beheaded, what then would have been your symbol of Christianity? |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 11:11am On Apr 12, 2015 |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 11:36am On Apr 12, 2015 |
Gombs: Morning Gombs, Please consider this text and note what Dr Martins say of the term "redefinition". I will return to attend to the issues you raised above. WinsomeX: 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Joagbaje(m): 11:58am On Apr 12, 2015 |
WinsomeX: I don't need to prove anything to you . Jesus didn't have to prove anything . You can judge a doctrine but not a people or another man . Scripture says judge not. How much do you know enough to judge another ? If there is a. Doctrine you're not clear about ,knowing that there must be a bible reason for it why not ask for clarification, giving benefit of doubt than ,laying insult on Gods people ? . You enter deeper error thinking you're doing God a service . We never said if a christian does something wrong it's not a sin. So I'm amazed at how you came to that. Conclusion. What we believe which I have always posted on this forum is that an umbeliever cannot commit sin . He is sin personified . It's only a christian who can commit a sin. There is sin against the brethren and sin against God. It's a Christian that can RECIEVE forgiveness . But here you give impression as though we teach people to do wrong and it' won't be a sin. Secondly you talked about man of God caught pants down. Were you there ? These are dangerous things and very Unspiritual. Not just because he's a man of God. Even a wrong assumption of a christian is a sin. You can't go online spreading hear say. I have learn enough to keep myself from being busybody in other men's matter. If I didnt witness a wrong from a man . I should wash my heart from pollution. Even if I witness a wrong. I have to option. To pray and intercede. Or to correct if I have such authority over the person . Why should we leave the ministry of the gospel to be judging and condemning one another . 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by MuttleyLaff: 12:29pm On Apr 12, 2015 |
Joagbaje:I have never read anything so "confused.com" anywhere else like these It is like saying an evil person cannot commit evil because such is already evil personified or a career criminal is not committing a crime or cannot commit a crime because such is crime personified. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by MuttleyLaff: 12:29pm On Apr 12, 2015 |
Gombs:If trying to be insolent, try make me. Gombs:There you go again, calling apples oranges Murder scene is different to murder weapon What else was the cross or Calvary also called Golgotha, if not a murder or crime scene, think. Jesus was not a criminal, even Pontius Pilate on record, called to the attention of all in attendance that Jesus is an innocent man Jesus was sentenced to death on trumped-up charges, He was made to look guilty and so legally but ironically illegally killed He was killed technically Jesus had to die for us but obviously he wouldnt kill himself or commit suicide, the only legal avenue for Him to die is getting put to death on trumped-up charges He was "murdered", even the people that set Him up in Matthew 27:25 agreed to have His blood upon theirs and their children head Matthew 27:25: And all the people yelled back, "We will take responsibility for his death--we and our children!" Gombs:As said earlier said Jesus was not a criminal, even Pontius Pilate on record, before commanding and sentencing Jesus to death called to the attention of all in attendance that Jesus is an innocent man on trumped-up charges Jesus was made to look guilty and so legally but ironically, illegally killed Gombs:This is absolutely true Gombs, as no one can kill God God is unkillable unless He wants to play ball and the game Whether either I am right and Jesus was exaggerating, or I am sorely wrong is the beauty of a paradox Gombs:If it was easy to be congruent with me on that one, why kicking against other truths and facts, cant you see it makes you out looking fanatical or cultic Gombs:Dont know why you are trying so hard to extricate yourself from the fact and truth that Him dying on the cross bridged the gap between us and God Without the death, resurrection wouldnt take place or happen Gombs:Well said, and I guess, here is a good place for me to slip in and quote John 12:24 We are almost saying the same thing, but notice, according to John 12:24, it's the death and not resurrection that kick started production of many seeds or parrotting you "a lot more Jesuses" John 12:24 Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. Gombs:Can understand and see where you are coming from. All the 3 paragraphs above are all true, good and well, BUT, it still doesnt remove the fact that His death on the cross is seen as a message and symbol of Christianity Gombs:Thrilled to read you posting it this way but will be referring you back above to John 12:24 Gombs:If "the cross is not a symbol of Christianity" then Paul wouldnt be harping about "to know nothing except Jesus the Messiah, and him CRUCIFIED." Gombs, that "CRUCIFIED" or crucifixion happened on a cross Paul was so particularly and obsessed with the cross, where Jesus the Messiah, was crucified and died. Though all well and good but not the grave when He resurrected Gombs:You are smart, work it out yourself Gombs, you easily can do that on your own without assistance Gombs:You are falling rapidly off my hand asking no-brainer questions like these. Both brought Justification before God Gombs The two, death or ressurection, are like heads and tails of a legal tender coin, they are inextricable Gombs:Post something about Roman history and their method of carrying out death penalties that we dont already know about Gombs:Whatever the prevailing official or state method of carrying out of capital punishment or the death penalty would have been the symbol of Christianity Stop going on a rabbit trail Gombs, Jesus was prophesied to die for our sins on a cross, crucified, and so he died on a cross as prophesied 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Joagbaje(m): 1:14pm On Apr 12, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff:l That's your interpretation. If you want explanation "simply ask.com" 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 1:28pm On Apr 12, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: Well this is a slam dunk in basket ball. After long evasion, and hankey-pankey games, you still came to the point I have been asking about. For that, I thank you. So, then, like I asked, if Jesus was stoned to death, what what have been the symbol of Christianity? Stones or ... ![]() [img]http://i./O5NyCibf93upy.gif[/img] Hilarious. Your writing pattern is same as Goshen's... Even the way he quotes scriptures. I don't want to believe what I'm thinking o |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by MuttleyLaff: 1:37pm On Apr 12, 2015 |
Gombs:Keep on consoling yourself falsely Paul and us arent talking about the murder "stoning to death" weapon but rather where the "crime" or act as it were was carried out - at the cross, cruficfied Told you earlier, you are smart, should work it out yourself Gombs, you easily can do that on your own without assistance Gombs:We are doing detective too, a man of many talents 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by MuttleyLaff: 1:38pm On Apr 12, 2015 |
Joagbaje:[img]http://i./O5NyCibf93upy.gif[/img] Hilarious Hope you are comfortable lying like a persia rug 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Gombs(m): 2:02pm On Apr 12, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: I'm glad viewers of this thread can make a good judgement of events here. We are doing detective too, a man of many talents You never can tell... Just like how we busted WinsomeX aka Drummaboy. Actually, one does not need special skills to know these. I've been discussing with some folks here for like 4 years, day in, day out. It is normal for me to detect a red flag in communication. If you guys would love changing moniker, no problem with me... Your messages don't change, nor write pattern. If you are him, fine, if not fine...its not my problem. I just stated the obvious. Can we stop derailing now? |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by MuttleyLaff: 2:29pm On Apr 12, 2015 |
Gombs:Yes, how you are trying to wriggle out of the Cross of being a symbol of Christianity Gombs:Just concentrate on the posts or postings and not the posters whoever you are paranoid over Gombs:Like stop playing detective for a start 2 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by trustman: 3:30pm On Apr 12, 2015 |
A symbol is a representation of something.Gombs: MuttleyLaff has done some work in trying to open your eyes to what the cross stands for. I just hope you've got some lesson from there. If you don't then you really need help. One needs to start from the scratch to teach you guys basics of Christianity. So the big question is - where does one start in order to get the baggage out? Salvation is a 'package'. In other words, salvation in Christ has many aspects and provisions that came with it in one package deal. So when we talk about 'reconciliation', 'redemption', atonement, 'justification', etc they are all contained in the 'package'. Secondly, it is always a 'systematic' or 'categorical' putting together of scripture that helps with a better or more comprehensive understanding of each of the areas of a subject in scripture that one wants to focus on. Therefore picking just a single verse to explain or support an issue does not do justice to it most of the time. You need to string together related portions of scripture to get a better picture. Your m-o-g in what you yourself called your "cult book" said: "Our justification isn't because Jesus "paid" for our sins;" And also that: "The new creation isn't a product of the death and burial of Jesus Christ, but of His resurrection! " So many questions can readily come to mind - 1. Would there have been justification if our sins were not paid for? 2. Where was our sins paid for; on the cross or at the resurrection? 3. Was there any 'work' on our behalf by Christ at the resurrection or was the resurrection a display of his finished work and so represented part and parcel of his work ? 4. Can the resurrection be divorced then from Christ' death and burial? Many more questions can be asked but let's stop at these. If we take your following statement to be correct: "You were justified the moment you got born again (new creation), they both came instateneously, not one before or after the other." then the following from your "cult book" cannot be right: "You're justified, because you're a new creation." So justification did not come as a result (because) of being a new creation. Justification as well as being new creation and all the other things ALL became the believer's at the moment of salvation. Undoubtedly without the cross (a historical incident clearly attested to by the gospels and epistles) there would be no Christianity. The cross represents all that God in love did to accomplish salvation for mankind. The cancellation of all that stood against us was done at the cross: "by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross." Colossians 2:14 Our justification was made possible because Christ paid for it at the cross. There would be no new creation (a new SPIRITUAL species and not a new physically created man - there's a whole lot of difference; no physical genetic change took place) without Christ's work on our behalf. And the cross was a high point in this work. Therefore to say that the cross, a defining moment in man's history, birthed Christianity is absolutely not in question. 3 Likes |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 4:45pm On Apr 12, 2015 |
A DEFENCE AGAINST GOMBS Gombs: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: Dr Walter Martin: Dr Walter Martin: First, I need to make it clear Gombs that my priority on this thread is not locating when Christianity started. I am sure I didn't mention it on this thread. It was raised on the WoF thread but certainly not here. Whether on the cross before or after is immaterial. The important thing is to have and practice true Christianity. Which is exactly what I'm accusing CE of denying its members. I have quoted Walter again to refer you to the problem of semantics and redefinition that your Pastor is very guilty of. Walter points out that cults avoid the distasteful parts of the gospel. They rather will present the goody goody gospel to you. Pastor Chris has not taught anything new in that piece above. In fact I could say that it sounds like correct theology to me. The only problem with it is that it possesses an underlying motive that the gospel of Christ does not. Indeed scripture teaches about the righteousness of Christ being ours. The implication will be that before God the Christian has no sin. But practically this is not so. The Christian life must be seen in a dual manner. The first is his perfection bc of Christ and the done of the cross. The second is his imperfection that calls him to a life of holiness - the practical. It is the latter that warrants Paul to write whole sections of his epistles speaking on practical Christian walk. The Christian is the one that must be holy. Thus when Chris teaches that the "Christian is not a sinner" and goes on to defend himself as a man of God, claiming he cannot sin, Chris is teaching a false gospel. He is teaching a selective, juicy and lovely Christianity without the distasteful parts as Walter warns. True gospel preaching is like treating a festering wound. You don't bandage it all up and continue to say all is well. Sometimes it requires you tell the patient or the sinner some gospel truth that might seem like peeling off the wound surface and applying hot water, while the patient screams or the sinner mourns his sins. When this is done, you can now apply balm and bandage; just as you will tell the Christian or the sinner the gospel of grace. True gospel preaching must be first distasteful before it is enjoyable. When Chris teaches that Christians cannot sin and the media is filled with allegations of the Pastor's sexual escapade, including a nl thread that listed prominent CE lady Pastors as his bed mate; while his wife accuses him of adultery, the wary have a reason to worry. It is the subject of not handling the doctrine of sin properly, while at the same time living a life that is replete with innumerable allegations of sexual sins that makes me conclude that the CE is a cult. It teaches doctrines and live in a manner that is incompatible with bible truths. 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 5:03pm On Apr 12, 2015 |
Joagbaje: If you do not wish to prove that I am sinning by calling your church a cult, it is fine. Its a hard work to do and I understand your reluctance. But how you can conclude here that we are not to judge people but easily claim I am sinning in another post, is inconsistency bc by your own standard: judge doctrine not men. Something on the Jesus not proving anything: It is clear that Jesus did all the miracles he did to PROVE to the Jews he was the messiah. They were SIGNS pointing to him. Our Lord spent all his life proving his veracity. As to the judge not scripture. Look well Bro. Matthew 7:1ff teaches we should not judge as long as we are guilty of same thing. 1Cor 5, Paul calls us to judge fellow believers. 1 Thess 5, scriptures calks us to prove all things. Matthew 24: beware of false prophets. Judge and know them. Etc. Joagbaje: I refer you to my last post to Gombs. Joagbaje: No need to get all tensed up. These things are no secret anymore. And the same you that will deny owing a man half a million after you were clearly busted of a miracle scam should not be telling us what to believe or not to believe. Its obvious that lying is another trademark of CE. 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by Joagbaje(m): 5:18pm On Apr 12, 2015 |
WinsomeX: Nobody is tensed up dear . You can continue with your lifestyle . If that's your understanding of Christianity. I only admonish you as s christian at least it's on record someone reached out to you . You cant say you're ignorant of truth . My hand is free. Have a greeat day. 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by WinsomeX: 7:42pm On Apr 12, 2015 |
Joagbaje:. A wise way of avoiding the issues raised. It's been nice discussing with you too. Bye bye. 1 Like |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by vooks: 6:00am On Apr 13, 2015 |
Hello Pastor, Doctrines don't grow in the forest, and nor are they propagated by dolphins; they are taught by men, and the purveyors of false doctrines are false teachers. Hell is not reserved for false doctrines but for false teachers. So if Oyaks propagates falsehoods, we are supposed to JUDGE it. It would be very unthinking judging doctrines minus their purveyors. Recently, some four terrorists stormed a university and butchered 147 kids. According to Joagbaje, judge the doctrine, those were very innocent boys, in fact calling them terrorists is insulting. They are not even murderers, but murder of the 147 they did http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/04/africa/kenya-garissa-university-witnesses/ Let's look at how scriptures treat false teachers\prophet Matthew 7:15 (KJV) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves 2 Cor 11:13 (KJV) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ 2Peter 2:1 (KJV) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction The point is , you can't be wary of false doctrines while completely indifferent/ignorant of their teachers PS: Has it ever occurred to you how this 'judge not' is applied selectively to pastors and not the laity/congregation? Joagbaje: Cc Winsomex, Trustman,SirJohn,Gombs |
Re: The Christ Embassy Church Is A Cult by trustman: 8:05am On Apr 13, 2015 |
vooks: Starting from Jesus Christ, when he condemned false teachings he mentioned the purveyors - the Pharisees & Co. "Jesus said to them, "Watch and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees." Mathew 16:6 "1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you-but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 5 They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, 6 and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues 7 and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others." (Mathew 23). The Apostles also did the same. Paul was specific in Galatians when he mentioned Peter's hypocrisy. He said he "opposed him to his face". The issue ultimately should be whether or not what is being preached agrees with the Scripture. The word of God should be more highly regarded than anything else - whether man or man's teachings. |
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