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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by omoiseselagba: 6:46pm On Apr 13, 2015

SirShymexx:

Loool.

Yoruba folks on these sides always disrespect the supreme Ijebu crown on Awujale's head. I dunno why but it is cos most of them don't know anything about Yoruba history. Imagine folks grouping Awujale with all these modern kings who got their crowns from Ooni in the 19th century - bwaahahahaha. Conquered territories. What insolence!

Anyway, I rate both Alaafin and Ooni, and those are the only two Yoruba king I'd put over Awujale. Oyo: due to its size and the greatness it achieved. And Ife as the home of all.

You lot need to sheathe ya swords - one love and one big Yoruba. One nation!

THE AWUJALE IS NOT IN ANY WAY AHEAD OF AWUJALE.LAI LAI.IJEBU LAND WAS A KINGDOM AND WE ARRIVED BEFORE THE MAIN YORUBA TRIBE CAME.IJEBUS ARE NOT EVEN YORUBAS.WHAT WE HAD THEN WERE OYO,EGBA,IJESHA,ONDO,ETC ETC.OSOGBO WAS EVEN AN IJESA TOWN B4 THE OYO ELEMENT TOOK OVER THE LAND DUE TO ILORIN UPSURGE.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by SirShymexx: 6:47pm On Apr 13, 2015

AreaFada2:
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That was the original title that the early Benin-origin rulers of Eko beginning with Ashipa/Asipa/Esikpa. During Akintoye & Kosoko time too.

Eleko wasn't considered the rank of an Oba as Alafin or Ooni for example under Benin influence until Dosunmi (called Docemo in British documents) signed over Lagos to the British.
Even in the 1922 Lagos crisis period, it was still mostly Eleko. Kosoko hated the British imperialist ambitions just like his kin, the Oba of Benin despised the British. The Oba title was an elevation in name to be at par with other first class Obas.

I know ethnic jingoist will soon descend claiming Oba of Lagos was first son of Ododuwa .

Luckily HRH Oba Oyekan was honest enough about the origin of Lagos monarchy when he was alive. His son was my classmate.

Thanks, bro.

Educative.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by MrPresident1: 6:47pm On Apr 13, 2015

omoiseselagba:
ALAFIN NEVER RULED IN IJEBU LAND.HE ONLY RULED THE OYOS.THE OYOS ARE THE PRESENT DAY ISEYIN,IBADAN,ILORIN,SOME EGBAS,SOME OYO ELEMENT IN OSUN STAE AND KETU IN BENIN REPUBLIC.

Ijebu were not subjects/vassals of the Oyo empire?

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by DollyParton1(f): 6:47pm On Apr 13, 2015

SirShymexx:

Nah, it is for all Yorubas.

25% Ijebu, 25% Egba, 25% Oyo and other Yorubas make up the rest.

That is the story of Ibadan - they can't rewrite history.

Lol.... so am probably 0.0000009% Ibadan then. cheesy

But not all the Egbas are from Ibadan.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by omoiseselagba: 6:48pm On Apr 13, 2015

Mynd44:

I went further to explain that

"The Eleko's territory is limited to Lagos Island and environs but that changed when the constitution made the crown the head of all traditional crowns in Lagos state. At this point, the Oba of Lagos was coined as the Oba of Lagos which is the Oba of Lagos State not just Lagos Island like the Eleko"

THERE IS NOTHING LIKE OBA OF LAGOS.WHAT WE HAVE IS ELEKO OF EKO.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by SirShymexx: 6:49pm On Apr 13, 2015

omoiseselagba:
THE AWUJALE IS NOT IN ANY WAY AHEAD OF AWUJALE.LAI LAI.IJEBU LAND WAS A KINGDOM AND WE ARRIVED BEFORE THE MAIN YORUBA TRIBE CAME.IJEBUS ARE NOT EVEN YORUBAS.WHAT WE HAD THEN WERE OYO,EGBA,IJESHA,ONDO,ETC ETC.OSOGBO WAS EVEN AN IJESA TOWN B4 THE OYO ELEMENT TOOK OVER THE LAND DUE TO ILORIN UPSURGE.

Lol.

We are Yorubas but we just had our own separate Kingdom and thrived in isolation. We were never under Oyo but Oyo empire did protect us and a lot of Ijebus also lived in Oyo.

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by zimoni(f): 6:49pm On Apr 13, 2015

hercules07:

The Ijebus were not really Ife lovers, why should they be, they were more concerned about the sea than the hinterland, if Ife was that important, the Fulanis would have loved to overrun it. The seat of the King was in Oyo, the Alaafin was the paramount ruler of the Yorubas. Ibadan was founded by Ifes, Ijebus and Egbas, check out how many Ibadan people are Ijebus, the Ifes were kicked out because of their ways. I am an Ibadan man who knows that the Olubadan is not a first class king but we shit on the Ooni from a very great height. Awolowo was the one who promoted the Ooni by making Sir Adesoji Aderemi powerful.

We are debating here not arguing. That's unnecessary Sir.

Thanks.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by SirShymexx: 6:50pm On Apr 13, 2015

DollyParton1:

Lol.... so am probably 0.0000009% Ibadan then.

But not all the Egbas are from Ibadan.

I think they all used to live in Ibadan before they were kicked out lool.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by PenSniper: 6:51pm On Apr 13, 2015

Proudly OODUA.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by omonnakoda: 6:52pm On Apr 13, 2015

MrPresident1:

The Fulani horse was destroyed at Osogbo by the Ibadan army who were loyal to the throne of Oyo. In this war, many prominent Ilorins were captured, they were fighting under the banner of Islam and fully supported equipped and encouraged by the Fulanis. Fulanis being very crafty and full of subterfuge would have obtained the kingdom easily if the renegades had been successful.

And just as Abdusalami invited the flag from Gwandu, the new conquerors would have invited the flag from Sokoto directly.

Inviting flags and all that is symbolism. Those who came from Ilorin to fight Oyo were Yoruba speaking Hausas,Nupe,etc who had lived or were born in Oyo and their Oyo collaborators there was no army marching down from Gwandu to join them.They had enough problems of their own in Gwandu WIth regard to Fulani horse did Oyos not use horses in spreading their empire, the Oyo army had centuries of experience using horses. So we would expect Ilorin renegades of the Oyo empire to be no different in that regard We must not forget that originally Oyo was based further up north and had relationships with all those peoples, Nupe,Gwari Hausa etc Where was Oyo Ile? the fact of the matter is Ilorin was akin to the US breaking away from England the French helped them but it wwas not a French enterprise. Many of the Fulani who participated were Oyo born and Oyo speakers just like the current Emir. When you say fully equipped by Fulanis I laugh . Which Fulanis. Who are these FOOLANIS . Did The Fulanis march through Gwari land and Nupe land to equip the Ilorin with what exactly The North of Ilorin is NOT populated by Fulani
Does the current Emir trace his ancestry to Dan Fodio or any known Fulani Emir. Where did Alii actually come from? For all we know he was another slave who was freed and settled in Oyo
Yoruba land had always been full of mercenaries and freed or escaped slaves which was the main product of Oyo.These slaves were usually Hausa,Kemberi Tapa etc many could fight and did so as mercenaries e.g the Ijebus did not keep an army but relied on mercenaries .Often they were muslim and Ilorin was a great opportunity for them but the idea that somehow there was some Sokoto or Gwandu driven incursion is not true or backed up by evidence

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by somegirl1: 6:57pm On Apr 13, 2015

Babatundetinubu:

Jealousy....... ...where is ur own oduduwa fairy tale...anyway I don't want to spoil this thread....

Jealous?
Why should I be?
I'm a realist

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by alesey(m): 7:00pm On Apr 13, 2015

my brother you re wrong ooo that is not the meaning of the name. what ESUBGAYImean is wealth is famous.

seunfly:

Oboy!!!!! That name go fear you ooooo, you will know he is real traditional man. Esugbayi = Adoration to Satan or Satan has respect.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by netmillionaires(m): 7:01pm On Apr 13, 2015

nduchucks:

Nice historical post there.

While Eleko of Eko was not a ceremonial oba back in the 1950s, I'm afraid there is no room for anything other than ceremonial responsibilities for Obas in the current dispensation.

This irresponsible practice of supporting Obas and Emirs with state and federal funds and allowing them to meddle in our political affairs need to be terminated. These state funds are illegally, simply given to them by Governors and even Presidents.

The Obas, Ezes, and Emirs can get real jobs like the rest of Nigerian citizens. If their "subjects" want to mantain certain lifestyles for their Oba, let them go and pass local council ordinances or ask their state legislators to approve state or local income taxes to support the, now lazy ass rougue Obas. nansense.

in as much as I understand ur point, but what do we say about the Queen of England. The english man came to destroy our monarchy system of government yet still recognise their queen.

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by SirShymexx: 7:01pm On Apr 13, 2015

9jacrip:

Loool
Struggle for superiority in order to undermine Ife is real.

I don't even think any of the two can claim superiority over the other since even at the peak of Oyo empire - the Alaafin never attacked Ife.

Both are great and they represent the two sides of Yoruba history: spiritual and power/imperialism.

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by sinkhole: 7:03pm On Apr 13, 2015

seunfly:

Oboy!!!!! That name go fear you ooooo, you will know he is real traditional man. Esugbayi = Adoration to Satan or Satan has respect.

Hee my guy, no mis-information here; Esu is not the same as Satan!

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by MrPresident1: 7:09pm On Apr 13, 2015

omonnakoda:
Inviting flags and all that is symbolism. Those who came from Ilorin to fight Oyo were Yoruba speaking Hausas,Nupe,etc who had lived or were born in Oyo and their Oyo collaborators there was no army marching down from Gwandu to join them.They had enough problems of their own in Gwandu WIth regard to Fulani horse did Oyos not use horses in spreading their empire? Where was Oyo Ile? the fact of the matter is Ilorin was akin to the US breaking away from England the French helped them but it wwas not a French enterprise. Many of the Fulani who participated were Oyo born and Oyo speakers just like the current Emir. When you say fully equipped by Fulanis laugh . Which Fulanis. Who are these FOOLANIS .The Fulanis marched through Gwari land and Nupe land to equip the Ilorin with what exactly?
Yoruba land had always been full of mercenaries and freed or escaped slaves which was the main product of Oyo.These slaves were usually Hausa,Kemberi Tapa etc many could fight and did so as mercenaries e.g the Ijebus did not keep an army but relied on mercenaries .Often they were muslim and Ilorin was a great opportunity for them but the idea that somehow there was some Sokoto or Gwandu driven incursion is not true or backed up by evidence

Inviting flags means establishment of suzerainty over a conquered people. Akin to hoisting a flag over conquered territory. Disparate renegades fighting under the banner of Islam would easily have submitted to the Fulani who even then were viewed as having a superior culture, and coupled with their natural tendency to willyness, it would have been a complete take over. You need to understand the shadowy movements of the masters of subterfuge; the voice is Jacob's but the hand is Esau's.

The centripetal force holding the empire was at its lowest ebb at this time, and the decisive victory at Osogbo is what saved the larger 'Yoruba' people from being subjects of the Fulani today. They would have continued until they dipped the Quran in the sea. Your own hometown would have its own emir too, taking orders directly from Sokoto. And no matter how sugary you may want to paint it, it would still look bad being subject to Fulani rulership, as you attempt to downplay its effect on the Hausa people.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by eleshin(m): 7:13pm On Apr 13, 2015

Can you guys discuss more of Eko (Lagos) pls. This is fast becoming Oyo/Ijesha things.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 7:14pm On Apr 13, 2015

seunfly:

First class in which aspect?

Is it in state or in a standard Yoruba concept.

At state level, we may have many first class king depending on the size and importance of their community in the state.

In a standard Yoruba concept, we don't have many first class king and I don't think oba of Lagos is among.

The traditional first class Yoruba kings are Orogun of Ila, Alafin of Oyo, Oni of Ife, Alake of egba and oba of bennin.

The next in hierachy are: Olubadan of Ibadan, awojale of Ijebu, Timi of Ede, owa obokun Of Ijesha, onokoyi, Osamawe of ondo etc

The third level are Soun of ogbomosho, olofa of offa, akinrun of ikinrun etc.

Some of our popular kings are made popular because of the mordern development which favour their community and they become more popular.

For instance Deji of Akure in not bigger than Osamawe of ondo but since akure in the capital and Deji is the king of Akure, his throne overshadow the king of ondo town.

Whaooo!!!! Did u say awujale akile Ijebu, oba sikiru Kayode adetona Ogbagba II is a second class oba in yoruba land? Where do ppl learn history from these days? Awujale sits high up there with alaafin, ooni , alake of egba and whoever you want to add to that list of first class...

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by DollyParton1(f): 7:16pm On Apr 13, 2015

SirShymexx:

I think they all used to live in Ibadan before they were kicked out lool.

Not all of them. Egba is divided into areas, those of the Ake areas are the indigenous egba. Others are from Ibadan as you put it, they ran to egba for refuge and were accepted allocated to different areas. Thats how the name "Egba" came about, and why Alake of Egba Land is the paramount ruler of Egba. He is a first class King.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by manck2: 7:17pm On Apr 13, 2015

9jacrip:

The Alaafin was the paramount ruler of Yoruba land, but, you might want to remove the Ijebus from that list, they were not really part of Yorubaland as such, they were more concerned about Lagos and the Seas than the hinterland, the hinterland Yorubas were also more concerned about the North than the Seas, the Ijebus really guarded the sea jealously.

Ijebu guarded seas?
The awujale must have been Asari Dokubo pf that period LOL!

The Ijebu played a pivotal role in Yoruba history; the politics, economics snd social aspects, all of it.

Alaafin ruled many Yoruba towns exclusive of some - Ife, Ijebu, the whole of Ijesha land (which spread to Ekiti).

where do you people get all this bullshiit from.. alafin was not the paramont rule of yorubaland. neither was ijebu, You people look like illiterate people.. What do they teach you people in school nowadays.

Dont you have parent.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by omonnakoda: 7:18pm On Apr 13, 2015

MrPresident1:

Inviting flags means establishment of suzerainty over a conquered people. Akin to hoisting a flag over conquered territory. Disparate renegades fighting under the banner of Islam would easily have submitted to the Fulani who even then were viewed as having a superior culture, and coupled with their natural tendency to willyness, it would have been a complete take over. You need to understand the shadowy movements of the masters of subterfuge; the voice is Jacob's but the hand is Esau's.

The centripetal force holding the empire was at its lowest ebb at this time, and the decisive victory at Osogbo is what saved the larger 'Yoruba' people from being subjects of the Fulani today. They would have continued until they dipped the Quran in the sea. Your own hometown would have its own emir too, taking orders directly from Sokoto. And no matter how sugary you may want to paint it, it would still look bad being subject to Fulani rulership, as you attempt to downplay its effect on the Hausa people.

like Boko Haram Flags?Boko Haram recently pledged allegiance to ISIS so Nigeria is now part of ISIS? you can interpret it how you like. With Regard to dipping Quran in the sea it is already in the sea. Lagos State has the greatest muslim population in Yoruba land outside Kwara. Alaafin/Oduduwa was not indigenous to Yoruba land and so would be no different to a Fulani.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by SirShymexx: 7:24pm On Apr 13, 2015

DollyParton1:

Not all of them. Egba is divided into areas, those of the Ake areas are the indigenous egba. Others are from Ibadan as you put it, they ran to egba for refuge and were accepted allocated to different areas. Thats how the name "Egba" came about, and why Alake of Egba Land is the paramount ruler of Egba. He is a first class King.

Hmmm. Interesting - whatever you say. I believe you lol. I don't wanna get into Egba history before ya resident Egba supremacists start chasing me everywhere again lool.

What is the greatest Egba warrior called again? Lisabi innit? That was a great warrior right there and the Egbas were great fighters, especially the Owus.

However, I'm still on conquering ya Egba badonkadonk like the Ijebus did the Egbas in Ibadan. tongue

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 7:24pm On Apr 13, 2015

SirShymexx:

Loool.

Yoruba folks on these sides always disrespect the supreme Ijebu crown on Awujale's head. I dunno why but it is cos most of them don't know anything about Yoruba history. Imagine folks grouping Awujale with all these modern kings who got their crowns from Ooni in the 19th century - bwaahahahaha. Conquered territories. What insolence!

Anyway, I rate both Alaafin and Ooni, and those are the only two Yoruba king I'd put over Awujale. Oyo: due to its size and the greatness it achieved. And Ife as the home of all.

You lot need to sheathe ya swords - one love and one big Yoruba. One nation!

I personally won't put the alaafin and ooni ahead of awujale... They are on the same level..

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 7:25pm On Apr 13, 2015

SirShymexx:

I don't even think any of the two can claim superiority over the other since even at the peak of Oyo empire - the Alaafin never attacked Ife.

Both are great and they represent the two sides of Yoruba history: spiritual and power/imperialism.

True but sadly many anti-ife do not see it this way.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by DollyParton1(f): 7:25pm On Apr 13, 2015

SirShymexx:

Lol.

But Olubadan can Never be a first class - that is a slap on Yoruba culture.

Becoming an Olubadan is like attaining the heights of one's career. That ish is a joke.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by omonnakoda: 7:27pm On Apr 13, 2015

tobimillar:

I personally won't put the alaafin and ooni ahead of awujale... They are d same level..

Awujale is not the same level with Ooni who has no standing as an Oba

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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by SirShymexx: 7:27pm On Apr 13, 2015

tobimillar:

I personally won't put the alaafin and ooni ahead of awujale... They are d same level..

Erm, you have to respect the greatness of Oyo. And Ife gave all Yorubas something deeper than rap.

But the rest were conquered, so Awujale reigns supreme over all of them.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by DollyParton1(f): 7:29pm On Apr 13, 2015

SirShymexx:

Hmmm. Interesting - whatever you say. I believe you lol. I don't wanna get into Egba history before ya resident Egba supremacists start chasing me everywhere again lool.

What is the greatest Egba warrior called again? Lisabi innit? That was a great warrior right there and the Egbas were great fighters, especially the Owus.

However, I'm still on conquering ya Egba badonkadonk like the Ijebus did the Egbas in Ibadan.

Lisabi Agbongboakala. cheesy

Errrm you Ijebus conquered Egba? Am hearing this for the first time.
You know Obasanjo is an owu indigene. He is currently the custodian of the title "Balogun of Owu".

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by spiralwedge(m): 7:31pm On Apr 13, 2015

Mynd44:

Wrong. The Eleko of Eko is different from the Oba of Lagos but in a way similar. The difference is the control they have.

The Eleko's territory is limited to Lagos Island and environs but that changed when the constitution made the crown the head of all traditional crowns in Lagos state. At this point, the Oba of Lagos was coined as the Oba of Lagos is the Oba of Lagos State not just Lagos Island like the Eleko

.you are right. but same person wears these crowns and bears these titles

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by SirShymexx: 7:31pm On Apr 13, 2015

DollyParton1:

Becoming an Olubadan is like attaining the heights of one's career. That ish is a joke.

Lol.

Don't let Ibadan folks hear that looool.

Most of them don't even know the warriors were a combined forces of all Yorubas, but mostly Oyo folks. Hence they always tout the military might. But the Egbas and Ekitis/Ijeshas held their own against them. Especially the Egbas despite fighting on a next front against Dahomey.

Egbas are warriors though. tongue

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by SirShymexx: 7:34pm On Apr 13, 2015

9jacrip:

True but sadly many anti-ife do not see it this way.

Too bad.

I love what Ife represents though. That rich history is just too deep.

Hopefully, in future, folks will start excavating the place to unleash the great treasures hidden under the city. That is what I'm actually interested in.

Ife also gave Yorubas those unique artworks - greatness right there.

Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by SirShymexx: 7:38pm On Apr 13, 2015

DollyParton1:

Lisabi Agbongboakala.
Errrm you Ijebus conquered Egba? Am hearing this for the first time.
You know Obasanjo is an owu indigene. He is currently the custodian of the title "Balogun of Owu".

Lol.

Whopped ya ar.ses, man. But you did win some market shouting matches with Remos though. You lot are lucky you never had to go to war with a combined Ijebu forces - we were too busy making money to be fighting anyone lool.

But we did fight the Brits though - Anglo/Ijebu war and lost somewhere around Epe.

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