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Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by kc007(m): 2:54pm On Apr 14, 2015
Good day all.
Audi A4, 2001 year model, 1.8t, auto transmission with mileage of over 190000.
My present experience: I use recommended engine oil grade of 5W 40 from forte oils. I notice significant oil shortage without external leaks, though there'rr oil stains around the engine body. The engine does not smoke either.
The last engine oil change I did has covered about 3000 miles, within this period I've topped the oil with almost 3 litres.
Please Is this normal, or should I switch to conventional oil or could it be from the product?
Suggestions please!
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by 9icetoo(m): 3:02pm On Apr 14, 2015
Do you notice oil stains where you park the car overnight? Check your exhaust and see if you can touch oily soot. Or have someone else drive the car like you would normally, while you follow behind in another car. Look for light blue smoke. Some cars smoke lightly under heavy acceleration and the owners don't even know cos it can't be seen from the rear view mirror. Try these and you will figure out where it's losing oil from.
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by Nobody: 3:27pm On Apr 14, 2015
0w 40 is synthetic, for a car manufactured in 2001, u shud knw that the rings will have clerance , hence oil leaks out , even though theres no smoke, the rings are obviosly bad . Its advisale to go for 20w 50 which is what is common in naija.
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by kc007(m): 3:32pm On Apr 14, 2015
No oil drops or stains on the ground where I park or oily soot on the exhaust tail.
I will be in another car to observe from behind for the smoke while driving.
Thanks.
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by kc007(m): 3:33pm On Apr 14, 2015
kaeforum:
0w 40 is synthetic, for a car manufactured in 2001, u shud knw that the rings will have clerance , hence oil leaks out , even though theres no smoke, the rings are obviosly bad . Its advisale to go for 20w 50 which is what is common in naija.
Ok, thanks.
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by Nobody: 6:01pm On Apr 14, 2015
kaeforum:
Its advisale to go for 20w 50 which is what is common in naija.

Bad advice buddy.

The 1.8T engine MUST be run exclusively on 5W-30 synthetic. Run it with a thick, heavy 20W-50 grade, and sludge will destroy that engine. All petrol AND diesel VAG engines built from 1998> require 5W-30, >1998 will run happily on 5W-30 or 10W-40.

20W-50 oil may be common in Nigeria, but common does NOT make it right.

190,000 kms is a mere 118,750 miles. My 2005 Audi A8 has covered over 150,000 miles, and still runs exclusively on 5W-30 synthetic oil.

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Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by kc007(m): 10:53pm On Apr 14, 2015
Siena:


Bad advice buddy.

The 1.8T engine MUST be run exclusively on 5W-30 synthetic. Run it with a thick, heavy 20W-50 grade, and sludge will destroy that engine. All petrol AND diesel VAG engines built from 1998> require 5W-30, >1998 will run happily on 5W-30 or 10W-40.

20W-50 oil may be common in Nigeria, but common does NOT make it right.

190,000 kms is a mere 118,750 miles. My 2005 Audi A8 has covered over 150,000 miles, and still runs exclusively on 5W-30 synthetic oil.
The 190,000 mileage mentioned is in miles. Mr Siena, i have not used the 20w-50 oil grade because of how you have stressed the effect of sludge on 1.8T engine in your audi/vw thread. But with this level shortage, what should one do?
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by Nobody: 2:16pm On Apr 15, 2015
I think this sludge problem is peculiar to Passat models of 2000 and above, havent heard much complaints from other vw brands like Audi, Jetta , I use a 1998 Jetta, and my neibor uses a Passat B4, thats d oil we use for services, its my 3rd year in my car , its over 200k in mileage.
These brand os synthetic oils arent too common in ph where i stay.
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by locutas: 7:41pm On Apr 15, 2015
@siena

I have been using Total Quartz 9000 (5w- 40) for my 2000 A4 B5 1.8l non-turbo. I believe that's what the manual specifies. You saying I should be using a different oil type?
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by Nobody: 8:13pm On Apr 15, 2015
locutas:
@siena

I have been using Total Quartz 9000 (5w- 40) for my 2000 A4 B5 1.8l non-turbo. I believe that's what the manual specifies. You saying I should be using a different oil type?

The 1.8 20V (125hp) can be run on 5W-40, though 5W-30 is best.
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by Nobody: 8:21pm On Apr 15, 2015
kaeforum:
I think this sludge problem is peculiar to Passat models of 2000 and above, havent heard much complaints from other vw brands like Audi, Jetta , I use a 1998 Jetta, and my neibor uses a Passat B4, thats d oil we use for services, its my 3rd year in my car , its over 200k in mileage.
These brand os synthetic oils arent too common in ph where i stay.

The VAG engines are common to both Audi and Volkswagen. What is peculiar to an engine in an Audi will also affect the same engine in a Volkswagen, Seat or Skoda.

20W-50 should NOT be used in your engine. It is way too thick, and takes much longer to give full protection, until it's warm. The thicker oil also takes longer to warm up, as the flow is poor.

If you prefer to ignore this, and continue to use that grade, please feel free. I suppose when you upgrade to a 2010 Volkswagen Touareg or a 2014 Audi Q7, you'll still continue to run 20W-50 in these late engines?
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by kc007(m): 3:10pm On Apr 16, 2015
I will look out for 5W-30 or 10W-40 oil grade & see what happens, but I'm sure 5W-40 was also stated in the manual as alternative.
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by Nobody: 8:11am On Apr 17, 2015
Yes 5w 40 is the recommended for my jetta, I believe Total Quartz 9000 has that rating, but incase you dont see it 20w 50 will do just fine, its multigrade and god for our hot african climate, at least correct me if am wrong, but when was the last time temperatures dropped to 5 degrees celsius in Naija, this not United kingdom.

The Advantage the 5w 40 has over the 20w 50 is that it can last longer in your engine up to 6 months. before change.

Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by Nobody: 8:30am On Apr 17, 2015
kaeforum:
Yes 5w 40 is the recommended for my jetta, I believe Total Quartz 9000 has that rating, but incase you dont see it 20w 50 will do just fine, its multigrade and god for our hot african climate, at least correct me if am wrong, but when was the last time temperatures dropped to 5 degrees celsius in Naija, this not United kingdom.
The Advantage the 5w 40 has over the 20w 50 is that it can last longer in your engine up to 6 months. before change.

You still don't get it.

There are 2 issues here - temperature and engine tolerance. Most VAG engines run pretty hot, like most modern motors do. The 1.8T actually runs hotter than a low-revving 4.2 V8.

20W-50 will NOT give adequate protection here, it does not promote fast warm-up, and the heat generated by modern engines will break it down in no time. This is what mixes with condensation and forms sludge. You might as well run groundnut oil in your engine, it's protection levels are no different.

The only reason one would use 20W-50 in a modern engine is laziness, and the reluctance to search for the right stuff. The same set of individuals who would use DEXRON II in a 2015 Lexus RX350. Or 20W-50 engine oil grade in a 2011 BMW 335i.

A no-brainer.

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Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by Nobody: 9:04am On Apr 17, 2015
I dont know whats your problem with the 20w 50, m not recommending it, Total quarts is 5w40, and its recommended for the vw brand the fellow posted, its synthethic.

People are entitled to their own opinions, you dont go out to attack someone just becos he has a different view from yours, In this part of Africa synthetics are hard to come by, you have to import, so theres no need to be angry over the issue, the wording of your response was unnecessary \i have been the 20w50 for the past 2 years on my car and it works just fine.

Geez mecahnics have always existed before you .
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by Nobody: 12:27pm On Apr 17, 2015
kaeforum:
I dont know whats your problem with the 20w 50, m not recommending it, Total quarts is 5w40, and its recommended for the vw brand the fellow posted, its synthethic.

People are entitled to their own opinions, you dont go out to attack someone just becos he has a different view from yours, In this part of Africa synthetics are hard to come by, you have to import, so theres no need to be angry over the issue, the wording of your response was unnecessary \i have been the 20w50 for the past 2 years on my car and it works just fine.

Geez mecahnics have always existed before you .

I'm not getting angry at all, far from it. Please tell me where I attacked you? My comprehension of English must be really poor, because I can't see it.

Let me make it simpler - would you run 20W-50 in a 2015 Volkswagen Touareg, a 2013 BMW 335i? Or a 2014 Nissan GTR?

It's not a trick question, I'm just curious.

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Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by Marpol: 12:57pm On Apr 17, 2015
kaeforum:
I dont know whats your problem with the 20w 50, m not recommending it, Total quarts is 5w40, and its recommended for the vw brand the fellow posted, its synthethic.

People are entitled to their own opinions, you dont go out to attack someone just becos he has a different view from yours, In this part of Africa synthetics are hard to come by, you have to import, so theres no need to be angry over the issue, the wording of your response was unnecessary \i have been the 20w50 for the past 2 years on my car and it works just fine.

Geez mecahnics have always existed before you .

Synthetics are no longer hard to come by. Go to Konga and Jumia you will see 5w20 and 5w30 oil in large quantities. The key is searching and to do that you must love your car. Most Naija peeps are too lazy when it comes to getting the best for their cars.
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by ivoryhouse(m): 2:21pm On Apr 17, 2015
kaeforum:
I dont know whats your problem with the 20w 50, m not recommending it, Total quarts is 5w40, and its recommended for the vw brand the fellow posted, its synthethic.

People are entitled to their own opinions, you dont go out to attack someone just becos he has a different view from yours, In this part of Africa synthetics are hard to come by, you have to import, so theres no need to be angry over the issue, the wording of your response was unnecessary \i have been the 20w50 for the past 2 years on my car and it works just fine.

Geez mecahnics have always existed before you .
Your words are antagonistic brother, this is a really interesting discussion and we can speak with getting personal.
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by disloman(m): 5:31pm On Apr 17, 2015
Marpol:


Synthetics are no longer hard to come by. Go to Konga and Jumia you will see 5w20 and 5w30 oil in large quantities. The key is searching and to do that you must love your car. Most Naija peeps are too lazy when it comes to getting the best for their cars.
Not only online,we av them abundant in shops.
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by Nobody: 8:27am On Apr 20, 2015
I hear u, I will do that. I do hope that the originator of the thread is now better informed on what to do , peace to u all.
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by kc007(m): 7:31am On May 13, 2015
9icetoo:
Do you notice oil stains where you park the car overnight? Check your exhaust and see if you can touch oily soot. Or have someone else drive the car like you would normally, while you follow behind in another car. Look for light blue smoke. Some cars smoke lightly under heavy acceleration and the owners don't even know cos it can't be seen from the rear view mirror. Try these and you will figure out where it's losing oil from.
I closely observed it from behind as you suggestted, I understood white smoke comes out from the exhaust tail on start up in the morning, or when u drive & park for say three(3) hours & start again after cooling.
Mechanic thinks there's oil leak into the engine from the valve seal.
What is your take, how do you think the engine will fair if it is opened to change the seal?
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by abatically(m): 10:23am On May 13, 2015
Somebody said he's been running 20w50 for 2 years and I laugh. What about the oyinbo man that has been using that car for 15 years before it was imported? Using wrong oil will not have immediate effect in ur engine, but will surely lower its life span. If that white man was running 20w50 I'm sure the car wouldn't have survived the 15 years
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by 9icetoo(m): 10:29am On May 13, 2015
kc007:

I closely observed it from behind as you suggestted, I understood white smoke comes out from the exhaust tail on start up in the morning, or when u drive & park for say three(3) hours & start again after cooling.
Mechanic thinks there's oil leak into the engine from the valve seal.
What is your take, how do you think the engine will fair if it is opened to change the seal?

If there is a leak through the valve seals, you will see blue smoke when when u start the car and sometimes while driving. If you don't see blue smoke, then your valve seals are okay.
Re: Audi A4 Engine Oil Shortage by kc007(m): 2:16pm On May 14, 2015
9icetoo:


If there is a leak through the valve seals, you will see blue smoke when when u start the car and sometimes while driving. If you don't see blue smoke, then your valve seals are okay.
I will observe again. Maybe having difficulty differentiating blue from white smoke. Thanks.

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